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There comes a point when we have to realize that pitching can only keep you from losing games, not matter how great your pitching is, unless if they are so impressive that the official scorer can subtract runs from the other team based on your pitcher’s performance (I kid). If your offense don’t score any runs, then your great pitching only serves one purpose, prolonging the inevitable outcome, a loss.

--asfansince1989

The only good thing I can say about the game today is that we didn’t lose by one run. The Rays put four on the board, an insurmountable lead against Kazmir for even the most optimistic of A’s fans. The starting pitching was average at best, as Dana Eveland’s smoke and mirrors routine continued to break down, involving a lot of pitches, only a handful of them really good. The speedy Tampa Bay ran wild on him, and he allowed two towering homeruns and two other assorted runs through his five innings. Andrew Brown came in and got people out to keep the deficit at 40-0 4-0, and Casilla looked like the worst pitcher ever loading the bases, and then the best pitcher ever by using the K to prevent further runs. But 1-0 or 10-0; did it ever matter? The game was painful, boring, slow, tedious, frustrating, and predictable, and I blame the offense.

The A’s mounted the only threat of the game against Kazmir in the first inning, with two on and one out. After Brown flied out, Ellis got picked off to save Kazmir another K in the inning. The good news is that the A’s are no longer affected by the broken bat problem plaguing the rest of the league; they don’t ever get the bat on the ball, and they strikeout almost every other out. It’s bad--really bad--when the highlight of the game for the A’s was getting two runners on in the same inning. The A’s lone two hits were singles by Cust and Sweeney, and it’s impossible to determine how well Kazmir pitched; I’m sure I could throw a quality start against the A’s right now. They are winless on this road trip, and have lost six in a row.

Granted, Kazmir is an elite pitcher, but the A’s made it look easy for him tonight. They are a terrible offensive team who doesn’t even have good at-bats anymore, and quite frankly, they’re as tough to watch right now as I can remember.

Dallas Braden takes another turn on the mound tomorrow night. I hope he’s not expecting run support.

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This has to be the most despondent BBG I've ever read.

When you have a chance to get a guy like Sean Gallagher, you take it!

by WaddellCanseco on Jul 21, 2008 7:07 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Did you watch the game?

Embarrasing and disgusting. I just told it like it was. It felt like it was 40-0 from the fourth on.

So, bring on Bonds! Or, not... then, bring back Langerhans!! -One won lost one

by baseballgirl on Jul 21, 2008 7:10 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That wasn't snarky ;-)

I just had nothing, absolutely NOTHING happy to say about the game. It was easily among the most awful games I’ve ever watched.

So, bring on Bonds! Or, not... then, bring back Langerhans!! -One won lost one

by baseballgirl on Jul 21, 2008 7:11 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I didn't say you aren't justified

It’s a comment on how bad the team must have been to be to make you this discouraged

When you have a chance to get a guy like Sean Gallagher, you take it!

by WaddellCanseco on Jul 21, 2008 7:13 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hate,

to get shut out by anybody.

Stomper is a badass!

by lynnzgal on Jul 21, 2008 7:26 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We always appreciate the comments and threads made by Baseballgirl......

Thanks for hanging in there!!!!

"Mount it? I already did. Oh! You meant on the wall?!!

by rickey939 on Jul 21, 2008 10:56 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oy Vey

"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com

by Syphon on Jul 21, 2008 7:10 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was there for last Sunday's last inning loss

Compound the A’s losing, Duke pitching lights out only to have Street blow it, the Angels winning, a push farther back in the standings (which it looks like we will never recover from), the Angels NOT pitching Saunders, and F-Raud doing his shazam pose after K-ing Zook—then yeah, this was the toughest.

Today was just that bad sugary frosting on the s—t cake.

Green Hulk Fists

by oaklandSMASH on Jul 21, 2008 7:11 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Anyone watching the Cubs-DBacks game right now?

Harden just laid down a perfect sacrifice bunt, and the first thing I thought was “can he come teach us how to do that?”

I missed the middle couple innings of the A’s-Rays, but apparently, that was a good thing….

There's no crying in baseball!

by gigglingone on Jul 21, 2008 7:14 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

terrible

I guess a highlight for me tonight was the lack of Donnie Murphy in the lineup, although they all seem pretty interchangable these days anyway.

You have to wonder how Crosby feels looking up at the 3/4/5 hitters tonight – one, a LH rookie starting against on the the premier LH pitchers in the game, 4 – a burned out hulk who seems headed straight back to the Mexican League, and 5 – another LH bat who strikes out constantly.

And they’re all batting above Crosby! He’s like a taller Donnie Murphy without the power.

by coffee roaster on Jul 21, 2008 7:14 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I much prefer losing a well played hard fought game than

a boring crappy game. I prefer pain to dying of boredom.

When you have a chance to get a guy like Sean Gallagher, you take it!

by WaddellCanseco on Jul 21, 2008 7:14 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think these players are not trying that hard....

I mean, these trades have to be deflating to the players when you get no players back that can contribute to win immediately. It sends a message to the players that management thinks the team is crap and to hell with the season. Guys are rolling over.
Additionally, these guys in the course of two weeks have become massive strike out machines. It just doesn’t add up. Billy ought to be stressing about now. Of course, maybe these players just don’t have much talent. Anyone who thought that Crosby needed just to be healthy to be good are sorely mistaken.
On even more depressing note, check out the new pitcher Outman’s line at midland tonight.

by pedoman on Jul 21, 2008 7:16 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Outman? More like Gascanman!

Wasn’t that one of the characters in The Stand?

by Swooney's Left Foot on Jul 21, 2008 7:19 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Balfour was good. Outman was bad.

Seems wrong.

When you have a chance to get a guy like Sean Gallagher, you take it!

by WaddellCanseco on Jul 21, 2008 7:27 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Another Balfour Declaration?

Oy Vey.

"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on Jul 21, 2008 8:08 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sunday's loss was more painful,

but I’ll take that over tonight’s game. I just feel numb after watching such futility.

by rebus on Jul 21, 2008 7:17 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Embarrassing

Was Black Snake Moan a comedy or a drama?

by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 21, 2008 7:18 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

x1000000

So, bring on Bonds! Or, not... then, bring back Langerhans!! -One won lost one

by baseballgirl on Jul 21, 2008 7:24 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What I'm hoping is.

That at some point it our boys will realize it can’t get any worse and they will all accept that this is the way it is. Then they’ll put this all behind them and play some ball. These guys are supposed to be pros. Here’s hoping they have that within them.

Stomper is a badass!

by lynnzgal on Jul 21, 2008 7:21 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Here's how the pre game went here at AN.

Blez: baseballgirl, will you be a doll and do the game thread on Monday?
baseballgirl: Why sure, Blez! That sounds fun! The A’s always put up a good fight and give me something to write about.
Blez: Great!

fast-forward to today

(bangs head against desk)

So, bring on Bonds! Or, not... then, bring back Langerhans!! -One won lost one

by baseballgirl on Jul 21, 2008 7:26 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Awww!

Hands Baseballgirl some Exedrin.

Stomper is a badass!

by lynnzgal on Jul 21, 2008 7:28 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Awww!

Hands baseballgirl some Excedrin and hands lynzzgal a “c”

There's no crying in baseball!

by gigglingone on Jul 21, 2008 7:34 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Here's how the pre-game convo went with my son

I: Who are we playing?
L: Devil Rays
I: Should be an easy win
L: What? They’re a good team this year!
I: Uh . . . ok.

So see? Oh . . . sorry.

Stomper is a badass!

by lynnzgal on Jul 21, 2008 7:35 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I appreciate everything you do

Baseballgirl, no doubt. You are one of the reasons I keep coming back.

Stomper is a badass!

by lynnzgal on Jul 21, 2008 7:43 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We have a son?

And he can talk? And he knows Devil Ray history?!

Man, nobody tells me anything…

I think we should throw (Barton) head first, into a pool with no water, screaming, "You like THAT? Huh, kid, do you like THAT?" Maybe that’s just the Marine in me, though. -Nico
For the record, I’ve never had a Marine in me. -Swooney's Left Foot

by Leopold Bloom on Jul 21, 2008 10:29 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Give her some of pam's heroin.

Mark Ellis: sent down from Heaven to rob Evil of hits and hand out rainbows

by Jennifer on Jul 21, 2008 7:48 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and cust, K's looking to end the game

I think somebody needs a benching.
Play Rajai over Cust. Or PR for Cust his first walk.

by MobiusKlein on Jul 21, 2008 7:26 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cust has earned his Ks

The rest of the offense has not.

by rebus on Jul 21, 2008 7:27 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He did get a hit.

I’d bench all those who didn’t.

When you have a chance to get a guy like Sean Gallagher, you take it!

by WaddellCanseco on Jul 21, 2008 7:28 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I know the players are bad

but I don’t see any blame on Van Burkleo. Does he even talk to these guys about hitting? It can’t be hard to not strikeout every other at bat, can it? Maybe these guys are really this bad at hitting, but to me Van Burkleo is just cashing checks at this point without doing a thing to earn them.

Might as well Jump! - Van Halen

by sprtsnwyn on Jul 21, 2008 7:27 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'd make Young the hitting coach.

I like the cut of his jib

When you have a chance to get a guy like Sean Gallagher, you take it!

by WaddellCanseco on Jul 21, 2008 7:29 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

[Fosse/] Van Boogaloo is a fantastic hitting coach

And DFA is an RBI machine, and Kendall is the greatest player ever and the next time I ever say anything remotely critical of the A’s will be the first time. [/Fosse]

by Swooney's Left Foot on Jul 21, 2008 7:31 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Don't forget how great everything looks in HD

You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all. ~Earl Weaver

by UncleLeo on Jul 21, 2008 8:16 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The only thing that looks better

is a Jason Kendall HR! He’s the bestest ever!

by Swooney's Left Foot on Jul 21, 2008 8:18 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes

Last year’s was him. The year before we went to the ALCS. I know the talent was better, but still.

Might as well Jump! - Van Halen

by sprtsnwyn on Jul 21, 2008 7:33 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

just gonna bend the brim of my cap a bit more

and come back tomorrow to watch our guys with one more game experience under their belt.

by oakinboston on Jul 21, 2008 7:33 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You watch TV with a cap on?

When you have a chance to get a guy like Sean Gallagher, you take it!

by WaddellCanseco on Jul 21, 2008 7:39 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

doesn't everybody?

Foolsh, the most insane regular poster on AN since oaktoon left - salb

by FoolshGame22 on Jul 21, 2008 9:59 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mine's made of foil

You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all. ~Earl Weaver

by UncleLeo on Jul 21, 2008 10:23 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

D.

All of the above.

It's Rhodes Scholar Night at the Coliseum tonight.

by Scottbass on Jul 21, 2008 7:34 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

More K's tonite than hits plus walks...

that’s not a good sign. I guess this is the beginning of the end of this season.

by Oaktownflav on Jul 21, 2008 7:34 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

YES

Seems impossible but come on, we flat out just have no hitters in this lineup. I have been patient but this just flat out sucks. Just wait until Duke goes, can we say we are the AL equivalent of the Pittsburgh Pirates? I hate to be so down and I know the plan is to re-build but when we are used to success this is just hard to sit through.

by HRH on Jul 21, 2008 7:45 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Suggestions, then?

Who do you realistically trade for all those people?

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by Flashfire on Jul 21, 2008 7:48 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why not deal away some prospects

Go get a Matt Holliday or Jason Bay.

Try to sign Mark Texiera. I know this isn’t the A’s way, but maybe we need to go this route.
Sorry, frustration has gotten the best of me tonight.

by HRH on Jul 21, 2008 7:51 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But I have a question

Do you enjoy the way our offense is playing?

by HRH on Jul 21, 2008 7:52 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We got to get some pop in this lineup

If we wont trade anyone, then in the offseason sign one, getting rid of blanton and harden and even street or embree we will have plenty of money

by buckfan6 on Jul 21, 2008 7:58 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bay or Dunn

i would be happy with Nady. We have plenty of pitching in the minors, or even throw street and crosby or even ellis int he package

by buckfan6 on Jul 21, 2008 8:02 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You know, you are right

We should continue to sit and enjoy mediocrity for a few more years until Cahill, Simmons, Rodriguez, Cunningham and co. are ready.

by HRH on Jul 21, 2008 8:02 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm just asking you guys to present a realistic idea

It’s easy to say “leave it up to Beane because that’s his job” but when people want him to make a move it helps to tell us what you’d try to do. Then we can actually talk about it.

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by Flashfire on Jul 21, 2008 8:05 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The reason Flashfire keeps asking "who?"

is that as soon as it becomes “Fine, you can have (Bay or whoever) for Cahill and B. Anderson” you’re going to say “Oh no, we can’t do that!” Which means you’re really saying, “We just want (Bay or whoever).” It doesn’t work that way.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 21, 2008 8:09 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Im willing to give up cahill or Anderson if we can get a big bat

Nico you have all the pitching you want and you still have to score runs

by buckfan6 on Jul 21, 2008 8:10 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm sure not unless that big bat is going to be here for multiple years

And even then, there are other prospects this team can trade first instead of Cahill or Anderson.

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by Flashfire on Jul 21, 2008 8:11 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I didn't say Cahill or Anderson,

I said Cahill AND Anderson. The guys who probably, by the way, will be the team’s #1 and #2 starters in 2011-2014, if not 2010.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 21, 2008 8:12 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And if History is an indication of the future

they will be traded for Prospects in 2015.

"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com

by Syphon on Jul 21, 2008 8:12 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Doubt it.

"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com

by Syphon on Jul 21, 2008 8:15 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There are patterns that exist from playing in the Coliseum.

I don’t believe they will be the same in a new ballpark.

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by Flashfire on Jul 21, 2008 8:16 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I sure hope so.

but im not optimistic.

"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com

by Syphon on Jul 21, 2008 8:16 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't think that's the plan

Beane has been pretty consistent in saying the plan is to get good, for a long time, with the core group he is assembling.

My hunch is that he has targeted C. Gonzalez, Cahill and Anderson (assuming they work out as well as planned), and a couple others – maybe Ryan Sweeney and Suzuki, maybe Barton if he becomes as good as once hoped – as the core that will be extended beyond their 6 years.

Some players will still be “fungible,” like maybe Casilla, Smith – guys who are good but replaceable – but not the “get you to the World Series guys”.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 21, 2008 8:15 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He has signed one player to a long term deal

in the past 10 years. Ok maybe you can count Dye as well. But its still not enough.

"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com

by Syphon on Jul 21, 2008 8:17 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Would Kotsay qualify?

Chavez, Dye, Kotsay… yeah, not much.

Right now, do they have any position players that warrant a long-term contract?

You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all. ~Earl Weaver

by UncleLeo on Jul 21, 2008 8:40 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

but Nico to win games you got to score runs

Look at the teams with top 5 offenses yea most of them in first place

by buckfan6 on Jul 21, 2008 8:18 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah?

Well whens the last time there was an elimination playoff in the original Coli?

"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on Jul 21, 2008 8:21 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I have become convinced over the

years, that it was more than a day for sure.

alaska A

by ak_A on Jul 21, 2008 10:18 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And you know what? With the pitching the A's have, they don't NEED a top 5 offense

Even one in the middle of the pack would be great.

More than that, all they need is an offense that can score consistently instead of getting 0-1 runs once every four games on average. Those 12-run games they get once in a while sure make that run differential look nice but they are the exception to this team’s norm.

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by Flashfire on Jul 21, 2008 8:20 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So how terrible is it that we cant even

get a middle of the pack offense?

"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com

by Syphon on Jul 21, 2008 8:22 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bad, but I call it a work in progress.

You can’t have it all at once when a team is trying to rebuild.

Remember, these guys weren’t even supposed to be sniffing .500 this year.

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by Flashfire on Jul 21, 2008 8:23 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Billy could have struck gold

Had Thomas stayed healthy (which he could have) and had Chavez come back strong (which was unlikely), this team might have contended in 2008 – not bad for a rebuilding year. I still have hope for 2009 because Beane has plenty of chips and payroll flexibility to go out and add a bat.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 21, 2008 8:25 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thomas could have.

I felt he was running way too much, pushing it way too much when he was out there with us early on…almost like it was too good to be true..and it was.

alaska A

by ak_A on Jul 21, 2008 10:19 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So why aren't they playing guys with upside?

Brooks Conrad, Jack Hannahan, and Donnie Murphy aren’t gonna be part of the future.

by mikev on Jul 21, 2008 8:26 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sadly, I think it's because

they don’t have any. Chavez is hurt, Barton is hurt, Cunningham isn’t ready, and Buck IS playing – at the level he is currently suited to play.

Rushing Doolittle and Carter wouldn’t help. They ARE playing, as are Patterson and Cardenas, just not in Oakland.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 21, 2008 8:30 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Murton?

I mean, there’s just no reason I can see that Emil Brown keeps playing, either.

by mikev on Jul 21, 2008 8:37 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'll give you that one -

I don’t get that either. Maybe that’s the one case of “trying to create trade value” (which I generally don’t believe in) where they’re hoping Emil’s RBI total looks good enough to deal him in the next week (instead of just dump him) and they plan to play Murton every day in August/Sept.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 21, 2008 8:39 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

First of all, there is more correlation

with teams that have good pitching being in first place, and second of all you need to score runs, you need to not give up runs, you need to prevent runs on defense – the bottom line is you need to outscore your opponent and you don’t do that by having a good offense at the expense of good pitching.

More teams compete successfully 3-2 than 8-7. That doesn’t mean offense is unimportant; however it does mean that Beane would be foolish to mortgage his good young pitching to add offense.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 21, 2008 8:21 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"More teams compete successfully 3-2 than 8-7."

Which says a lot about the Rangers, doesn’t it?

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by Flashfire on Jul 21, 2008 8:23 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So buckfan6, would you be willing to trade

Sean Gallagher and Greg Smith if it got you Jason Bay? Let’s say that’s what the Pirates wanted – would you do it?

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 21, 2008 8:31 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sorry, buckfan6, I missed your answer...?

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 21, 2008 8:47 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no

i would do Duke and street, they a top starter and closer

by buckfan6 on Jul 21, 2008 10:59 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And that's the rub - the Pirates wouldn't

So you don’t get your hitter.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 22, 2008 8:47 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There is no way in hell

that they trade Bay for that little.

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by PaulThomas on Jul 21, 2008 8:56 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That wasn't my point at all

It was purely a hypothetical – my point was going to be, “Congratulations – you now have an ok offense behind a rotation of Duke, Eveland, Braden, DiNardo, and Saarloos.” You’re now the Texas Rangers with a worse lineup.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 21, 2008 9:01 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I know

I’m just saying, you’re underestimating how bad that situation would be.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Jul 21, 2008 9:04 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe Duke and Gallagher

would be a more dramatic, and apt, example. That would be a fun rotation.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 21, 2008 9:31 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

fungible players

NIco,

Actually, in baseball, a “fungible” player would be one with a VORP = 0.0, by definition (fungible = easily replaceable by any other of like skill, at least in law). Smith and Casilla have VORP’s >0, last time I checked (prior to recent game “issues”).

by rollierollieOxenfree on Jul 21, 2008 9:27 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm using a Beane term,

whereby he cited closers as “fungible” – they aren’t literally easy to replace without dropoff, but his point was that you could keep finding/creating them without the level of difficulty of finding/creating a cleanup hitter or a front-end starting pitcher.

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by Nico on Jul 21, 2008 9:30 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Carlos maybe, but not the others

I wouldn’t pay FA dollars to starting pitchers or catchers, or players with “old player skills” or someone who reminds me of Kotsay. I’d only do it for a 5-tool player who didn’t have a bad back.

When you have a chance to get a guy like Sean Gallagher, you take it!

by WaddellCanseco on Jul 21, 2008 9:47 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Except it's not "free agent dollars,"

it’s extension/”no arby” money – IIRC, we did that with Chavez, and Swisher beyond their 6th year and with Hudson, Mulder, Harden, Haren, Crosby just through their arby years.

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by Nico on Jul 21, 2008 9:51 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Minor problem there:

The Dodgers offense is terrible too.

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by PaulThomas on Jul 21, 2008 8:57 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They're playing DeWitt over LaRoche anyway, and they need a SS and another reliever

Kemp and a backup (to them) infielder—I think they’d be willing to do that to fill the needs they have.

by mikev on Jul 21, 2008 9:09 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Kemp for those three guys makes no sense

for LA

When you have a chance to get a guy like Sean Gallagher, you take it!

by WaddellCanseco on Jul 21, 2008 9:49 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They've got a ton of outfielders, but anyway...

I’d be OK with doing Street and Crosby for LaRoche and another prospect.

by mikev on Jul 21, 2008 9:52 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So, who cares? We're not Dodgers fans

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by Nico on Jul 21, 2008 9:52 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

After gettign rid of the whole damn team

We should have plenty of money to sing one fo them, last time i checked we have already saved 15 million

by buckfan6 on Jul 21, 2008 8:13 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They've been all hit, no pitch for a while now and their ballpark helps a lot.

Oakland is about as much the opposite of that place as it gets.

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by Flashfire on Jul 21, 2008 7:42 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The last time Texas finished ahead of Oakland

in the standings was 1999.

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by Nico on Jul 21, 2008 8:10 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

spell words right

it’s annoying to read your posts

"It's not my fault your team's so shitty." -Steve Friend, head coach, Chabot College, to Laney College's head coach, who asked why we scored so many runs after we beat Laney 30-3 in 2006

by flipgatey3 on Jul 21, 2008 8:33 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Or angrey

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by Nico on Jul 21, 2008 8:37 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Got the M's and Redsox on FSNW

beautiful warm, evening light in Safeco on HDtv, the colors are so rich in the gloaming.

alaska A

by ak_A on Jul 21, 2008 7:42 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I read that as "NSFW"

"God doesn't pay attention to your cute little hypotheticals." -- Jeff from LL

by oblique on Jul 21, 2008 9:51 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I miss him.

Mark Ellis: sent down from Heaven to rob Evil of hits and hand out rainbows

by Jennifer on Jul 21, 2008 7:47 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just a little high.

Mark Ellis: sent down from Heaven to rob Evil of hits and hand out rainbows

by Jennifer on Jul 21, 2008 7:49 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is there

another way?

Stomper is a badass!

by lynnzgal on Jul 21, 2008 8:10 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Kick a puppy. It helps, strangely enough.

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by Nico on Jul 21, 2008 8:10 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You think THAT'S bad?

Consider how I know that “taking candy from a baby” really IS easy.

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by Nico on Jul 21, 2008 8:17 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Someone better hit something

DAMN quick, or I’m going to be pissed. Pisseder.

Mark Ellis: sent down from Heaven to rob Evil of hits and hand out rainbows

by Jennifer on Jul 21, 2008 7:52 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I like his purdy blue shoes.

Theys his magic shoes.

Mark Ellis: sent down from Heaven to rob Evil of hits and hand out rainbows

by Jennifer on Jul 21, 2008 7:51 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's fast.

Mark Ellis: sent down from Heaven to rob Evil of hits and hand out rainbows

by Jennifer on Jul 21, 2008 7:52 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

19-0 Tigers over Royals

Still batting in the 8th.

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by sprtsnwyn on Jul 21, 2008 8:03 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh my.

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by Nico on Jul 21, 2008 8:10 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Young, green players who show great promise, and even when overpowered by superior opponents, stay in the game to the last pitch = I’ll watch.
Veterans who are a year or two past the season that made us love them, but substitute craftiness for power = I’ll watch.
Guys who look like they’re just going through the motions, even if they are wearing green and gold = I have plenty of other things to do with my time, so no thanks.
At this point, I’m actually ready to see the A’s sign the loathsome Bonds if it would put some spark in the clubhouse.

Oh, and I know I mentioned this once before, but it’s really annoying me lately—whatever amount of money the A’s are saving by using some kind of lower-quality audio delivery in the postgame radio show, it’s a false economy. KenKo sounds like his head is being held under water. Then again, with games like these, having an excuse to turn off the postgame show is a pleasure.

by Englishmajor on Jul 21, 2008 8:10 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sometimes...

...this team just sucks. And right now they’re in major suck mode.

You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all. ~Earl Weaver

by UncleLeo on Jul 21, 2008 8:19 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Awww, Rich.

No hits through 5, and he learned how to bunt. Yay. I wanna watch! (And yes, I’m going to whine about it.)

by whiteshoes40 on Jul 21, 2008 8:21 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm happy for him, and I still think it's better for the A's

that he pitch well than that he flame out. I also predict he’ll miss time beginning around Sept 1st, in which case the trade is a good one for the A’s (and Patterson is 15/36 so far with Sacramento, by the way).

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by Nico on Jul 21, 2008 8:24 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Patterson's numbers are too good for the A's

right now because we need Crsoby and his sorry ass to prove to management that he isn’t a BUST, but we all know on AN that he’s done!

Beating LAA or wherever the fu*k they are, Priceless!

by MMunoz33 on Jul 21, 2008 8:26 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Huston Street, Matt Murton, and Bobby Crosby

for A. LaRoche and A. Eithier

Beating LAA or wherever the fu*k they are, Priceless!

by MMunoz33 on Jul 21, 2008 8:30 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It was a desperate post!

Beating LAA or wherever the fu*k they are, Priceless!

by MMunoz33 on Jul 21, 2008 8:30 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's not a serious trade proposal without Ellis or Duchscherer

or Cahill or Anderson or Carlos or Gio or Ryan or someone else that AN would be in an uproar if traded

When you have a chance to get a guy like Sean Gallagher, you take it!

by WaddellCanseco on Jul 21, 2008 9:56 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

good for the A's

It’s also good for the A’s in that it shows other teams that dealing w/ BB isn’t always a screwjob…

It is possible to get the better end of the deal w/ BB (at least in the short-term, which is just what your fanbase and local press ever cover). So this makes it more likely BB will get another Mulder-like return at some point in a future exchange w/ one of the other 31 managers (in exchange for doing a Hudson-like or Harden-like deal on BB’s end).

Then again, the conspiracionalist (grammar?) in me leads me into believing that not only did BB set up these “seemingly bad for the A’s” deals, but he did so with a few select other GM’s, so as to gain max leverage against those not in the “conspiracy”. 

Ahh, I'm just making stuff up, I'm sure...

by rollierollieOxenfree on Jul 21, 2008 9:36 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What about bringing back Milton Bradley:

I know I’ll be asked what pipe did I just get done smoking but Bradley can be bought for a small 3 year deal as a DH!

Chavez has got to get healthy asap in order to help out the middle of the order. I

Beating LAA or wherever the fu*k they are, Priceless!

by MMunoz33 on Jul 21, 2008 8:24 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow - but you know the Cubs fans are going through exactly

what we’ve been through for years: “Man, if he can JUST stay healthy…”

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by Nico on Jul 21, 2008 8:32 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He walked a batter with his 107th pitch ...

... and Lou left him out there. I was surprised and nervous for him. I wonder if this is his highest pitch count of the year.

Brainless Automaton #439

by rubin sierra on Jul 21, 2008 8:34 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

or of his life

"It's not my fault your team's so shitty." -Steve Friend, head coach, Chabot College, to Laney College's head coach, who asked why we scored so many runs after we beat Laney 30-3 in 2006

by flipgatey3 on Jul 21, 2008 8:34 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i am glad

that i don’t remember that

"It's not my fault your team's so shitty." -Steve Friend, head coach, Chabot College, to Laney College's head coach, who asked why we scored so many runs after we beat Laney 30-3 in 2006

by flipgatey3 on Jul 21, 2008 8:41 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yup

Just visited baseball reference dot com

With the A’s he made it to 100 pitches in 4 of 13 starts … this is his second-highest pitch count of the season. Third highest is I believe 105.

Brainless Automaton #439

by rubin sierra on Jul 21, 2008 8:41 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ladies and gentlemen

your chicago cubs braintrust!

"It's not my fault your team's so shitty." -Steve Friend, head coach, Chabot College, to Laney College's head coach, who asked why we scored so many runs after we beat Laney 30-3 in 2006

by flipgatey3 on Jul 21, 2008 8:35 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no kidding

desperation

"It's not my fault your team's so shitty." -Steve Friend, head coach, Chabot College, to Laney College's head coach, who asked why we scored so many runs after we beat Laney 30-3 in 2006

by flipgatey3 on Jul 21, 2008 8:37 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's a hell of a campaign

Midget and broom and whatnot …

Who needs competence as long as everyone smiles? @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jul 22, 2008 11:42 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They're feeling the Brewers/Cards heat

Both will finish the night 2 or 3 back pending the outcome of the Cubs game.

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by Nico on Jul 21, 2008 8:36 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This team looks like shit

I think Blanton’s trade killed the season. I’m not doubting the quality of the personnel we got in return as I feel better about this trade then the Harden one. But I think Duke probably summed up the morale in the clubhouse pretty accurately. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that the team is nosediving right after that trade. And I don’t blame them. As a fan these last few weeks have really killed my passion for this team also.

One thing that all the sabertricians seem to forget is that there is a very human element to baseball also. People cannot always be quantified by their VORP or their WHIP. They have feelings and ambitions and desires like everyone else. Players (and fans) have to be dejected that this team does nothing to assure them of a) job security, b) consistency and c) a true desire to win.

This team up until a week ago was very much in contention and management basically called the season on them and worse, called the season FOR them. I totally understand why this team got only 2 hits tonight. I wish Beane et al would too.

by petitceebee on Jul 21, 2008 8:36 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   1 recs

How ironic, though, to think of reading on AN

that trading Blanton killed the season.

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by Nico on Jul 21, 2008 8:37 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no kidding

i love game wraps after a loss

"It's not my fault your team's so shitty." -Steve Friend, head coach, Chabot College, to Laney College's head coach, who asked why we scored so many runs after we beat Laney 30-3 in 2006

by flipgatey3 on Jul 21, 2008 8:38 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Of all the things that one could say killed the season (which isn't dead)

I never expected to read that trading Blanton was the one.

When you have a chance to get a guy like Sean Gallagher, you take it!

by WaddellCanseco on Jul 21, 2008 9:58 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the season was done

when thomas and chavez got hurt again…it’s been done for a while

"It's not my fault your team's so shitty." -Steve Friend, head coach, Chabot College, to Laney College's head coach, who asked why we scored so many runs after we beat Laney 30-3 in 2006

by flipgatey3 on Jul 21, 2008 8:38 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1000

Beating LAA or wherever the fu*k they are, Priceless!

by MMunoz33 on Jul 21, 2008 8:38 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I disagree

Being four games out with half a season to go is a pretty good position to be in

by petitceebee on Jul 21, 2008 8:39 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

with our lineup?

we can’t hit…remember

"It's not my fault your team's so shitty." -Steve Friend, head coach, Chabot College, to Laney College's head coach, who asked why we scored so many runs after we beat Laney 30-3 in 2006

by flipgatey3 on Jul 21, 2008 8:39 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah

but we have a small village worth of 2nd basemen and pitchers as chips too. With our minors revamped I would have liked to try something to improve this year.

by petitceebee on Jul 21, 2008 8:42 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i don't mean to be a dick or anything but

such as what? i feel like if there was a trade that made the team better billy would have done it, because like you said, we have a small village of chips

"It's not my fault your team's so shitty." -Steve Friend, head coach, Chabot College, to Laney College's head coach, who asked why we scored so many runs after we beat Laney 30-3 in 2006

by flipgatey3 on Jul 21, 2008 8:43 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

mine was

a small village of clothes, pizza boxes and beer cans…and baseball equipment. and my roomie had guitar hero

"It's not my fault your team's so shitty." -Steve Friend, head coach, Chabot College, to Laney College's head coach, who asked why we scored so many runs after we beat Laney 30-3 in 2006

by flipgatey3 on Jul 21, 2008 8:46 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't know

I’m not as well versed as many of you on AN about being a GM but I keep hearing Holliday’s name floated. Don’t we have anything in terms of medium quality and enough quantity to satisfy them? Like maybe 2 Dana Evelands, A Huston Street, 2 Murtons, a Patterson or something like that?

by petitceebee on Jul 21, 2008 8:47 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If you can clone people

I would like 13 Swooneys and 12 Duchscherers. Thanks in advance.

by Swooney's Left Foot on Jul 21, 2008 8:49 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We could always go Bob Uecker

on the diamond and make 3rd base 1st base then we could play baseball left-handed!

by petitceebee on Jul 21, 2008 8:59 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not sure

Still haven’t found the key to her chastity belt.

by Swooney's Left Foot on Jul 21, 2008 9:04 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

solid

"It's not my fault your team's so shitty." -Steve Friend, head coach, Chabot College, to Laney College's head coach, who asked why we scored so many runs after we beat Laney 30-3 in 2006

by flipgatey3 on Jul 21, 2008 9:04 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

double solid

"It's not my fault your team's so shitty." -Steve Friend, head coach, Chabot College, to Laney College's head coach, who asked why we scored so many runs after we beat Laney 30-3 in 2006

by flipgatey3 on Jul 21, 2008 9:07 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If that's true

Why does she keep telling me that her clock is ticking?

by Swooney's Left Foot on Jul 21, 2008 9:09 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh yeah....

I forgot to mention that. You want it back?

"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on Jul 21, 2008 10:02 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was never good at multiple choice.

"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on Jul 21, 2008 10:15 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Do you think a hitter like Holliday would be good in the Coliseum?

He kills in Denver of course and is fairly decent on the road, but even then the Coliseum is still an offense-killer.

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by Flashfire on Jul 21, 2008 8:49 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think Holliday is definitely in the range of

the level of hitter we need, i.e. not a Murton, Casey Blake type “slight upgrade,” but is at the low end of that range. On one hand, he’d be our best hitter and a legitimate #4 between, say, Cust and Gonzalez. OTOH, he’d probably show a lot of park effect for trading Coors for the Coliseum 81 times.

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by Nico on Jul 21, 2008 8:52 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, I think he'd be a help here but if people are expecting him to put up...

...the kind of offense he does in Coors, you’re not going to get that here.

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by Flashfire on Jul 21, 2008 8:55 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Like I said

I’m not all that well versed on players or leagues or parks, much less everyone’s minor leagues but w/o the actual ability to clone people, my general idea was enough quantity of Type B players to land a Type A hitter. I’m just speaking from a commodities point of view which everyone on AN should be accustomed to by now

by petitceebee on Jul 21, 2008 8:53 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Unfortunately, "quantity for quality"

is what fans like to wish for, but doesn’t actually work. You have to trade quality, in the form of talent or real potential, in order to get quality in the form of talent or real potential.

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by Nico on Jul 21, 2008 9:02 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oy

Teams do not trade elite players for large quantities of averageness.

Rest assured they’d be wanting elite prospects back. Do you want to give up Sean Doolittle and Cahill for a 1.5 year rental? No, I don’t either. Give it a rest.

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by PaulThomas on Jul 21, 2008 9:01 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

PT, check out my comment and then yours

Same content, different tone.

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by Nico on Jul 21, 2008 9:03 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If someone valued Doolittle as "elite" I'd be willing to talk

I just don’t think anyone does.

When you have a chance to get a guy like Sean Gallagher, you take it!

by WaddellCanseco on Jul 21, 2008 10:02 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs