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Is Fremont the opiate of the AN masses?

 

Mostly in response to the recent trades of Harden, Gaudin and Blanton, there has been a lot of talk around here lately of how the A’s are now “primed” to consistently win in the future or in Fremont.  Many have said or suggested it is only a matter of time (Fremont) until the A’s become perennial AL West winners, the Angels become perennial losers, and the A’s even win one or more championships.  Putting aside the real question of when Fremont will arrive (2012?), the recent trades leave me with more unanswered questions than answers and these questions leave me doubting the claims of those who see the future as A’s bliss.  (For the sake of effect I will be referring to “Fremont” and “the future” interchangeably, realizing they are not identical).

Below are a number of questions that concern me greatly:

1.         Who is going to hit and drive in runs in Fremont?

            With all the talk of how the A’s now have the envy of young pitching in the majors and minors, people seem to forget that to win you still have to score more runs than the other team.  As it stands, the A’s currently field 3 legitimate “hitters” that should play and contribute in Fremont: CarGon, Swooney, and Susuki.  Cust does not make the list b/c of his record pace for strikeouts, his apparent inability to hit anything other than fastballs, and his age.  Crosby doesn’t make the list b/c he’s not a hitter.  Barton seems like he’ll never learn to hit. Chavez is too much of a question mark for now and likely will be gone by then.  That leaves holes at one OF spot, 1B, 2B, SS, and 3B (yes the entire infield).  What about the minors? [I am admittedly not as knowledgeable as many here about the A’s minor league hitting prospects].  Do any of the A’s second basemen become good hitters and fielders?  Do we ever get another shortstop that can hit?  Will we be able to field a first baseman that makes us forget about Giambi?  Who takes over for Chavez?  I know many of you might throw out the names Cunningham (OF), Carter (DH?), and Doolittle (1B) but these are just “prospects” no?  I’m tired of prospects (see DJ, Barton) and want some actual hitters.  I remember that Barton was lauded as the best hitting prospect in the Cardinals and then A’s organizations . . .  but look at him now.  And until these “prospects” prove they can hit major league pitching, I’m not ready to celebrate 9 AL West titles in a row. [Like many of you, I think it would have been nice if one of Billy’s trades netted an actual guy that hits ML pitching now].

2.         How good will our young pitchers be?

            I’ll admit most of the time I am really really really excited about the future of A’s pitching.  But how good will these young guns be? To date both Eveland and Smith have shown flashes of good pitching, but is their youth to blame for their struggles or is what we see what we get? Are they still on the learning curve? Will they even be around by Fremont? And how good will everyone else be?  Cahill, Gonzalez, Inoa,  Anderson, and Simmons are all great prospects, but right now just that.  Remember that Dan Meyer was once a great “prospect” also and he’s been all frustration and no performance.  Braden was also touted as a good, if not great prospect and he is not much more than AAAA quality.

3.         Will the A’s even spend money in Fremont?

            Everyone assumes they will, but why?  Because Billy has said that?  Someone even recently wrote that one of the A’s first big signings in Fremont will be Justin Upton. Who knows if Billy will even be around then, he may get picked up by the English Premier League to run a team, and that may now be his dream.  What if the owners simply want to run the team like a traditional business – let’s make some money and turn a profit?  I continue to worry that with the declining value of the dollar in the present economy, Fremont may not mean spending more money.  Why spend it when it means more profit for the owners?  Will the A's stop being a farm system for the wealthy teams of the MLB?  I hope the A's spend money in Fremont, but I have doubts about whether that will ever happen.

4.         Why are so many assuming the Angels will be a non-factor during the Fremont era?

            While the Angels farm system isn’t what it once was, it still is very solid and more importantly it is one of the few franchises that achieves 3 million in attendance every year and has an owner that spends (and overspends) on free agents.  The Angels have shown they are more than willing to follow the Yankee model of success by buying runs and paying top dollar for them.  Why should we assume that they will not buy their way into competing with the A’s?  I for one am not making that assumption.  [And I am also not assuming that Seattle will be a non-factor because even though Bavasi pretty much ruined that team for a few years, it will come back]. 

Because of all these questions, I am not willing to see Fremont as automatic A’s bliss.  And all the talk of it as such evokes sentiments of a “better world, at a better tomorrow.”  I’m not taking that drug and before I feel confident in celebrating the demise of the Evil Empire (Latin edition) I would like to see some concrete answers to these questions.

Poll
How do you feel about the future of the A's?
I'm taking that opium and we're going to dominate the AL West for years!
11 votes
I'm cautiously optimistic about the future and think the A's will win most of the AL West titles once they're in Fremont (I take opium only once a week).
32 votes
I'm cautiously pessimistic and have only dabbled with opium but I think the A's will win more AL West titles than the hated Angels.
19 votes
I say no to all drugs and won't believe in the A's dominance until I see it.
16 votes
Couldn't Billy have gotten at least one guy that can hit MLB ptiching with one of his recent trades?
34 votes

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I don't understand why people keep bagging on Cust

The guy has 18 home runs. That type of power is hard to find no matter how many times he strikes out. He’s more valuable offensively than Sweeny, Gonzo, and Suzuki combined.

by GusanoQuemador on Jul 21, 2008 3:07 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I didn't intend to "bag" on Cust, only to point out that

I don’t think he fits into the A’s future in Fremont. I don’t know if I agree with you that he is more valuable offensively than those three players either. His power is important, but how many of his HRs are solo? FYI he and DFA have the exact same number as RBI FWIW. But Jack’s OBP is impressive considering his total strikeout #s.

by oaktownmario on Jul 21, 2008 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's not even true now...

let alone in the year of the Mayan apocalypse

"Behind both goals were banners bearing the word 'Calamity' while another carried the warning: 'You will drown in the Bosphorous.'"--Threats made by Turkish soccer fans to the British from a match in 2003. Tribute to their miraculous run in Euro 2008.

RIP Tim Russert, quintessential Buffalonian.

by Cutthemullet on Jul 21, 2008 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually it is

Jack Cust’s win shares this year currently stand at 33. Sweeney, Suzuki & Gonzalez’s total 30 (8, 18 & 4)

by GusanoQuemador on Jul 21, 2008 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

win shares?

Jack Cust is awful, career minor leaguer, who belongs in the minors.

by jshaw25 on Jul 21, 2008 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So you'd rather have KKKKust then Gonzo or Sweeney?

Cust does nothing for this team at least the other two are superior defensive players as rookies and will improve at the plate. Cust is never going to improve any part of his game.

by jshaw25 on Jul 21, 2008 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't say that

I just said that offensively he is a very valuable member of this team and certainly will not be sent to the minors if he continues what he’s doing. See that .912 OPS last year? That was good for 9th in the league, topping Manny Ramirez, Grady Sizemore, Victor Martinez, and Frank Thomas. Should those guys be sent to the minors as well?

by GusanoQuemador on Jul 21, 2008 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The problem with that theory

is that those guys are top 10 in the league every year and didn’t just pull a decent year out of their asses like Cust did, he had a good 3 or 4 months last year and that’s pretty much all that can be expected of him since he’s shown no other consistency in his career.

by jshaw25 on Jul 21, 2008 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Except, of course, this year

I mean really…are we talking about the same guy?

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/teams/batting?team=oak&cat=OPS&season=2008&split=0&seasonType=2&type=reg

He is by far and away the most productive hitter on the team. The guys only hits solo home runs because no one else gets on base, like… ever, so it makes it kind of tough.

And he actually does hit multiple run home runs and has hit more walk off home runs than anyone else on the team since he’s been here. We only think that he doesn’t because of a thing called myopic loss aversion. The pain we feel when he doesn’t come through outweighs the joy we feel when he does come through. So that’s what we tend to remember.

by GusanoQuemador on Jul 21, 2008 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for putting forth a good defense of Cust

He gets WAY too much heat from A’s fans.

by rebus on Jul 21, 2008 7:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not exactly

Doesn’t your link suggest that Gregorio Petit is the most productive hitter on the team?

by solotar on Jul 21, 2008 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well argued

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Jul 21, 2008 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

eh

Gonzalez hasn’t had a full season in the majors.

"Behind both goals were banners bearing the word 'Calamity' while another carried the warning: 'You will drown in the Bosphorous.'"--Threats made by Turkish soccer fans to the British from a match in 2003. Tribute to their miraculous run in Euro 2008.

RIP Tim Russert, quintessential Buffalonian.

by Cutthemullet on Jul 21, 2008 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

had he been here from the start...

That number would be >33.

"Behind both goals were banners bearing the word 'Calamity' while another carried the warning: 'You will drown in the Bosphorous.'"--Threats made by Turkish soccer fans to the British from a match in 2003. Tribute to their miraculous run in Euro 2008.

RIP Tim Russert, quintessential Buffalonian.

by Cutthemullet on Jul 21, 2008 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think so

Not if he we here hitting home runs once every 21 games. Thats just a tick better than Sweeney. But I’ll give it to you that had he been here all year, then those 3 may be tied with Cust in win shares.

by GusanoQuemador on Jul 21, 2008 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really?

You don’t understand…bagging on a guy who hits a solo home run a week and strikes out every other at bat…no reason to bag on him whatsoever.

by jshaw25 on Jul 21, 2008 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

better to strike out

than to hit into a double play

"It's not my fault your team's so shitty." -Steve Friend, head coach, Chabot College, to Laney College's head coach, who asked why we scored so many runs after we beat Laney 30-3 in 2006

by flipgatey3 on Jul 24, 2008 1:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cust gets a bobblehead this season....

it only means he’ll be a former A. Hip hip horray!

by What Would Rickey Do on Jul 21, 2008 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Opium dabbler.

"Behind both goals were banners bearing the word 'Calamity' while another carried the warning: 'You will drown in the Bosphorous.'"--Threats made by Turkish soccer fans to the British from a match in 2003. Tribute to their miraculous run in Euro 2008.

RIP Tim Russert, quintessential Buffalonian.

by Cutthemullet on Jul 21, 2008 3:21 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

First of all good

insightful post. Although I don’t agree with many things you said I can appreciate the post.

Let’s start with #1: How is Barton not involved in the future he’s had a sophomore slump and although he is not hitting for Avg. he is still drawing a lot of walks and is still very young. As for 2b the A’s just traded for Adrian Cardenas (20 yrs old) who can flat out rake. I can understand Cust, because although he has hit 18 jacks and has a high OPB I just don’t see him in Fremont especially with Chris Carter hitting homers like he is in the minors.

2: I can understand your frustration with our young pitchers being just prospects, but Harden, Hudson, Mulder, Zito were just prospects once and I think they turned out alright in Oakland. The Dan Meyer point is a valid one, and it is a risk you take with prospects. But it’s a risk the A’s have to take. Eveland and Smith are already producing in the Majors in their first full season, so yes they are still learning and can only improve. Don’t forget about Gallagher as well he is only 22 and has some pretty impressive stuff. 3: Seeing as though cisco field looks unbelievable on paper and the ballpark village as well I’m sure attendance will be unbelievable. Therefore, I think that the ownership will definitely spend money as they will generate a lot of revenue, and Wolff (Love that man) isn’t getting any younger so he wants to win. 4: I agree with you on this, the Angels will still be contenders by the time the A’s are in Fremont.

Sure things have to pan out for the A’s to be constant winners, but looking at all our talent in the minors and some in the majors it’s hard to not see it happening.

Fremont here we come!

by In Beane we trust on Jul 21, 2008 3:25 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for your comments . . .

I definitely hope Barton turns it around and starts to hit before Fremont, I’m just down on him now given that he has had 277 ABs this year and his offensive numbers are pretty bad (obp of .328 and slg of .310). His ppa is promising but everything else worries me. I just hope he is not another DJ.

I meant to point out that Gallagher looks like he has the best upside of the three current young pitchers, with Smith being a close second.

by oaktownmario on Jul 21, 2008 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Jul 21, 2008 3:45 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

He asked a question, I answered it.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Jul 21, 2008 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I took his NO to mean Fremont is not the opiate of the AN masses

but he didn’t say why. Maybe he thinks its the barbituate, or the meth, or the crack . . .

by oaktownmario on Jul 21, 2008 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

heh...the acid

Figment of the collective imagination, at this point

"Behind both goals were banners bearing the word 'Calamity' while another carried the warning: 'You will drown in the Bosphorous.'"--Threats made by Turkish soccer fans to the British from a match in 2003. Tribute to their miraculous run in Euro 2008.

RIP Tim Russert, quintessential Buffalonian.

by Cutthemullet on Jul 21, 2008 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

"It's not my fault your team's so shitty." -Steve Friend, head coach, Chabot College, to Laney College's head coach, who asked why we scored so many runs after we beat Laney 30-3 in 2006

by flipgatey3 on Jul 24, 2008 1:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The question I have is why do these trades change anything with the A's. What

was the A’s major problem before last year? The offense. We traded Harden, Gaudin, and Blanton, none of those are offensive players, so what has changed. The A’s are still offensively challenged, how does trading pitchers make so many fans think the A’s are worst. They are the same, offensively challenged, good to great pitching baseball team. If you weren’t upset before the trades, why be upset now.

by theblackpearl on Jul 21, 2008 3:55 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I can't speak for everyone but

I don’t mind losing the pitchers that were lost (esp Cupcakes), but I would have liked to have seen Beane pick up a solid, if not great, hitter for the loss . . . at least to help get us to the promise land of Fremont, instead of watching every game and realizing that if the other team scores twice the game is over.

by oaktownmario on Jul 21, 2008 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He did get good hitters

They are in the minor leagues.

I don’t really understand where this “he should have gotten a hitter!” meme is coming from here. Teams that are out of contention don’t trade for pitchers with mediocre ERAs and/or soon-expiring contracts. Teams that are in contention are not going to trade away a proven cost-controlled hitter for a pitching upgrade, because that would be robbing Peter to pay Paul (actually Billy, not me, but you get the idea).

Absent some really abnormal circumstance, it’s just not going to happen. You’re either trading established pitching for prospect hitting, or prospect pitching for established hitting. There’s plenty of time for the latter once the team is closer to competitiveness.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Jul 21, 2008 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Solid post

Great post, I haven’t given up on Barton just yet but it does seem like even if he pans out he’s not a slugger more of a Sean Casey type. I think the A’s need to find a legitimate slugger at either 3B or RF/LF. Everything I’ve read shows the cupboard being pretty empty at third so maybe the upcoming Street trade can solve that problem.

by briandouglas on Jul 21, 2008 4:25 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The only sentiment of this diary

with which I generally agree is that there’s no reason to think this is going to be a good offensive team anytime soon-meaning within the next five years-unless they go get a couple of impact bats.

Otherwise, I see a lot of 85-90 win seasons based on superior pitching, which (ironically) is what Beane is pledging to avoid by rebuilding now.

"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico

by jeepers on Jul 21, 2008 4:44 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed 100%

Question #6

Are the A’s actually going to make it to Fremont within the decade?

I’m starting to think a sale to a new owner and move to a whole new region is more likely. There are plenty of places in this country that would look for every reason to make an MLB franchise work in their city, rather than look for every reason it will be a problem.

What about Barry?
"Barry who?" Forst said, and I felt like I was in the middle of a knock-knock joke.

by KMoAsFan on Jul 21, 2008 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd watch out for Oklahoma City

they have a propensity for stealing green and gold teams away from the west coast

Green Hulk Fists

by oaklandSMASH on Jul 21, 2008 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Question #5

Is the Freemont park really going to take away all that foul ground that our pitchers love and Oakland has been known for?

"To me, boxing is like a ballet, except there's no music, no choreography, and the dancers hit each other." - Jack Handey

by JJ on Jul 21, 2008 6:49 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I was just thinking about that.

The foul ground part of the fremont plan is much smaller than the foul territory at the Coli.

I don’t know how that is going to affect the pitchers in our future rotation, but I’ve always thought that the ample foul territory has been a great asset which former A’s pitcher struggle with when they leave Oakland.

It’s looking like an increase in “upclose” hundred dollar tickets are winning over the homefield advantage of getting easy foul outs.

Green Hulk Fists

by oaklandSMASH on Jul 21, 2008 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope so

I don’t care for the huge foul territory.

If the pitchers do well by it, does it stand to reason that the hitters are hindered by it?

A standard response seems to be that both teams have to hit there, but the same stands for pitchers, too.

You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all. ~Earl Weaver

by UncleLeo on Jul 21, 2008 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

hello!

um… in case you didn’t notice; suburban sprawl is over. the A’s ain’t movin’ to fremont. Its Oakland or somewhere else, far away. Gas ain’t gettin’ cheaper. Most people in “the know” say we’re in a reccesion and possibly something worse.

Me thinks the carpetbagger (wolffe&levi strauss) are selling (if they can).

Taking the A’s out of the Oakland Coliseum is like trying to kill off cockroaches (impossible!)

by GrewUpAtTheColiseum on Jul 21, 2008 8:22 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Fremont isn't exactly Suburban Sprawl

It is a city in a major metropolitan area. Now if the deal was to move to Stockton, or Elk Grove…or Antioch… okay.

by jeffro on Jul 22, 2008 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

wrong jeans

I think you meant GAP (i.e. the Fisher family), and not Levi Strauss (i.e. the Hass family that sold the team in the early 90’s). I only point this out because I was a huge fan of the Hass family’s running of the team, and hate to see it maligned.

by el generico on Jul 22, 2008 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Billy Did It" Is The Opiate of the AN Masses

I love Billy and I think he is working hard to put a good club in Fremont. I don’t think he gives a crap about the club while they’re in Oakland, and I don’t think he cares about the sentiments of the Oakland fans (goodbye, Mark Ellis, my favorite A since Rickey …) so it’s been really wearying to have to read so many on AN maintain the past week and a half that not only did the recent trades help the A’s of the future, they helped the A’s of the present. People keep pulling out these obscure statistics to tell you that, you know, they’d rather have Aaron Brown than Milton Bradley, and, failing that, they’re just certain Rich Harden is going to get hurt. Oh yeah, Chad Gaudin, too.

Bottom line, admit it: Billy gutted this admittedly struggling team in the middle of a pennant race. He waived the white flag. He quit. He had his reasons, they were probably good reasons in light of what he wanted to accomplish, but he quit.

Just as he did last year when he DFAd Milton Bradley, after which the A’s quickly dropped something like 10 of 11. I’m hardly in an exclusive group of ANers who have played competitive baseball, but when your team sucks at the plate and you trade your opening day starter and Rich Harden and add to your horrible lineup some guy named Murton, it’s hard to not quit on the season. As a rule in life, when people quit on you, you quit on them. It shouldn’t be that way, but it often is.

The whole concept of Opiates is the idea of distracting people from reality. Reality is Rich Harden took a no hitter into the 6th inning tonight, and Rich Harden was lights out in his prior start, too. (OK, he faced the Giants, so it hardly counts.) But the Harden trade totally sucked and made the A’s not only a worse club right away, but it made an almost unwatchable club most of the time an unwatchable club another 20% of the time. Just because Billy traded the guy doesn’t mean the club is better. Fremont isn’t the opiate of the masses. Billy Beane is. Hell, Marco Scutaro is better than the guys the A’s play at SS and 3B every night. Why the hell did they get rid of him? Because they wanted to save money, I guess.

by solotar on Jul 21, 2008 8:35 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Jesus fucking Christ

It’s Andrew Brown. Andrew. Not Aaron. Andrew. Let me repeat that another ten times so that maybe it actually sinks in. Andrew. Andrew. Andrew. Andrew. Andrew. Andrew. Andrew. Andrew. Andrew. Andrew.

Do you actually read anything that’s written by anyone else here, or do you just love to read your own posts over and over again?

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Jul 21, 2008 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Omigod, ThomasPaul, THANK YOU

I HATE it when people can’t even get a name right!!!!!!

-Cindi

P.S. Did super-hottie Dan Harden pitch yet this week? I heart him – there, I said it.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 21, 2008 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

PT

I’m cool with a lot of things and I let a lot of things ride, but putting the f-bomb as a middle name for a guy I pray to personally, is taking it a bit too far.

I can dig that you want people to get their information right on, but as a practicing Catholic and probably one of several ANers that pray to a higher God, I have to say the ney-no to your prior post heading.

Green Hulk Fists

by oaklandSMASH on Jul 21, 2008 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, I just snapped

One of the things that bugs me is “repetition of stupidity,” particularly if said repetition comes after it’s been pointed out politely a time or two.

I mean, there are really only two possibilities here:

1. He really hasn’t read any of the replies to his posts either of the last two times he said almost exactly the same thing (including that misspelling), indicating a total unwillingness to engage in dialogue, or

2. He’s doing it deliberately to be dismissive of Brown (or irritate ANers who prefer that people’s names be correct), which is asinine.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Jul 21, 2008 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's all good.

Truth be told, I am guilty of repeating a lot of things I post, or posting when “hot.”

You are one of the smartest posters on this site and it just disappointed me when I saw the heading of the last post.

I appreciate your apology and certainly understand the frustration that comes when it comes to the A’s baseball we love so much. Also, I agree with the rest of the post. Hopefully more people take the time to read the thread before posting blindly.

Green Hulk Fists

by oaklandSMASH on Jul 22, 2008 1:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

need more lefty anchors

Who needs competence as long as everyone smiles? @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jul 22, 2008 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed regarding "unwatchable"

Last month, Harden and Duke were the only reason for a casual fan to watch the A’s. Now, Duke is the only reason.

Brainless Automaton #439

by rubin sierra on Jul 21, 2008 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cubs are trying to make Harden feel at home

His first game, the bullpen blew the save (against the aforementioned Gnats). Tonight, the Cubs only got two hits, and six base-runners total in getting shut out (with Richie taking the “loss” after giving up a leadoff homer in the aforementioned 6th inning).

As for the A’s being watchable only with Harden on the team, I’d have to admit that this is true – most of us would watch Harden’s starts to see if his arm was going to fly off after each pitch. Seriously, after reading so many ANers’ comments before and early in the season about how we can’t count on Harden again, etc, etc, I have trouble understanding all the angst at his being traded away.

"There's m'fn sprinklers on the m'fn infield!'" - Ice Cream (AN), 6/13/08

by doctorK on Jul 21, 2008 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess it really was Harden's lack of "leadership skills"

That held the A’s offense down during his starts.

I completely agree with the later point. When we had him he was “one pitch away from an injury” or excluded from pre-season projections. Now that he’s gone he’s a 10 time Cy Young winner.

by nevermoor on Jul 22, 2008 6:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here is my issue with predicting the future of the A's

Recently I went back and reviewed the game I was at in NY last year. I felt it was fitting due to the fact that the A’s were going to be playing their next game in NY and I was working on my NY trip scrapbook. I wanted to get back into the mindset of my trip, so what better way to do that than to rewatch the game I was at.

Right off the bat, before the first pitch had even been thrown, I was completely freaked out. Looking around the dugout I saw many familiar faces, but not a one of them was CURRENTLY playing for the A’s. Joe Blanton was pitching that particular game, and this was the very day that he had been traded. I saw Buck, Piazza, Chavez, Crosby, DJ, and what freaked me out most was seeing Joe Kennedy. The only current Athletic in last years line up was Mark Ellis!

My point is, that was simply a year ago. The A’s of 2008 look nothing like the A’s of 2007, though their run production is freakishly similar, their names and faces have all changed. To sit here and try to predict the names and face of our team 4 years from now is like banging your head against a wall to hammer in a nail! It is pointless and painful. If you were to look at the team of 2004 and attempt to predict the team of 2008, I can promise, you would have been WAY wrong!

I understand how this kind of speculation can be fun at times, but 2012 is a long way off and at least 15 huge trades away. Why bother?

"He's day-to-day," Geren said. "But aren't we all?" - 5/29/08

by BobbyCrosbysGirl on Jul 21, 2008 11:07 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Thank you for saying this...

...every time I read a projection anywhere past a month or two down the road, I have to laugh. Of course, I’m tempted to say something mean, too, but I do realize that some people really enjoy spending time with arcane (albeit inefficient) analyses of this sort, so who am I to tell them not to waste their time?

"All managers are losers, they are the most expendable pieces of furniture on the face of the Earth."- Ted Williams

by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 22, 2008 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's not a waste of time

Projecting the future isn’t the same thing as predicting that it will STAY the future. It tells you where you are and where you need to go when you make changes in your team.

I’m pretty certain that the A’s internal projections of their pitching staff’s likely performance over the second half (“not this good”) provoked the recent decision to sell off the pieces.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Jul 22, 2008 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Valid points

and that is my frustration with comments that in the future (or Fremont) the A’s will be celebrating dominance over the rest of the AL West. There are just too many questions out there and I don’t feel comfortable saying to myself “Well the A’s suck now but in 3 or 4 years they’ll be dominating the West.” That may help some feel better about how crappy the team is now, but it doesn’t work for me.

by oaktownmario on Jul 22, 2008 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the future A's will be successful

Though I would lean towards it being the Portland A’s, Las Vegas A’s, San Antonio A’s, or Sacramento A’s as opposed to the Fremont A’s.

by throwmonkey on Jul 22, 2008 12:57 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Honolulu A's

A gateway into the lucrative Asian baseball markets…

Green Hulk Fists

by oaklandSMASH on Jul 22, 2008 1:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

and major tourist draw

Like being in Vegas, w/o the gambling taint.

That’s actually a genius idea.

But—the MLBPA would fight it tooth and nail, and with good reason.

Who needs competence as long as everyone smiles? @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jul 22, 2008 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also

Can you imagine how much more ESPN would ignore the A’s if they were now playing 6 hours behind Eastern time?

"There's m'fn sprinklers on the m'fn infield!'" - Ice Cream (AN), 6/13/08

by doctorK on Jul 22, 2008 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, but they'd be on Tokyo Broadcasting System every day,

especially with a Japanese player or two…

"All managers are losers, they are the most expendable pieces of furniture on the face of the Earth."- Ted Williams

by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 22, 2008 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not so fast...

...why should I have any confidence that the Freemont project will actually be a go? With every passing day that plan seems less and less likely as well more and more foolish.

by Pucking Insane on Jul 22, 2008 12:21 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

“Though I would lean towards it being the Portland A’s, Las Vegas A’s, San Antonio A’s, or Sacramento A’s as opposed to the Fremont A’s.”

Sacramento would be awesome, the support for the Rivercats up here is always a surprise, and they have the land to build. But I still think Fremont happens, especially since Beane has a stake in the team, and the other endeavors this ownership is in already have a Bay Area focus.

Here's playing for 2011! Team of the Future

C - Donaldson
1B - Doolittle
2B - Weeks
3B - Patterson
SS - Cardenas
OF - Sweeney, Gonzalez, Buck
DH - Carter

SP - Inoa, Gonzalez, Cahill, Simmons, Anderson

by RBeezy32 on Jul 22, 2008 2:33 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't understand why some

ANers don’t see the A’s going to fremont. Sure it’s taken longer than we all hoped it would, but why would Wolff go as far as naming the field, purchasing land, and actually putting out graphics of how Cisco Field will look as well as the ballpark village he wants to add if it was never going to happen. Personally I feel they will be in Fremont by opening day 2012, although I hope it’s 2011.

Fremont here we come!

by In Beane we trust on Jul 22, 2008 3:26 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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