Duke questions team's direction
Don't say that I can blame him, but personally I would rather the ace of the staff just suck it up and take the ball every five days.
http://www.insidebayarea.com/ci_9929305?source=most_viewed
"It's tough. I played with all three of those guys for a while," Duchscherer said before Friday's 7-1 A's loss to the New York Yankees. "Sometimes you wonder as a player what the organization is doing, giving up on the season or what? But I'm just going to go out there and do my best to help us win."
...and
"As a player, obviously we want to go out there and win. We're trying to win a World Series. I believe as an organization that's our goal also," Duchscherer said. "(But) when you start trading these three guys within 10 or 15 days, you start thinking, 'Are we trying to get guys in here that are going to help us get to there, or are we trying to rebuild because they don't think we're good enough this season?'"
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Doesn't sound like he's with the program
Beane usually doesn’t like that
When you have a chance to get a guy like Sean Gallagher, you take it!
by WaddellCanseco on Jul 19, 2008 10:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
So what?
Beane very likely was shopping Duke around, pointing at his shiny ERA to any GM who would listen, before Duke said this.
Beane has made it pretty clear that he’s rebuilding. It’s not that he traded Harden and Cupcakes. It’s that he’s done nothing to address the piss poor offense, whether via trades, or by talking to the hitter who even last year was one of the best in MLB, who’s willing to play for minimum wage.
In fact, Duke bitching might be good for Duke. If Billy doesn’t like the bitching, the sooner Duke goes to a team that is interested in contending this year.
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by rfloh on Jul 20, 2008 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're saying Duke is trying to pull a "Jay Payton" circa Boston?
He IS crafty.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 20, 2008 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still wonder if Billy
knew how long Thomas, Sweeney and Chavez would be hurt if he would have brought in Barry Bonds. Remember, when Frank and M. Sweeney first got hurt the reports were that the injuries weren’t that serious. It makes no sense to sign Bonds if you have a healthy Thomas and Sweeney. (I don’t want to argue about J. Cust)
However, I wonder if in late May the doctor tells Beane that THomas and Sweeney will miss all of June and July if he doesn’t give Barry a call. It wouldn’t have cost him at all in the rebuilding plans. I doubt that a team drawing crowds as small as the A’s would have had to worry about fan boycotts and such.
It was reported in the winter in the SF Chron. that Barry was most likely going to the A’s – obviously they were wrong but it would appear that there was some interest.
by Yellowhorse on Jul 20, 2008 11:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blarg
Blame the crappy offense, which hasn’t been changed at all by trades (if anything, Murton should make us better). The Harden trade weakened our rotation to be sure, but Gallagher is the youngest player on our roster and probably all of Sacramento’s roster too and he’s been pretty damn good so far. And I’m pretty sure ANYONE could do just about as good of a job as Blanton has done this year. 12 losses, ERA around 5. Bleh. Replacing him probably makes us BETTER in fact. If we called up Gio, I doubt he’d be as bad as Blanton has been this year. Hell, I think Cahill would be better.
These two trades sure don’t seem like throwing in the towel to me. Maybe Duke can tell his shitty offense to pick their nuts up and start hitting like major leaguers should (I’ll exclude Sweeney from this, he’s been good).
by hibachi7_7_7 on Jul 19, 2008 10:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
zactly...
I’d post 1, but I’m kinda sick of it. If Blanton had managed to pitch well enough to win just half of his losses, the A’s would be the toast of baseball, right now. Gio or Cahill won’t be any worse in his spot. Braden or Dinardo probably will be equally as bad. Call up the young pitchers. Hopefully, Devine gets healthy in the next couple of weeks. I can’t imagine anyone giving up anything of quality for Street, but the sooner Devine is back the sooner Billy can start entertaining C prospects for Huston.
Actually, I don’t know what the fuck Billy is thinking. Hannahan, Murphy and Barton aren’t going to add wins this season. Give somebody else a chance. I’m not that high on Petit, but what the hell. I actually like what Bankston has done during his short stint. I don’t care if Barton is healthy soon, if Bankston continues doing what he’s doing, he’s earned the 1b job for the rest of the season in my book.
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by FoolshGame22 on Jul 19, 2008 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
obviously, AN 3.0 doesn't like...
the plus sign posted without all that fancy html code in front of it.
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by FoolshGame22 on Jul 19, 2008 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Duke to pitch every day
Sweeney takes all the at bats and Ziggy to close every game….we would be really good. But reality is…..we are sucking pretty bad right now. And Duch has to be sharing the sentiment of everyone on here right now, which is where is our offense?
"the A's need more quality preembreetive pitching" ~monkeyball
by OptimistPrime on Jul 19, 2008 10:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
no no Duke, dont upset billy...
duke be grateful you even got a chance to start again
build up that trade value
duke you are a pawn on billy’s chess board…he gone!!
by Asfan4ever723 on Jul 19, 2008 10:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Duke's playing poker.
Translate his comments to
“trade me too, motherfu@%er!”
"All managers are losers, they are the most expendable pieces of furniture on the face of the Earth."- Ted Williams
by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 20, 2008 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Duke's playing pinball.
Translate his comments to
“TILT!”
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 20, 2008 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We're both right,
because you can tilt as much in poker as you can in pinball.
"All managers are losers, they are the most expendable pieces of furniture on the face of the Earth."- Ted Williams
by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 20, 2008 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
his comments are really not so bad.
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
by xbhaskarx on Jul 19, 2008 10:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ya Chavez said much the same thing after the Hudson and Mulder trades
When you have a chance to get a guy like Sean Gallagher, you take it!
by WaddellCanseco on Jul 19, 2008 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
look whats happened to him
a worst fate than traded
by rightbackin on Jul 20, 2008 1:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
*worse
eh grammar….why can’t i edit…
by rightbackin on Jul 20, 2008 1:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oy, you're frigging eight games out of first place
Yes. It’s rebuilding. This isn’t bloody rocket science here.
This is where it might be beneficial for Beane to just come out and say “You know what, we’re sellers. Doesn’t mean we won’t buy if the right offer comes along, but basically, we’re sellers at this point.” He doesn’t even have to say it publicly, though I have no doubt word would get out even if it was just to the team. And it’s nothing that isn’t obvious to everyone anyway.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Jul 19, 2008 11:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
poor Duke... after Street, and maybe Ellis...
he’s the next to go. Can’t blame a player for thinking, with his heart, perhaps, that they had a shot this year, with Harden and Blanton. Didn’t work out. Had Thomas, MSweeney, Chavez and Devine stayed healthy, our offense wouldn’t have sucked nearly as bad and Billy could’ve dumped Street early on, at a higher value.
Oh well… next year.
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by FoolshGame22 on Jul 19, 2008 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"This isn’t bloody rocket science here."
Tell that to the Pirates… and Royals… and…
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by Zonis on Jul 19, 2008 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When I said it wasn't rocket science
I meant “figuring out that a team is rebuilding,” not the process of rebuilding itself. Rebuilding a team is not easy at all.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Jul 19, 2008 11:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
4 games out a week ago.
Right after we dumped our best starting pitcher.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
by jeepers on Jul 20, 2008 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't dump MY best starting pitcher
mostly because I don’t have one.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Jul 20, 2008 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if this is a
“don’t refer to the team you follow as ‘we’ or ‘us’” comment, +1.
"It's not my fault your team's so shitty." -Steve Friend, head coach, Chabot College, to Laney College's head coach, who asked why we scored so many runs after we beat Laney 30-3 in 2006
by flipgatey3 on Jul 20, 2008 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why that bothers people so much is beyond me.
I’ve put several thousand dollars into that team.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
by jeepers on Jul 20, 2008 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't mind fans referring to the A's as "we"
What bugs me is that the A’s players never refer to my co-workers as “we”.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 20, 2008 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
to me
it’s because out of my friends, the people that use “we” or “us” are the ones that think they know everything there is to know, but they don’t.
it’s more or less a connotation thing on my part.
"It's not my fault your team's so shitty." -Steve Friend, head coach, Chabot College, to Laney College's head coach, who asked why we scored so many runs after we beat Laney 30-3 in 2006
by flipgatey3 on Jul 20, 2008 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A couple notes:
First, in the gameday thread everyone was bitching about Street. In fact, one person even dropped F’bombs when talking about Street. I mentioned that Street has nothing to do with the decision to make him close games. If he’s not good enough to close then it’s Geren and Beane’s job to not make him close. Street can only be as good as he is… so why personally attack him?
This same logic applies to those pissed at our offense. When you put a lineup of crappy hitters, why do you attack them for being crappy? It’s not their fault they’re in the lineup. You can’t just tell Murphy to “pick his nuts up” and start hitting. If he’s not that good, then he can “pick his nuts up” all day but won’t get any better.
PS – I like both trades Beane made.
"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra
by brenarlo on Jul 19, 2008 11:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This is a future sigline
You can’t just tell Murphy to "pick his nuts up" and start hitting. If he’s not that good, then he can "pick his nuts up" all day but won’t get any better.
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by notsellingjeans on Jul 20, 2008 2:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too long
A good sigline should fit in one deck at normal column width.
Those few siglines that run for three or four lines are already monstrosities, and then when they end up deep in the reply tree, indented to the minimal column, they get even worse. Does AN3 impose any limit at all? I mean, what is stopping anyone from writing a 50-line sigline, other than decency and taste?
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by iglew on Jul 20, 2008 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
take a look at golden state of mind
there are some monstrosities of siglines on there. 61ixty mostly.
"It's not my fault your team's so shitty." -Steve Friend, head coach, Chabot College, to Laney College's head coach, who asked why we scored so many runs after we beat Laney 30-3 in 2006
by flipgatey3 on Jul 20, 2008 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Duke is frustrated
as with the rest of us because we are looking for the team to produce but they are just simply overmatched right now. Looking for blame, its easy to shift it to the GM for the trades but like its mentioned earlier, the guys we have just suck! We can’t have them pick up there game because believe me they still want jobs after the season is up!
Beating LAA or wherever the fu*k they are, Priceless!
by MMunoz33 on Jul 20, 2008 8:51 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Nobody likes to think that the boss
looked at a team in contention and concluded “We’re not good enough to keep this up,” but it’s the harsh truth – and I’d be hard pressed to argue with Billy on that evaluation. It is, however, demoralizing to a team and I am not surprised they’re tanking. They don’t have great talent AND their spirit is broken – that’s a deadly combination.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 20, 2008 9:03 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
Beating LAA or wherever the fu*k they are, Priceless!
by MMunoz33 on Jul 20, 2008 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Sadly
1) Given that Duke has been ill,
2) Along with the fact that the team is tanking
3) Today’s lineup being one of the worst you could ever NOT want to see
Hope there is plenty of water in the tank so they don’t hit their heads on the bottom.
P.S. Daric, You are on the DL so you don’t have to tank again
by Trainman on Jul 20, 2008 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beane made that assessment during the offseason
when he did so he went ahead with the Haren trade.
In the offseason who knew if Harden and Duke would be healthy, and if Duke would be a very successful starter? The A’s did better than anyone expected during the first half—especially during the first few months. But injuries and a lack of top offensive talent have basically indicated that the offseason analysis was correct.
But if I was a player busting my butt it certainly wouldn’t make me feel excited to see my teammates being traded around me.
by OaklandSi on Jul 20, 2008 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
This offense wasn’t all of a sudden going to start putting up 6 or 7 runs a game. The only thing I’m concerned with isn’t getting rid of players, but not acquiring any impact, or even improved, offensive players over the last year through trades. Maybe Murton is an upgrade, but it doesn’t matter when he isn’t playing any more than DFA.
Might as well Jump! - Van Halen
by sprtsnwyn on Jul 20, 2008 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But do they still have their nuts????
(:0 ????
by mrod on Jul 20, 2008 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I pretty much agree.
Granted, this team is naturally streaky anyway, but I have wondered if their recent downward spiral isn’t at least partially due to the negative vibes with “breaking up” a team?
And, when does it stop? When every last player over 27 and/or with 2+ yrs of service have been purged? Is any kind of “veteran” presence left for next year? Or, is that veteran presence something that they expect to fill-in piecemeal in each off-season with the likes of Mike Sweeney, etc.?
This is just my opinion, but unless the next trade can bring in a serious bat or two, then I think it needs to stop. I believe that with every trade that any expectation of real success is pushed out that much further. They have pitching out the yin-yang, and I’ve always believed a good mix of experience and youth is a good foundation. That, and I also believe that winning begets winning, and a serious 87-75 2nd place finih would help propel the team into 2009 much better than a weak 79-83 finish, regardless how many prospect were obtained.
I fear that we’ll end up with a team so completely void of experience that truly challenging can’t happen until 2011 at the soonest, but panic mode might start to set in in 2010 and we’ll do this all over again. Basically, I fear the A’s becoming another Royals/Pirates, only more self-delusional in thinking they’re actually making progress.
You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all. ~Earl Weaver
by UncleLeo on Jul 20, 2008 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Winning sure begot winning for the Mariners, amirite?
Also: have you ever seen Beane in “panic mode”? He knows what he’s doing.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Jul 20, 2008 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Were you being obtuse by choice, or was it unavoidable?
I know some people need disclaimers, but most realize exceptions to a rule don’t necessarily invalidate the rule itself. I can cherry-pick my examples, too… Red Sox, Braves, just to name two.
Besides, I think you missed the deeper point of my post. It didn’t have anything that could be easily quantified on a spreadsheet.
You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all. ~Earl Weaver
by UncleLeo on Jul 20, 2008 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, I believe I missed the deeper point of your post because it didn't have any
Other than a bunch of baseless speculation.
Maybe that WAS the point.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Jul 20, 2008 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then again...
...I’m not alone in having observed a marked social cluelessness, and general inability to catch the nuances of basic human interaction, on your part. so it’s not like this is a huge surprise. But thank you for playing. ;-)
Do you have any good numbers for home/away splits for A’s of Mongolian heritage during regular season day games in October against ambidexterous pitchers?
You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all. ~Earl Weaver
by UncleLeo on Jul 20, 2008 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The second paragraph cracked me up
I’ve never heard anything like it.
"We've come a long way, and I'm not talking about Virginia Slims, either." - Art Howe
by EastCoastA on Jul 20, 2008 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a trick question -
you have to adjust for “park factor” and there’s no word for “VORP” in Mongolian.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 20, 2008 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have
Really.
Although I believe the exact line used in the book I read was something like “the combined batting average of all gay Yankee switch hitters batting left handed in the second half of twi-night doubleheaders in the months of June and July.”
Weirdly, this was actually in a book about football.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Jul 20, 2008 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let me just put this in as simple of terms as possible.
Do not reply to another of my posts in this manner.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Jul 20, 2008 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sports is more than player projections
There is no doubt the loss of 3 good veteran players during a season will hurt the morale of the club. The players, including the young stars (who in theory will be in this great team of 2010) want to win now. They are competitors and they are proud otherwise they wouldn’t be in the majors.
There are some fears that the team could stumble over the next few years but that’s why they play the games. I think the Pirates have been bad because they have made horrendous trades when it was time to deal.
GM Beane, when trading stars has made many good moves.
by Yellowhorse on Jul 21, 2008 12:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
Beane is doing the correct thing, but that doesn’t mean that a competitive 32 year old athlete at the peak of his career has to like it. I would be pissed too given that the squad had played well and had a punchers chance at the postseason. Great point about their spirit being broken….Huston Street could bring down the best of warriors.
by DKNJ on Jul 20, 2008 9:20 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Jairo Duchscherer
Prince: This bores me. Is anyone up for a game of basketball?
by baseb3383 on Jul 20, 2008 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good for him.
He should be confused about being close to the playoffs and giving up. Maybe he wants to go somewhere he can win, before it’s too late. He isn’t getting any younger.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
by jeepers on Jul 20, 2008 10:49 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Duke is gone before the deadline.
I’m calling it.
by VORP is too nerdy on Jul 20, 2008 2:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Leader
Maybe Duke is saying what all the young guys in the clubhouse are thinking but dare not say. I’m glad that Duke and possibly others on the team feel this way because it shows competitiveness and character. It’s easy for fans to intellectualize it and understand it and agree with it but I’m not sure I’d want the players to do this. Far from being a reason to trade Duke I think, if anything, it’s a reason to keep him. The young guys need to have players like Duke and Ellis around in my opinion.
by Larry E on Jul 20, 2008 2:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't have any doubt that what Duke voiced
is being thought by all his teammates. It’s being thought and voiced by most fans, and it’s not “out of left field” – it’s exactly what you would expect players and fans to think and feel. That doesn’t mean Billy isn’t doing the right thing; it does suggest he hasn’t communicated it clearly or effectively to the team, perhaps.
I would like the team (and fans) to hear a clear statement that, “Yes, we are compromising something in 2008 to get better, for longer, in the future – but we want you to know that we plan to be better a lot sooner than people may think, and that 2008 is NOT a lost cause because all the experience gained right now will help make this team highly competitive in 2009. That’s right, not 2011, not 2010. 2009. Play ball, guys!”
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 20, 2008 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure if I agree
I think that Beane has said just about everything he can realistically say in public. Can he really get away unscathed with bluntly saying word for word that he is sacrificing this year for the good of the organization. If anyone can I guess he would be the one. But I think that too many people and media would just hear the giving up on the team part and not understand the bigger picture (Moneyball anyone?). I think he basically has said it without directly saying it (e.g., this trade makes us a stronger team in the future, we”re eithe something special or we”re building something special etc).
I don’t necessarily think it is a good idea to directly tell your team the short and long term plans either. I would imagine there would be a subtle inclination for the players not to give everything they’ve got once they knew for sure that the leadership has little interest in competing this year. Sure, in theory, that shouldn’t happen because they are paid very well to give their best regardless but I’m sure it would be a mental battle for some.
Another factor is that there is no guarantee that the players on this team will be on the 2009 team let alone the next 3-5 years. Maybe it’s just the 5 game losing streak but I”m finding it harder and harder to believe that the A’s will be “highly competitive” next year. (Can the offence really be turned around that quickly?) Competitive perhaps.
by Larry E on Jul 20, 2008 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My feeling about 2009 is that if you plug in one real hitter
(let’s say Burrell just for sake of argument, since he’s legit and will be a FA – not suggesting the A’s will, or should, go after him), and Chavez comes back just reasonably strong, you can be competitive as follows:
Your rotation starts the season something like Duchscherer, Gallagher, Smith, Eveland, Gio Gonzalez, with a AAA rotation of Simmons, Cahill, B. Anderson, Mazzaro, Meyer. From that you should be able to put together a solid rotation of five pitchers who are ready to excel at the major league level (maybe Simmons or Cahill beats out Eveland in March, or comes up in May – you go with the best “ready five” in that group).
Your bullpen (unless something changes) looks good with the “best and healthiest” of Street, Ziggy, Casilla, Devine, Blevins, and Embree in the mix for high leverage innings.
Your lineup looks something like:
R. Sweeney – RF
Ellis – 2B
Chavez – 3B
“Burrell” – LF
Gonzalez – CF
Cust – DH
Suzuki – C
Barton – 1B
Crosby – SS
with guys like Murton and maybe Bankston and Patterson in the mix for depth/bench.
I think that team could compete for the playoffs in 2009.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 20, 2008 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really think Thomas or M. Sweeney will be back
both have said that they want to play 1 more year. I would keep one of them as an insurance policy for Cust. Neither will command a big salary.
by Yellowhorse on Jul 21, 2008 12:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thomas maybe, I'd say no way to M. Sweeney
Not only do I think his body is physically done, but even healthy he does not provide the power the A’s need to get out of that position. Great guy, maybe could be offered a coaching position in the organization.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 21, 2008 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He can play first base and be the hitting coach for AAA Sacramento...
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Jul 21, 2008 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its tough to say "we are compromising..." in part because they charge an admission
Now if the team made your statement and lowered the ticket prices in 2008….
I also agree that the team can and will win in 2009.
I still haven’t given up on 2008. The Angels might be too far away but
1- teams further back have won the Wild Card.
2- we are getting some good hitters back.
3- its going to be very tough with all the great teams in the AL for someone to run away with the wild card. Everyone will be beating up on each other
by Yellowhorse on Jul 21, 2008 12:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Duke Doesn't Read AN
If he did, he’d know that the recent trades actually make the A’s better RIGHT NOW, and that Billy isn’t waiving the white flag on 2008. Because that’s what we keep reading on AN again and again. Just as we read it last year when we traded Milton Bradley for Aaron Brown. Silly doubters. That trade obviously helped the A’s right away, too …
Of course, there’s always the alternative possibility that many on AN are INSANE, and Duke is right to be discouraged about this year … But as evidenced by the many comments above, Duke needs to remember that this team is all about the general manager. He should just shut his yap. To question the trades and the curiously simultaneous timing of the A’s collapse out of the pennant race is to doubt Billy, which is simply unallowable.
Once Harden breaks his back tomorrow night, we’ll have the evidence.
by solotar on Jul 20, 2008 9:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You must not read AN very carefully
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 20, 2008 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is amazing
We’re now up to the FIFTH time you have posted this, and not only have you STILL failed to explain how the team would have been better off without trading Bradley, you haven’t even figured out how to spell the name of the guy they traded him for.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Jul 21, 2008 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bradley would be a great improvement in the offense in 2007 and 2008
Well, it seemed to me that they DFA Bradley at a time when they had a full contingent of outfielders in 2007. However, Kotsay and Buck got hurt so he might have helped the team out in taking their spots. Also, they could have moved Swisher from part-time OF to 1B and then Dan Johnson would have been benched/ cut. Certainly, Johnson playing in 2007 had no relevance on the A’s future. So I think Bradley could have helped the team win a few more games in 2007.
Now, some would say he was a bad guy and was trouble in the locker-room. Maybe, but the team did not play better with him gone.
Now if the A’s would have kept him in 2008. He is a top hitter. Maybe not as well due to him playing in Texas. I think the A’s would have planned on him in the OF over Brown, so playing him over Brown wouldn’t have altered long-term plans there. They may not have signed Thomas because J. Cust would have no spot in the OF. I know I would have rather seen Bradley in the OF than Murton or in 2007 Jeff Davannon
by Yellowhorse on Jul 21, 2008 12:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Personally
I’d love to have the best hitter in the American League on the A’s. Just sayin’.
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by jeepers on Jul 21, 2008 6:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK
He wouldn’t be on the A’s.
He was a free agent last offseason. Every single team could have signed him.
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by PaulThomas on Jul 21, 2008 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And he's not even the best hitter on his own team, anyway
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by Nico on Jul 21, 2008 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're aware of how much he signed for in Texas, right?
Heck, the A’s could have re-signed him.
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by jeepers on Jul 21, 2008 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The A's are allowed to sign free agents.
But shipping out talented players because they piss off the GM is another way to build a team, I guess.
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by jeepers on Jul 21, 2008 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think many of the fans are with you
however, Blanton was not really helping that much. I would have liked to see the A’s pick up somebody in trades who could help out the team in the immediate future in the line-up.
by Yellowhorse on Jul 21, 2008 12:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Several thoughts
which echo points others have made…
—Duchscherer’s quotes are really pretty benign when you consider the fact that Beane has thrown in the towel on this season. That doesn’t mean Beane is wrong to do so, but you can’t expect Duke to be thrilled. Shoot, I’m not excited, because the season is basically over.
—Duchscherer was asked to beat the Yankees behind a joke of a lineup. He pitched well, as usual, and got another loss.
—Except when he’s been hurt, Duchscherer has been thoroughly outstanding for years, and only got to be a starter because the team was desperate. And still, the guy works from year to year, with no job security. And when he wants a multi-year deal, Beane tells him to wait. I’m not saying Beane is wrong here, but that’s got to be a little frustrating too.
—Duke’s competitiveness is among his more appealing qualities. He really hates to lose, and this is a valuable quality in your team’s best player. I agree that it is a reason to keep him.
by bear88 on Jul 20, 2008 11:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
There have been 3 Harden/Blanton starts since the trades, and the A's have lost all 3, so it must
be the trade, right. WRONG. The reason the A’s are losing is the offense, and neither Blanton or Harden, even in interleague play, swing the bat very well. Beane didn’t get a major league ready bat, in either trade, which is the only thing, if anything he did wrong. He dealt from his position of strength, pitching. Duke is looking at things from a baseball point of view, the wrong view, that getting rid of “veterans” means throwing in the towel.
by theblackpearl on Jul 21, 2008 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's clarify
First of all, if you’re going to mock, get it right.
Harden would have pitched the first game of the Angels series. Gallagher pitched instead. The A’s won that game.
My point is that I understand Duchscherer’s frustration. I can’t really assess the trades, because I don’t know enough about the prospects the A’s got in return. But the point is that the A’s are sellers. They traded away three starters and got Gallagher and some prospects. These trades may turn out to be great deals. Gallagher certainly has the stuff to be a good starter. One or two of the Phillies prospects may pan out as well.
But outside of Gallagher, who isn’t the elite talent Harden is (when healthy), the A’s got nothing that will help them win this year. They probably didn’t get anything that will help them much next year.
If I’m Duke, on a one-year contract with a team that is on the fringes of contention, I’m going to be mighty discouraged with trades that that basically tell me that management has given up on this season.
The Cubs traded for Harden so he could – if healthy – be a stud starter in the postseason. The Phillies traded for Blanton so he could improve the rotation enough so the team would make the playoffs. The A’s are planning for the future, a future that probably doesn’t include Duke.
I never said the trades, in concept or in actual reality, were bad deals. I did say I don’t blame Duke for not liking them.
by bear88 on Jul 21, 2008 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
bear88, what you're essentially saying
is what I’ve been thinking and that is that fans, players, and Beane are all doing their jobs well.
It is a fan’s job to be impatient and want to win now and to be mad when this is compromised, and it is a player’s job to be competitive and want to win now and to be mad when they don’t have a chance to do so. And it is Beane’s job to ignore the fans and the players sometimes for their own good.
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by Nico on Jul 21, 2008 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can understand the friendship aspect
When you work with someone everyday and they take a new job, it bites. I can’t imagine how much worse it would be when your job is pretty much living with the people for 81 road games.
That said, I think the Duke may be angling for a trade.
by jeffro on Jul 21, 2008 8:57 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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