"Ellis looks absolutely lost at the plate right now": A's 7, Angels 3
In my (and Nico's, and Jennifer's) defense, Ellis had looked pretty bad recently at the plate (while his defense has remained outstanding, of course). But that was certainly a sweet swing Ellis had in the 12th, dropping the bat head and getting all of a Bootcheck meatball for a game-winning grand slam. (Not so incidentally, that makes Ellis an even .500 lifetime against Bootcheck: 6/12 with 2 HRs.)
This was a game of multiple highlights and ups and downs, rather than dominant performances. Harden struck out the side on 9 pitches in the first ... but then got the yips with his control in the 4th, walking 3 (two of whom scored, one on the Vlad HR) and driving his pitchcount up and ensuring his early departure after 6 IP. The offense look solid at times -- Hannahan and Chavez both with excellent at-bats in the first, Gonzalez and Chavez again with solid RBI knocks in the 4th and 7th -- but utterly lost for much of the game (and Geren's ploy to swap in Davis and Brown for Cust and Chavez, especially knowing since as early as the 2nd that Crosby might have to be subbed out, didn't help matters). The A's pen, despite a few too many walks by Embree, Foulke, and Brown, kept their collective shoulder against the door, shutting the Angels out for 8 innings. Brad Ziegler earned the win (insofar as a reliever can) with 1-2/3 innings, including two double plays (one of the more unconventional variety, on a soft liner to Petit).
Harden, despite his struggles in the 4th, could probably have escaped unscathed if not for the sheer physical brilliance of Vlad Guerrero. That homerun was just stupid. No way any human being should be able to hit a changeup that's knee-high a foot in front of the plate and dropping in fair territory, let alone over the fence. Props to Vlad on that one. And props to Casey Kotchman, who put on a clinic in the field at first base today (and recovered nicely from what could have been a debilitating crash into the wall in foul territory).
The one thing I do hold against Harden is the walk of Anderson in front of Vlad before Vlad's HR. As I mentioned in my pregame writeup, Harden's got a bizarre history of letting Garrett "I'd average below one pitch per AB if I could" Anderson get on base and drive his pitch count up, and putting people on in front of Vlad is always dangerous. Odd (meaningless and non-significant) stat of the day: Garrett Anderson is currently the all-time career walks leader against Harden. Yeah, OK, with ... 6. Including today's. For a lead over the crowd at #2 of ... 2. But still: this is GARRET ANDERSON we're talking about here. Strikes, Rich.
On the whole, though, an entirely satisfying win against the Slegna.
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Just goes to show...
...someone can look like total crap but all it takes is one swing to win a game.
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by Flashfire on Jun 8, 2008 5:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It's funny - today I didn't like a lot of the moves
Geren made, yet in almost every case he was vindicated (perhaps fortunately, but he was).
I didn’t like pinch running Raj Davis in the 7th, yet he stole second and scored, where Cust might well have been stranded at third. And that run was huge, obviously. I’m assuming Chavy needed to come out anyway, or else pinch running Emil was really dumb – but Chavy may just have been spent by the 7th and needed to come out.
I didn’t like Foulke in the 8th, wanted Street in for two innings, but clearly Street was not at 100%, never hitting 90 MPH on the gun and getting the dreaded visit from the trainer. And Foulke got it done, if barely.
And so on.
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by Nico on Jun 8, 2008 5:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I only had a real problem with a couple moves
I didn’t like pinch running for Chavez, though, as you say, he might have been spent. I’m leaving open the possibility that removing him from the game wasn’t merely a matter of Geren thinking Brown is a faster/better baserunner. If that was the case, horrible move and Geren gets 20 lashes or something.
I didn’t like Embree in the 7th. I know Embree is one of those rubber arm guys who can seemingly pitch everyday, but that doesn’t mean he should be doing that, especially when he’s the only LHP in the bullpen. (I also know that there are plenty of relievers in baseball who have pitched in more games than Embree, but, again, doesn’ t mean it’s a good idea). I thought Brown was a perfect fit for the 7th down a run, and I probably would’ve sent him back out there for the 8th unless the score changed drastically (as in the A’s scoring 6 runs or something).
I don’t have a problem with Foulke in the 8th just because I have more confidence in him than everybody else. I also don’t like using Street for more than an inning unless absolutely necessary.
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by thejd44 on Jun 8, 2008 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree on the Raj move turning out well
It’s always a tossup late in a close game—the run that Davis can score but Cust can’t may be huge, but so may be the out that Cust Doesn’t make later that Davis does.
It was more the confluence of all three moves that I didn’t like—unless Chavez was actually hurt, if I’m Geren, I keep Chavvy in the game (he was only DH’ing, after all).
And I agree with thejd44 below—if the Brown-for-Chavez move was a pure strategic move to get a marginally faster player in at second, horrible move and 20 lashes for Geren.
Why does such a wonderful man like such terrible things? @('.')@
by monkeyball on Jun 8, 2008 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was worried when it was the ...
7th inning. I thought that was a little soon to take Cust out for the game .
by IM4Oakgal on Jun 8, 2008 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was almost guaranteed that Cust's spot
would come up in the 9th and if it had stayed 3-2 that would have been a real problem. At least Davis was in to steal, which made use of his speed and helped make it not 3-2!
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by Nico on Jun 8, 2008 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
apparently Street's groin has been bothering him
Geren said that’s why he and the trainer ran to the mound, but Street waved them off.
Let’s just hope Crosby’s staying in for most of the game even though his ankle was sprained doesn’t come back to bite the A’s.
I had a good feeling about Ellis in that last at bat. Bases loaded, Bootcheck couldn’t walk him.
by OaklandSi on Jun 8, 2008 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What did Street say,
“No no, it’s not that, I just suck – fine I’ll stop sucking.”
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by Nico on Jun 8, 2008 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought Crosby came out of the game right after he hurt himself?
Also, there are probably a number of female (and male, who knows?) posters here who would volunteer to help Huston with his groin troubles.
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by thejd44 on Jun 8, 2008 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crosby hurt his ankle in the second inning
according to several articles and the A’s postgame show.
by OaklandSi on Jun 9, 2008 5:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
woo hoo
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by xbhaskarx on Jun 8, 2008 5:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Bad for my blood pressure.
Now I can get back to work. As we all know, my real job is to tell Suzuki to be bad at the plate. I might be up for a raise…but I would love to get fired for poor job performance.
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by tresselfan on Jun 8, 2008 6:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Watched from home today.
I had a sinking feeling we were going to lose with Cust and Chavvy being replaced…but it all worked out for the best. I was so pleased for Ellis. ..of course I was pleased for Ziggy too.
The hitting thing…just continues to plague the A’s. But kudos to the pitching staff. They are awesome.
I watched Baseball Tonight before the game…they talked about the Angels being the best team in baseball. I think today’s game proved that they have some real flaws too.
by IM4Oakgal on Jun 8, 2008 6:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The Angels being the best team in baseball?
I know BBTN smokes the good stuff, but wow.
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by Flashfire on Jun 8, 2008 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oops
I meant the best team in the AL…they argued about whether the best team in baseball was the Cubs or the Halos. One guy thought it was still the RS. But the suggestion of the Angels irritated me.
by IM4Oakgal on Jun 8, 2008 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you can make a strong case
for LAA being the top team in the AL, though I think ultimately Boston is.
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by Nico on Jun 8, 2008 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If your case for being the best team in the AL includes the following:
...then you are not anywhere close to being the best team in the AL.
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by salb918 on Jun 8, 2008 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but they lead the league in grit
http://bocropleasestopswingingatbadpitches.blogspot.com/
by thejd44 on Jun 8, 2008 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Mike Soscia
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin
by Helloooo 1st on Jun 8, 2008 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hitting
The offense wasn’t terrible today until the two best hitters (3 best, I guess, if you count Crosby). Of course, Petit and Davis both played significant roles in scoring a run in the last inning.
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by thejd44 on Jun 8, 2008 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's funny
My wife’s brother was having a little birthday gathering and I had to leave after the top of the 11th. I told my wife on the way out the door that the team will likely lose now because they don’t have either Chavez or Cust in the lineup and I couldn’t stand to watch a sweep in Oakland any way.
I’m SOOOOO glad I was wrong.
by Tyler Bleszinski on Jun 8, 2008 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by The Dogfather on Jun 8, 2008 6:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Figured this would be worth keeping for the sake of it

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by Flashfire on Jun 8, 2008 6:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
1 down, 510 to go!
Come on, Ziggy, you can do it!
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by thejd44 on Jun 8, 2008 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bootcheck
After today’s game and the hurt the A’s put on him during that blowout, I’m actually starting to feel sorry for Chris Bootcheck.
by rageon on Jun 8, 2008 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bootcheck
Everytime I see him I’m reminded of one of Billy Beane’s biggest blunders (IMO). The Angels drafted Chris Bootcheck with the 1st round pick the A’s coughed up for the signing of Mike Magnante. I have yet to see an explanation for that decision. To give up a first round pick for bullpen filler is borderline insane. That’s the sort of thing we expect of Brian Sabean, not Billy Beane. Does anyone know what happened there?
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by Monday Fan on Jun 8, 2008 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, the Angels used the first-round pick
for bullpen filler…
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by PaulThomas on Jun 8, 2008 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha
Mags and Bootstraps are and were foam peanuts.
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by Gaijin_Suketto on Jun 9, 2008 12:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
But what would Billy have done with the pick? IIRC, he took Freddie Bynum in the second round which was the A’s first pick in the draft. I’d like to think he’d have picked someone better than Boothcheck or Bynum.
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by Monday Fan on Jun 9, 2008 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What was the deal
with Crosby? I was at the game so had no commentary and wondered why he came out, and I noticed above the reference to knowing he may come out after the 2nd. What was wrong? But in any case, how about some love for Petit! A couple nice plays in the field and a big hit – the new super sub?
BTW, it was nice to see so many fans hanging until the end.
by sslinger on Jun 8, 2008 6:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
"Slight sprained ankle"
sustained, I believe, leaving the batter’s box in his final AB. Tsk, tsk – if he had just struck out, this wouldn’t have happened.
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by Nico on Jun 8, 2008 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Game Over, A's Win
Halos exposed by the Unicorn Magic
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by Buck Turgidson on Jun 8, 2008 6:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
"...right now."
"JOAN! Are you watching Bombast? Did you see Lack Bust drop that fly call?"
by Jennifer on Jun 8, 2008 6:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm happy!
Don't blame me, I voted for Ice Cream
by Englishmajor on Jun 8, 2008 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
please remember to turn the water off
when you are not using it. This is California, not BC.
And thanks for losing the marmot.
by Brian in 317 on Jun 9, 2008 6:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Additional thought -
The fact that the A’s rallied against K-Rod, even ultimately unsuccessfully, contributed to K-Rod being unavailable today, which meant Arredondo was the closer, which is why it was Bootcheck and not Arredondo…
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by Nico on Jun 8, 2008 6:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Still wondering if Scoscia was trying to rest Arredondo as well
He did pitch in the prior two games, right?
If he was simply keeping Arredondo as the “closer,” well… I’ll charitably refer to that as indescribably stupid.
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by PaulThomas on Jun 8, 2008 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Arredondo was the closer
He was up briefly when it looked like the Angels might take the lead.
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by Nico on Jun 8, 2008 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I saw him warming in two separate innings, actually
Could be mistaken on that, but it seems silly to warm the guy up twice and not use him.
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by thejd44 on Jun 8, 2008 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
so
are we going to see Hanna Montana play short on Tuesday? or prep to play 2nd after Ellis leaves via free agency?
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by closetasfan on Jun 8, 2008 6:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
For probably the first time all season
The Angels will actually face another team’s top 3 pitchers. Jackson, Shield, Kazmir. Depending on if you think Jackson is better than Sonnanstine.
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by sprtsnwyn on Jun 8, 2008 7:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
What about Garza?
I thought he was their official #3 – whatever the heck that even means.
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by Nico on Jun 8, 2008 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Garza pissed off his catcher today
Watch the highlights. He shook off the catcher a few times then grooved a meatball that wentr 420 feet over the wall. Then they got in each others faces on the mound and then in the dugout where they had to be separated.
by Trainman on Jun 8, 2008 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice. Very gritty - he should go far.
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by Nico on Jun 8, 2008 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just saw this
That was awesome. I thought Navarro was going to destroy Garza.
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by thejd44 on Jun 8, 2008 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
thank you Dakota
that was just about the only way we could get out of this series feeling somewhat good about it. The difference between 4.5 and 6.5 games seems significant; I hope it is.
by Brian in 317 on Jun 8, 2008 7:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
oh and huge kudos to the bullpen
and especially congrats Ziggy on first MLB win!
by Brian in 317 on Jun 8, 2008 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jemile Weeks
just booted a very routine grounder in the bottom of the ninth. Can’t wait until he signs.
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by sprtsnwyn on Jun 8, 2008 7:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
They're going to have to keep Ziggy with the team
for a while now, don’t you think? He’s pitching pretty damn good in tough situations.
by Tyler Bleszinski on Jun 8, 2008 7:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wait I think I meant pretty damn well
by Tyler Bleszinski on Jun 8, 2008 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're damn right.
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by salb918 on Jun 8, 2008 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd love for Ziggy to stay
but….I’d imagine with Casilla and Devine coming back, its going to be tough. They might send down Calero for one, but I’d think Ziggy would have to be next, unless they send down Gaudin? Or, more likely, he’ll stay because one other pitcher got hurt
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by closetasfan on Jun 9, 2008 6:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's getting more valuable
with every MLB appearance. You’d think that they’d either keep him or trade him rather than warehouse him in the minors. He’s not getting any younger.
by IM4Oakgal on Jun 8, 2008 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
His 0-2 pitch to Garrett Anderson scared me,
but all’s well that end’s well.
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by Nico on Jun 8, 2008 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amen, brother
You’re not the only one! He really got away with one there. The odd delivery must have been enoughtto through Anderson off. If Foulke had thrown that same pitch, it might be landing just about now.
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by Monday Fan on Jun 8, 2008 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps
But I read in the game recap on mlb.com that he had allowed 3 of his first 6 inherited runners to score so he’s not doing amazing. But that’s not to say he hasn’t pitched well for a first-timer, because he has.
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by Helloooo 1st on Jun 8, 2008 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eh, I think the inherited runners stat is bad.
I’d rather follow his WHIP or something.
One of those inherited runners scored on a sac fly. Not his fault that someone was on base. All he did was get outs.
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by JediLeroy on Jun 9, 2008 6:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do both!
WPA says: 0.46 wins added. Pretty good.
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by PaulThomas on Jun 9, 2008 8:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting post over at Lookout Landing...
...about swinging strike rates and ball rates by pitcher. I bring this up because of the name at the top of the swinging strikes list for starters. Graham, who posted it, notes: “For as long as Rich Harden is healthy he might have the filthiest combination of stuff and command in baseball…”
by Loon from Left on Jun 8, 2008 7:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The top of the first was pretty cool -
I had forgotten about it until just now.
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by Nico on Jun 8, 2008 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Filthy
Called strike, foul, foul tip.
Swinging strike, foul, swinging strike.
Called strike, called strike, swinging strike.
Nine strikes, six swings, three misses. Just unbelievable.
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by salb918 on Jun 8, 2008 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mommy liked.
"JOAN! Are you watching Bombast? Did you see Lack Bust drop that fly call?"
by Jennifer on Jun 8, 2008 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Daddy likeyed too also
Much a lot.
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by Nico on Jun 8, 2008 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was watching with my son, and after Harden's first inning dominance,
the little guy said his first words: “Holy crap!”
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by salb918 on Jun 8, 2008 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was sure it would be "VORP!"
Or maybe it was, and you mistook it for a belch.
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by Nico on Jun 8, 2008 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
QOTM contender (double play division)
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by Gaijin_Suketto on Jun 9, 2008 12:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought you would have realized
that what you thought was gurgling for the past month was really just the baby saying “SSS”, “SSS”
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by 5Aces on Jun 9, 2008 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Petit
I think this game—and his remarkable play after entering late as a defensive replacement—was a terrific showcase of what he’s capable of. One play in particular symbolized where he’s at. Someone, I think it was Hunter, hit a ground ball that he initially broke wrong on. He got back, had a bad hop carom off his glove, somehow caught the carom out of midair, grabbed the ball out, double clutched to get a firm grip and then gunned down the runner with a laser throw.
He’s still a work in progress—there were as many things wrong as right with that play—but his reflexes, athleticism and strength were on display for all to see today.
I’d love to see an up-the-middle pairing of Ellis and Petit in a year or two. It could rank among the greatest middle infields in baseball history.
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by PaulThomas on Jun 8, 2008 8:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Assuming Ellis is still near the top of his game,
which I think he will be (defensively) but it’s reasonable to fear he won’t.
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by Nico on Jun 8, 2008 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That play
Was pure luck. He broke wrong (as you said) got back and got a glove on it, bobbled it and just got lucky that it landed back in his grasp. But he is a slick fielder that’s for sure, it’s just that I wouldn’t pick that play to argue my point.
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by Helloooo 1st on Jun 8, 2008 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mean, yes, he got lucky
but most fielders who “get lucky” in that fashion don’t even have a prayer of making a play there.
The point here isn’t “Web Gem, ZOMG”, because it wasn’t one. It’s that it was a great demonstration of the defensive tools that Baseball America is so enamored of. Once those are combined with the experience of playing here for a while…
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by PaulThomas on Jun 8, 2008 11:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I’m not sure about Ellis still being around much longer but Petit is very good with the glove. He looked outstanding at shortstop and second base when he was with Stockton. I think the only question is, will he hit enough to hold a job?
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by Monday Fan on Jun 8, 2008 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm
How much are you willing to sacrifice offensively?
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by lenscrafters on Jun 9, 2008 12:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Considering that that's like a +4 wins middle infield?
A lot.
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by PaulThomas on Jun 9, 2008 12:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It depends
He can’t be an offensive sinkhole and play every day. I’d guess that even if he’s no better at the plate than Marco Scutaro, the job will be his. Who else in the A’s system can displace him? He leapfrogged Cliff Pennington a couple of years ago. I’d be surprised if Pennington becomes anything more than a utility infielder. Josh Horton? It’s too soon to tell. Barring a trade or a total collapse offensively, I think he will be the one to replace Bobby Crosby.
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by Monday Fan on Jun 9, 2008 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Assuming that Crosby will not get any better
This year, Crosby’s shown that he can improve. I don’t think Petit is there yet.
by asfansince1989 on Jun 9, 2008 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course not
He’s played five big league games.
Crosby’s contract is expiring at the end of 2009. Unless you would like to sign Crosby as a free agent, he’s gone. And re-signing Crosby would be a Julio Lugo-level disaster for a team that cannot afford one.
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by PaulThomas on Jun 9, 2008 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
still not sure
why all this talk about Ellis not being able to be at the top of his game defensively…........
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by SwampyD on Jun 9, 2008 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
WIll be interesting
Best case scenario:
Crosby really turns things around and start finding his stroke at the plate, and Petit coming into his own as well, and the A’s has to choose between one of two good SS.
If Crosby somehow becomes a good hitter (for a SS), I’m not sure letting him just walk after 09 would be a foregone conclusion. I would hate to see A’s choose to go with either one by default just because the other guy is sucking.
by asfansince1989 on Jun 9, 2008 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The odds are against Crosby
I’m not trying to be a wiseguy. I’m totally serious here. Have you looked at Bobby Crosby’s career record? He came up to the major leagues at age 24 and played in 151 games. He wasn’t particulary productive but there was reason to think he could do better based on his age and minor league performance (though he was injured in the minors, too). Since then, he has not reached 100 games played in any of his four seasons. He has hasn’t improved any as a player. When his contract expires after the 2009 season, he’ll be reaching the age at which most shortstops start to decline and become more injury prone. He’s already injury prone and he’s not an elite player so he can’t afford to lose any more ground. Is this someone a team with limited revenue and resources should be investing in? Do we think by that time, Billy Beane won’t be able to find a better alternative than re-signing an injury prone player who hasn’t developed any since his rookie season?
Before the flaming commences, I wish to say I like Bobby Crosby. He seems like a fine young man and it’s unfortunate he has been injured and unable to fill Miguel Tejada’s shoes like we thought he might back in 2003. But he’s not someone the A’s can rely on and he’s not going to get any better. (With some very rare exceptions, shortstops don’t get any better than they were at age 28.) He doesn’t hit enough to be moved to another position. From their statistical records and what I’ve seen them do on the field over the past couple of seasons, I think Gregorio Petit has a much better chance than Bobby Crosby of being a productive major league shortstop in 2010—maybe sooner. Petit will also be a lot less expensive and have room to grow. Crosby’s future will be behind him..
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by Monday Fan on Jun 10, 2008 12:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Petit appears to be a stud on defense
And altthough he has had a handful of at bats, he appears to be OK with the bat.
When the time comes to make the decision he rook will be just fine making Crosby expendable IMO
by Trainman on Jun 10, 2008 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Question...
Is there a decent place to buy MiLB merchandise online? I can’t find crap at the official site.
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by Jennifer on Jun 8, 2008 8:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
ooOOoooo
While looking for MiLB stuff, I finally found the slate hoodie I was looking for!
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by Jennifer on Jun 8, 2008 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You'll need it
for AN Day Evening.
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by Englishmajor on Jun 8, 2008 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh that's sharp
Can I have $55? I want that.
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by thejd44 on Jun 8, 2008 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
COngrats to Ziggy
On his first win. Harden was filthy and happy he has been contributing. So happy Chavez is back. What a sweet win, i really dislike those angels
by TheGreenGoldCrush on Jun 8, 2008 8:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think it's worth special mention that
Chavez had the huge 3-run HR against Detroit and a huge game-tying hit – off a lefty – today. He hasn’t just been good, he’s been clutch in the very ways he either wasn’t, or was perceived not to be, before.
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by Nico on Jun 8, 2008 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup,
and it’s so good to see! Maybe the long layoff did him some good … cause Lord knows we need him. Finally!
I needed a team so I wouldn’t turn into one of the eighty million pink hat-wearing Bud Light-drinking mulleted idiots at Fenway.
by Vacafan on Jun 8, 2008 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some guys are only good on two-years' rest
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by Nico on Jun 8, 2008 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Harden seems to be proving that true, also.
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by Gaijin_Suketto on Jun 9, 2008 12:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love Eric Chavez
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by JediLeroy on Jun 8, 2008 8:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ellis... who'da thunk?
One way to look at this weekend’s series: The A’s went 1-2 against their hated rivals and dropped to 4.5 games back of the best team in the AL and the inevitable winners of the AL West..
Another way to look at this weekend’s series: The run differentials of the two teams didn’t change at all and the Angels remain a barely above-.500 team by X-W-L.
Team X-W-L GB
Oakland 37-26 —
Los Angeles 33-31 4.5
I like looking at it the second way. Because by X-W-L the Halos are not only not the best team in the AL. They’re not even the best team in their division. Which is a much nicer way to look at things.
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by FoolshGame22 on Jun 8, 2008 9:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It is - but they don't play the game
on paper or on calculators, so while I trust the Angels will cool off I also think it’s downright foolsh to hope that they are actually a .515 team that just keeps getting “lucky”. They are a good team ripe for a slump.
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by Nico on Jun 8, 2008 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, they are actually a mediocre team ripe for playing like a mediocre team.
The real problem is twofold: 1) the A’s probably aren’t this good either and 2) while the Angels haven’t played like a .600 team, those wins are already in the bank and the A’s are 4.5 games in the hole. So we’ve got our work cut out for us.
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by salb918 on Jun 8, 2008 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I sort of agree
Except I feel like the A’s are due to get better while simultaneously regressing to the mean, which might have some sort of cancel-out effect.
Guys like Buck, Gonzalez, Barton, etc. should improve. Not just on their numbers, but as they see more pitches in the majors, they’re bound to get better (unless one of them is a complete bust, and I don’t buy that). And maybe Smith and Eveland have been a bit lucky, but they’re also learning how to ptich. I think it’s reasonable that while some of the luck may run out, the talent all these young players have will start to shine through.
It’s not unreasonable to think the A’s can win this division.
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by thejd44 on Jun 8, 2008 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They've (or their run differential) been hurt pretty badly by injuries
They got a lot of suck while Lackey was hurt, and Kendrick’s and Figgins’s replacements have been awful, so they should be better going forward than they’ve been so far. Also, they seem to have improved the bullpen with Arredondo instead of O’Day. They’re definitely not a powerhouse, but they’re better than they’ve played
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by mikeA on Jun 8, 2008 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Insane to think
that at this point in the season, not even halfway through, the Angels have been spotted NINE GAMES in the division standings. Nine games! That’s the equivalent (over a full season) of Brandon Wood being replaced by A-Rod for free.
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by PaulThomas on Jun 8, 2008 11:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Harden
mentioned the walk to Anderson in the post-game interview. I think his quote was “I need to figure out what happened etc etc”
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by SwampyD on Jun 8, 2008 9:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I didn't see that AB
but I don’t mind walking him in the slightest. Basic strategy would seem to dictate that you throw balls to guys who swing a lot and never walk, and strikes to guys who walk a lot and don’t swing much.
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by mikeA on Jun 8, 2008 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, but not in front of a guy who hits any damn pitch at all for a HR
Plus, it’s not like Anderson can really hurt you much by swinging any more. I’d have no opinion whatsoever if Harden had given up a single to Anderson and then the Vlad HR. Plus, it would have saved 5-6 pitches.
Why does such a wonderful man like such terrible things? @('.')@
by monkeyball on Jun 9, 2008 12:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus, Anderson was leading off the inning
Drives me crazy when our guy walks the leadoff hitter. It feels like it happens all the damn time, although it only happened twice in 12 innings yesterday (still more often than it ought to happen).
by Faust on Jun 9, 2008 4:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah Anderson has the most walks against Harden all-time...
I think the total was 6…next in line has 2. What’s up with that???
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by SwampyD on Jun 9, 2008 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
mostly, it's just because the A's play the Angels a lot
Partly, it’s because Anderson will, even more than Vlad, swing at anything, so there’s not a lot of motivation to throw him a strike.
All that said, though … yeah, it’s kind of weird that Harden’s walked him so frequently.
Anderson has a career .030 isoOBP—that’s 381 BB in 15 years as a major-leaguer.
Here are the pitchers who have walked Anderson 6 times in his career:
- Kenny Rogers 98 AB
- Barry Zito 64 AB
- Rich Harden 30 AB
Weird.
Why does such a wonderful man like such terrible things? @('.')@
by monkeyball on Jun 9, 2008 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why can't they do it when I'm there?
I go Friday and Saturday and they win today! I’ll take it though.
by fansince1980 on Jun 8, 2008 9:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I was there...
and it was fantastic. I was in the Bay Area for the weekend. Took my wife to her first ever game at the Coliseum. The B team loads the bases, and, Ellis hits a walkoff grand slam!!! Crowd goes crazy. A’s win in dramatic fashion. I have to bring her up for more games. Epic day at the ballfield!
by jdub69 on Jun 8, 2008 11:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ended up being a great game!
I had to leave the TV in disgust after the ninth. I kept coming back….finally to be rewarded with the sight of Ellis going yard for the walk off grand slam. Little bit of overkill….but I’ll take it! Heading up to the bay to take in the Yankee series this week. Can’t wait…but the damn Yankee’s picked a hell of a time to start heating up. Maybe the Rays will put us within a game or two of first place this week.
"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer
by alox on Jun 9, 2008 12:39 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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