Keep pitchers; trade Beane
Enough "Moneyball." It's time the A's stop being a major league training grounds for pitchers. Spend some money and keep them. They keep trying to save money by bringing up minor leaguers and paying them minimum salaries, or signing "Over the Hill" position players at low salaries, all for the sake of "Moneyball."
It's no wonder they can't attract fans. Quit getting ride of the quality pitchers and spend some money to sign a couple of infielders, such as good first and third basemen, and they might start winning again, and then the fans will return.
A good way to start this entire process, trade someone, trade Beane!
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I predict you will get your ass handed to you for this post. Good luck!
by oaktownmario on Jul 24, 2008 11:58 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah, well...
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"The Athletics at Fremont" is pretty bad
by ArakSOT on Jul 24, 2008 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it took them 13 minutes to write this FanPost????
There's no crying in baseball!
by gigglingone on Jul 24, 2008 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just over 8 WPM. Amazing!
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by Flashfire on Jul 24, 2008 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're the one
who insists on punctuation and well thought out prose!
"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer
by alox on Jul 24, 2008 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was just telling someone the other day
“You know, I would go to more games if we would just trade for some good first and third basemen because I am a fair weather fan.”
"the A's need more quality preembreetive pitching" ~monkeyball
by OptimistPrime on Jul 24, 2008 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, as with any trade, it would depend on the return
I’d definitely trade him for a good bat, but that would probably be tough to pull off.
The A's colors are green and gold.
by mikeA on Jul 24, 2008 12:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Seriously?
I wouldn’t…
There is the argument that the A’s have Forst as their top AAA GM prospect to take over, but what if he plays Crosby to Beane’s Tejada?
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Jul 24, 2008 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
are you implying that Beane's actually 48?
Who needs competence as long as everyone smiles? @('.')@
by monkeyball on Jul 24, 2008 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quit getting ride of the quality pitchers
There are rides? On pitchers??! Wow, I’ll show up for that!
There's no crying in baseball!
by gigglingone on Jul 24, 2008 12:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Easy now
Let’s keep this site “PG” rated.
by Tyler Bleszinski on Jul 24, 2008 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking piggy back rides
Get your mind out of the gutter!
There's no crying in baseball!
by gigglingone on Jul 24, 2008 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I bet Cupcakes gave great piggyback rides
http://bocropleasestopswingingatbadpitches.blogspot.com/
by thejd44 on Jul 24, 2008 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too bad Giambi's gone
He could offer up mustache rides!
The monster at the end of this blog.
by grover on Jul 24, 2008 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trade Beane!
How long’s it been since we were in the ALCS? Almost 2 years? That’s unacceptable!
by Eggman on Jul 24, 2008 12:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I really wish we'd kept Zito and Mulder
Who needs competence as long as everyone smiles? @('.')@
by monkeyball on Jul 24, 2008 12:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
And Billy Taylor
I am Ray Fosse's infatuations with Clay Wood and high-definition television.
by franks a lot on Jul 24, 2008 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zito and Mulder???
I was thinking Gil Heredia and Kevin Appier. Now those were some solid pitchers!
by oaktownmario on Jul 24, 2008 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I miss Todd Van Poppel and Ariel Prieto and Doug Johns and Kirk Dressendorfer and and and...
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by Flashfire on Jul 24, 2008 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
John Halalalalalalalalalamamamamamma
http://bocropleasestopswingingatbadpitches.blogspot.com/
by thejd44 on Jul 24, 2008 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah - JIMMY HAYNES!
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by Flashfire on Jul 24, 2008 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, they could be earning, like $25M/y-$30M/y each by now!
Who needs competence as long as everyone smiles? @('.')@
by monkeyball on Jul 24, 2008 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zito
Thanks suckers!
Wait, what does this fine print say?
“Past results do not guarantee future performance.”
FUCK
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
by marcello on Jul 25, 2008 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And this would be what I mean about brand new people making accounts to post stupid crap.
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by Flashfire on Jul 24, 2008 12:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
this is bullshit
why can’t we put a moratorium on posting? how about new members can’t make a fanpost for 30 days or something?
"It's not my fault your team's so shitty." -Steve Friend, head coach, Chabot College, to Laney College's head coach, who asked why we scored so many runs after we beat Laney 30-3 in 2006
by flipgatey3 on Jul 24, 2008 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about never? Is never good for you?
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by Flashfire on Jul 24, 2008 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i can't tell if that's how you thought it
but i wasn’t directing that at you at all. just seemed like you were kinda saying the same thing.
"It's not my fault your team's so shitty." -Steve Friend, head coach, Chabot College, to Laney College's head coach, who asked why we scored so many runs after we beat Laney 30-3 in 2006
by flipgatey3 on Jul 24, 2008 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just borrowing a line.
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by Flashfire on Jul 24, 2008 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
damn it
i messed it up
"It's not my fault your team's so shitty." -Steve Friend, head coach, Chabot College, to Laney College's head coach, who asked why we scored so many runs after we beat Laney 30-3 in 2006
by flipgatey3 on Jul 24, 2008 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It took me 4 years to make my first diary.
Mark Ellis: sent down from Heaven to rob Evil of hits and hand out rainbows
by Jennifer on Jul 24, 2008 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn. You really are a stickler
for correct spelling and grammar, aren’t you?
"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer
by alox on Jul 24, 2008 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now I know what you guys are talking about! Crazy stuff man!
All About The Exclamation Points!!!
by Goldzone on Jul 25, 2008 12:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Billy...
...sets the budget.
by gdubb925 on Jul 24, 2008 12:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm really disappointed
that the suggestion is to trade Beane, and he talks about Moneyball, yet he never mentions that Billy wrote the dang book. Or that the hitter we should try to get shouldn’t care about getting on base-after all that is what Moneyball (written by Billy) is all about .
"Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it?"-Steve McCatty
by 5Aces on Jul 24, 2008 12:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
sarcasm detector switched on
beep…beep…beep, beep…(points toward comment)...beepbeepbeepbeeeeeeeeeeep
by A'sfaninNC on Jul 24, 2008 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Strikes my theory that
the poster is actually (F) Joe Morgan
by As Fan in the Bronx on Jul 24, 2008 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Spend money he says. Where is all this money that the A's just have big stacks of
everywhere kept. Is the place safe, I would be happy to be the appointed money watcher for the A’s if that job is open.
by A'sfaninNC on Jul 24, 2008 12:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
You get the feeling that many people think that the A’s have a huge war chest to play with. They made a whopping $15 million last year after revenue sharing subsidies. They also are building a $500 million ballpark and into the teeth of a sagging economy with rocketing construction costs (the NY football Giants went way over budget due to the worldwide commodity increase). This Fremont park may or may not get off the ground. Until the A’s get some clarity I doubt Beane will have an expanding budget.
Beane has 10 years of goodwill built in. I think that he will get the A’s back in contention for a world title by 2011.
by DKNJ on Jul 24, 2008 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What the heck?
See, the problem with diaries like this one is that they don’t understand Moneyball! Billy Beane is driving all sorts of fans crazy, so his value is too low to fetch a good return! Also, he’d hold out for way too much in return! It’s just not going to happen. Get a grip, people.
I generally bemoan the profusion of Mr Sabermetric Sporks in the Scrabble ranks who don't know the meaning or usage of 50% of the words they use. -monkeyball
by JediLeroy on Jul 24, 2008 12:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe we could trade Beane
for Joe Morgan. Then we would have fodder for the next 10 seasons. Do It.
"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer
by alox on Jul 24, 2008 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And there'd already be a website devoted to getting rid of Morgan!
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by Flashfire on Jul 24, 2008 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually this post is brilliant -
had Billy traded himself for Youkilis, like he almost did, we would have that right-handed hitter we want so badly.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 24, 2008 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the juggernaut from the east
would be an even larger Goliath. Not so sure that would be in our collective best interests!
"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer
by alox on Jul 24, 2008 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
one goddamn right handed hitter is not going to send us to the world series. why are people obsessed
with getting one hitter??
by emar24 on Jul 24, 2008 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because it seems like so much more than zero?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 24, 2008 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Billy+a large payroll= world domination
"the A's need more quality preembreetive pitching" ~monkeyball
by OptimistPrime on Jul 24, 2008 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
I lifted the 24-hour waiting period on new accounts when I initially moved over to the new platform because I thought it would encourage new users to join the fray. I’m wondering, judging from the recent spat of these kinds of FanPosts, if I should go back to the old way.
by Tyler Bleszinski on Jul 24, 2008 12:41 PM PDT reply actions 9 recs
old way
this one isn’t so bad, but some others…especially the WOW ones a while back, GAH! Almost as bad as a 1-5 road trip after two tough losses to the division rivals and ending up double digits
Let's have our Piazza and eat the Cust too - SPWC
by closetasfan on Jul 24, 2008 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe we don't get those if there is a waiting period?
by Tyler Bleszinski on Jul 24, 2008 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It'll probably cut back on some of this stuff. If people have to wait a day then at least you know they're determined to be heard.
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by Flashfire on Jul 24, 2008 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ithink it'll cut back if you make the waiting period 30 minutes...
“WHAT 30 Minutes!!?? But I want to illogically rant now! I’ll just post it on my myspace! Final exclamation point!!”
by GeorgiaBoy on Jul 24, 2008 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
30 minutes would probably work...
I personally vote for 30 days, but would be happy to settle for 30 minutes.
"All managers are losers, they are the most expendable pieces of furniture on the face of the Earth."- Ted Williams
by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 25, 2008 12:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But Blez, you'd of missed out on my brilliance! Ha!
All About The Exclamation Points!!!
by Goldzone on Jul 25, 2008 12:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please go back to the old way
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by Flashfire on Jul 24, 2008 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it couldn't hurt
it really has gotten out of control
"The Athletics at Fremont" is pretty bad
by ArakSOT on Jul 24, 2008 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
Please, yes.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Jul 24, 2008 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i like the waiting period
not only would it cut down on a lot of these FanPosts, but also some of the game thread comments…..ugh….
There's no crying in baseball!
by gigglingone on Jul 24, 2008 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you can't wait a day to make your first comment or fanpost,
knowing that you’ll never have to wait again to make either, then maybe AN isn’t right for you.
Or more to the point, maybe you’re not right for AN.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 24, 2008 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
+10000
There's no crying in baseball!
by gigglingone on Jul 24, 2008 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ask Not What AN can do for You...
Enjoy the game
by DCinWC on Jul 24, 2008 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey gigglingone, thanks and all but
I if you don’t mind I actually need +15000 to make bail. Yes, the judge reads AN.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 24, 2008 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes, pls
Who needs competence as long as everyone smiles? @('.')@
by monkeyball on Jul 24, 2008 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of AN...
I think AN is broken. It’s not showing new comments for side bar threads while I’m on the front page.
Example: This thread had 0 New Comments (whatever it says), but I when I clicked on it to read the diary, it actually had 3 new comments.
Mark Ellis: sent down from Heaven to rob Evil of hits and hand out rainbows
by Jennifer on Jul 24, 2008 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the other thing is
half of these post are probably repeat guys who want to post the same thing over and over without revealing their prior stupidities. I would think that a waiting period would help get rid of those guys
Let's have our Piazza and eat the Cust too - SPWC
by closetasfan on Jul 24, 2008 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm OK with it.
Not that what I have to say means too much, but it looks like I’m with most people in saying that it seems reasonable. I did think it was a little odd that after being registered with AN for quite a while, I needed to wait 24 hours to post to the John Sickels SBNation site, but I suppose I could see the need for it.
by rageon on Jul 24, 2008 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My suggestion
No user can make a FanPost until they have made 50 comments (plus 24 hours). FanShots can happen immediately.
by nevermoor on Jul 24, 2008 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I changed it so new accounts have to wait at least a day before posting
by Tyler Bleszinski on Jul 24, 2008 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
THANK YOU
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by Flashfire on Jul 24, 2008 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
changing from the Emil Brown option to the Jack Cust option
Thank you!
Who needs competence as long as everyone smiles? @('.')@
by monkeyball on Jul 24, 2008 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait? Now comments can only have one of three outcomes?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 24, 2008 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
YAY!!!
There's no crying in baseball!
by gigglingone on Jul 24, 2008 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
thank goodness
thanks blez
"It's not my fault your team's so shitty." -Steve Friend, head coach, Chabot College, to Laney College's head coach, who asked why we scored so many runs after we beat Laney 30-3 in 2006
by flipgatey3 on Jul 24, 2008 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
God Blez you
"the A's need more quality preembreetive pitching" ~monkeyball
by OptimistPrime on Jul 24, 2008 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome. Thank you!
"God doesn't pay attention to your cute little hypotheticals." -- Jeff from LL
by oblique on Jul 25, 2008 12:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
One thing I wonder about
How many people see (or at least think, believe, understand, etc.) that given the way the Coliseum plays, Beane has intentionally focused his priorities on having a strong pitching base to take advantage of the ballpark?
It appears some people are hoping for an awesome offense that’s just going to hit their way to wins left and right. That’s not realistic at this point. Now, a decent, COMPETENT offense? That’s another thing entirely and definitely something I think they’re trying to build toward.
But, having the pitching and defense more solidified first is important to start out with. In a ballpark like this, I don’t see it working if you try to build around hitting first. When you do it with pitching, those guys will keep you in the game more often than not as you work to improve the offense.
Otherwise, you just have a team build like Texas playing in a ballpark that doesn’t support that kind of roster.
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by Flashfire on Jul 24, 2008 12:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
built, not build
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by Flashfire on Jul 24, 2008 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If only there were a 24-hour waiting period before each new comment,
you would have caught that error in time to fix it.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 24, 2008 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great "use" of apostrophes
If you “put” your ass on your head it “becomes” an asshat.
"the A's need more quality preembreetive pitching" ~monkeyball
by OptimistPrime on Jul 24, 2008 1:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yea lets fire him
SO what if we have been in contention ever year since hes joined the team.
The point is he didnt pay for the star players who have left oakland and have had great careers like zito, mulder, tejada, giambi
by gillyball on Jul 24, 2008 1:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If by "recommended" you mean...
...”print this post out to line the bottom of a birdcage with,” I’m totally with you. All the way, baby!
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by Flashfire on Jul 24, 2008 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
AN is not a social network
boo hoo, bad fanposts. move on, people.
"We're Menudo," -BB
by eshock on Jul 24, 2008 3:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
There's ice cream in the back
Prince: This bores me. Is anyone up for a game of basketball?
by baseb3383 on Jul 24, 2008 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just watch out for the guy driving the van with "Free Candy" spray-painted on the sides.
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by Flashfire on Jul 24, 2008 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Liquor in the Front, Poker in the Rear
Here’s hoping that’s not a CGV since any kids won’t get it.
by nevermoor on Jul 24, 2008 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's not "bad fanposts"
it’s trolls making accounts, making one or two fanposts that are just made to stir shit, then not posting again. and we could really do without that.
"It's not my fault your team's so shitty." -Steve Friend, head coach, Chabot College, to Laney College's head coach, who asked why we scored so many runs after we beat Laney 30-3 in 2006
by flipgatey3 on Jul 24, 2008 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, I want to thank you, yubajim, for helping bring back the 24-hour waiting period.
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by Flashfire on Jul 24, 2008 7:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Dude, Moneyball sucks!!!!
Bean thinks hes a geenus, but he’s hella dumb!!!
I refuse to believe this dude wrote this sincerely. I think it’s one guy, writing a bunch of these asinine diaries under different names, then sitting back and laughing as th diehards go apeshit.
If that’s the case…dude’s a geenus.
I'll try not to swear.
by Tony on Jul 24, 2008 7:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
wait. yubajim is bill walsh reincarnated?
by greendatitiz on Jul 24, 2008 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Given how many variants he has, I'd say he's more of a speecies
Who needs competence as long as everyone smiles? @('.')@
by monkeyball on Jul 25, 2008 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
dammit, banana-guy
I’m sure this half-empty bottle of bourbon at my elbow is the only thing that got me to LOL at that…
by Faust on Jul 25, 2008 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
An Open Letter to Mr. William Beane
Half of me was reluctant to write this letter out of concern that Mr. William Beane may be one of those people who say naive things for the sole purpose of gaining attention. But given William’s track record, I have concluded that only a fool can believe that all it takes to solve our social woes are shotgun marriages, heavy-handed divorce laws, and a return to some mythical 1950s Shangri-la, so I’ve decided to proceed. Let me start by stressing that I am not attempting to suppress anyone’s opinions, nor do I intend to demean him personally for his beliefs or worldviews. But I do think that I must break the spell of great expectations that now binds flighty publishers of hate literature to William.
I’ll talk about that another time. I have other, more important, things to discuss now. For starters, far too many people tolerate William’s generalizations as long as they’re presented in small, seemingly harmless doses. What these people fail to realize, however, is that if it were true, as William claims, that the media should "create" news rather than report it, then I wouldn’t be saying that William doesn’t want me to push a consistent vision that responds to most people’s growing fears about the worst sorts of rotten perjurers I’ve ever seen. Well, I’ve never been a very obedient dog so I intend not only to do exactly that but also to refute William’s arguments line by line and claim by claim.
William is too unprofessional to read the writing on the wall. This writing warns that I didn’t want to talk about this. I really didn’t. But his maudlin preoccupation with corporatism, usually sicklied over with such nonsense words as "methylenedioxymethamphetamine", would make sense if a person’s honor were determined strictly by his or her ability to contaminate clear thinking with William’s ungrateful artifices. As that’s not the case, we can conclude only that his odious squibs often resemble an inverted fairy tale in that the triumph of innocence comes at the start and the ugly sisters of sesquipedalianism and nativism enter on stage in triumph for the final curtain. At any rate, William, with his craftiness and froward tracts, will entirely control our country’s exuberant riches in the near future. William will then use those riches to persuade many of his opponents to enter into a one-way "dialogue" with him. The moral of this story is that if I said that his inveracities epitomize wholesome family entertainment, I’d be a liar. But I’d be being completely honest if I said that William thinks it would be a great idea to pamper nugatory common criminals. Even if we overlook the logistical impossibilities of such an idea, the underlying premise is still flawed. I could be wrong about any or all of this, but at the moment, the above fits what I know of history, people, and current conditions. If anyone sees anything wrong or has some new facts or theories on this, I’d love to hear about them.
Sincerely,
A Disgruntled A’s Fan
"You know, a long time ago being crazy meant something. Nowadays everybody's crazy."
-Charles Manson
by kaweahkaweah on Jul 25, 2008 3:28 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I don't know if it's art, but I know I like it! I think.
"If you lived in the now, you'd be home by now."
by McFood on Jul 29, 2008 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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