Blanton Traded To Phillies
by baseballgirl on Jul 17, 2008 3:55 PM PDT
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Tip from Zonis, who was watching SportsCenter.
http://www.athleticsnation.com/2008/7/17/573771/breaking-news-sportsenter
More details to come!
From SF Gate:
(07-17) 15:56 PDT -- The A's are trading Joe Blanton to Philadelphia, according to ESPN. Blanton, dealt to the Phillies in exchange for three minor-leaguers, is 5-12 with a 4.96 ERA and has been better at home (4.63 ERA) than away (5.74).
Blanton's record has been a disappointment this season. Last year, he was 14-10 with a 3.95 ERA. On June 29 against the Giants in Oakland, he was tagged for seven runs and eight hits over four-plus innings in the Giants' 11-1 victory. In losing that game, he became the first pitcher in the AL to lose 11 games. At the time, he had given up 16 runs in his last 14 innings and lost five of six starts.
The Athletics get second baseman Adrian Cardenas, pitcher Josh Outman and outfielder Matthew Spencer, all minor leaguers.
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Where will the details come through first?
I’d still rather have Street on my team than K-Rod, just because I hate douchebags. -Taj Adib
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 17, 2008 3:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
LET THE SPECULATION BEGIN!!!
Carrasco, Donald, and Brett Myers because they soured on him! :D
by mikev on Jul 17, 2008 3:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Brett Myers...
Yay! Our pitching staff’s Worthless POS Quotient has really declined since Loaiza left!
There's no textbook for how to treat a geriatric tapir.
by Poppy on Jul 17, 2008 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OMG!!
AHHHH! I left the stove on!!!
********OaKlAnDaThLeTiCs********
by LiZaRdReVoLuTiOn on Jul 17, 2008 4:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I was just gonna post this.
Im too slow.
When will then be now? Soon.
by Syphon on Jul 17, 2008 4:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I just put it in the Blanton to Philly rumor posts
I didn’t want to make a new fanpost and write filler 86 times.
by mikev on Jul 17, 2008 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha yeah.
When will then be now? Soon.
by Syphon on Jul 17, 2008 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too bad his numbers weren't so terrible looking....
Could have gotten more for him…..its probably too early to say what they got….earlier in the day Jason Werth was mentioned, obviously not a minor leaguer…..
In Billy we trust right?
by Cochran86 on Jul 17, 2008 4:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Easiest nickname conversion ever
Phillie fans love
Those were the reasons and that was New York, we were running for the money and the flesh.
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Jul 17, 2008 4:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yumm.
Now im hungry.
When will then be now? Soon.
by Syphon on Jul 17, 2008 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How long until Blanton and Ryan Howard
have an eating contest (to see who can eat the other)?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 17, 2008 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
QOTM
"All managers are losers, they are the most expendable pieces of furniture on the face of the Earth."- Ted Williams
by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 17, 2008 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Joe is more of a Jelly Krimpet, mysefl
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Jul 17, 2008 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
CArdenas is one of them
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3494315
The Athletics get second baseman Adrian Cardenas, pitcher Josh Outman and outfielder Matthew Spencer, all minor leaguers.
by theblackpearl on Jul 17, 2008 4:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Um.
I don’t like all this sudden stocking-up on 2nd basemen. I think I’m done reading again.
There's no textbook for how to treat a geriatric tapir.
by Poppy on Jul 17, 2008 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Billy is hoping he can play them all at the same time to duplicate Mark's stellar
defense
by theblackpearl on Jul 17, 2008 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cardenas has played short
Not that I think we are re-signing Ellis, given these last two trades. But it’s not a sure thing, yet.
by Mark Borgschulte on Jul 17, 2008 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sickels' 2008 writeup says he lacked range at SS,
but didn’t fare much better at 2B and that scouts believe he’ll be moved to the OF. So kind of another Patterson in that regard.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 17, 2008 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Baseball Prospectus 2008 says basically the same thing.
by Philip Christy on Jul 17, 2008 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beane's gonna field 8 Figginseseses
I told them 'My game is like a blog.' Because I don't know what a blog is, but it don't sound good. @('.')@
by monkeyball on Jul 17, 2008 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They would out-steal 8 Hattebergs
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 17, 2008 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Paul DePodesta did some simulations
and determined that a lineup of 8 Chone Figgenses would run really really fast.
"May a nit suck Cajun geese?" wonders Red. No, we see gnu Jack Cust in a yam.
by andeux on Jul 17, 2008 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chone runs!
The end result of too many nacho runs.
"Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it?"-Steve McCatty
by 5Aces on Jul 17, 2008 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I heard the simulation had him thrown out stealing
eight times by Octopusman.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 17, 2008 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
QOTM (convoluted premise division)
"All managers are losers, they are the most expendable pieces of furniture on the face of the Earth."- Ted Williams
by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 17, 2008 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doc Ock?
Who knew Spiderman villains could field so well?
Green Hulk Fists
by oaklandSMASH on Jul 17, 2008 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thief! Thief Figenseseses! We hates them! We hates them forever!!!
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Jul 17, 2008 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But they's gritty!
Youse has to respect dat even if youse wants to be hating ‘em.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 17, 2008 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In Philly, the word is pronounced "yiz"
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Jul 17, 2008 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In Boston, though, it's "yaz"
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 17, 2008 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about "yins"?
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Jul 17, 2008 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pittsburgh?
in Bal’more it’s Y’uns
"Not in your wildest alcoholic nightmare would you ever imagines such events unfolding!" Bill King
by Buck Turgidson on Jul 17, 2008 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have always hated the phrase. going with, without a
word like me, or us.
Would you like to go with?
by theblackpearl on Jul 17, 2008 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously.
It’s like….......
finish your goddamn question.
"If everything seems to be going well, you have obviously overlooked something."
by RIPHalsey on Jul 17, 2008 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Come with", too
I generally bemoan the profusion of Mr Sabermetric Sporks in the Scrabble ranks who don't know the meaning or usage of 50% of the words they use. -monkeyball
by JediLeroy on Jul 17, 2008 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Ellis leaves, Beane's gonna go to a 6-infielders alignment
I told them 'My game is like a blog.' Because I don't know what a blog is, but it don't sound good. @('.')@
by monkeyball on Jul 17, 2008 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about that,
but they should at least move Suzuki out there too.
Let the umpire block the damn balls!
"All managers are losers, they are the most expendable pieces of furniture on the face of the Earth."- Ted Williams
by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 17, 2008 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently that was legal in the old days
Until MLB made a rule preventing it, the catcher would play in the infield when there was less than two strikes and no one on base.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Jul 17, 2008 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder how many fans know
that if any fielder other than the catcher sets up in foul territory before the pitch, it’s a “balk” on the fielder. Nick and I learned this when Ricky Peters, playing LF, was chatting with teammates in the A’s bullpen during a pitching change and almost didn’t get back into fair territory in time to avoid being called for a balk.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 17, 2008 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
according to Crywolffisher ...
... any players setting up in Oakland are in foul territory.
I told them 'My game is like a blog.' Because I don't know what a blog is, but it don't sound good. @('.')@
by monkeyball on Jul 17, 2008 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
re
Very happy to get Cardenas. Outman has good scouting reports. Spencer, I have no idea why they would want, even as a throw in. I’m really disappointed they didn’t get Donald.
Cardenas is now the best hitting prospect in the system. On first thought, I don’t love this, but it’s definitely not terrible.
by 31Boots on Jul 17, 2008 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Spencer's an ASU guy
Beane loves that program. So does Theo Epstein (Travis Buck and Dustin Pedroia are both ex-Sun Devils, as are recent draftees Brett Wallace, Ike Davis and Petey Paramore).
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Jul 17, 2008 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a Sun Devil!
yeah!
OZZIE GUILLEN IS A CHILD MOLESTING CARCINOGEN
by gimpy989 on Jul 18, 2008 1:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I love it - on a first glance
of Sickels’ book, we got (according to his ratings, which are just one guy’s view obviously) two “B” prospects and one C+ for Blanton. Outman looks interesting, a LHP with a 90-94 MPH fastball who pitched great in A+ and A and then stumbled a bit in AA. Man are we stocked for AA-AAA pitching.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 17, 2008 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh dear.
Trainman is going to be devastated.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 17, 2008 4:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
OMG
This first 2 minutes is so much better than the Harden trade! I haven’t even looked at who we got in return.
by Mark Borgschulte on Jul 17, 2008 4:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I know - it's like
“I love this trade!!!!!! Who’d we get?”
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 17, 2008 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
BBG! THE JINX WORKED!!!!!! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------->
There's no crying in baseball!
by gigglingone on Jul 17, 2008 4:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I put Harden in my avatar picture for a week before he was traded, totally unintentionally
Now I will use my avatar for evil HA HA HA HA
There's no crying in baseball!
by gigglingone on Jul 17, 2008 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your new avatar should be DFA
"There's m'fn sprinklers on the m'fn infield!'" - Ice Cream (AN), 6/13/08
by doctorK on Jul 17, 2008 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brian Sabean is now on the phone
We have a 12 loss pitcher too!!!!!
by theblackpearl on Jul 17, 2008 4:14 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Too many threads!!!
Where do I get my news!
by pam5981 on Jul 17, 2008 4:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Oops
Are we talking about threads or beer?
by Mark Borgschulte on Jul 17, 2008 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if you want to destroy my sweater...
pull this thread as I walk away…
"All managers are losers, they are the most expendable pieces of furniture on the face of the Earth."- Ted Williams
by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 17, 2008 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I WILL UNRAVEL IT
AND YOU WILL BE NAKED!!! HAHAHA!!!
Green Hulk Fists
by oaklandSMASH on Jul 17, 2008 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lying on the floor
(lying on the floor)
Blogadilla.com: The Tijuana of the Internet
by rungood on Jul 17, 2008 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The three minor league players we got aren't MLB ready.
Adrian Cardenas – Class A Advanced
Josh Outman – AA
Matthew Spencer – Class A Advanced
Now we have to figure out who is going to take Blanton’s spot tomorrow!!!
by Coffee13eans on Jul 17, 2008 4:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
hey, now...
Blanton was about a thousand sit-ups away from being major league ready, himself.
I see this as addition by subtraction and a chance to see if Gio Gonzalez is ready for the bigs. I’m excited. He’s been pitching his ass off this last month in Sacramento, and I think he just might do a fine job in Oakland.
"All managers are losers, they are the most expendable pieces of furniture on the face of the Earth."- Ted Williams
by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 17, 2008 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Braden time?
pleaase give the ball to Braden.
Carlos Quentin's time has arrived.
by Team Moneyball on Jul 17, 2008 4:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Stats
After checking out their stats, I have now figured out the reason behind these deals:
Billy Beane is insane.
by Philip Christy on Jul 17, 2008 4:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Crazy like a fox?
Or just crazy like my Aunt Bertha?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 17, 2008 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
This is a total give-up on this year. I wonder if this would have happened if we were 4 out…
by Mark Borgschulte on Jul 17, 2008 4:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You are blaming this trade on Huston Street?
Not that that’s all that bad an idea…
by Philip Christy on Jul 17, 2008 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because we traded Blanton?
I can’t feel anyway other than great about getting him out of here before he hits 20 losses.
Might as well Jump! - Van Halen
by sprtsnwyn on Jul 17, 2008 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure how this makes the A's worse
They were losing almost all of Blanton’s starts, and now can choose the “readiest of all options” to replace him. Maybe Gio is deemed ready, maybe Meyer has finally figured it out (his last start was one of his best in 3 years). It’s not a huge loss, at least figuratively.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 17, 2008 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I don’t think the A’s are worse today than they were yesterday.
Might as well Jump! - Van Halen
by sprtsnwyn on Jul 17, 2008 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Disagree
I have no problem with the trade (from what I know of it thus far), but for 2008 alone, and Joe’s struggles notwithstanding, this makes the A’s worse this year. Better next year, maybe, but worse this year. Not that they were gonna make the postseason anyway.
Those were the reasons and that was New York, we were running for the money and the flesh.
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Jul 17, 2008 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless someone like Gio, unseen yet by the league,
could replicate Blanton’s performance going forward – which probably means a 4.00-4.50 ERA and 6+ IP/start.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 17, 2008 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
better than
his no-hitter?
In May for you ingrates – 6 innings.
still Swish Fan #1.
by ChrisCEIT on Jul 17, 2008 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You could possibly claim
a variance vs expected value trade-off in the Harden deal, with the possibility Murton close to equaling on offense what Gallagher gives away (in expected value, given Harden’s injury woes) as a pitcher. If Harden got injured, that trade COULD actually have made us better this year. No chance any of these guys add anything this year.
I guess this is based on the idea that I don’t think Gio is ready yet and Blanton is better than Braden. IPs are an important, under-valued stat. You could argue those players readiness, and I do hope I’ll be proven wrong.
by Mark Borgschulte on Jul 17, 2008 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any pitcher we call up will prob be as good if not better
than Blanton. Man dont you people get it yet? Trading one players isnt a white flag.
When will then be now? Soon.
by Syphon on Jul 17, 2008 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about trading three?
"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer
by alox on Jul 17, 2008 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't you get it yet?
It’s like trading one, only three times.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 17, 2008 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
in the case of blanton
it is really like trading three…. :X
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
by ST on Jul 17, 2008 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
in-n-out
at least Cardenas is a top 100 prospect and the Phils top. Aside from that I hope we can get by or get a lot for Street, who undoubtably is next.
It's just more exciting with Billy Beane running the team.
by ru155 on Jul 17, 2008 4:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Where do you guys place
Cardenas in term of A’s hitting prospects? Below or above Weeks?
by FirebatM3 on Jul 17, 2008 4:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Above, for sure
He has a track record in pro ball (and a good one at that). And Weeks isn’t a guy with knockout scouting reports either.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Jul 17, 2008 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a little nervous about Weeks
I hope he turns out to be worth the #1 pick, and doesn’t turn out to be more…Penningtonny.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 17, 2008 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
so is he the best
position prospect in the A’s organization right now?
by FirebatM3 on Jul 17, 2008 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some good info on the players, courtesy of Athletics Clubhouse links:
http://phuturephillies.com/category/players/spencer-matt/profile-spencer-matt-players/
http://phuturephillies.com/category/players/outman-josh/profile-outman-josh-players/
http://phuturephillies.com/category/players/cardenas-adrian/profile-cardenas-adrian-players/
and a VERY interesting piece on Outman vs Carrasco:
http://phuturephillies.com/2008/04/17/outman-v-carrasco/
Credit to Athletic Domination from Athletics Clubhouse for the links.
by mikev on Jul 17, 2008 4:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
the video of Cardenas is not encouraging
he runs kind of funny : – }
You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}
by micdog2001 on Jul 17, 2008 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's really helpful, though, to see video
of him taking two pitches.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 17, 2008 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ron Cey lives!
"the A's need more quality preembreetive pitching" ~monkeyball
by OptimistPrime on Jul 17, 2008 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Initial reaction is favoring the A's on this trade
Sickels lists the Phillies top 20 here. This trade is awesome for the A’s even if we just get Cardenas straight up. The fact that we get their #3 prospect as well is amazing. Seems like Spencer is just a throw in, maybe a 5th outfielder at best
by GusanoQuemador on Jul 17, 2008 4:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
TBD?!
That guy sucks.
"May a nit suck Cajun geese?" wonders Red. No, we see gnu Jack Cust in a yam.
by andeux on Jul 17, 2008 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hear he's better than PTBNL
There's no crying in baseball!
by gigglingone on Jul 17, 2008 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
TBD is still better than Blanton this season.
by somebodyelse on Jul 17, 2008 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or, if it stands for
“To Be Devoured,” roughly the same.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 17, 2008 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Soon
“To be Dealt” for prospects
Green Hulk Fists
by oaklandSMASH on Jul 17, 2008 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gio pitched Monday for the Rivercats,
so if he were the callup they could start either Smith or Gallagher Friday and Gio Saturday. I know DiNardo, Meyer, and Saarloos would all be available to pitch tomorrow because Sacramento hasn’t played since Monday.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 17, 2008 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Saarloos
My prediction. Braden is a reliever at heart. Meyer hasn’t put together enough good starts. Gio isn’t ready yet. Saarloos is a veteran who pitched adequately for the A’s a couple years back, and did well in his short call-up earlier this year. He can probably match what Blanton would have done for the rest of the year. And if he sucks for a handful of starts, there’s always DiNardo. You can do the ordering the other way as well, but I think Saarloos has the higher upside (which isn’t much). The only way it matters is if somehow the A’s continue to compete for the rest of the year.
Just watch: Frank Thomas comes back, swinging well; Eric Chavez recovers and doesn’t need surgery; and then Mike Sweeney finds he can actually still play.
Okay, whatever.
by richwol1 on Jul 17, 2008 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You lost me at
“He might not be worse than DiNardo!”
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 17, 2008 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pure off- topic speculation: I think Thomas
will come back and be productive. He’s sandbagging right now, reserving himself for the latter half of the season, and no one in mgt really cares because the A’s aren’t really paying him anything. Chavez = Mark Mulder. Mike Sweeney? I haven’t seen enough to have an opinion.
Okay, whatever, +1.
by somebodyelse on Jul 17, 2008 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Money Ball guys
So this should pretty much do it for the main guys from the Money Ball draft.
Jeremy S Brown – Retired
John C Mccurdy – M.I.A.
Joseph M Blanton – Traded
Nicholas T Swisher – Traded
Stephen H Obenchain – M.I.A.
Benjamin J Fritz – Detroit Minor Leagues
Mark Teahen – Starting in K.C
"This was no boating accident"
by crd04us on Jul 17, 2008 4:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wonder if this completely kills
Michael Lewis’ plans for Underdogs.
by Tyler Bleszinski on Jul 17, 2008 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it was not the most well thought out idea for a book
he should have just done it on the farm system, or on the trades of top players for prospects (starting with hudson-mulder).
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
by xbhaskarx on Jul 18, 2008 2:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he should have remora'ed himself to an old-school GM, like Gillick
I told them 'My game is like a blog.' Because I don't know what a blog is, but it don't sound good. @('.')@
by monkeyball on Jul 18, 2008 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Outman is a ridiculously awesome name
The A's colors are green and gold.
by mikeA on Jul 17, 2008 4:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Not at the plate
Green Hulk Fists
by oaklandSMASH on Jul 17, 2008 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
True that.
The opposite of “Walker”.
"Dispatch knuckleheadedness with Bond-like aplomb." –74mk
by iglew on Jul 17, 2008 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to see a pitcher named Striker
by asfansince1989 on Jul 17, 2008 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I want to see Outman marry Striker's sister
and then their kids would be named Striker-Outman. That would be awesome.
There's no crying in baseball!
by gigglingone on Jul 18, 2008 8:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stiker?
"Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it?"-Steve McCatty
by 5Aces on Jul 18, 2008 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ohhhh!
There’s a sale at Penny’s!!!
by TempletonPeck on Jul 18, 2008 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I get started down this road
I will be here all night replying to myself, but can’t pass up at least one…
“And Leon’s getting LARRRRGERR!”
"Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it?"-Steve McCatty
by 5Aces on Jul 18, 2008 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
C'mon-
This is a sell-high on Blanton, whose numbers this year are terrible.
Getting the Phils #2 and #3 prospects is great for re-stocking the farm system. It also gives BB more flexibility on the Ellis deal, and more chips to trade next year when the A’s are definite buyers.
by Cochran86 on Jul 17, 2008 4:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
We didn't sell high on Blanton,
but the Phillies were very likely high when they elected to trade value for him.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 17, 2008 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is Street next?
Move Ziggy to closer, pick up 3 young studs?
by Cochran86 on Jul 17, 2008 4:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope so.
If we can get 3 young studs for Street I’d wet my pants.
by Mark Borgschulte on Jul 17, 2008 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
People around here sure wet their pants a lot
Whoops, excuse me a moment…
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 17, 2008 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
aaaah watch it
clearly 98 ft of space is not enough
by oakinboston on Jul 17, 2008 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As long as you don't shart
Green Hulk Fists
by oaklandSMASH on Jul 17, 2008 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've about had it up to here with shart discrimination
Ryan Sweeney: I probably irrationally embraced him before you did.
by Joey C. on Jul 17, 2008 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Liberate the shart
don’t hold back!
Green Hulk Fists
by oaklandSMASH on Jul 17, 2008 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A shart on the mound
would certainly be grounds for a pitching/ underwear change.
by somebodyelse on Jul 17, 2008 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have an awesome custom Huston St. street sign.
It will have a dusty retirement by the end of the month, I guess.
"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."
by Kyli on Jul 17, 2008 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Ziggy is too valuable
coming in with guys on base and inducing ground balls to close…..I think Embree for now and Devine when he returns. I like Zig in the role he has…..
Bring back Hammer.
by OaktownPower on Jul 17, 2008 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Embree...That should be popular with AN
Maybe Foulke, when he comes back!
Is Big Bill Taylor real busy these days?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 17, 2008 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can we please please
trade Embree and Foulke?
by Mark Borgschulte on Jul 17, 2008 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm thinking Foulke may not stir up quite the interest
we’re looking for in a deal.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 17, 2008 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
12 maple bats?
"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."
by Kyli on Jul 17, 2008 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Foulke cracks more often
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 17, 2008 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Foulke + DFA for a double cheesburger
by nevermoor on Jul 17, 2008 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But Foulke has actually been one of the A's better pitchers this year
When he’s healthy.
http://bocropleasestopswingingatbadpitches.blogspot.com/
by thejd44 on Jul 18, 2008 2:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is nonsense
Foulke has been terrible by every measure except ERA, and his ERA is not even that great. He hasn’t been good since 2004 and he hasn’t been good this year!!! Why on earth would anyone think this clown is a good reliever? And have you watched him pitch? I would take Embree 7 days a week over Foulke. I would also take Blevins and whoever else might replace Foulke in his notional return.
The A's colors are green and gold.
by mikeA on Jul 18, 2008 2:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wait, I'm a little confused...
Sooo, you DO think he’s good? Or you don’t? I couldn’t quite tell from your vague post.
by TempletonPeck on Jul 18, 2008 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about Big Bill Haywood?
At least he would ease concerns that Beane keeps trading players because he has disdain for the working class.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Jul 17, 2008 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno -- Haywood's looked a little wobbly this season
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Jul 17, 2008 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I told them 'My game is like a blog.' Because I don't know what a blog is, but it don't sound good. @('.')@
by monkeyball on Jul 17, 2008 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome
command of US labor history
by branch rickey on Jul 17, 2008 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. Ziggy's awesome in his role and is needed there.
I’d be very curious to see Devine get a chance when (if?) he is among the moving again.
"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."
by Kyli on Jul 17, 2008 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nate at Baseball Prospectus said a Street for LaPorta deal seemed fair
how about Gamel? Brewers need a closer.
by connie mack on Jul 17, 2008 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im really Scared now.......
that Ellis is gone. This kid was ranked the 2nd best 2nd base prospect in baseball. Hopefully we will get good return for the best fielding 2nd basemen in the league and my fav in Ellis.
OakFoSho
S&BP > Mile High Mules ............ Like Sharks? http://mvn.com/nhl-sharks/
by 0akFoSho on Jul 17, 2008 4:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Good Bye Mark Ellis
You can’t replace his defense but at least Billly is addressing the offensive problems. Hopefully Ellis can get the Gold Glove with a team that gets more air time on SportsCenter. I root for most ex-A’s to get the recognition they deserve on a more popular team.
"Some people have asked me whether or not Rickey Henderson belonged in the Hall of Fame. I've replied "if you could somehow split him in two, you'd have two Hall of Famers"" - Author Bill James in The Bill James Handbook (2008)
by rollie_fingers_moustache on Jul 17, 2008 4:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
aw crap
I just realized that we don’t play today. I’ve been waiting all afternoon for the game to start….
There's no crying in baseball!
by gigglingone on Jul 17, 2008 4:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I wrote about Zebulon to pass the time, but you knew that already.
Green Hulk Fists
by oaklandSMASH on Jul 17, 2008 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Before crediting Beane..
..I’d hedge a bet that Forst is the one creating all these deals, with Billy Boy giving him the final O K.
by Pucking Insane on Jul 17, 2008 4:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This line is really getting tiresome
1. Who the f**k cares? If it was Farhan frigging Zaidi, would it make a difference? I’m sure 50 people in the org had a hand in creating this.
2. Believe it or not, most people who favor Beane’s approach do not do so out of an idolatric (is that a word?) worship of the guy. They do it because he creates teams that win frigging baseball games.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Jul 17, 2008 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No he doesn't - he just creates Forst.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 17, 2008 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, and I forgot #3
3. You have no actual clue whether you’re right, so, eh, howzabout losing the smug tone, hm?
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Jul 17, 2008 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You serious?
One could say the same on pretty much anything you write.
I am right, by the way. I’m sorry you are unable to understand why.
by Pucking Insane on Jul 17, 2008 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Couldn't just get by with two demeaning quotes
just had to drop the third. I’m shocked.
The first rule of Oakland is - you do not talk about injuries. The second rule of Oakland is - you DO NOT talk about injuries." - Larry Davis
by norcalfan on Jul 17, 2008 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
2 consecutive comments criticizing me?
Might I suggest you… I don’t know… find some better way to spend your life?
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Jul 17, 2008 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have nothing informative to add about trades & prospects,
but I can suggest that you might have wanted “idolatrous?”
There's no textbook for how to treat a geriatric tapir.
by Poppy on Jul 17, 2008 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you
I love this website.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Jul 17, 2008 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're welcome.
Now I’m off to find unicorn butt pictures.
There's no textbook for how to treat a geriatric tapir.
by Poppy on Jul 17, 2008 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll refrain from comment
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 17, 2008 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unicorn and butt juxtaposed make me uncomfortable
When you have a chance to get a guy like Sean Gallagher, you take it!
by WaddellCanseco on Jul 17, 2008 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't want to know how
unicorn and butt make me uncomfortable.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 17, 2008 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
still ranks beneath
straight razor and male genitalia. C’mon, every man shudders involutarily just with the words, and then….the image? !!!!!!!!!!! Bejeeebusss!
"I never predict anything, and I never will." Paul Gascoigne, English footballer
by One won lost won on Jul 17, 2008 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
apparently, Candice Cabbil never got a chance to say ...
I told them 'My game is like a blog.' Because I don't know what a blog is, but it don't sound good. @('.')@
by monkeyball on Jul 17, 2008 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You do know how a trade is completed, right?
If you do, you would not have wasted your time typing exhibit numero uno.
As for the second bullet, the operative word ‘DUH’ comes to mind.
by Pucking Insane on Jul 17, 2008 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alright
How about you tell us what the point of your original comment was then. Since as far as I can tell, it was just “Hey, let me make stuff up so that I sound better informed than everyone else!”
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Jul 17, 2008 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My intent
was to credit Forst, not disparage Beane. The A’s front office is in good hands, and I like that.
by Pucking Insane on Jul 17, 2008 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's true that Forst is heavily involved in trade deals.
However, several reports have documented that it was Billy who was on the phone with Hendry working out the details of the Harden-Gallagher trade.
"Dispatch knuckleheadedness with Bond-like aplomb." –74mk
by iglew on Jul 17, 2008 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and we all know
that reports are always entirely accurate.
by TempletonPeck on Jul 18, 2008 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Miss something
Did Ellis get traded to or is everyone assuming he is gone.
"This was no boating accident"
by crd04us on Jul 17, 2008 4:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
assuming cause one of these kids .....
was the #2 ranked 2nd basemen in baseball, for prospects that is.
S&BP > Mile High Mules ............ Like Sharks? http://mvn.com/nhl-sharks/
by 0akFoSho on Jul 17, 2008 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Assumption
based on drafting a 2B and trading for 2 more in the past 2 weeks.
"Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it?"-Steve McCatty
by 5Aces on Jul 17, 2008 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he hasn't signed an extension
and speculation is that it would be too expensive to keep him.
HELMET: Sandurz, what's going on?
SANDURZ: It's Mega Maid. She's gone from suck to
blow!
by SoCalA'sFan on Jul 17, 2008 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Beane wants to put pressure on Ellis
to sign cheaper by saying, “We’re prepared to move forward without you.” If Ellis signs, these guys are excellent trade chips anyway.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 17, 2008 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Think Foulke
I don’t think Billy intends to make the same mistake twice. He probably expects to sign Ellis but wants to be ready just in case. There was no back up plan for Foulke hence Arthur Rhodes.
by Donner on Jul 17, 2008 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point - Billy was turned down
by Foulke and then Guardado and then Hawkins, and was looking at fearing Mecir in the 9th before settling for Rhodes out of desperation. That won’t happen with Ellis if they talk contract after the season.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 17, 2008 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We were gonna
have Every Day Eddie instead of TARE? I did not know that. Weird, wild stuff.
I’d still rather have Street on my team than K-Rod, just because I hate douchebags. -Taj Adib
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 17, 2008 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think EDE was first choice post-Foulke,
and the A’s thought he would sign, if offered a contract, since he’s from Stockton. Went for the rain in Seattle – rained money too, I hear.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 17, 2008 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought we missed out on Hawkins because we were waiting on Foulke?`
During the two+ weeks of “oh, I’ll sign… maybe I won’t…”
"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."
by Kyli on Jul 18, 2008 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
That is a good point. That was not a fun situation for any of us.
by TempletonPeck on Jul 18, 2008 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's a pet theory of mine
In order of second base priority:
1. Sign Ellis to a 2 (or max 3) year deal to see which of our very young 2B is the future
2. Let Ellis go (type-A free agent), trade for a year of Brian Roberts (which shouldn’t cost too much considering the haul from losing Ellis). BR is signed for $8M next year.
3. Let Ellis go and patch with Patterson and hope all the ground balls go right at him.
by nevermoor on Jul 17, 2008 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, speculation by whom?
Speculation by me is that it wouldn’t be anything of the sort.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Jul 17, 2008 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ellis
I would still try and sign him. Those guys are 2-3 years away!
"This was no boating accident"
by crd04us on Jul 17, 2008 4:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't think so....
The A’s are rebuilding and despite the suprising start the A’s have commited to 2009 or 2010. I am glad they are not settling for a first round exit but instead looking to win it all in a couple of years. Ah the life of an A’s fan, always reaching for the future.
"Some people have asked me whether or not Rickey Henderson belonged in the Hall of Fame. I've replied "if you could somehow split him in two, you'd have two Hall of Famers"" - Author Bill James in The Bill James Handbook (2008)
by rollie_fingers_moustache on Jul 17, 2008 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Petit
Maybe he will fill in for a year.
"This was no boating accident"
by crd04us on Jul 17, 2008 4:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
so, does this make Duke more, or less, likely to be traded?
I told them 'My game is like a blog.' Because I don't know what a blog is, but it don't sound good. @('.')@
by monkeyball on Jul 17, 2008 4:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
hopefully less
HELMET: Sandurz, what's going on?
SANDURZ: It's Mega Maid. She's gone from suck to
blow!
by SoCalA'sFan on Jul 17, 2008 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would think it makes it less likely
I would never say never with this team. But I think it would put too much of a strain on the current rotation to movre Duke during the season.
Even if Beane doesn’t expect to contend this season, I’m not sure he would want to stretch the rotation that thin.
by DiegoAsFan on Jul 17, 2008 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully
This gives them a little more room to extend Duke for a few more years, he is the real deal and would be important in those ‘09 or ‘10 plans.
"Some people have asked me whether or not Rickey Henderson belonged in the Hall of Fame. I've replied "if you could somehow split him in two, you'd have two Hall of Famers"" - Author Bill James in The Bill James Handbook (2008)
by rollie_fingers_moustache on Jul 17, 2008 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unlikely.
Realistically, Billy’s not going to keep Duke.
There’s no evidence other than hope that Duke will be any different than any other pitcher with the A’s—AKA, gone.
"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."
by Kyli on Jul 17, 2008 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only thing I can come up with
is he won’t command a deal like Zito’s on the open market because he’s still sort of an unknown.
Might as well Jump! - Van Halen
by sprtsnwyn on Jul 17, 2008 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only other thing I could say
is that it seems like we usually have at least one guy in the rotation with a bit of experience. Now while next year most everyone will have at least a year, Billy may think that Duke’s additional bullpen time gives him that extra experience that justifies an extra year.
I’ll be the first to admit that’s pretty thin reasoning, but I am clinging to it with both hands.
"Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it?"-Steve McCatty
by 5Aces on Jul 17, 2008 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gallagher, Smith, Eveland, Gio, Simmons (or whatever)
won’t win in 2009. Duke stays.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 17, 2008 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dont count out a Sabathia
Bay Area reunion. Droops.
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin
by Helloooo 1st on Jul 18, 2008 1:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and then drools
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin
by Helloooo 1st on Jul 18, 2008 1:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
since Duke is an unknow maybe we can resign now on the cheap(er).
You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}
by micdog2001 on Jul 17, 2008 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unknown as a starter,
but not as a pitcher. He’s got enough seasoning that I think it’s optimistic to see him as cheap.
"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."
by Kyli on Jul 17, 2008 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He won't get a deal like Zito's, but still--
He’s good pitching, especially with the ERA he has. And he’s proven himself as a versatile reliever, if nothing else, making him less of an unknown. He’s in a good position to be overpaid.
I wish we’d be the ones to do it, but I doubt it. :( :(
"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."
by Kyli on Jul 17, 2008 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
a slight knock against Duke would be he isn't a flame thrower.
a trait that has more perceived value. I think the A’s should re-sign him now before he has a great 2nd half that really shoots his value up.
You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}
by micdog2001 on Jul 17, 2008 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
His chronic back issues may also be a knock
but honestly, with the way he’s pitching this season, I would be incredibly surprised if there wasn’t a GM willing to go Sabean on him.
"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."
by Kyli on Jul 17, 2008 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But he's a great junk-baller...
...which is why he’s effective and fun to watch. Hope they keep him around.
by Technotofu on Jul 17, 2008 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would love it!
if that were to happen but Beane is probably gonna wait till the season is over. Either way, Duke absolutely deserves at least a three year deal. And…...........who will be the starter tomorrow? I think it will be G-Unit , then Gallagher, then Duke on Sunday. Boy, i would love to see Gio come up and get a shot at the the rotation now…......would be very cool.
by mrod on Jul 17, 2008 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Debut at Yankee Stadium?
For an inconsistent 22-year old, I’m not sure that’s the wisest debut. Let him open at the Coliseum, where the conditions are more forgiving and A-Rod rarely bats.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 17, 2008 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trouble is, he might -
when Suzuki sets up on the outside corner. I suppose, though, that they could just set up the rotation:
Smith
Gallagher
Duchscherer
Eveland/Gio
Gio/Eveland
and he’d pitch in Tampa Bay against Sonnanstine or E. Jackson.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 17, 2008 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's what I was trying to say
pitch Gio next week!
by mrod on Jul 17, 2008 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
plus then he could make his debut in his home-state of Florida
might be a little more comfy
(then again could be more nervous)
witty remark
by dtownmbrown on Jul 17, 2008 11:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Depends if he can change his last name to 'Chavez'.
"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."
by Kyli on Jul 17, 2008 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it makes him more likely
Beane is finishing what he started in terms of rebuilding. Street will be gone too. Maybe Duke AND Street in one deal.
The A’s clearly are building for a dynasty-type team by stocking up on some of the best prospects in baseball.
by Tyler Bleszinski on Jul 17, 2008 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't see him NOT trading Street
Duke, I just don’t know.
I told them 'My game is like a blog.' Because I don't know what a blog is, but it don't sound good. @('.')@
by monkeyball on Jul 17, 2008 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That last sentence feels like it could have been used so many times with this team...
"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."
by Kyli on Jul 17, 2008 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In Beane's tenure, he's never done something this drastic
over such a short period of time that I can remember. I could be wrong, but he’s built the A’s minor league system into the top three if not the top one in baseball.
by Tyler Bleszinski on Jul 17, 2008 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's easy to imagine Duke, Ellis, Crosby and Street gone by August
Beane would have to get back an innings eating kind of pitcher though….you think Blanton is available?
When you have a chance to get a guy like Sean Gallagher, you take it!
by WaddellCanseco on Jul 17, 2008 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
An innings-eater won't do any good
if we can’t protect a 9th inning lead – we should think about getting Street.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 17, 2008 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was going to trade him for Blanton
When you have a chance to get a guy like Sean Gallagher, you take it!
by WaddellCanseco on Jul 17, 2008 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Duke AND Street are traded,
the Oakland pitcher with the longest tenure on the team will be …. damn, I don’t even know. Embree??
"Dispatch knuckleheadedness with Bond-like aplomb." –74mk
by iglew on Jul 17, 2008 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Foulke, by a technicality?
Eh, by next week it will probably be Gallagher.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 17, 2008 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Billy hates unicorns.
His desire to get rid of Ellis saddens me. Especially since none of his pile o’ 2B guys project to have Super Awesome Defense of Sparklyness. Which I feel is a fucking requirement to wear his white shoes.
"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."
by Kyli on Jul 17, 2008 4:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Damn
Tell us how you really feel :}
"This was no boating accident"
by crd04us on Jul 17, 2008 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I had photoshop, you'd be seeing an image of Billy carving up a unicorn. XD
"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."
by Kyli on Jul 17, 2008 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's blood keeps him alive
but only with a shell of a life…
Green Hulk Fists
by oaklandSMASH on Jul 17, 2008 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's only cause he split his
soul seven times. Horcruxes! As if…whata maroon…
I’d still rather have Street on my team than K-Rod, just because I hate douchebags. -Taj Adib
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 17, 2008 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is he going to trade a veteran player and a horcrux
for a handful of Hogwarts prospects?
I heard talent coming out of Hufflepuff is underrated.
Green Hulk Fists
by oaklandSMASH on Jul 17, 2008 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They're all spoiled by Quidditch
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by nevermoor on Jul 17, 2008 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like this deal but . . .
I can barey recgonize thise team anymore. Watching the All-Star game made me realize that rooting for the A’s means rooting for a team and not individual players. I knew that before but it stuck out to me a lot more than before.
someone asked me the other day who my favorite Oakland A was and I couldn’t for the life of me think of who it would be. Cust? Ellis? Duke?
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by micdog2001 on Jul 17, 2008 4:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Correct answer: Trevor Cahill
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by PaulThomas on Jul 17, 2008 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Youe would have accepted Gio Gonzalez
as well. LoL.
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by Syphon on Jul 17, 2008 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
would Rickey also be acceptable?
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by 5Aces on Jul 17, 2008 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clearly Ellis for the moment. I guess Chavez if he ever comes back.
When you have a chance to get a guy like Sean Gallagher, you take it!
by WaddellCanseco on Jul 17, 2008 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cahill's value is peaking
Maybe Beane should trade him for prospects.
by richwol1 on Jul 17, 2008 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trade Fremont for Gilroy!
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by Nico on Jul 17, 2008 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trade Fremont for Las Vegas
Oh, wait. That’s during the off-season.
by richwol1 on Jul 17, 2008 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Concord ( as in "conquered")
changed the name of the city to “Conquerer” then the “Conquerer Athletics” might aachieve “sick” status.
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by One won lost won on Jul 17, 2008 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not impossible for a player's value to peak in the minors...
You could make a decent argument that Vince Mazzaro’s value is peaking right now.
Cahill? Uh, nope.
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by PaulThomas on Jul 17, 2008 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously
A guy like Mazzaro would be so much more valuable if the A’s were buying instead of selling. Guys like him (by that I mean the guys who have the highest value in the minors, only an assumption for the purpose of making a point with Mazzaro) are the guys you want to use to acquire major league-ready talent. The A’s aren’t really in that mode, and by the time they are, Mazzaro may have shown himself to be a fluke.
You never see AA Prospect for AA Prospect type deals. I actually sorta wonder why this is.
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by thejd44 on Jul 18, 2008 2:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In other words...
... rooting for laundry? Heh.
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by MJB on Jul 17, 2008 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was rooting for laundry just a little while ago
Seriously, I was like, “Spin! Spin! ... YES!!!! Way to go!!!! Woo hoo!!!!”
It’s slow around here when the A’s aren’t playing.
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by Nico on Jul 17, 2008 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is my problem:
we can’t root for the players, because they’re being traded. We can’t root for laundry, because of the whole Fremont issue—the ‘Oakland’ on the road greys isn’t something we can rely on.
We’re rooting for some sort of abstract, undefined ‘thing’.
So that is why I drink.
"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."
by Kyli on Jul 17, 2008 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I root for whoever's wearing the laundry
Barry Bonds would not be among them, however.
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by Flashfire on Jul 17, 2008 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I continue to root for players when they are naked.
I especially continue to root for players when they are naked.
Keith Foulke, as always, excepted.
"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."
by Kyli on Jul 17, 2008 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fuck.
Children, until we have taught them better, will be perfectly happy with a seasonal round of games in which conkers succeeds hopscotch.
by salb918 on Jul 17, 2008 4:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
But a great action
if done right
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by oaklandSMASH on Jul 17, 2008 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sometimes even when done wrong
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by DMOAS on Jul 17, 2008 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why? Looks like a good deal to me, from what I can tell so far
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by Nico on Jul 17, 2008 4:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
The fact we got something two legit prospects for Blanton is great.
by Mark Borgschulte on Jul 17, 2008 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I think we kind of robbed Philly.
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by micdog2001 on Jul 17, 2008 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
FUCK!
Children, until we have taught them better, will be perfectly happy with a seasonal round of games in which conkers succeeds hopscotch.
by salb918 on Jul 17, 2008 4:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That's a bad word in all caps
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by Nico on Jul 17, 2008 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
methinks
salb918 doesn’t like this deal : -(
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by micdog2001 on Jul 17, 2008 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
methinks
Salb918 really likes Mark Ellis
by GusanoQuemador on Jul 17, 2008 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look, I'm not trying to disobey your orders,
but really think I should wait until my husband gets home.
There's no textbook for how to treat a geriatric tapir.
by Poppy on Jul 17, 2008 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or you could meet him at work.
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by iglew on Jul 17, 2008 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So....
...is there any chance that we still add an impact bat and make a run at it this year? I mean, if that chance still existed after the Harden trade, this trade shouldn’t impact that way of thinking. If they go on a run and win 7 of 10 or something, make up a few games on the Angels, who knows, right?
Keep hope alive!
by jefeboy on Jul 17, 2008 4:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
oh an optimist I see :-)
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by micdog2001 on Jul 17, 2008 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Best chance this year
hinges on whoever gets the call-up for Blanton being dominant. I could see Gio suddenly finding himself, given his last month in Sacto.
However, we are getting a little short on chips to trade for that bat. Can anyone think of an expendable prospect in our system? (PT, please don’t nominate the newly acquired 2Bs.)
by Mark Borgschulte on Jul 17, 2008 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we have only gotten "longer" on chips
We keep swapping major leaguers for multiple prospects. With Outman, we now have him AND Gio, Simmons, Cahill, Anderson, H. Rodriguez, and so on. We now have TWO good hitting 2B-OF prospects in Patterson and Cardenas. We can get a bat if we want one – we just have to give up prospects you’d rather not give up – like Cahill, or Anderson…No matter what we have, the bat you want will always cost the A’s the prospect you want to keep.
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by Nico on Jul 17, 2008 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thinking
of all the trades we’ve made lately there seems to be the logjam factor (on the other side) in deciding to give up prospects. I just don’t see the A’s having that “problem” anywhere. The only place that maybe is happening is with these 2Bs, but if Ellis goes, we need all of these guys to try out for the spot next year. Plus, they all seem to have secondary positions, (Petit SS/3B, Guzman 3B, Patterson OF, etc)
We could always trade young starting pitching for older vets, but if we were going to do that, I don’t think it would be accompanied by dismantling our starting rotation this season. That being said, these last two trades made pretty good sense. 2010 appears to be the goal.
by Mark Borgschulte on Jul 17, 2008 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love this deal
BB has his eyes on the prize. Forget 2008—2010 is going to be awesome.
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by CarGon's Jock on Jul 17, 2008 4:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
2010:
1) Texas
2) Oakland
3) Fullerton
4) Seattle
by oc on Jul 17, 2008 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm confident that despite their strong farm system, texas will still find some way to suck
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
by xbhaskarx on Jul 17, 2008 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who was the last good position player
the As developed? Miguel Tejada?
by FirebatM3 on Jul 17, 2008 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nick Swisher and Mark Ellis come to mind
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by PaulThomas on Jul 17, 2008 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How much time did Ellis spend in KC's system?
The A’s also developed Crosby (FWIW), Zook, and Teahan and Ethier (if we don’t get credit for Ellis, I think we deserve credit for them).
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by Nick on Jul 17, 2008 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chavez was pretty good in the early '00's
When you have a chance to get a guy like Sean Gallagher, you take it!
by WaddellCanseco on Jul 17, 2008 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He came up at the same time as Tejada
though, and the question was whom the A’s have developed since Tejada.
If we go back that far, we could mention Ramon Hernandez, too.
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by Nick on Jul 17, 2008 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I think those were all Grady Fuson guys except Swisher
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by bloodsweatndonuts on Jul 17, 2008 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chavez was pretty good until last year
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by thejd44 on Jul 18, 2008 2:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure you can classify Mark Teahen
as a good position player. He’s really not even average. He hits like a CF, while playing corner OF.
Ethier is an average player or thereabouts, debatable whether that is “good”.
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by rfloh on Jul 18, 2008 12:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They'll just trade it away
ie Danks, Duke, Volquez, etc.
by methodrampage on Jul 17, 2008 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chris Young
They’ve traded away a rotation that could match or exceed that of Oakland or LAA. And kept all the crap.
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by Nico on Jul 17, 2008 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
bye, Cupcakes :(
And until I’m proven otherwise, I’m going to think that this whole stocking-up-on-2B-prospects thing is just in preparation for some sort of middle infield holocaust, in which every team except the A’s loses its second basemen and therefore Beane can trade away all these newly acquired inferior ones while still signing Ellis to an extension.
If that’s not the case, then Beane should start wearing a bulletproof vest, because I hear unicorn gores are pretty painful.
by whiteshoes40 on Jul 17, 2008 5:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs