fAnPoSt Etiquette-marm

Recommended. Agreed.

I told them 'My game is like a blog.' Because I don't know what a blog is, but it don't sound good. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jul 17, 2008 5:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

second that

oops monkeyball beat me…maybe I deserved it.

anyways I third that.

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Jul 17, 2008 5:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

opinions of identicle content

can be submitted in the search box.
no room for them here.

by oakinboston on Jul 17, 2008 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

agreed - and for very short fanposts

the fanshots might be used a bit more

by OaklandSi on Jul 17, 2008 5:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Crap

I was about to submit the following awesome fanpost:

Beane Counter
Hey guys I usually don’t post cause I signed up today but i’m really really pissed Beane doesnt wantto win anymore I mean two of our best pitchers in a week and we only get back a bunch of AAA players i never heard of!!!!

so I’m wondering what you all think of the move. and who could be next? Street???? Ellis? Maybe we can trade Embree for that guy the Marlins got whats his name Maybin? I mean we should go all the way now noone is left anyway. 2015 world championship!!

But then I saw this admonition, and was shamed into deleting it.

by 74mk on Jul 17, 2008 5:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Too bad

I would have recommended it

"May a nit suck Cajun geese?" wonders Red. No, we see gnu Jack Cust in a yam.

by andeux on Jul 17, 2008 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

+10

"The painting was a gift, Todd. I'm taking it with me." -Wedding Crashers

by notsellingjeans on Jul 17, 2008 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Can you believe they traded Harden?!!?

oops, wrong thread :)

"the A's need more quality preembreetive pitching" ~monkeyball

by OptimistPrime on Jul 17, 2008 6:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Thank you, Poppy

I’d also like to add that further etiquette-marming should be done in this fAnPoSt, and not in new ones.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Jul 17, 2008 6:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Dang

and I was about to post a Fanpost on Fanposts posted about posting Fanposts

by SwisherThresher on Jul 17, 2008 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Imagine my dismay when I found out

that all my hard work went for naught when I saw that someone had already posted a Zebulon diary.

Seriously though, thank you Poppy

"the A's need more quality preembreetive pitching" ~monkeyball

by OptimistPrime on Jul 17, 2008 6:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

WELL MR WOLF IS DOING IT AGAIN . its all about his new baseball field.Do you think he cares how the fans fell NOT!!!!!!!!THE TRADE DEADLINE ISNT OVER. CANT WAIT TO SEE WHO GOES NEXT. I LOVE MY TEAM. NOT SO MUCH THE OWNER.

by oak52 on Jul 17, 2008 6:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I agree oak52,the fans fell like we gotz screweed by mr beene.and lou wolf makes bad choice in trads

signed, vegasgm

"the A's need more quality preembreetive pitching" ~monkeyball

by OptimistPrime on Jul 17, 2008 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Totally agree.

Mark Ellis: sent down from Heaven to rob Evil of hits and hand out rainbows

by Jennifer on Jul 17, 2008 6:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

MARMS RULE!

by Englishmajor on Jul 17, 2008 6:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Although I agree with this

I think it’s even more disturbing to see the brutal attacks on the new/confused/earnest-but-not-very-knowledgeable users who create these diaries. It would be nice to give these folks a break.

by Reg on Jul 17, 2008 7:29 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs

Agree, but

there’s a difference between new/confused/earnest and someone who signs up to bray the first thought on their mind in ALLCAPS without bothering to look for the spot where others are already declaiming. There’s a value to learning the ethos of a community before you start yelling at it.

Those were the reasons and that was New York, we were running for the money and the flesh.

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Jul 17, 2008 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Love that word "bray"

ahhhhhhh-uuuhhhhhh-ahhhhhhhhh!

alaska A

by ak_A on Jul 17, 2008 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Is it hot in here, or is it just me?

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 17, 2008 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

So the man wants to sing a little Boyz 2 Men

What’s the problem with that? You don’t haves to get all flustered and bothered by it.

See the latest dumbass thing I've done -- camUra

by hunter on Jul 18, 2008 5:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wait --NOW I'm confused. Poster's remorse -- or continued sarcasm in the vein of the rather brutally funny barrage you loosed just last week?

The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on Jul 17, 2008 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't

In addition to what FSU said, even if it’s halfway literate and not formatted so as to make your eyes bleed, the late-to-the-party fANpOsT that only reiterates what 1000 people have already said clearly indicates that the poster hasn’t read any of the extant commentary, and in fact isn’t at all interested in participating in the AN community. Especially when they’re registering for the first time, instantly posting, and saying or imputing that this deal is the last straw and the end of their A’s fandom.

They’re trolls. Plain and simple.

I told them 'My game is like a blog.' Because I don't know what a blog is, but it don't sound good. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jul 17, 2008 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Do people not have to wait a day before posting anymore?

When I signed up to participate in that night’s game thread oh so many years ago (umm, like 2006), it made me wait 24 hours to play with you guys.

See the latest dumbass thing I've done -- camUra

by hunter on Jul 18, 2008 5:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

The Cubs website made me wait 24 hours

I signed up last week to comment on the Harden trade, and by the time I could actually post, I didn’t want to comment anymore….I like that 24-hour waiting period….

There's no crying in baseball!

by gigglingone on Jul 18, 2008 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hey, if it stopped you from commenting

it can’t be all bad!

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 18, 2008 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree completely!

by gdubb925 on Jul 18, 2008 6:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Better recommend system would help

I can see the argument that you can just ignore the diary spam and check the rec’d ones. But nowadays even a big 10+ recommend number still only keeps you up top for maybe two days tops. The “newness” of the recs seems to have primacy…3 recent recs outweigh 10 in eight hours. Tweaking the system so that the value of recs still aged, but more slowly, would help the community voice vote to keep a worthy topic front and center for longer.

Those were the reasons and that was New York, we were running for the money and the flesh.

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Jul 17, 2008 7:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I could be wrong, and I didn’t get an answer when I posed the question previously, but actually I don’t think the number of recommendations (past three) has any impact whatsoever in present system. Diaries in the top tier roll off in date order, no matter how many recommendations they garner. Once a tier two diary gets three recs, the oldest top tier diary is banished to the ether, whether it has three recommendations or a hundred, and whether it’s been on the list for five hours or five days. grover’s 21 hours-old Duke diary is an excellent illustration of this.

This does seem sub-optimal, but I’d guess the sb nation sites will always remain homogenized to a large degree, meaning that specific-to-AN tweaks are, alas, probably not imminent.

by 74mk on Jul 17, 2008 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's exactly how it works

Usually rec’d diaries are up for a couple days (unless something important happens) but there’s no impact to any rec beyond 3.

I think it works fine, but it’s rare to see a bad post get 3 recs, so the old post is at least getting replaced with quality.

by nevermoor on Jul 17, 2008 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I've recommended exactly 2 things. Ever.

And that’s been in the past two days.

I enjoy posting and reading posts and all that, but only recently has it crossed my mind that if I don’t hit that button, a bunch of silly, repetitive posts might bump the entire thread down.

Can’t we have moderators delete the extra fanposts from now on? Or maybe add some kind of feature that’s the opposite of a recommend button and if there are so many clicks (5?), the post is either deleted or dropped from the main page list. Different from flagging because it’s not going to get anybody kicked off the site, just a way of saying “this post adds nothing new” and making sure everybody doesnt have to click it.

http://bocropleasestopswingingatbadpitches.blogspot.com/

by thejd44 on Jul 18, 2008 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I really, really like that anti-recommend idea.

There's no textbook for how to treat a geriatric tapir.

by Poppy on Jul 18, 2008 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

We could call it the Vegasgm button

by nevermoor on Jul 18, 2008 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

An "unrecommend" button would be helpful

because if the moderators make the judgment calls I can foresee a lot of bickering about the judgment calls. Like what about a short fanpost with an important link but that fails to reach 300 words? As someone who doesn’t visit the DLDs to see every link, I never know whether or not to delete those. Sometimes I really appreciate those posts, yet I don’t like to see “filler filler filler” and enable those who know the rules and break them.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 18, 2008 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

we've been having an "offline" discussion ...

... if a difanparyost is some admixture of superfluous, trollish (i.e., posted immediately by a n00b who obviously hasn’t even glanced at any of the other coverage), incomprehensible, audience-hostile, padded, etc., it’s gonna get deleted.

And the “flag” button does not automatically result in strikes/warnings, nor is it intended solely for that purpose—if you feel a piece satisfies a bunch of the conditions I outlined above (all of which are pretty much spelled out in the CGs) and the mods haven’t yet deleted it, then by all means, FLAG IT! That is the anti-recommend button. Besides, no one but us mods will know who the snitches are.

I told them 'My game is like a blog.' Because I don't know what a blog is, but it don't sound good. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jul 18, 2008 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I forgot you could flag a diary.

I’m using it.

FLAG! 15 yard penalty! Loss of down!

Mark Ellis: sent down from Heaven to rob Evil of hits and hand out rainbows

by Jennifer on Jul 18, 2008 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I had loss of down constantly last night,

and the goose hasn’t called this morning.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 18, 2008 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

that's why the Japanese sleep on rice mats...

...they like to remain on good terms with their geese…

"All managers are losers, they are the most expendable pieces of furniture on the face of the Earth."- Ted Williams

by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 19, 2008 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I love AN

I love how anal you all are. And I’m sick enough to be sincere in saying that. You guys are like the family I never had…well, okay, I had family, but they weren’t a bunch of anal freaks! Okay, they were—that’s why I am, but they weren’t a bunch of anal freaks who loved the A’s…okay, my brother was/is, but neither of my parents were, so…um, you’re kinda like the brother I’ve…always had.

Eh, screw it—-you guys rock!

I’d still rather have Street on my team than K-Rod, just because I hate douchebags. -Taj Adib

by Leopold Bloom on Jul 17, 2008 8:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

This site is definitely going to get some weird banner ads after that comment.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Jul 17, 2008 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Can't be any stranger than

an ad trying to get me to subscribe to a Buffalo Bills newspaper. I’m thinking they might not be reaching their target demographic there…

I’d still rather have Street on my team than K-Rod, just because I hate douchebags. -Taj Adib

by Leopold Bloom on Jul 17, 2008 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not as bad as when I went to a weekend indie rock festival

in Atlanta with a bunch of scenester kids and rebellious rock ‘n roll types. Every day someone was flyering the parking lot and neighborhood with advertisements for next weekend’s Gin Blossoms/Soul Asylum show at the corporate amphitheater.

What a waste of paper that was, I think.

See the latest dumbass thing I've done -- camUra

by hunter on Jul 18, 2008 5:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

something's wrong with AN3...

that last line should have read

by Hunter on Jul 18, 1994 5:36AM PDT

"All managers are losers, they are the most expendable pieces of furniture on the face of the Earth."- Ted Williams

by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 19, 2008 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

they're not trying to get you, they've got andeux in their sights

"Don't be an ass!" --Bill King

by batgirl on Jul 18, 2008 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

There is an AN in "anal."

There's no textbook for how to treat a geriatric tapir.

by Poppy on Jul 18, 2008 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

QOTM

by OaklandSi on Jul 18, 2008 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

yes, unfortunately

"All managers are losers, they are the most expendable pieces of furniture on the face of the Earth."- Ted Williams

by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 19, 2008 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

MILF!!!

Thank goodness you posted this.

I also think that except in very rare cases, a fan post that uses the word “filler” explicitly should be a CGV and summarily deleted. A FanPost without enough to say to meet the word limit is a FanShot.

by nevermoor on Jul 17, 2008 8:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Uh, point of fanniquette here?

It is my understanding that the “M” in “MILF” does not stand for “marm,” nor the “F” for “felicitate.”

The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on Jul 17, 2008 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oh the M stands for Marm.

by nevermoor on Jul 17, 2008 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well, okay then.

I’ll leave you two crazy kids to it.

Whatever your definition of “it” is.

The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on Jul 18, 2008 6:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Count me among those in agreement

If you need “filler,” you don’t have a FanPost.

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by Flashfire on Jul 18, 2008 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Unless you're posting breaking news

I wasn’t around when the Blanton news was breaking yesterday, but to say “ESPN saying Blanton is traded, no link yet” and then “filler” is acceptable, in my opinion. But those are rare, special circumstances. I’m not sure how Zonis handled it originally, but I can see how a very short fanpost would not only be ok, but beneficial to everybody.

http://bocropleasestopswingingatbadpitches.blogspot.com/

by thejd44 on Jul 18, 2008 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

You can still start it off by offering your thoughts and have enough to not need "filler."

Unless someone is more concerned with being the first one to report it, I guess.

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by Flashfire on Jul 18, 2008 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think it's okay to just be the first one to report it,

as long as it’s an actual FACT that’s being reported—as in, “This done deal is being discussed on ESPN (or KNBR) right now.” for those of us who often go to AN for news before turning on the TV or radio.

There's no textbook for how to treat a geriatric tapir.

by Poppy on Jul 18, 2008 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah

I agree there are rare cases, and that’s an example.

Another was the Futures Game one where it wasn’t a game blog, so no one did a fancy lineup, etc. It basically said “The Futures Game is starting and there’s no main page entry. Discuss”

Basically, if it’s someone who has been a major part of the community (i.e. substantially more activity than me), they’ve probably got a valid reason. Otherwise, it’s a good indication that there is no FanPost.

by nevermoor on Jul 18, 2008 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

This is an excellent topic

and since we can’t change the less-than-ideal way that SB Nation treats the recommended fanposts, we as a community and mods should certainly consider doing the best we can to make well-thought out, compelling diaries easy for everyone to find and read.

For a comparison, the Mariners’ blog deletes fanposts and even off-topic comments all the time. I think that at times they are a bit overly vigilant, but certainly it accomplishes the goal of encouraging on-topic discussion and easier browsing for the entire readership. I think many of us have dealt with the frustration of trying to “catch up” with what we missed on AN, and it taking longer than it needed to, because we were wading through dairies that a.) weren’t breaking news, b.) provided no analysis or commentary, etc.

"The painting was a gift, Todd. I'm taking it with me." -Wedding Crashers

by notsellingjeans on Jul 17, 2008 8:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

That might be true of the Mariners blog

But it is also true that their team sucks, so they have nothing better to do.

"the A's need more quality preembreetive pitching" ~monkeyball

by OptimistPrime on Jul 17, 2008 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed--

wading through dairies can sure get messy.

by whiteshoes40 on Jul 17, 2008 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Some of the best, funniest stuff on here

Is slightly off topic.

Plus, the nature of discussion inevitably will veer slightly from the original comment. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that.

Or maybe I’m just looking for a way to squeeze in some raving about how awesome The Dark Knight was, so I’m justifying that off topic post in advance.

http://bocropleasestopswingingatbadpitches.blogspot.com/

by thejd44 on Jul 18, 2008 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, I hope no one here ever starts deleting off-topic comments

just for being off-topic. I’d consider that a personal attack on me and some of my favorite ANers… ;)

There's no textbook for how to treat a geriatric tapir.

by Poppy on Jul 18, 2008 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

So what is our topic, so I can get back on topic.

by theblackpearl on Jul 18, 2008 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

the topic of capricorn

I told them 'My game is like a blog.' Because I don't know what a blog is, but it don't sound good. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jul 18, 2008 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Enzyte Topical Rush? Which apparently contains something called “horny goat weed,” by the way.

There's no textbook for how to treat a geriatric tapir.

by Poppy on Jul 18, 2008 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Been there, smoked and fondled that

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 18, 2008 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Topic A: Kansas

I told them 'My game is like a blog.' Because I don't know what a blog is, but it don't sound good. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jul 18, 2008 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Worst city in my state by a huge margin. Luckily it's 2 hours

away from where I live. Why is the capitol city a shithole in most states? Sacramento comes to mind…

Was Black Snake Moan a comedy or a drama?

by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 19, 2008 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

El Paso's user name is

ohtobelikehouston.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 20, 2008 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

QOTM

-still chuckling-

by pam5981 on Jul 20, 2008 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

To make things more efficient, I have created

an “all or nothing” key on my keypad. When I see a Fanpost that is redundant or pointless, I shall simply press the button, thereby deleting ALL Fanposts – granted, there will be some “collateral damage,” but at least we know that the offending Fanpost will not be overlooked in being swiftly deleted.

Now if you’ll excuse me, having just spotted a troll named qwertytroll, I need to go delete the accounts of all users whose user names begin with A-Q. 74mk, you got lucky.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 17, 2008 9:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

How is it possible for this thing to be triggered automatically and at the same time impossible to untrigger?

Mr. President, it is not only possible, it is essential. That is the whole idea of this machine, you know. Deterrence is the art of producing in the mind of the enemy… the FEAR to attack. And so, because of the automated and irrevocable decision-making process which rules out human meddling, the Doomsday machine is terrifying and simple to understand… and completely credible and convincing.

Those were the reasons and that was New York, we were running for the money and the flesh.

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Jul 17, 2008 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oh, and uh Shoog, say your prayers

"Not in your wildest alcoholic nightmare would you ever imagine such events unfolding!" Bill King

by Buck Turgidson on Jul 18, 2008 12:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'd like some feedback on this one

Since only 4 or so fanposts remain rec’d, and there seems to be a problem of good content getting pushed down too fast…

What do you all think of the idea of the editors deleting a stale fanpost if it gets rendered “useless” (for lack of a better word) a day or two later?

I’ll give you an example: If there is a currently a diary labeled – “Rumor: Blanton could be headed to Philly,” that’s a diary that could be deleted at this point, or at the latest by tomorrow. Other examples would be diaries like “Anyone need 2 tickets for tomorrow’s game?”, when “tomorrow” was 3 days ago. These are decent reasons for a fanpost IMO, but they’re also time-sensitive, and past the point of their value within a few days to any AN part-timer who checks in a few times a week.

If we deleted these types of diaries, and everyone toggled their “settings” on to “most recent 30/50 fanposts” to appear in the right column of their screen, you could pretty much guarantee that you’d never miss a diary, even if you had a stretch where you didn’t check AN for a week.

Anecdotally, I’m gathering that a frustration of some part-time ANers is that they “miss” diaries because diaries get pushed off the “recent fanposts” area after just a few days, especially during a crazy stretch like the trading deadline.

"The painting was a gift, Todd. I'm taking it with me." -Wedding Crashers

by notsellingjeans on Jul 17, 2008 10:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Delete? nah

But admin/mods should be able to unrecommend stuff competely so that it disappears without having to have 3 people Rec/Unrec it.

by mikev on Jul 17, 2008 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I like this better

While I wouldn’t mind the “got 2 tickets” posts going away, looking in the “rumor” type ones is a different matter. Those can have good ideas that pop up that maybe started halfway through and were not 100% tied to the topic. Also you may have a prediction, or other items (QOTM’s, etc) that are there that people may want to go back and see later that would no longer be there.

I had the fortune/misfortune of being on vacation last week. I got home and spent a Sunday afternoon plodding through most of the Harden disaster. I 100% support the idea of not having 23 different threads again, but once they start and get a fair number of posts in them, I would be hard pressed to agree with just getting rid of them.

My final though around this is if you go back and think of some things that everyone seems to hold dear I bet you would see that they were in diaries/fanposts that would have been deleted. (A bauncast in spring training where someone has the idea of MaEl riding a unicorn, a kid writing a like 3 line apology that turns into a thread about how tall high school kids are,etc)

"Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it?"-Steve McCatty

by 5Aces on Jul 17, 2008 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

For example,

I went to the Blanton rumor thread to learn about the prospects now. It’s where I saw the Sickels list for Phillies Prospects.

by ohmangoAs on Jul 19, 2008 12:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Easier and better

would be to revive the AN 2.0 option which let users display 50 diaries on their page at once. Max viewable now is 25, which is like a day and a half’s worth when things get hot.

Those were the reasons and that was New York, we were running for the money and the flesh.

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Jul 17, 2008 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

What SHOULD happen is...

...in the case of the “Anyone need tickets?” stuff, the poster should delete it after the game starts.

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by Flashfire on Jul 18, 2008 1:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

+1

There's no crying in baseball!

by gigglingone on Jul 18, 2008 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

ooh neat improvement idea

time sensitive posts that the user can set to auto-delete (in the trashcan Chief Quimby hides in) at a specific date/time.

by oakinboston on Jul 18, 2008 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I am generally against deleting any fanposts

They are interesting to look back on, and I think the problem of pushing out older fanposts is overstated. When a diary gets recommended, it is rare that it lasts in the recommended section longer than people actually continue to comment there.

I would emphatically not want to delete a “Blanton the Phillies?” diary, however bad, as there may be some good comments there, and the existence of bad diaries is just not that big of a deal, and often the humor provided outweighs whatever detraction from the discourse that bad diaries provide.

The A's colors are green and gold.

by mikeA on Jul 18, 2008 3:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

You and Matthew Yglesias have quite similar prose styles.

Agree on the deleting, mostly. While I dislike the cacophony of nonsense that occasionally overtakes the diary section, I wouldn’t want to address that by way of some kind of draconian fanpost eradication policy.

On the other hand, some if it isn’t much more than spam, and actually I do think it’s problematic when perfectly servicable non-recommended posts get knocked down the list by offerings that really should have been a comment somewhere.

These offerings (the lame ones) are for the most part products of self-absorption, not naivete, in that the authors can’t be bothered to glance at the site or consider their audience at all before clicking “submit”. This is because, basically, they don’t give a shit. They’re writing strictly for the benefit of their own id, and I hate that.

It’s not that I think AN should have unreasonably high fanpost submission standards, or should not embrace all manner of fans, hard core and casual, blog-savvy and not. However: If a post is a) redundant, b) bereft of even token effort, c) shrill, d) authored by someone who joined an hour ago, and e) contains more than 62 exclamation points, it ought to be deleted, if only to make the site more readable for those who do give a shit.

Sigh. I need to comment more about baseball, and less about this sort of thing. Given that (rampant) overuse of the term “meta” is high on my list of pet peeves, I really should try to avoid perpetuating conversations that encourage it. Alas, my will is weak.

by 74mk on Jul 18, 2008 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Also,

I’ve noticed if I want to go back and read a diary I missed, the NEW comment stuff goes away. I haven’t figured out the time period but it is less than a month.

Mark Ellis: sent down from Heaven to rob Evil of hits and hand out rainbows

by Jennifer on Jul 18, 2008 5:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

can you please delete this diary? it’s taking up a valuable spot in the recommended diaries section.

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Jul 17, 2008 11:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Comments like yours push important

comments like this down farther on the page.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 18, 2008 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

qotm

Brainless Automaton #439

by rubin sierra on Jul 18, 2008 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

qotm

Brainless Automaton #439

by rubin sierra on Jul 18, 2008 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

ah, a metafAnPoSt... awesome

by whiteshoes40 on Jul 17, 2008 11:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

DLD FanPost etiquette

I posted this in another place, but it bears repeating here. One of the problems with recommended diaries is that three of the available slots are typically taken up by DLDs. It’s great to have the current day’s DLD in the recommended area, but the other slots should be available for other compelling content.

I have two suggestions to make this better:

1) If you recommend a DLD, please unrecommend it the next day.

2) If you author a DLD, include a link to the prior day’s DLD for easy access.

"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico

by jeepers on Jul 18, 2008 8:32 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

BTW, this is the best argument AGAINST having # of recs determine how long a post stays up

because any post labeled “DLD” will instantly and automatically get like 15 recs. No matter how half-assed it is.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Jul 18, 2008 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

this is taking the "marginal attendance doesn't impact the bottom line" argument too far, methinks

I told them 'My game is like a blog.' Because I don't know what a blog is, but it don't sound good. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jul 18, 2008 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

re

But has there ever been a DLD that didn’t get insta-recommended? It would be nice if the DLD was front-paged every morning so they didn’t consistently push good diaries down, and so the recs wouldn’t get clogged with three of em. I do think the mods have to handle that rather than the posters though. Who unrecommends stuff?

by 31Boots on Jul 18, 2008 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

The old DLD will get moved as long as people un-rec it.

Old AN DLDs would frequently get un-rec’ed to get the fresh ones in the top section of the diaries.

I LOVE the DLD but no way do I want it on the front page, unless it was the slowest day in the off-season. There are some really great things (Saturday posts) that get pushed out of the way already. And not everyone reads the DLD or wants to.

Mark Ellis: sent down from Heaven to rob Evil of hits and hand out rainbows

by Jennifer on Jul 18, 2008 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ok

Can the recs to the DLD be closed every day to everyone but mods, and they can unrecommend it the next day? There’s no denying that three DLDs end up in the recommended posts list on a consistent basis (and when there’s not three there are two.) I like the DLD too, don’t get me wrong, but it really does bug when useful threads get pushed down for more than one DLD. Once a thread gets pushed out of the recs, it’s done.

by 31Boots on Jul 18, 2008 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

we can't unrecommend

Individual who re’ced have to do that.

Might be helpful for anyone who posts a DLD to not only put a link to the previous day’s, but to make a prominent reminder for people to unrec that previous day’s.

I told them 'My game is like a blog.' Because I don't know what a blog is, but it don't sound good. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jul 18, 2008 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Is this really such a big problem?

There are DLDs (at most) daily, so if there are three of them up that means there have only been two “real” rec’d posts in that many days. People get tired and move on after a day or two anyway.

by nevermoor on Jul 18, 2008 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

re

It’s not a big problem no, and I don’t want to go on and on about the DLD because I do like it quite a bit. However, most people do move on after a day or two, and the posts don’t keep getting recommended (how many posts do after they make it to the top,btw?) but plenty of times there is still good discussion in a thread (detailed discussion by posters who care enough to stick around and think about posts), and as soon as the thread is pushed down, and ivariably off the front page entirely, the thread is done. And it’s pretty lame when it’s for dead DLDs.

Whatever, I’m not trying to make a federal case, and it really isn’t a big deal. Just bugs.

by 31Boots on Jul 18, 2008 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

front page would attract the wrong crowd

there are some people who never comment in fanposts, only on front page stories. many of these people tend to be a bit clueless and/or annoying. let’s keep them where they are and out of the DLDs.

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Jul 18, 2008 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

One of the things I learned I like the least about the DLDs...

...was when the US Olympic team announcement was made and it included Cahill and Anderson, that was the main part of the DLD. Nothing in the subject line indicated the news was there. Someone else posted it as a separate diary and I prefer it that way. If it’s news related to the organization, I don’t think it should be in a DLD. Aren’t the DLDs basically huge off-topic sessions anyway for the most part?

Last of the Ninth - Photography Site
jamesvenes.com - Blog

by Flashfire on Jul 18, 2008 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

The DLD

The idea behind the DLD was precisely to reduce diary clutter for minor A’s related news items. In the early days of AN, before sal invented (or is it discovered?) the DLD, every article about Moneyball or any mention of some A’s player in a chat by Neyer or Gammons would immediately generate a couple of diaries that said little more than “Hey, look at this article about about the A’s” and tended to generate little further discussion. Sal suggested consolidating all these posts, and whatever short discussion they engendered in one place. Obviously a significant news item likely to generate lots of discussion, like a trade or an injury to a key player, would still get a separate diary.

For better or worse, the DLD then evolved into a kind of generic open thread, and many of the links that get posted there are indeed off topic. But it’s also still the central repository for links that mention the A’s, and plenty of ensuing on-topic discussion.

The Olympic team thing is a close call. On the one hand it was (apparently) of interest to some people who don’t feel like wading through all the other stuff in the DLD. On the other hand, the separate diary only generated 8 comments, almost all of which were (sorry, 74mk) meta-discussion of whether it should have been posted at all.

"May a nit suck Cajun geese?" wonders Red. No, we see gnu Jack Cust in a yam.

by andeux on Jul 18, 2008 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I can't confirm, but I suspect that the fANsHoTs were kind of intended to eliminate the DLD

Which they haven’t done, for good reason.

I told them 'My game is like a blog.' Because I don't know what a blog is, but it don't sound good. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jul 18, 2008 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

fanshots are a solution looking for a problem

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Jul 18, 2008 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

{nods sagely}

I told them 'My game is like a blog.' Because I don't know what a blog is, but it don't sound good. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jul 18, 2008 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Fair enough. I'm not as much of a vet here as others.

But at the same time, maybe the DLDs could be titled better? Something like “DLD 7/18/08: A’s on Olympic Team, etc.” or something like that.

Last of the Ninth - Photography Site
jamesvenes.com - Blog

by Flashfire on Jul 18, 2008 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

On most days, the DLD is made in the morning.

If the story breaks (whatever you want to call it) and the link is posted at 4:00 in the afternoon, is the author supposed to change the title?

Mark Ellis: sent down from Heaven to rob Evil of hits and hand out rainbows

by Jennifer on Jul 18, 2008 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Right

Usually the title is a clever throwaway (or a reference to last night’s A’s game).

I guess it’s just a matter of knowing how AN works best

by nevermoor on Jul 18, 2008 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

It all depends on what the author is originally putting into it, I guess

If the author later adds something to the post itself and wants to specify that with a title edit, go for it.

But if it’s just stuff added through comments, probably not.

Last of the Ninth - Photography Site
jamesvenes.com - Blog

by Flashfire on Jul 18, 2008 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

if something has been posted in the DLD, but you feel it's worthy of its own stand-alone discussion ...

... (whether you’re aware of the DLD-ifiedness of it or not) you should post it in a fanpost. I personally gots no problem with that.

I told them 'My game is like a blog.' Because I don't know what a blog is, but it don't sound good. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jul 18, 2008 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's a clunky solution in service to a worthy goal.

Admin daily 2doo list::

1 - move yesterday’s DLD down
2 - fling poop

The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on Jul 18, 2008 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

#1 isn't possible

There used to be a “clear recommendations” button for admins, but it’s disappeared. I could have sworn it carried over in the upgrade to AN 3.0, but perhaps I’m misremembering.

I told them 'My game is like a blog.' Because I don't know what a blog is, but it don't sound good. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jul 18, 2008 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Can you close the comments?

Mark Ellis: sent down from Heaven to rob Evil of hits and hand out rainbows

by Jennifer on Jul 18, 2008 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nope

I can delete it, or I can hide it. Neither seems like a good option to me.

I told them 'My game is like a blog.' Because I don't know what a blog is, but it don't sound good. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jul 18, 2008 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Someone can

as evidenced by the awesome mrfox diary, which won’t allow further comments, presumably to fend off the hoards of people traipsing via links on less genteel websites like espn and THT.

The same action or a related one is keeping mrfox off the recommended diary list.

Those were the reasons and that was New York, we were running for the money and the flesh.

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Jul 18, 2008 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I believe that you're wrong

My understanding is that recs from weighty Quakers carry more top-of-page-boosting-juice. I would guess that’s why mrfox’s fdiaryanpost hasn’t climbed. I don’t know what the algorithm is, but so far as I can tell (unless Blez/Nico/??? have super-admin powers I don’t, and I don’t know what their motives would be in suppressing the upward mobility of that or any other diafanarypost) it just hasn’t “beaten” the ones above it.

I told them 'My game is like a blog.' Because I don't know what a blog is, but it don't sound good. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jul 18, 2008 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

if nico has super powers

which one is the alter ego, nico or cindi?
and what an indictment of humanity if they think that persona will fit in without attracting attention.

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Jul 18, 2008 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

:-( Grrr...

Cindi

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 18, 2008 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think the comments contribute to the fanpost

getting bumped up. Since the comments are closed, it’s not getting bumped.

Mark Ellis: sent down from Heaven to rob Evil of hits and hand out rainbows

by Jennifer on Jul 18, 2008 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

well, something is going

typically a DLD gets 3-6 recs before bumping, and that’s got 18

"The Athletics at Fremont" is pretty bad

by ArakSOT on Jul 18, 2008 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

ahhhhhh, I see

It’s not a “new” fanpost, but an updated one.

And interesting that comments can be closed, but it can still be rec’ed. I’d call that a bug.

My vote for that particular item is that it belongs linked somewhere permanently on the front page, with the ANcillaries and the CGs—and with mrfox posting a new fanpost with a link to it every time it’s updated.

I told them 'My game is like a blog.' Because I don't know what a blog is, but it don't sound good. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jul 18, 2008 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

The comments being closed

goes back to my complaint about the NEW comments disappearing. I know it’s done to keep the bots away, but it’s annoying to go back looking for QOTMs when everything is showing I read it.

Mark Ellis: sent down from Heaven to rob Evil of hits and hand out rainbows

by Jennifer on Jul 18, 2008 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

And I agree about linking it.

Stick it over on the side like Jeff does with his images. Also, the ANcillaries needs to be updated. It doesn’t really work like it is supposed to now.

Mark Ellis: sent down from Heaven to rob Evil of hits and hand out rainbows

by Jennifer on Jul 18, 2008 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's never completely worked.

If you look at the original comments, a LOT of things were added after it was moved to the sidebar.

There's no textbook for how to treat a geriatric tapir.

by Poppy on Jul 18, 2008 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Now that you mention it...

get the ANcillaries the hell off there. They were a work in progress when they got permanent placement (therefore, they’ve always been incomplete), and since moving to 3.0, the links no longer work.

There's no textbook for how to treat a geriatric tapir.

by Poppy on Jul 18, 2008 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

not until you flag it

I told them 'My game is like a blog.' Because I don't know what a blog is, but it don't sound good. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jul 18, 2008 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Waadjoo call me?

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 18, 2008 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Moderators requesting flags is a CGV

Violation of due process flag @ you

by nevermoor on Jul 18, 2008 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hot damn!

I didn’t realize I could flag it! Done!

There's no textbook for how to treat a geriatric tapir.

by Poppy on Jul 18, 2008 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I lied to thejd44

Now you’re automatically bANnEd, you troll!!!!!!!! Mwahahahahaha!!!!

I told them 'My game is like a blog.' Because I don't know what a blog is, but it don't sound good. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jul 18, 2008 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oh. Well then, I guess you're left with number two.

Happy flinging.

The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on Jul 18, 2008 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I started a lengthy meta-discussion!

Yay!

"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico

by jeepers on Jul 18, 2008 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

re

Yeah, there were 25 Harden trade threads, but a good amount of them had interesting stuff. I agree it’s annoying, but not much more annoying than the 600 posts in the Blanton trade thread. I got about half way through that and gave up, did a couple searches on posters I like to read.

I’m generally very anti mod-meddling on message boards (I was really annoyed a post got pulled last week because the link had already been posted in the DLD), but, in special circumstances, they just need to step up a little, and move or remove worthless threads as quickly as possible (but not posts with interesting stuff.)

by 31Boots on Jul 18, 2008 10:12 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

i hope that

ANers besides the wisest and grizzledest of us are actually reading this thread.
(at 4 months, im stil a relative n00b, and i find the comments enlightening.)

by oakinboston on Jul 18, 2008 11:25 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Another solution?

I think it would be great if there was an algorithm that took into account TOTAL recommendations and RECENT posting activity in a fanpost to determine its “worthiness” on the “most recommended” list. That way – an active fanpost that has 10 recs will stay on top, despite newer fanposts generating 3 recs. However, once the 10 rec fanpost becomes “stale” – the posting activity on it will decline, and it will slowly fall off the list. This way – no one has to “unrecommend” a post and we’re not seeking any moderators to “push down” posts and pestering them to do so…

by spiffyjwc on Jul 18, 2008 11:31 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs