Chavez heading to DL
by muffinpryde on Jul 2, 2008 10:44 AM PDT
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This is my first attempt at a Fanpost, and it looks like I'm the bearer of bad news. Well, crap. Eric Chavez, 3B, has landed on the 15-day DL because of that recurring shoulder problem that didn't get treated right. Looks like 1B Wes Bankston will be called up. Hopefully, the presence of Bankston will provide some competition to the struggling Daric Barton.
http://oakland.athletics.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080702&content_id=3049810&vkey=news_oak&fext=.jsp&c_id=oak
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who did the A's remove from the 40-man to add Bankston?
I like the Bankston move, the A’s can definitely use another RH bat
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by athleticsBB4life on Jul 2, 2008 10:48 AM PDT reply actions
When was Frank put on the DL originally? When would 60 days be over. The 60 days could
end around the middle of July, which would give them that flexibility.
by theblackpearl on Jul 2, 2008 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions
my guess is that it will be Sweeney or Denorfia to the 60-day...or they DFA"d
gray or meyer
"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane
by athleticsBB4life on Jul 2, 2008 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Remember?
Calero was DFA’d and released a little while back. Bankston takes up spot #40
Procrastinators unite....tomorrow
nope, unless I can't count, there are 40 on this list
by theblackpearl on Jul 2, 2008 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
You can't count
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And now we understand
the interest in Beltre. Hannahan isn’t panning out—and Chavez is a huge question mark going forward.
but
but but but
his name is so much fun to say…
HANNAHAN!
Fortunately, this is his age-28 year: his killing productivity is likely to decline. Impressive range, though. -Monkeyball
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 2, 2008 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Pannahan?
Certainly he’s been panned plenty at this site…
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I really would like
a trade for Wilson Betemit right about now
Wilson Betemit and Shelley Duncan for …....
Let's have our Piazza and eat the Cust too - SPWC
J__ Bl____n
Not sure the Yanks make that deal
An average starting pitcher
(albeit one who is struggling this year) for two backups without much upside. The Yankees make that deal in a second.
"May a nit suck Cajun geese?" wonders Red. No, we see gnu Jack Cust in a yam.
J. Blankton?
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Joe "Haven't Blanked Anyone Since '07" Blankton?
The Stockton Ports pitching staff is better than the Orioles.
Betemit luster has worn off and Shelly Duncan is....
a lesser RH version of Cust, and Cust hasn’t been all that impressive
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by athleticsBB4life on Jul 2, 2008 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Does their rotation suck that bad?
I thought they had like 8 starters going into this year.
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But Kershaw is doing fine.
Their overall ERA+ is 116. 3 out of their current 5 starters have an ERA+ above 100. A fourth, Kershaw is at 99. Meanwhile,their overall OPS+ is 87, and everyone other than Russell Martin has either cliff dived, the vets, or is not living up to expectations, the youngsters.
ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524
I'm still LOLing at that Jason Schmidt contract
Could wind up rivaling the Carl Pavano deal for stupidity.
Nonetheless they appear to have plenty of rotation depth available.
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They are going with a 6 man rotation right now...
Probably not the best trading partner for Joe B
Bring back Hammer.
by OaktownPower on Jul 2, 2008 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
They probably need LaRoche more than the As
They definitely need LaRoche more than they need Cupcakes. Their offense is horrendous. Their pitching is fine.
ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524
They're still in love with NOMAAAAHHHH, and for some reason were playing Blake DeWitt instead of LaRoche
even before LaRoche got hurt.
So now we need a 1B, 3B, and two OF or OF and a DH
Sign Bonds, trade for Jason Bay, Adrian Beltre, and Xavier Nady.
Meanwhile, no prospects remain in the system.
facepalm.jpg
Brian Sabean, is that you???
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by franks a lot on Jul 2, 2008 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Ehh, Mets fan wish that
Minaya should have gone out and gotten an OF in the offseason, given how freaking fragile Moises Alou is. Alou is not capable of being a starting OF on an NL team at this point in his career.
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Maybe the A's can capture a little
“lightning in a bottle” with Bankston. Then again, a .316 OBP in AAA so far this season…
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On the plus side
he’s right-handed, plays 1B, and has power. If he gives us the overall production of a right-handed Dan Johnson (with less patience but more power) that has some value for the team right now, given the rest of the roster.
"May a nit suck Cajun geese?" wonders Red. No, we see gnu Jack Cust in a yam.
Has anyone been bumped from the 40-man?
I don’t think Bankston was on it, and in fact the A’s site doesn’t list him as being on the 40-man yet, but it only lists 39 players. Was there an opening on the 40-man roster? If not, can anyone figure out who’s been bumped?
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I love that commercial.
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by franks a lot on Jul 2, 2008 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions
do you wanna get ripped and get
big guns
big arms
big abs
and a big chest?
you may not wanna look like a big ol musclehead, but you wanna look CHISELED.
"It's not my fault your team's so shitty." -Steve Friend, head coach, Chabot College, to Laney College's head coach, who asked why we scored so many runs after we beat Laney 30-3 in 2006
But not if you want to date PT.
He doesn’t like the chiseled look.
"Dispatch knuckleheadedness with Bond-like aplomb." –74mk
And apparently he read the second part of it wrong
since they had to get the announcer to cut in…..
Don't blame me, I voted for Ice Cream
Jeff Baisley
i would rather see Baisley up but it seems he’s on the DL too.
Bankston has slugged .571 in june so even if he doesn’t get on base the power is there.
He's basically Dallas McPherson with more upside
so, eh, might as well give him a look.
Baisley would indeed be the obvious choice but he hasn’t played since mid-June.
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scary comment from Chavez...
“It’s frustrating,” said Chavez, who also had back and left shoulder surgery after being shut down late in the 2007 season and opened this season on the DL while rehabbing his back. “I just want to get to the point where I can get out there and know I can be a productive player, and right now I’m not.”Chavez, 30, said the 2007 surgery on his right shoulder “didn’t fix anything. They just went in and cleaned it up.” This will be his first MRI since the surgery.
“I don’t know if I’m going to need another surgery or what,” Chavez said. “I just know that it’s not right, and we need to find out exactly what’s wrong.
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by athleticsBB4life on Jul 2, 2008 11:18 AM PDT reply actions
another surgery probably puts him out for the rest of the year...
all things consider it may be best to have rest for the final 3 months and come back next season completely healed (hopefully)
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by athleticsBB4life on Jul 2, 2008 11:20 AM PDT reply actions
Yeah thats what i am thinking as well
it sucks though but that would give Chavvy time to get healthy and be a part of 2009 team at 100%. And i am not all that suprised that he is on the DL. Something had to be really hurting for him not to be at 3B.
Bummed. Out.
pam5981: Patience is a virtue that I do not possess.
ohtobe21likehuston: But you're good at drinking and cussing. Two out of three ain't bad.
I guess BB is not sold on Hannahan/Murphy platoon....
or it was done to give Barton some comp.
http://minors.baseball-reference.com/players.cgi?pid=869
Bankston’s only played 6 games at third this year
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by athleticsBB4life on Jul 2, 2008 11:26 AM PDT reply actions
I think
we needed a right handed first basemen to fill the void left by Sweeney. We will probably see a move for a 3b should we stay in this
I hope so because Hannahan and Murphy have been awful...
Hannahan entered last night’s game batting .136 (8-for-59) over his previous 21 games, with the AL’s second-worst overall batting average (.219), third-lowest average with runners in scoring position (.157), and the fourth-lowest slugging percentage (.330).
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by athleticsBB4life on Jul 2, 2008 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Bankston isn't a real option at third.
He’s committed three errors in his six games there this year, and has a staggering 20 in 36 career minor-league games.
The short-term plan has to be Bankston at DH, Hannahan at 3B, and Cust in LF.
So it goes.
Against LHP
I’d expect Bankston at 1B, Cust at DH, and one (or both) of Brown or Davis in the OF, with Barton getting a day off.
Today’s lineup should be up soon; we shall see.
"May a nit suck Cajun geese?" wonders Red. No, we see gnu Jack Cust in a yam.
because
hannahan and murphy both can’t hit
"It's not my fault your team's so shitty." -Steve Friend, head coach, Chabot College, to Laney College's head coach, who asked why we scored so many runs after we beat Laney 30-3 in 2006
Damn. That couple of weeks or whatever it was
when Chavez came back and actually looked pretty healthy out there – it reminded you of what he was once capable of. We may be accustomed to having a hole at third base by now, but it’s still a pretty big hole and a real blow to our hopes the A’s will contend this year.
Huge disappointment.
Much sadness.
"God doesn't pay attention to your cute little hypotheticals." -- Jeff from LL
trade for A-Rod
We send the Yankees Blanton, Embree, Street, Komine, Gio, Cahill, Karsay, Van Poppel, and Inoa.
He's a very personable, sweet, nice chimp. He's not going to be aggressive unless he's provoked. @('.')@
No
we need to hold onto Van Poppel. He’s going to develop into a stud and we’ll just kick ourselves after.
Fortunately, this is his age-28 year: his killing productivity is likely to decline. Impressive range, though. -Monkeyball
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 2, 2008 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Screw that, trade Prieto
The only TRUE Latin American prospect in the Universe
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by franks a lot on Jul 2, 2008 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
don't forget Dressendorfer and Don Peters
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by athleticsBB4life on Jul 2, 2008 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
There's a flashback
Thought that was going secure our starting rotations for years
I'd like to gently request that you ease up on your use of the word V-- P-----
"May a nit suck Cajun geese?" wonders Red. No, we see gnu Jack Cust in a yam.
Q__M
He's a very personable, sweet, nice chimp. He's not going to be aggressive unless he's provoked. @('.')@
I seriously love these charts.
I mentioned that on an earlier thread but it bears repeating. It was worth my logging in (since I’m pretty much exclusively in lurk mode) just to say it.
Well, that ruined a perfectly good day
I smell a season-ending injury.
Ryan Sweeney: I probably irrationally embraced him before you did.
Well, I've never been on the fence about contending-- I think we should focus on the re-build
Trade Harden, Duke, Street, etc.
But I think the argument that other people on here might make is that the A’s got to this part largely without Chavez. I think it’d be foolish to continue to rely on that.
Best case scenario? They do both at once. Get a young 3B who is on the cusp of producing now. Like. oh, say, LaRoche.
Ryan Sweeney: I probably irrationally embraced him before you did.
Definitely
Need to see what the asking price for Laroche is…..
"Mount it? I already did. Oh! You meant on the wall?!!
that is terrible
"It's not my fault your team's so shitty." -Steve Friend, head coach, Chabot College, to Laney College's head coach, who asked why we scored so many runs after we beat Laney 30-3 in 2006
Actually,
It would probably be Embree, Rajai Davis-Laroche (Since Pierre is out 2-3 months).
"Mount it? I already did. Oh! You meant on the wall?!!
ROFL
Do you think Ned Colletti was born yesterday? He’s not that dumb.
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and if he is, we should see if he'll take DFA instead
He's a very personable, sweet, nice chimp. He's not going to be aggressive unless he's provoked. @('.')@
Is that Emil Brown's
new name? Did we just give up on email, oatmeal and whatever else he has been called? Now it’s simply DFA. I like it. It has a nice ring to it.
"So there I am, getting it on with this perfect female body, but with the head of Abraham Lincoln. With the hat and the beard, everything." -Tony (Dazed and Confused)
They already had too many OF...
Andruw is back soon…..I cant imagien they trade for another OF now that they can just play Kemp and Ethier every day.
Bring back Hammer.
by OaktownPower on Jul 2, 2008 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Truly sad news
The realist in me expected Chavez to continue to disappoint based on his unfortunate status as a rotting corpse, but the fan in me hoped that he could prove my skepticism wrong. In this case, skepticism wins. It’s very hard to believe that Chavez will ever be a healthy and consistent player for more than a few weeks at a time, no matter how much people continue to convince themselves otherwise.
Small upside to this mess?
Since Bankston was called up, perhaps Tommy Everidge goes to AAA and Doolittle finally gets his deserved call up to AA?
And put me in the camp that would love to see LaRoche in green and gold. Elbert, LaRoche, DeJesus for Harden? Or if Blanton+ could nab LaRoche that would be good too.
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
The A's should try to deal Crosby to LA
Maybe as a throw-in to a LaRoche deal. Perhaps Beane could sell Colletti on him as a change-of-scenery candidate. Crosby plus Henry Rodriguez?
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I'd give the job to Petit, myself
as unlike those two, he has a decent shot at being league-average or better.
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Might as well -
necessity is the mother of invention and all that. Let the Petit era begin.
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I thought about it but they have Furcal due back any day
I suppose BoCro could become a 2b for them when Furcal gets back though.
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
Furcal's still hurting.
From Rotowire-
Jul 1: Furcal (back) awoke with pain in his lower back on Tuesday and may be out a little longer, the Dodgers’ official site reports.
Recommendation: The thought was that Furcal could return Friday against the Giants, though that seems unlikely at this point. You have to wonder if the dreaded word “surgery” has been floated among the team doctors.
"I'm going to take a camera crew and march into Billy Beane's office and demand to know why instituting his newfangled cost-saving measures means that the run manufacturing plant had to get shut down." FJM
Furcal is going to have back surgery
and is expected to miss at least 8 weeks.
or at least that’s what I saw on ESPN this morning. I had him on my fantasy team and waited a while before finally dumping him when another player went on the DL.
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;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}
I was under the impression
that the news on Furcal was all pessimistic, that he might even be out for the season.
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So then we should trade for him, right?
Some of our guys are dangerously close to actually playing.
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I wonder if anyone has ever traded for a player knowing that he would never play a day for their club,
just for the comp picks.
It’s not a totally implausible idea.
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We're working on it with Denorfia!
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Seriously?
I mean, the Chavez injury is no suprise. But Wes Blank-ston? Really? REALLY?
It seems we need someone with good on base skills and some pop. Someone who is available for league minimum…lets see. Well, its a shame Barry Bonds isn’t just sitting around waiting for a call to work for nearly free with perhaps the best player ever. Whats that? He is? Huh. No, lets rock the .313 OBP. That’ll get the darn Angels.
I mean, dear god, someone has to still have Dan Johson’s phone number in thier cell phone contact list right? What about Graham Koonce? I bet he would play for a warm hug. I am actually suspecting that Beane and Forst are actively trying to sabatoge this season. I just cannot find the motive.
BTW anyone know if we have an insurance policy on Chavez? Or a warranty? Maybe we can return him to the store for violating implied warranties of merchantibility, under the little known UCC provision for sucking.
by mikedaviswhereareyou on Jul 2, 2008 4:17 PM PDT reply actions
Another problem we have:
Emil Brown, Rajai Davis, and Donnie Murphy bat suckily.
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The point being, they're right-handed but whoop-de-doo
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Yes, I see the problem
Bonds has a 2007 OPS of only .991 against lefties. We would be totally exposing ourselves. He only gets on base at a .470 lifetime clip against lefties. And Dan Johnson’s career OPS v. Lefties is a whopping .014 less than that against righties. Graham Koonce just really kinda sucked, so you got me there.
by mikedaviswhereareyou on Jul 2, 2008 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Nobody ever talks about Kevin Maas anymore :-(
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Bonds sucks defensively.
Bonds is ideally a DH. Emil Brown sucks. Emil Brown is ideally in AAA.
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So does Cust.
Frankly, at this point the defensive hit is far outweighed by the increased offensive production.
Teams do frequently have insurance policies
on their more expensive players, as a way to manage the financial risk. I would not be at all surprised if the A’s hold a contract completion policy on Chavez.
The policies are never made public, so you rarely hear about them, and even if you try to investigate all the details are completely confidential. But there are insurance companies out there that specialize in providing that sort of coverage, so you know someone is buying.
None of the money ever shows on the payroll records, so you never really know if when a big star is sunk by injury, the team might not be taking as big a financial hit as it appears.
"Dispatch knuckleheadedness with Bond-like aplomb." –74mk
DJ is in Tampa
Or more specifically, Durham. Just having his phone number isn’t enough.
ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524
Lets not forget
Barton played some 3B in the minors. His numbers would sure be more respectable as a thirdbaseman than as a firstbaseman…more upside there than DM or JH.
Those who saw him play 3B are trying to forget, apparently
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I dunno, it might be worth another try given his improvement at first base
It seems like he’s gotten less clumsy in the field as the season has gone on. He looks more like an athlete and less like a pudgy kid. Maybe that’s just my imagination at work.
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Boy.....
this thread is totally depressing…....:(
but,................”I’m still down for making a few trades to keep our boys in this mug!”
“Let’s Go Bitches!!”
I say Sean Doolittle right to the big club...
...or is he left handed??
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by One won lost won on Jul 2, 2008 10:37 PM PDT reply actions
Yeah
It’s pretty unfortunate, really. He’s a plus defender at first base; I’m sure he could handle third without any trouble if he wasn’t lefthanded.
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Francoeur sent down to Double -A!!
for three weeks, minimum.
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by One won lost won on Jul 4, 2008 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Sure it wasn't the collision at home?
I know Chavez has said it was never fixed but he sure seemed OK until that collision a few games back.
He seemed fine after the play but I remember wincing myself because his shoulder collided hard with the catcher.
Good point -
Thomas’ slide at home cost us dearly, did it not? Isn’t that the origin of his injury? I know we’re desperate to score runs, but c’mon – no run is worth a player’s health.
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Ryan Sweeney is hurting because of slide to home as well
I blame Tony D.
Procrastinators unite....tomorrow
maybe Miggy and Byrnes and Ramon and Jeremy were wiser than we thought
He's a very personable, sweet, nice chimp. He's not going to be aggressive unless he's provoked. @('.')@
Byrnes slid
He just missed the plate, seemed in shock / pain, never went back to touch it.
Or perhaps we just learn to slide
my goodness, there’s no reason why a basic, fundamental part of the game ought to cause us such angst.
Both Thomas and Chavez showed us exactly how not to slide.
I needed a team so I wouldn’t turn into one of the eighty million pink hat-wearing Bud Light-drinking mulleted idiots at Fenway.
Don't forget Eveland
“I would have scored with a hook slide…but I don’t know how to hook slide.”
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I've been hearing Garrett Atkins (Rockies) could be on the trading block
granted his numbers are inflated by Coors Field but he still would be a better bat than Mr. Hanna-swing out my shoes-han. not sure about his defense but according to yahoo he can play 1st and 3rd. hhmm is he right handed? Whatever, if he is replacing Chavy or Jack it wouldn’t matter.
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Atkins, 2008 -
Yes, only OPSing .661 on the road (.967 at home), but how about these splits:
vs. RHP: .266/.302/.395
vs. LHP: .460/.478/1.271
Holy moo.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
BTW, career home/away splits -
Coors Field: .338/.397/.535 (.933 OPS)
Away Games: .268/.336/.428 (.763 OPS)
He’s 28.5 years old – we could certainly do worse.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
MRI Finds Inflammation, Start of Rehab Two Weeks Off
As was just posted in the wrapup on oaklandathletics.com, the MRI on Chavez’ throwing shoulder found enough inflammation for him to be shut down for two weeks, when he is scheduled to begin rehab. Sigh.
I don't think he's going to escape another surgery,
reconstructive on the right shoulder – maybe not, but we’ll see. And as with last year, I’m just thinking, “If it’s going to lead to that, do it NOW.”
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I guess this was the basis for the rumors of us being interested in Beltre.
What about Barry?
"Barry who?" Forst said, and I felt like I was in the middle of a knock-knock joke.
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