BREAKING NEWS: Inoa signs with A's!
I know that we've discussed this topic at length just two days ago here, but I thought this was worthy of a new thread for two key reasons:
1.) Two days ago, it was a verbal agreement, which is always tenuous in the Wild West that is Latin American prospect signings, rife with broken promises and questionable information. As of tonight, it's an actual announcement from the 6-foot-7, 16-year-old Inoa himself that he and the A's have reached an agreement. Beane and A's director of player personnel Billy Owens have a press conference scheduled for today in Santo Domingo to announce the deal.
2.) The negotiations got a heck of lot more interesting than they were just two days ago in the last 24 hours. According to Inoa, the Rangers offered him a $5.2 million signing bonus, and the Reds offered him $5 million and a major-league contract. (More on that below*).
You can read the ESPN article with a quote from Inoa here, and Mychael Urban has a related article on the team site as well. Here is a scouting report on Inoa from Kiley McDaniel at saberscouting.com.

ANALYSIS:
While the A's paid $4.25 million to sign Michel Inoa - nearly double the previous high for an International signee of this type - it's noteworthy that they were actually outbid...and still won.
This was like a high-profile, blue-chipper college football recruiting pitch, and the A's played it perfectly.
Beane and several other front office personnel came out to see Inoa personally several times, developed a personal relationship, and clearly invested a lot of their time and resources in the Latin American market in this one player. Unlike many other teams, the A's weren't negotiating with any of the other 5-15 million-dollar international players that will sign today or tomorrow; they made him feel like he was their top choice and only "big ticket" choice through the entire process.
I doubt Beane gets to play the role of recruiter much, but I'll also bet he was pretty good at it, from what we know about his personality.
*Here's why the Reds' offer of a major-league contract is so significant, and why we as fans should be pleased the A's were able to sign him without one:
With a ML contract, Inoa's team would have to use an option year on him immediately, and he'd have to stick in the major leagues for good by age 20 to avoid being exposed to the 29 other teams. It's incredibly rare for a 20-year-old to be major-league ready; there are only two in the league right now (Justin Upton and Clayton Kershaw, and both have struggled). A major-league contract at age 16 would lead to the parent club pushing the prospect far faster than his natural development, and perhaps negatively alter the path of his career as a result. This is exactly the path that Wily Mo Pena's career has followed after being signed to a major league contract in 1998 at age 16 for a then-record $2.44 million bonus.
But instead, by signing Inoa to a minor-league contract, they've ensured the best-case scenario in terms of his development. In five years, he'll have to be Rule 5 protected and added to the 40-man roster, when he is either 20 or 21 years old. At that point, the A's will have three option years on him, to allow him to acclimate to the big leagues or keep him in Sacramento if he struggles. But the wonderful thing is, there won't be any pressure for him to stick in the big leagues full-time until he's 24 years old...at which point the A's would have contractual control over him until he reached free agency right around his 30th birthday.
So, as wierd as this sounds, the A's are about to embark on a relationship with Inoa that could last longer than he's been alive so far.
Last thought on signing 16 year-old International prospects and the Rule 5 draft:
Many commenters in the previous Inoa thread remarked that they'd prefer to spend $500K on eight International signees rather than $4MM on just one. I would argue the opposite and advocate exactly what the A's have done here, for a few important reasons:
a.) A ton of work and relationship-building went into signing Inoa alone. It would be impossible to have the resources to put an effective full-court press on literally every major ($500K and above) prospect (there's around 10-15 of these types per year), just as no one major-college football or basketball team gets ALL the McDonald's All-Americans. Picture the scene in Jerry Maguire when Jerry loses the star quarterback, Cush, because he's showing off Rod Tidwell at a critical moment. Every hour Beane and Owens spend courting one prospect is time that isn't being spent courting someone else (and that guy often eventually signs with a team that devoted their time and energy in him).
b.) Inoa was viewed as a "generational" talent - not just the best in this International class, but the best in years. I suspect the A's have gotten ahead of a curve here, and that the next such "generational" talent - in say, 4 years or so - will cost $10MM or more. Yes, for a 16 year-old. You could say that's lunacy, but people say that with baseball inflation every year. And the reality is, it will still be a hell of lot cheaper for the A's to rub shoulders with the league's richest teams in the Dominican than it will be to out-bid them in FA.
c.) The next eight-best prospects behind Inoa are considered an echelon below him at this point. So, while we're unsure that Inoa will look promising at age 21, we're even less sure that those eight guys will. Can you imagine having to devote EIGHT 40-man roster spots in the 2014 off-season to protecting those guys from the Rule 5 draft??? That's eight Javier Herreras - players with tantalizing upside but far from big-league ready, and potentially they never will be. It's a lose-lose scenario: Either the team leaves a few of those 8 unprotected in the Rule 5, and potentially loses a pretty significant investment of time and money; or, they protect eight Javi Herreras, which has negative ripple effects on the quality and depth of the big league team (which, incidentally, is supposed to pretty deep and pretty darn good in 2013 when those guys would need to be protected).
This was a good year and a good opportunity to go for one big fish rather than diversify.
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While I love that we've signed him especially at an undermarket price
I am kinda sad that we won’t be negotiating with any of the other top talents. We have a lot of elite pitching and very few elite hitting prospects now (well until we trade Harden for Gamel and LaPorta and Blanton for LaRoche).
I guess our top pitching prospects after this signing would go:
Cahill
Anderson
Gio
Inoa
Leon
Simmons
H-Rod
Mazzaro
FDLS
Jose Garcia
Italiano
Lansford
Blevins
Carignan
Demel
Jay Marshall
Talk about depth.
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by vignette17 on Jul 2, 2008 3:12 AM PDT 0 recs
I'd include Braden if you're including Blevins, Garcia, Carignan, Demel and Marshall
by WaddellCanseco on
Jul 2, 2008 8:46 AM PDT
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Heck, I'd put Meyer above Marshall...
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by PaulThomas on
Jul 2, 2008 9:15 AM PDT
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Wow
That is some depth. Could you include Ross and the Pepperdine guy (Hunter?) as well? I like what the A’s are doing. Now we just need some bats.
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by sprtsnwyn on Jul 2, 2008 5:17 AM PDT 0 recs
Ross was placed on the minor league DL....
that’s enough to make you nervous when you consider his unconventional delivery.
FYI – Paramore made his debut for AZL – Athletics and went 1-2. So much for him being on the minor league 60-day DL
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by athleticsBB4life on
Jul 2, 2008 7:29 AM PDT
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You can't include Hunter
He hasn’t signed yet, and it’s not at all certain that he will. He’s a possible first-round pick next year if he goes back to college and stays healthy.
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by PaulThomas on
Jul 2, 2008 9:11 AM PDT
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Ah
I was under the impression he was a senior this past season. My bad.
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by sprtsnwyn on
Jul 2, 2008 10:02 AM PDT
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Wow
I still can’t believe we got this kid, i hope he turns out to be everything as advertised. Way to go A’s!
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by nickatt7 on Jul 2, 2008 5:53 AM PDT 0 recs
You forgot to mention one thing
Keeping 8 Javier Herrera’s on the 40 man roster would drive me insane.
Inoa is a great signing, if for no other reason it put’s the A’s money where their mouth is when it comes to future negotiations in Latin America. Oakland wasn’t a significant player for a few years, they’ve changed that perception with a bang.
I think your argument re: signing 1 $4 million prospect vs. 8 $500K prospects makes a lot of sense, however, I’d be more inclined to sign 4 $1 million prospects vs. 1 $4 million prospect (or pro player for that matter!) most years.
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by grover on Jul 2, 2008 6:36 AM PDT 0 recs
Except there are only 10 $1M prospects according to McDaniel
Diversification makes sense if you believe young amateurs are like oil wells, and you want as many holes in the ground as you can get. Alternately if you believe in your scouting, you probably are better off focusing on the one(s) your scouts like the best.
On a related note I very strongly disagree with the idea of diversifying free agent dollars on non-superstars who were merely above average during their peak years, rather than going all in on one franchise player. I’d much rather have Alex Rodriguez for $32M per year than Kendall, Loaiza, Kotsay, and Piazza for the same amount. OK Piazza is a superstar but he is much older than the others.
by WaddellCanseco on
Jul 2, 2008 8:54 AM PDT
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The Padres have apparently done what you prefer
they spent $5M on 5 guys, according to DePo:
Before noon eastern time, the Padres had locked up five of the top international prospects from around the globe for a total of nearly $5,000,000.
Adis Portillo is a 16-year old RHP who stand 6’2” (for now). Ranked as the top amateur pitcher in Venezuela, and the 2nd best overall pitching prospect internationally,
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by rfloh on
Jul 2, 2008 11:54 AM PDT
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with the pitching depth the A's hace accumulated you have to believe...
it’s about time we package some of these guys for some offense. I love that the A’s are always competitive, because of their pitching and defense, but thier lack of entertaining/productive offense has been their achiles heel and will prevent them from being a top-tiered team.
think about the late 80’s teams – great pitching and D, extraordinary offense
early 2000 A’s – great pitching and D, productive offense
2008 A’s – great pitching and suitable D, horrendous offense….As A’s fans we have become so numb to what good offense looks like that we think Jack Cust is something special.
I know we have Buck, Gonzalez, Sweeney, Barton but besides Gonzalez, the guys we have at the MLB level or in the minors are never going to lead the franchise to a WS title (IMO)
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by athleticsBB4life on Jul 2, 2008 7:46 AM PDT 0 recs
early 2000 A's
An outfield with Ben Grieve in leftfield, Terrence Long in centerfield, and Matt Stairs or Jeremy Giambi in rightfield isn’t great by any stretch of the imagination.
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by Monday Fan on
Jul 2, 2008 8:59 AM PDT
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oh god don't remind me of that
at least they all had cannon-arms.
Jeremy was safe. He jumped over the tag.
by mrrickyg on
Jul 9, 2008 3:35 PM PDT
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* (minus-Giambi)
Jeremy was safe. He jumped over the tag.
by mrrickyg on
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The A's defense is so much above suitable
Its arguably the best in baseball
by iamawesomer on
Jul 2, 2008 9:28 AM PDT
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Thanks for the write-up
great analysis of the dollar numbers.
I was especially enlightened about the “roster protection” issue and the eventual limitations of the “spray (money) and pray (someone is an eventual ML star)” approach to recruiting ballplayers for the Oakland franchise.
It was quite satisfying to learn that the A’s “saved” a million ($4mill approx vs Red and Texas at $5mill) simply by salesmanship. This is truly American!
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by One won lost won on Jul 2, 2008 8:49 AM PDT 0 recs
Outmanuevering the Competition.
What I love about this process now that it’s over is how Beane and the rest of the organization totally outmanuevered and, dare I say, outclassed, the other suitors in the Inoa derby. Instead of just throwing money at the kid like it seemed the Rangers and Reds did, Beane really established a relationship with the kid and his family and obviously presented him with a persuasive pitch regarding the pitcher development program.
I know that it’s probably peanuts to us, but it also has to say something about this kid and his family that he’d honor what seemed like a commitment made to Beane even after getting offered as much as a $1 million more from other teams. This could all go bust and Inoa could be the next Todd Van Poppel, but it’s all starting off as good as we could’ve hoped.
by Taj Adib on Jul 2, 2008 8:53 AM PDT 0 recs
As you noted earlier, they wisely avoided the major league contract, something which hurt Van Poppel’s development, I believe.
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by Monday Fan on Jul 2, 2008 9:02 AM PDT 0 recs
The A’s might introduce the 6-foot-7 pitcher as “Michael” Inoa, as there have been thoughts about anglicizing his name after he signed.
He's a very personable, sweet, nice chimp. He's not going to be aggressive unless he's provoked. @('.')@
by monkeyball on Jul 2, 2008 9:04 AM PDT 0 recs
Ah - I was wondering why the official press release
kept referring to him as “Michael.”
by Faust on
Jul 2, 2008 9:25 AM PDT
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Ah
I had been wondering about this. Some sources (including ESPN and Urban) had already been calling him Michael, while others (including Baseball America, and the Chron/sfgate) had been using Michel.
I was wondering if we should call him Michael Michele. Or Jairo.
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by andeux on
Jul 2, 2008 9:41 AM PDT
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Why not "Mychael"?
Since Urban himself turned out to be such a successful major league pitcher and all…
by Taj Adib on
Jul 2, 2008 10:02 AM PDT
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Not Urban Enough
He's a very personable, sweet, nice chimp. He's not going to be aggressive unless he's provoked. @('.')@
by monkeyball on
Jul 2, 2008 10:05 AM PDT
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Well, I'll say this much
If I was a university president, Beane would have a standing offer to become my athletic director…
He definitely hasn’t lost “it,” whatever you want to call it (charm? chutzpah? charisma?).
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by PaulThomas on Jul 2, 2008 9:20 AM PDT 0 recs
I don't know, but it has to start with a "ch"
Children, until we have taught them better, will be perfectly happy with a seasonal round of games in which conkers succeeds hopscotch.
by salb918 on
Jul 2, 2008 10:06 AM PDT
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Wouldn't that be a bit pointless, he'd never take the job.
by OldhamA on
Jul 2, 2008 10:30 AM PDT
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yeah, but it's pointless like an honorary doctorate...
which is a very meaningful kind of pointlessness…
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by Gaijin_Suketto on
Jul 2, 2008 2:09 PM PDT
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I really like
this quote from Inoa:
After careful thought, my parents and I decided that Oakland has a better pitcher development program, and that will be more important for my career in the long haul
First, because it means the A’s success in developing pitchers over the last decade is paying some secondary dividends. And second, because 4 or 5 million dollars must be a ton of money to someone from the Dominican Republic. Hell, it’s a ton of money for most Americans. But Inoa and his parents are already looking at what’s best for his career farther down the road, not just maximizing his short-term payoff from winning the genetic lottery. That has to be a good sign.
"May a nit suck Cajun geese?" wonders Red. No, we see gnu Jack Cust in a yam.
by andeux on Jul 2, 2008 9:45 AM PDT 0 recs
Makes sense, too.
If the A’s can really develop him better than the other pitchers, he stands to make that million or so back during arbitration.
Children, until we have taught them better, will be perfectly happy with a seasonal round of games in which conkers succeeds hopscotch.
by salb918 on
Jul 2, 2008 10:07 AM PDT
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Just playing in the Coliseum, if he gets there
will easily be worth the million in arbitration.
It’s not easy to explain park factors to a non-baseball fan in a 3-hour arbitration hearing.
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by PaulThomas on
Jul 2, 2008 12:02 PM PDT
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I love this signing
He’s got more potential than any of our other prospects. More risk than most too of course. All of these pitchers and OFers will hopefully open the door for a Miguel Cabrera type trade for a superstar with a year or two left on his contract who is very young that can be signed longterm once the new stadium is built. I feel like these types of moves will bring a WS to the A’s.
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by niallmack on Jul 2, 2008 9:48 AM PDT 0 recs
When you're already getting a ton of money, you can select the destination of your choice.
And that is what Inoa has done here. Its what most MLB players really should look at, but what the Players Union discourages-signing with the team you want to be with and not taking the top offer.
A week or so ago on MLB Trade Rumors in a discussion about Inoa choosing between the Reds, Rangers and Athletics, I tried to take a nuetral position and look at it, and concluded that I’d sign, in order: A’s, Reds, Rangers. The A’s have great success developing pitchers, the Reds are either average or below average, and the Rangers are horrendous. And that basically came out to be something like that. Inoa believed in the A’s pitching development system enough to leave $1 million on the shelf to sign with the A’s rather than just follow the immidiete money and go with the Rangers, who we all know, have developed so many great starters that have appeared in Texas… though I will give them credit, the few pitching prospects that have escaped Texas have done well.
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by Zonis on Jul 2, 2008 9:59 AM PDT 0 recs
If I was a top pitching prospect, there is no way in HELL I'd sign with a team employing Dusty Baker as manager.
by mikev on
Jul 2, 2008 10:08 AM PDT
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Or...
to go to the Rangers for that matter, regardless of their manager.
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by TexasAsfan on
Jul 2, 2008 11:32 AM PDT
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But
The Reds have had great success developing Rangers pitching prospects
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by niallmack on
Jul 2, 2008 11:38 AM PDT
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They've had good success developing A's pitching prospects too
Of course, that just begs the question of what they’re doing with their OWN pitching prospects…
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by PaulThomas on
Jul 2, 2008 12:03 PM PDT
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Harang might disagree with that right now. Isn't his line Zito-like.
by theblackpearl on
Jul 2, 2008 12:12 PM PDT
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No
His numbers look pretty much exactly like they always do. A .331 BABIP and no run support aren’t his problem.
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by PaulThomas on
Jul 2, 2008 12:46 PM PDT
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Ehh, even if you look only at just raw ERA
he’s nowhere close to being Zito like. His ERA is 4.47. League average ERA in Cincinnati is also 4.47.
Zito’s ERA is 5.99. League average ERA in SF is 4.26.
Also, Harang’s K / BB rate is still phenomenal, in line with his previous 2 seasons. He is giving up more HRs than the previous 2 seasons. The rest is probably bad D from the Reds. He’s not the only Reds pitcher sabotaged by their D. Arroyo is another one.
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