Why You May Not Like Patterson - And Why Maybe You Should
It's easy not to be high on Eric Patterson, the 2Bman-or-something acquired as part of the Rich Harden deal.
The first reason to hate Patterson is that he could be considered a possible heir-apparent to Mark Ellis, and let's face it - you don't need a rational reason to despise anyone who might replace Sir Unicorn himself, Mark Ellis. The second reason to hate him is that by all accounts he is not a very good defensive 2Bman, and if any team's fans can appreciate the value of a good defensive 2Bman it's the Oakland A's. The third reason to hate him is the idea that he might be moved to the outfield, where he would risk being a so-so defensive player who would add to the seemingly endless list of young outfielders that are high up on the A's depth chart.
Now let's remember three reasons to like Eric Patterson, the last of which is really the main point of this post. The first reason is that by all accounts, he can hit and the A's, like, need someone like that, like really a lot. The second reason is that if can help the A's offensively, he doesn't need a position in order to be extremely valuable.
I have seen comparisons between Patterson and Chone Figgins, who has plugged in for injured or underperforming players at 2B, 3B, LF, and CF and provided an offensive spark. I think a better comparison, and one that uses Oakland A's history, is Tony Phillips. Phillips was not a "nice journeyman utility player on a team that needed filler," he was a valuable "jack of all trades" asset for a highly competitive team.
"Utility players" are guys who aren't good enough to hit or play any position every day, but are good enough to strengthen the bench. Phillips, Figgins, and potentially Patterson, are not inadequate so much as they are versatile. How sweet would it have been had injuries to Gonzalez in May, Chavez in June, and Ryan Sweeney in July, had a Patterson ready to step in and keep the offense going?
If he can hit enough, run well, and play multiple positions adequately, Patterson could be a tremendous asset to the depth of a team that does not rely on him to be the every day solution at any given position. You may not like Patterson as a potential starter for the A's, but I love him as a potential "10th man" in the lineup. I have little doubt about this: Billy Beane highly values depth right now, as well he should, and Patterson has the potential to give the A's a lot more of it.
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One reason not to like him: he's 25
One reason to like him: He could cause us to DFA Emil Brown.
Seriously, Patterson is hot, having recently homered in three straight games and has a .900 OPS at AAA. Plus he’s really fast. Emil Brown sucks. Please replace the two on the roster, Billy. That is all.
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by vignette17 on Jul 17, 2008 11:36 AM PDT 0 recs
Fast is good.
I like fast.
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by Leopold Bloom on
Jul 17, 2008 11:42 AM PDT
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The usual Emil sucks, if you have Patterson, Brown makes more sense than Rajai Davis. Brown,
can hit, and has opsed 1.111 over the past week, and .872 over the month of July.
by theblackpearl on
Jul 17, 2008 11:51 AM PDT
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You know,
BC’s my identified problem, not Emil. If Emil starts hitting like he did at the beginning of the season and stops creating base-clearing “doubles” out of playable balls hit in the outfield, I’ll show DFA some love. Even if I am alone in the AN.
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by Leopold Bloom on
Jul 17, 2008 1:48 PM PDT
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It will be interesting to see what happens tomorrow...
assuming Crosby comes off the DL and Petit gets sent down, Sacramento will have a middle infield log jam. My guess…Petit goes back to short, Pennington goes to 2B and Patterson moves to the OF. It looks as if Sac. is already prepared for some changes when their 2nd half begins. IF – Mike Affronti was sent back to Midland, OF – Denorfia was sent to Stockton for some unknow reason (maybe to make room for Patterson in the OF or keep Denorfia in CALI because he is close to being activated – which will cause more rosterbation problems) and Buck and Guzman are MIA.
I assume that R. Sweeney will be ready to go…so Murton gets sent back down and Bankston comes back up.
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by athleticsBB4life on Jul 17, 2008 11:47 AM PDT 0 recs
Guzman
Is there any word on him? He’s not on the DL, but he hasn’t played in two weeks.
by 31Boots on
Jul 17, 2008 11:57 AM PDT
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The Rivercats are turning into the A's....
not DLing guys unti a week afetr the players injury. I’m assuming they wanted to avoid placing Buck and Guzman on the 7-day DL with the AAA All-Star break on the horizon. It’s funny…Buclk hasn’t played since the July 9th and there is no info on ther site or any of the local papers or MLB notes.
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by athleticsBB4life on
Jul 17, 2008 12:19 PM PDT
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Not sure if it matters but Patterson was a PCL All-Star last year
And, shameless plug, I have five photos I took of him here.
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by Flashfire on Jul 17, 2008 11:52 AM PDT 0 recs
He actually hits left-handed
I’d be happy if he takes Rajai F’n Davis’s spot. Otherwise, I’m definitely not excited by him yet. If his defense comes around with new instruction, he could be interesting.
by 31Boots on Jul 17, 2008 11:53 AM PDT 0 recs
Billy values depth?
Billy Beane highly values depth right now, as well he should, and Patterson has the potential to give the A’s a lot more of it.
Apparently Billy doesn’t value it more than two guys I haven’t heard anything about since last November named Kristian Bell and Graham Godfrey, or more than about $1.6M over 2 years, which were enough for the Blue Jays to snag Scutaro.
by Sliderule on Jul 17, 2008 11:59 AM PDT 0 recs
selling high on Scutaro
Within a year, he might’ve yielded nothing. Also, Donnie Murphy was out of options and Beane knew he wanted Murphy to be the backup MIF.
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by notsellingjeans on
Jul 17, 2008 10:40 PM PDT
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the backup what?
Oh. Never mind.
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by monkeyball on
Jul 18, 2008 12:38 PM PDT
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Oh boy
Are we going to start this thing where we act like Marco Scutaro was more than a marginal major league ballplayer because of one homer against Mariano Rivera again? Scutaro wasn’t that good, and getting two organizational filler guys for him was more than enough.
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by thejd44 on
Jul 18, 2008 1:38 AM PDT
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D'Backs reacquire....
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by athleticsBB4life on Jul 17, 2008 12:04 PM PDT 0 recs
Yankees sign .216 hitter...
Assuming the deal is completed, he’ll be in the lineup Saturday against Oakland.
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by athleticsBB4life on Jul 17, 2008 12:06 PM PDT 0 recs
That's good news for us
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by Flashfire on
Jul 17, 2008 12:09 PM PDT
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Sexson in 2008
hitting .300 vs A’s, and .308 BA vs Boston.
New York hopes it’s gonna pay…
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by One won lost won on
Jul 17, 2008 2:35 PM PDT
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I have grave doubts about the Beane regime's ability to utilize a player in that way
First of all, they’ve had numerous opportunities over the past decade to utilize players in that way (either players who were “naturally” adept at multiple positions or those who showed obvious transferrable skills, especially under the potential tutelage of Wash)—and they never have.
Second, the few players they have tried this with were really stupid choices (often borne out of the “necessity” of not having planned enough redundancy in the roster)—Kotsay at 1B, Scutaro in the OF.
Third, how “versatile” is a guy who can’t really play 2B and is just learning how to play the OF … at the age of 25?
Fourth, if the team builds its “depth” on one “rover” like this—what happens when he catches Sales-Davis Syndrome and misses 6 weeks with pulled hammies/quads?
Fifth, OBP, which is his supposed strength, ain’t the A’s biggest weakness. Yes, Patterson relies more on AVG for his OBP than many current (and projected) A’s hitters, and there’s a value to that—but it also could mean that Patterson won’t be able to hit MLB pitching at a .300+clip, which could turn him into … yet another .270/.350 batter, which is precisely what we have an abundance of.
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by monkeyball on Jul 17, 2008 12:20 PM PDT 0 recs
actually, the A's have very few .270 hitters...unless the .270 is Slugging%
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by athleticsBB4life on
Jul 17, 2008 12:26 PM PDT
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Can someone please explain the unicorn references that occur when Mark Ellis’s name comes up?
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by Monday Fan on Jul 17, 2008 12:59 PM PDT 0 recs
ANcillary Terms are your friends
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by doctorK on
Jul 17, 2008 1:07 PM PDT
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No they're not
I don’t see anything that explains the unicorn silliness there and I’m certainly not going to scroll all the way through that tedious game thread you linked to. Thanks for the effort but I don’t need to know that badly.
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by Monday Fan on
Jul 18, 2008 10:10 AM PDT
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by Poppy on
Jul 17, 2008 3:36 PM PDT
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I'm with you totally on this one.
I find all the hate for “he’s not Corey!” puzzling. He can flat-out, straight up hit, and has hit his entire minor league career. He’s not just a hitter, either, he’s a polished and patient hitter. I look forward to seeing him in the green and gold, or in the bigs in general if he gets flipped. I watched him a quite a bit in spring training, and he was fun to watch. No joke pop in his bat.
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by jeepers on Jul 17, 2008 1:19 PM PDT 0 recs
DeRosa is playing pretty well so far this year
he’s at
OBP = .377
SLG = .453
OPS = .830
by echerrst on
Jul 17, 2008 1:40 PM PDT
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Basing anything....
....on what the Cubs have chosen to do isn’t always a great idea.
by rageon on
Jul 17, 2008 2:08 PM PDT
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They have a lot of money invested in DeRosa.
He wouldn’t just have to be better than DeRosa to take his job, he’d have to be WAY better.
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by jeepers on
Jul 17, 2008 2:14 PM PDT
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similarity applies in Oaktown if Patterson were to replace Ellis
We fans have a lot invested in MaEl. Patterson wouldn’t just have to be better than Ellis to make us like him, he would have to be WAY better.
by asfansince1989 on
Jul 17, 2008 2:54 PM PDT
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Regarding the "he's 25 concern,"
personally I think a lot of folks get a bit too caught up in age, which is an important predictor but also can be highly circumstantial. Some players emerge late (David Ortiz), some are pegged incorrectly as filler after a bad season due to injury (Jack Cust), some are blocked and are denied opportunity with their parent organization (Andy LaRoche seems victim to this), some are not appreciated by their parent club and are passed over unnecessarily, and so on. 25 may be "old" by prospect standards, but it’s not old and plenty of players have had their first good major league season at the age of 25 or 26.
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by Nico on Jul 17, 2008 2:53 PM PDT 0 recs
but he was the best player in his draft, so his problems were self inflicted.
by theblackpearl on
Jul 17, 2008 3:19 PM PDT
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not comparing Patterson's ceiling with Hamilton
Just adding a data point to players who realizes potential later in career. His offense looks to be a significant upgrade over the likes of Murphy/Hannahan, and probably better than Petit, even though he’s 1.5 years older than Petit. Actually flip that around, does anyone think Petit will be as good of a hitter as Patterson is now, by the end of 2009? Looking at it this way, it does seem that Patterson is a good fit for the near term (1-2 years) 2B fill-in + utility man type. I would like to see him getting a shot in the big league this year.
by asfansince1989 on
Jul 17, 2008 3:46 PM PDT
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Petit is a guy
who can OPS a hundred points lower than Patterson and still be a better player because of defense.
I don’t believe he’s a better hitter, but I DO believe he’s a better player.
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by PaulThomas on
Jul 17, 2008 4:31 PM PDT
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I hope to see Petit and Patterson as the keystone combo
I’m uncomfortable signing Ellis to a long term deal
When you have a chance to get a guy like Sean Gallagher, you take it!
by WaddellCanseco on
Jul 17, 2008 7:58 PM PDT
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Ellis could probably OPS 200 points lower than Patterson and be a better player
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by PaulThomas on
Jul 17, 2008 10:10 PM PDT
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(OK, I'm exaggerating there. Maybe 150 though.)
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by PaulThomas on
Jul 17, 2008 10:11 PM PDT
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I don't think Patterson will outhit any of the people you mentioned in your post
And Hamilton only didn’t reach his potential because of an injury and subsequent drug addiction. This is one of the most obvious cases of apples and oranges I’ve ever seen. Had he not made some bad choices (and had some bad luck), Hamilton could’ve been doing this 4 or 5 years ago. Patterson just kind of isn’t that good at baseball.
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by thejd44 on
Jul 18, 2008 1:40 AM PDT
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if you just did what I think you did ...
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by monkeyball on
Jul 18, 2008 12:41 PM PDT
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Here's my problem with the "Patterson as supersub" proposal:
He has a noodle arm.
THT recently had a series on supersubs, and the author observed that very few lefties have filled the role because they can only really play four positions (and his criteria required a bunch of starts at 3 positions or quite a few at 4 to qualify).
Well, Patterson has the same problem. He’s not realistically an option at third or short, and he’s probably not an option at right field. So he’s down to four positions, although he might be able to “fill” right field by bumping someone like Ryan Sweeney over to right and playing left himself. But that won’t be happening in the infield unless you want to see a revival of the Barton-at-third experiment.
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by PaulThomas on Jul 17, 2008 4:35 PM PDT 0 recs

















