Breaking News: SportsCenter Reports Blanton traded to Phillies
by Zonis on Jul 17, 2008 3:52 PM PDT
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For three minor leaguers, Tim Kurkjian talking on ESPN right now. More when I get the links.
[update] Kurkjian did not say who the players acquired were, though the host did quesiton why the Phillies wanted a pitcher with a 5 ERA and a 1.5 WHIP
[update 2] From Rotoworld:
ESPN's Buster Olney says the Phillies have acquire Joe Blanton from the A's for three minor leaguers.
No word yet on the prospect, but the A's needed to get either Carlos Carrasco or Adrian Cardenas here. Infielder Jason Donald and catcher Lou Marson are the Phillies' next-best prospects. Getting both Carrasco and Donald would have been a coup for the A's. What this does for the Phillies' plans for Brett Myers is unclear. If Myers would be happy in a setup role, it'd now make sense for the Phillies to convert him.
[update 3] For those curious, you can find Buster Onley's original "Blanton will be traded" video here.
[update 4] The Links have arrived. SF Gate confirms the Blanton trade, and ESPN reveals who we got in the deal.
The Athletics get second baseman Adrian Cardenas, pitcher Josh Outman and outfielder Matthew Spencer, all minor leaguers.
[update 5] Stats for all!
2B Adrian Cardenas [BaseballCube] - Baseball America #2 Phillies Prospect
P Josh Outman [BaseballCube] (great name for a pitcher, btw) Baseball America #4 Phillies Prospect
OF Matthew Spencer [BaseballCube]
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So I guess we are throwing
the white towel officially for this season?
by arch on Jul 17, 2008 3:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Blanton has been really terrible this year, his walk rate and home run rate is way up and he can barely make a 5 ERA with a great park and defense. The A’s can replace him with almost anyone and not lose a thing.
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by Andrew on Jul 17, 2008 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whomever we get back, the rotation just improved
The question is who gets called up to replace Blanton, if no one is acquired in the trade.
Gio to Oakland?
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by Zonis on Jul 17, 2008 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Braden.....guaronteed........until Sept
S&BP > Mile High Mules ............ Like Sharks? http://mvn.com/nhl-sharks/
by 0akFoSho on Jul 17, 2008 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know losses don't mean everything
but Blanton had the most in the league at 12. We’re only 4.5 back in the Wild Card and will more than likely be upgrading the staff in this case. I’m ok with it.
Might as well Jump! - Van Halen
by sprtsnwyn on Jul 17, 2008 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is the kind of deal that immediately improves both teams.
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
by The Dogfather on Jul 17, 2008 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hell no
Addition by subtraction.
George Bush :-) showed what happens when you don’t acknowledge reality and you let your ego rule. If Beane was POTUS, we would have a much better country and domestic + foreign policy would be CONSTANTLY IMPROVING instead of denial and P.R. spun excuses.
We get Gio Gonzalez moved up to JB’s spot. IT’S GIO-TIME. Joe gets a fresh team and a darn good one. BOTH TEAMS WIN IN THIS TRADE!!
Cardenas is the Phillies top postition prospect according to the usually skeptical baseball prospectus 2008. Can’t speak yet for the other two guys.
I realize our emotions often cloud or decisions in investments and this is no different. As in the stock market, bulls and bears make money and pigs get slaughtered. The worst move is no move if you aren’t ready to play the top teams in playoffs. And if you haven’t noticed in the post-steroid era, its a new dawn of young stars in MLB.
Way to go Billy, you are growing a powerhouse long-term CHAMPIONSHIP TEAM from a good second place team.
The A’s are wounded for sure, and young, but l wouldn’t be at all surprised if we contend in 2008.
Now I can root for Chicago Cubs and Philly in the NL.
by ExGiantsFan on Jul 17, 2008 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Flagged
Please observe the CGV and avoid unnecessary political references. It tempts people to political discussion, and we prefer not to see that in AN.
kthxbai
"Dispatch knuckleheadedness with Bond-like aplomb." –74mk
by iglew on Jul 17, 2008 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think comparing Bush running a country to a failing baseball organization is political
I mean, Bush did run a failing baseball organization after all.
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by Zonis on Jul 17, 2008 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And a failed Oil Company (or several)
Ooops, I think this may be proving iglew right…
by nevermoor on Jul 17, 2008 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ummmmm neg.........
GIO needs more time in the minors. Braden will hold down the spot for the time being, at least until Sept.
S&BP > Mile High Mules ............ Like Sharks? http://mvn.com/nhl-sharks/
by 0akFoSho on Jul 17, 2008 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i disagree with you sir
no way dude! gio is totally ready! his era is a little high but he pitches in the PCL… he is ready
Cust is the new Jaha.
by johnjahafanclub on Jul 17, 2008 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just happened to turn on the TV, channel surfing and went to ESPN, and BAM
BREAKING NEWS FROM BUSTER ONLEY-PHILLIES ACQUIRE BLANTON-
wtf?
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by Zonis on Jul 17, 2008 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is just a classic Beane case of trading a valuable player
While not losing anything. Gio Gonzalez is easily good enough to fill in the role.
This is the easiest way to get Blanton out of the rotation while maximizing his value.
Great job by Beane.
by lailaihei on Jul 17, 2008 3:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Word.
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
by The Dogfather on Jul 17, 2008 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oy.....
Be very interesting to see who we got.
Bring back Hammer.
by OaktownPower on Jul 17, 2008 3:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I wants me some Cardenas and Savery
by hibachi7_7_7 on Jul 17, 2008 3:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
if it's the latter, we'll have traded sweet Cupcakes for Savery
I told them 'My game is like a blog.' Because I don't know what a blog is, but it don't sound good. @('.')@
by monkeyball on Jul 17, 2008 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They call him Tastykakes now
Those were the reasons and that was New York, we were running for the money and the flesh.
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Jul 17, 2008 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Butterscotch Krimpets, even
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
by The Dogfather on Jul 17, 2008 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I played double-necked electric bass for the Butterscotch Krimpets in college
I told them 'My game is like a blog.' Because I don't know what a blog is, but it don't sound good. @('.')@
by monkeyball on Jul 17, 2008 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I play now with krimpet-induced fat cells aplenty.
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
by The Dogfather on Jul 17, 2008 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's now on the front of AN...thanks Zonis!
So, bring on Bonds! Or, not... then, bring back Langerhans!! -One won lost one
by baseballgirl on Jul 17, 2008 3:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
And we were all talking about how Onley seemed almost certain that a Blanton deal would be done today.
I know that there was an ESPN online guy who was with a Philly newspaper for quite a long time, was that guy Onley? If so, it would explain how he knew so fast.
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by Zonis on Jul 17, 2008 3:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Isn't it funny
how it doesn’t matter what we got in return? As long as we traded Joe it’s a good trade!
2 boxes of baseballs, perhaps?
by Crosbino on Jul 17, 2008 3:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Seriously
I think we could call up Cahill right now and he’d do just as good of a job as Joe has this year.
by hibachi7_7_7 on Jul 17, 2008 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think a lot of people are assuming a good return
Most people seem to assume someone like Cardenas or Carrasco is coming back.
I’m a little apprehensive about this trade, but I like that it is for 3 prospects. No more AAAA or major league guys who haven’t gotten a shot yet. Hopefully
by DiegoAsFan on Jul 17, 2008 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im with you
Im always surprised by who we actually get and its almost never the guys that everyone talks about in these trades
by chipper1001 on Jul 17, 2008 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cardenas or Carasco, perhaps?
Funny it’s like a wildfire, we don’t even know the players we’re getting.
by arch on Jul 17, 2008 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Farewell, Sweet Prince
It’s shocking how much I’ll miss him on a personal level compared to how little I’ll miss him on a professional level.
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by CurveballKing on Jul 17, 2008 3:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Donald for sure
hopefully Cardenas too, but that might be too much.
by greala on Jul 17, 2008 4:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think it's prolly Cardenas.
Don’t we need infielders more than pitchers? I’ve heard the FTC’s been sniffin’ around—something about monopolization…
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
by The Dogfather on Jul 17, 2008 4:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I saw a whole ton of Phillies prospects at the AA All-Star game last night
and I REALLY liked them, especially Donald. God, I hope we got Donald.
I heart Cupcakes, but for some reason, this trade doesn’t bother me. It’s been rumored for so long, so we’re prepared. And plus… he’s been sucking all year. It kinda feels like a relief.
PLEASE LET IT BE DONALD.
by schmifty on Jul 17, 2008 4:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Makes sense
Some scouts really like Donald, and I don’t think the A’s are set on Crosby at short for the long-term. Maybe toolsy Greg Golson and a pitcher like Outman in the deal, too.
by sggut95 on Jul 17, 2008 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
AN wants Donald...
so we won’t get Donald.
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by Zonis on Jul 17, 2008 4:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm holding out hope for at least one of Donald/Cardenas
I think the one thing we have on our side is that the Phils have Rollins in Utley pretty much blocking the middle infield in Philly.
by DiegoAsFan on Jul 17, 2008 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
...and ESPN doesn't care which young men go west.
We’ll need to look elsewhere for that.
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
by The Dogfather on Jul 17, 2008 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cept it's on ESPN
Bring back Hammer.
by OaktownPower on Jul 17, 2008 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I also am too slow
You only beat me to post this because I forgot and had to reset my password… and then my laptop restated.
by Splendid on Jul 17, 2008 4:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Still no word on who we get..
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/07/17/SP6J11R4MO.DTL&tsp=1
by El Cerrito Steve on Jul 17, 2008 4:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Philly has no spot for Donald
Not like he’s displacing Rollins or Utley, and he’s just about ML ready. Makes sense to me.
by sggut95 on Jul 17, 2008 4:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
We get:
Cardenas, Josh Outman, Matthew Spencer
by hibachi7_7_7 on Jul 17, 2008 4:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If that's true
That’s a pretty good haul.
by sggut95 on Jul 17, 2008 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I'm recalling who those guys are correctly
that’s a fabulous return.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Jul 17, 2008 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
4:30 conference call
to announce trade details according to Hurd.
by arch on Jul 17, 2008 4:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
we didnt get donald
its on bottom of espn
by buckfan6 on Jul 17, 2008 4:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
WTF God Damnit!
When will then be now? Soon.
by Syphon on Jul 17, 2008 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice on Cardenas!
Bring back Hammer.
by OaktownPower on Jul 17, 2008 4:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well Beane has made it clear
we are going to live with Chavez and Crosby forever.
When will then be now? Soon.
by Syphon on Jul 17, 2008 4:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Donald's ability to play short is highly questionable
Chavez… well, he’s signed through 2010 with a 2011 option…
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Jul 17, 2008 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im just so sick of Crosby.
When will then be now? Soon.
by Syphon on Jul 17, 2008 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I am too
Don’t get me wrong.
Still, I’d sure rather the A’s got a quality hitter for 2B and slotted Petit in at short than that they wasted him on second base.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Jul 17, 2008 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So what do you make or Patterson and now Cardenas!
When will then be now? Soon.
by Syphon on Jul 17, 2008 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sadly coming to the conclusion that Mark Ellis will not be extended
Dammit. I love that guy’s game.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Jul 17, 2008 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Same.
But with us having both Cardenas and Patterson… either Patterson goes to the OF or one gets flipped.?
When will then be now? Soon.
by Syphon on Jul 17, 2008 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope flipped...
I hope Beane et al does more trading, so we can infuse talent on areas of weakness…3B, SS, etc….plus, this trading frenzy is exciting. Next up, Street.
by arch on Jul 17, 2008 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
On XM radio
a while ago there was speculation that this move is a prelude to a Jason Bay deal.
by jeffro on Jul 17, 2008 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i am not
i only caught the tail end of it, but someone (a beat writer I think) was talking about 1999 and the trade of kenny rogers followed by the acquiring of Omar Olivares, Randy Velarde, Kevin Appier, etc.
They threw in that this could be a precursor to a move for Jason Bay. If anyone else heard it can they expand pretty please.
by jeffro on Jul 17, 2008 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
what i meant was...
i hope that trade for jason bay truly happens. drool.
by arch on Jul 18, 2008 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blanton in Citizen's Bank?
Yikes…hide the women and children.
Bring back Hammer.
by OaktownPower on Jul 17, 2008 4:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Totally
People keep saying that playing in the NL will be a help, but surely that park is going to kill him. I’d love to see some math on ballpark vs league differentials.
by textonly on Jul 17, 2008 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps.
The other stadiums in the NL East are pitcher’s parks. Shea is a pitcher’s park. As is Turner. As is Florida. It’s too early to tell with Washington, but it looks like it too is a pitcher’s park.
And pitching for the Phillies, he won’t have to face the offense of the Phillies. Granted, the Mets, Marlins, and Braves all have pretty good offenses.
ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524
by rfloh on Jul 17, 2008 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with this
Cupcakes will be a good addition for the phillies
Still, I don’t think he would make many starts for my fantasy team.
"Not in your wildest alcoholic nightmare would you ever imagines such events unfolding!" Bill King
by Buck Turgidson on Jul 17, 2008 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here they are
The Athletics get second baseman Adrian Cardenas, pitcher Josh Outman and outfielder Matthew Spencer, all minor leaguers.
by theblackpearl on Jul 17, 2008 4:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I was right on Outman.
Really thought Donald would be in there, but Cardenas is a better value.
by sggut95 on Jul 17, 2008 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Outman? The Gay Superhero?
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
by The Dogfather on Jul 17, 2008 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he should team up with this guy
I told them 'My game is like a blog.' Because I don't know what a blog is, but it don't sound good. @('.')@
by monkeyball on Jul 17, 2008 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Better that than a pitcher like this guy
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
by The Dogfather on Jul 17, 2008 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
or this guy
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
by The Dogfather on Jul 17, 2008 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A second baseman, pitcher, and outfielder
Good thing we don’t have many of them in our system. =/
by EL E Phant on Jul 17, 2008 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dang,
After we’ve stacked up on SPs, we are now on a 2B/IF binge.
by arch on Jul 17, 2008 4:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I've never been much of a Blanton fan -
even when he was on he didn’t have either the electric stuff of Harden or Haren, or the ruthless efficiency of Hudson or Mulder. But the people who seem to think this trade is “addition by subtraction” are focusing way too much on his results from this year, and in particular the past month. Blanton has a solid track record as a decent (and durable) starting pitcher, and those don’t grow on trees, even for the A’s.
"May a nit suck Cajun geese?" wonders Red. No, we see gnu Jack Cust in a yam.
by andeux on Jul 17, 2008 4:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
he has a solid average as a league average pitcher
and league average pitchers do grow on trees, righ tnow
Jeremy was safe. He jumped over the tag.
by mrrickyg on Jul 17, 2008 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think maybe they do grow on trees for the A's at this point
Doesn’t help this year’s team though…
The A's colors are green and gold.
by mikeA on Jul 17, 2008 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
eh
Sure, we now have something like 10 pitchers (Duchscherer, Eveland, Smith, Gonzalez, Gallagher, Simmons, Mazzaro, Cahill, Anderson, Rodriguez), with a reasonable shot at being in a big league rotation within the next 2-3 years and a few others with an outside shot at it (Meyer, Italiano, Ross, Outman). That’s something not many other teams can claim, and I’m all in favor of trading from a position of strength.
But the attrition rate is high – some will have serious injuries in the minors, some will struggle against better hitters, and some will make it to the majors but still not be as good or as durable as Blanton has been so far in his career. Like I said, I don’t particularly mind losing Blanton, but I don’t think we should blithely assume that 220 league-average innings is something that can be easily replaced, either in the short or the long term, even from our pitching-rich organization.
"May a nit suck Cajun geese?" wonders Red. No, we see gnu Jack Cust in a yam.
by andeux on Jul 17, 2008 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think as early as next year
it may have made sense not to pay him 4 million or whatever instead of the minimum when he’s not obviously one of the best 5 pitchers. He’s probably better than Eveland, maybe better than Gio next year, but with the higher price tag, and uncertainty as to whether he’d actually be better, it’s not clear to me that he had that much value going forward.
The A's colors are green and gold.
by mikeA on Jul 17, 2008 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that was great
my favorite part was the mom telling her kids to sit down because “this is not stinking wrestlemania” and them replying “yeah it is”
The glare was not practiced. I would get into the game situations, and when that happens, there comes a level of concentration that most can only imagine but can never achieve. You become what you are doing, and that is what you see on my face. -Dave Stewart
by Hegenberger Road on Jul 17, 2008 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just realized... we got a 2B... is this post-Ellis planning?
NOoOOOOOoo!!
by schmifty on Jul 17, 2008 4:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
you know, we got one of them for Harden, too.
by mikev on Jul 17, 2008 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And drafted one
for the post-post-Ellis planning.
There's no textbook for how to treat a geriatric tapir.
by Poppy on Jul 17, 2008 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point
Bit of a logjam at second. Anyone heard anything about Cardenas’ D? Can he stick at second? I heard Weeks is a plus defender.
by sggut95 on Jul 17, 2008 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
weeks a plus defender?
I hear he is mediocre at second.
by asyouwish33 on Jul 17, 2008 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
May be a matter of opinion
I think people are generally agreed that he has the tools to be a plus defender at second. The question is whether he will make sufficient use of them.
Hey, if he ends up in center field, it’s not the end of the world.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Jul 17, 2008 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The question on Weeks was if he would even be able to stick at 2nd Base, or if he'd have to be moved to LF
because he doesn’t have the skillset to play any other position.
Think Soriano…
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by Zonis on Jul 17, 2008 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, I know you're bitter
but even I’m not this down on Weeks.
Although I will admit that looking at Aaron Hicks’ .300 average makes me grind my teeth a little.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Jul 17, 2008 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In a manner of speaking
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Jul 17, 2008 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Info
Cardenas
- BA #2 prospect in Phillies org. 20 year old second baseman.
.309/.374/.444 16 SB/0 CS in A ball
Outman
- BA #4 prospect in Phillies org. 23 year old LHP.
5-4, 3.20 ERA, 66K in 70 IP in AA
Spencer
- 22 year old LF
.249/.317/.367
by sggut95 on Jul 17, 2008 4:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Those are some nice #'s
on Cardenas and Outman.
Spencer seems like a decent third prospect too.
by ohmangoAs on Jul 17, 2008 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't know a think about Spencer
Never really heard of him.
by sggut95 on Jul 17, 2008 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
C+ from Sickels
Haven’t heard much more.
But after Cardena and Outman anything is a plus
by ohmangoAs on Jul 17, 2008 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Outman
Cardenas definitely looks like a nice prospect, especially if he can stick in the IF (it sounds like reports are mixed).
Outman has a pretty high walk rate to go with his strikeouts.
Spencer’s appeal must be based on scouting, because his stats this year are pretty horrible. But our system is not exactly overflowing with good position players, so even a C+ prospect is worth something to us.
"May a nit suck Cajun geese?" wonders Red. No, we see gnu Jack Cust in a yam.
by andeux on Jul 17, 2008 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those SBs are surprising, as he appears to be slow
The A's colors are green and gold.
by mikeA on Jul 17, 2008 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he's a smart Baserunner?
Hopefully he’s getting them because he has smart instincts…That’s good to have even if the SB’s don’t translate…
by ohmangoAs on Jul 17, 2008 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another LHP!
Gio, Anderson, and Outman…gotta figure 1 or ideally 2 make it.
by ohmangoAs on Jul 17, 2008 4:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Keith Law
Seems to like Outman, for what it’s worth.
by sggut95 on Jul 17, 2008 4:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Where does outman go
AA? That rotation is getting Fierce. Cahill, Anderson, Mazzaro, Simmons, and Outman? Wow.
by ohmangoAs on Jul 17, 2008 4:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, he has been pitching mainly in relief so far this year
Not sure what the A’s plan for him is, but I be there will be plenty of space for him when Anderson, and Cahill hed to Beijing.
by DiegoAsFan on Jul 17, 2008 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The more I think about this
it’s conceivable (obviously unlikely given how prospects are) that this could be an MLB rotation.
by ohmangoAs on Jul 17, 2008 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wake me up... Next Year.
I'm not a big wine guy... Where do you grow the BEER?
by str8tarrow on Jul 17, 2008 4:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think this really hurts are chances too much this year.
I think even DiNardo or Saarloos could pitch at about the same level Blanton was this year. And if their willing to push Gio he could be an improvement this year.
by DiegoAsFan on Jul 17, 2008 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So we traded our WORST starter...
Yep. Thats screams given up.
When will then be now? Soon.
by Syphon on Jul 17, 2008 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's been a mess so far this year...
but he can have one of those dominating months like he always did every year..plus up until this year, he’s been reliable, an innings eater, and a decent #3 starter. Point is, he is not as bad as his numbers are right now.
by arch on Jul 17, 2008 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He just can't get through the order twice any more
It’s either one of two explanations
1. Conditioning problem, which he could fix (but Philly may not be the ideal place)
2. Stuff problem, in which case we just made out like bandits.
by nevermoor on Jul 17, 2008 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When did we pick up TBD?
He is scheduled to pitch on the A’s site. Seems kinda dark and ominous in his picture.
I'm not a big wine guy... Where do you grow the BEER?
by str8tarrow on Jul 17, 2008 4:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Tampa Bay Dan?
I told them 'My game is like a blog.' Because I don't know what a blog is, but it don't sound good. @('.')@
by monkeyball on Jul 17, 2008 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tampa Bay Devil, if only to hear this exchange:
Fosse: “Who’s pitching tonight, Ken ?”
Korach: “Tampa Bay Devil, Ray”
by green star oakland on Jul 17, 2008 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your new #5 starter: Dan Johnson
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Jul 17, 2008 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he throws a nasty sunscreen ball
I told them 'My game is like a blog.' Because I don't know what a blog is, but it don't sound good. @('.')@
by monkeyball on Jul 17, 2008 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
From mlb.com:
“The sources who confirmed the trade would not identify the prospects, and if none of them are big league-ready starters, it’s likely that Gio Gonzalez will be promoted from Triple-A Sacramento, giving the A’s three southpaw starters.”
by schmifty on Jul 17, 2008 4:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
From a Phillies Blog
http://phuturephillies.com/2008/02/11/pecota-and-phillies-prospects/
Written in February 2008, so reasonably recent
Adrian Cardenas; 37.0 Upside, 1.02 BETA [comparables = Hank Blalock, Nate Spears, Paul Kelly, Brent Abernathy]Cardenas comes in as the 9th highest prospect on the 2B list. A few guys at the top look to drop off this season because of eligibility (Antonelli, Patterson) so he could jump up this list, especially moving to a better hitting environment in Clearwater. The big thing here is his first comparable, Hank Blalock. Blalock’s career has sputtered a bit due to injury, but he burst onto the scene as a 22 year old in 2003, posting an .872 OPS in the big leagues in 567 AB. Cardenas seems to have the pure hitting ability, the power is the only real question mark, in addition to where he settles in defensively.
Spencer:
Matt Spencer; 10.0 Upside, 0.98 BETA [comparables = Mike Butia, Mark Hamilton, Jason Fransz, Dan Johnson]Spencer doesn’t get a whole lot of love from PECOTA, but his BETA is right near average in terms of it’s riskiness. Spencer of course only has a half season under his belt, and could see his number rise with a good 2008 campaign. Dan Johnson saw some big league time with Oakland at 1B, and Mark Hamilton is a 1B prospect for the Cardinals, so it might see Spencer as following along that path. I think Spencer is a guy who could outperform the expectations set here.
And Outman:
Josh Outman; 18.7 Upside, 1.43 BETA [comparables = Josh Kalinowski, Daniel Haigwood, Michael Mimbs, Charlie Manning]Outman is one of the more interesting guys, not only on this list, but in general. We all know how he greatly altered his mechanics, and how he’s still fairly raw, all things considered. His Upside score isn’t great, his BETA is lower than a bunch of other Phillies guys on this list, but scouts still love the raw velocity and potential. The interesting thing is Dan Haigwood showing up as a similar player. Haigwood was a soft tossing lefty for the most part and lacked Outman’s velocity. His control wasn’t the best though, which is Outman’s biggest fault at this point.
by ohmangoAs on Jul 17, 2008 4:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I like how
Spencer’s comparable is Dan Johnson. Great.
by Sliderule on Jul 17, 2008 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, it's good! There's a gap that needs to be filled. Just practice:
“Matt Spencer?” “Matt Spencer.”
"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."
by Kyli on Jul 17, 2008 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blalock?
I could deal with a Blalock or two on the team.
www.curveballcity.com
by CurveballKing on Jul 17, 2008 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it just me
Or was Outman BORN to be a pitcher.
That name can only fare well with the baseball gods
"If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant’s life, she will choose to save the infant’s life without even considering if there is a man on base."
–Dave Barry
by AustryaN41 on Jul 17, 2008 4:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, at least he's not
a light-hitting low-OBP middle infielder or OF a la Juan Pierre.
by Sliderule on Jul 17, 2008 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's the greatest news
I have heard all year.
by Trainman on Jul 17, 2008 4:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I can't understand why some people are upset on here...
Dude, it’s not like he is dead or anything….you can just flip over to the Phillies station and watch him stink over there!
Good bye, thank you and (thwack…sound of door hitting sizable ass) good luck!
"the A's need more quality preembreetive pitching" ~monkeyball
by OptimistPrime on Jul 17, 2008 6:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Go easy man
Blanton pitched well, and was a fun member of the team. No need to thrash him for being league average. Among our rotation, anyone could look bad if they have a rough 1/2 season.
by ohmangoAs on Jul 17, 2008 7:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
About the trade
I dont think it signals the white flag being waved as Blanton was not doing much for the A’s this year and even in his starts when he was good the A’s were still on the short end of the win/loss stick. I like the new blood to come into the starting rotation, but I wonder who it is going to be. Hopefully Barden and/or some of the former MLB guys at AAA will at least pitch the A’s to a .500 record in there starts. Also idk if its 100% yet but yahoo sports has Smith taking the hill tomorrow in NY.
by A'sfaninNC on Jul 17, 2008 6:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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