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"Ellis looks absolutely lost at the plate right now": A's 7, Angels 3

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EPIC FAIL of the game threads for the day.

In my (and Nico's, and Jennifer's) defense, Ellis had looked pretty bad recently at the plate (while his defense has remained outstanding, of course). But that was certainly a sweet swing Ellis had in the 12th, dropping the bat head and getting all of a Bootcheck meatball for a game-winning grand slam. (Not so incidentally, that makes Ellis an even .500 lifetime against Bootcheck: 6/12 with 2 HRs.)

This was a game of multiple highlights and ups and downs, rather than dominant performances. Harden struck out the side on 9 pitches in the first ... but then got the yips with his control in the 4th, walking 3 (two of whom scored, one on the Vlad HR) and driving his pitchcount up and ensuring his early departure after 6 IP. The offense look solid at times -- Hannahan and Chavez both with excellent at-bats in the first, Gonzalez and Chavez again with solid RBI knocks in the 4th and 7th -- but utterly lost for much of the game (and Geren's ploy to swap in Davis and Brown for Cust and Chavez, especially knowing since as early as the 2nd that Crosby might have to be subbed out, didn't help matters). The A's pen, despite a few too many walks by Embree, Foulke, and Brown, kept their collective shoulder against the door, shutting the Angels out for 8 innings. Brad Ziegler earned the win (insofar as a reliever can) with 1-2/3 innings, including two double plays (one of the more unconventional variety, on a soft liner to Petit).

Harden, despite his struggles in the 4th, could probably have escaped unscathed if not for the sheer physical brilliance of Vlad Guerrero. That homerun was just stupid. No way any human being should be able to hit a changeup that's knee-high a foot in front of the plate and dropping in fair territory, let alone over the fence. Props to Vlad on that one. And props to Casey Kotchman, who put on a clinic in the field at first base today (and recovered nicely from what could have been a debilitating crash into the wall in foul territory).

The one thing I do hold against Harden is the walk of Anderson in front of Vlad before Vlad's HR. As I mentioned in my pregame writeup, Harden's got a bizarre history of letting Garrett "I'd average below one pitch per AB if I could" Anderson get on base and drive his pitch count up, and putting people on in front of Vlad is always dangerous. Odd (meaningless and non-significant) stat of the day: Garrett Anderson is currently the all-time career walks leader against Harden. Yeah, OK, with ... 6. Including today's. For a lead over the crowd at #2 of ... 2. But still: this is GARRET ANDERSON we're talking about here. Strikes, Rich.

On the whole, though, an entirely satisfying win against the Slegna.

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Just goes to show...

...someone can look like total crap but all it takes is one swing to win a game.

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by Flashfire on Jun 8, 2008 5:55 PM PDT   0 recs

It's funny - today I didn't like a lot of the moves

Geren made, yet in almost every case he was vindicated (perhaps fortunately, but he was).

I didn’t like pinch running Raj Davis in the 7th, yet he stole second and scored, where Cust might well have been stranded at third. And that run was huge, obviously. I’m assuming Chavy needed to come out anyway, or else pinch running Emil was really dumb – but Chavy may just have been spent by the 7th and needed to come out.

I didn’t like Foulke in the 8th, wanted Street in for two innings, but clearly Street was not at 100%, never hitting 90 MPH on the gun and getting the dreaded visit from the trainer. And Foulke got it done, if barely.

And so on.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jun 8, 2008 5:56 PM PDT   0 recs

I only had a real problem with a couple moves

I didn’t like pinch running for Chavez, though, as you say, he might have been spent. I’m leaving open the possibility that removing him from the game wasn’t merely a matter of Geren thinking Brown is a faster/better baserunner. If that was the case, horrible move and Geren gets 20 lashes or something.

I didn’t like Embree in the 7th. I know Embree is one of those rubber arm guys who can seemingly pitch everyday, but that doesn’t mean he should be doing that, especially when he’s the only LHP in the bullpen. (I also know that there are plenty of relievers in baseball who have pitched in more games than Embree, but, again, doesn’ t mean it’s a good idea). I thought Brown was a perfect fit for the 7th down a run, and I probably would’ve sent him back out there for the 8th unless the score changed drastically (as in the A’s scoring 6 runs or something).

I don’t have a problem with Foulke in the 8th just because I have more confidence in him than everybody else. I also don’t like using Street for more than an inning unless absolutely necessary.

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by thejd44 on Jun 8, 2008 6:04 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

agree on the Raj move turning out well

It’s always a tossup late in a close game—the run that Davis can score but Cust can’t may be huge, but so may be the out that Cust Doesn’t make later that Davis does.

It was more the confluence of all three moves that I didn’t like—unless Chavez was actually hurt, if I’m Geren, I keep Chavvy in the game (he was only DH’ing, after all).

And I agree with thejd44 below—if the Brown-for-Chavez move was a pure strategic move to get a marginally faster player in at second, horrible move and 20 lashes for Geren.

Why does such a wonderful man like such terrible things? @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jun 8, 2008 6:10 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I was worried when it was the ...

7th inning. I thought that was a little soon to take Cust out for the game .

by IM4Oakgal on Jun 8, 2008 6:13 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It was almost guaranteed that Cust's spot

would come up in the 9th and if it had stayed 3-2 that would have been a real problem. At least Davis was in to steal, which made use of his speed and helped make it not 3-2!

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jun 8, 2008 6:24 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

apparently Street's groin has been bothering him

Geren said that’s why he and the trainer ran to the mound, but Street waved them off.

Let’s just hope Crosby’s staying in for most of the game even though his ankle was sprained doesn’t come back to bite the A’s.

I had a good feeling about Ellis in that last at bat. Bases loaded, Bootcheck couldn’t walk him.

by OaklandSi on Jun 8, 2008 6:44 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

What did Street say,

“No no, it’s not that, I just suck – fine I’ll stop sucking.”

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jun 8, 2008 8:08 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I thought Crosby came out of the game right after he hurt himself?

Also, there are probably a number of female (and male, who knows?) posters here who would volunteer to help Huston with his groin troubles.

http://bocropleasestopswingingatbadpitches.blogspot.com/

by thejd44 on Jun 8, 2008 9:47 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Crosby hurt his ankle in the second inning

according to several articles and the A’s postgame show.

by OaklandSi on Jun 9, 2008 5:54 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

woo hoo

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Jun 8, 2008 5:59 PM PDT   0 recs

Bad for my blood pressure.

Now I can get back to work. As we all know, my real job is to tell Suzuki to be bad at the plate. I might be up for a raise…but I would love to get fired for poor job performance.

"My boyfriend drinks ALOT, you know, because he's a rebel."-Reyna

by tresselfan on Jun 8, 2008 6:03 PM PDT   0 recs

Watched from home today.

I had a sinking feeling we were going to lose with Cust and Chavvy being replaced…but it all worked out for the best. I was so pleased for Ellis. ..of course I was pleased for Ziggy too.
The hitting thing…just continues to plague the A’s. But kudos to the pitching staff. They are awesome.
I watched Baseball Tonight before the game…they talked about the Angels being the best team in baseball. I think today’s game proved that they have some real flaws too.

by IM4Oakgal on Jun 8, 2008 6:03 PM PDT   0 recs

The Angels being the best team in baseball?

I know BBTN smokes the good stuff, but wow.

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by Flashfire on Jun 8, 2008 6:05 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Oops

I meant the best team in the AL…they argued about whether the best team in baseball was the Cubs or the Halos. One guy thought it was still the RS. But the suggestion of the Angels irritated me.

by IM4Oakgal on Jun 8, 2008 6:08 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think you can make a strong case

for LAA being the top team in the AL, though I think ultimately Boston is.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jun 8, 2008 6:25 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

If your case for being the best team in the AL includes the following:
  • Rank 10th in runs scored per game
  • Rank 5th in runs allowed per game
  • Have a team OPS of .702
  • Allow your opponents to OPS .723

    ...then you are not anywhere close to being the best team in the AL.

    • stat-addled alien overlord

    by salb918 on Jun 8, 2008 7:11 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

    Yes, but they lead the league in grit

    http://bocropleasestopswingingatbadpitches.blogspot.com/

    by thejd44 on Jun 8, 2008 9:48 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

    And Mike Soscia

    "Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin

    by Helloooo 1st on Jun 8, 2008 9:57 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

    Hitting

    The offense wasn’t terrible today until the two best hitters (3 best, I guess, if you count Crosby). Of course, Petit and Davis both played significant roles in scoring a run in the last inning.

    http://bocropleasestopswingingatbadpitches.blogspot.com/

    by thejd44 on Jun 8, 2008 6:05 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

    It's funny

    My wife’s brother was having a little birthday gathering and I had to leave after the top of the 11th. I told my wife on the way out the door that the team will likely lose now because they don’t have either Chavez or Cust in the lineup and I couldn’t stand to watch a sweep in Oakland any way.

    I’m SOOOOO glad I was wrong.

    by Blez on Jun 8, 2008 7:53 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

    The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

    by The Dogfather on Jun 8, 2008 6:03 PM PDT   0 recs

    1 down, 510 to go!

    Come on, Ziggy, you can do it!

    http://bocropleasestopswingingatbadpitches.blogspot.com/

    by thejd44 on Jun 8, 2008 6:06 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

    Bootcheck

    After today’s game and the hurt the A’s put on him during that blowout, I’m actually starting to feel sorry for Chris Bootcheck.

    by rageon on Jun 8, 2008 7:13 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

    Bootcheck

    Everytime I see him I’m reminded of one of Billy Beane’s biggest blunders (IMO). The Angels drafted Chris Bootcheck with the 1st round pick the A’s coughed up for the signing of Mike Magnante. I have yet to see an explanation for that decision. To give up a first round pick for bullpen filler is borderline insane. That’s the sort of thing we expect of Brian Sabean, not Billy Beane. Does anyone know what happened there?

    Root for the Giants? Not even if they're playing al-Qaeda!

    by Monday Fan on Jun 8, 2008 11:22 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

    Well, the Angels used the first-round pick

    for bullpen filler…

    Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

    by PaulThomas on Jun 8, 2008 11:46 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

    haha

    Mags and Bootstraps are and were foam peanuts.

    "You have to have a catcher or you'll have all passed balls."- Casey Stengel

    by Gaijin_Suketto on Jun 9, 2008 12:15 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

    True

    But what would Billy have done with the pick? IIRC, he took Freddie Bynum in the second round which was the A’s first pick in the draft. I’d like to think he’d have picked someone better than Boothcheck or Bynum.

    Root for the Giants? Not even if they're playing al-Qaeda!

    by Monday Fan on Jun 9, 2008 8:32 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

    What was the deal

    with Crosby? I was at the game so had no commentary and wondered why he came out, and I noticed above the reference to knowing he may come out after the 2nd. What was wrong? But in any case, how about some love for Petit! A couple nice plays in the field and a big hit – the new super sub?

    BTW, it was nice to see so many fans hanging until the end.

    by sslinger on Jun 8, 2008 6:25 PM PDT   0 recs

    "Slight sprained ankle"

    sustained, I believe, leaving the batter’s box in his final AB. Tsk, tsk – if he had just struck out, this wouldn’t have happened.

    I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

    by Nico on Jun 8, 2008 6:26 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

    Game Over, A's Win

    Halos exposed by the Unicorn Magic

    "Not in your wildest alcoholic nightmare would you ever imagines such events unfolding!" Bill King

    by Buck Turgidson on Jun 8, 2008 6:37 PM PDT   0 recs

    "...right now."

    "JOAN! Are you watching Bombast? Did you see Lack Bust drop that fly call?"

    by Jennifer on Jun 8, 2008 6:41 PM PDT   0 recs

    GASP

    Just watched the postgame
    Looks like Harden has done summa THIS!
    Photobucket
    He is now Marmot-Free.
    Wonder why?

    by schmifty on Jun 8, 2008 6:46 PM PDT   0 recs

    NOOOOOO!!

    I kind of liked it. :(

    "JOAN! Are you watching Bombast? Did you see Lack Bust drop that fly call?"

    by Jennifer on Jun 8, 2008 6:59 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

    I'm happy!

    Don't blame me, I voted for Ice Cream

    by Englishmajor on Jun 8, 2008 8:08 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

    please remember to turn the water off

    when you are not using it. This is California, not BC.

    And thanks for losing the marmot.

    by Brian in 317 on Jun 9, 2008 6:16 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

    Additional thought -

    The fact that the A’s rallied against K-Rod, even ultimately unsuccessfully, contributed to K-Rod being unavailable today, which meant Arredondo was the closer, which is why it was Bootcheck and not Arredondo…

    I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

    by Nico on Jun 8, 2008 6:51 PM PDT   0 recs

    Still wondering if Scoscia was trying to rest Arredondo as well

    He did pitch in the prior two games, right?

    If he was simply keeping Arredondo as the “closer,” well… I’ll charitably refer to that as indescribably stupid.

    Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

    by PaulThomas on Jun 8, 2008 8:15 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

    Arredondo was the closer

    He was up briefly when it looked like the Angels might take the lead.

    I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

    by Nico on Jun 8, 2008 8:24 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

    I think

    K-Rod pitching in like 30 straight games had something to do with it also

    "The two of them deserve each other. One's a born liar, the other's convicted."

    by SwampyD on Jun 8, 2008 9:49 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

    I think I saw him warming in two separate innings, actually

    Could be mistaken on that, but it seems silly to warm the guy up twice and not use him.

    http://bocropleasestopswingingatbadpitches.blogspot.com/

    by thejd44 on Jun 8, 2008 9:49 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

    so

    are we going to see Hanna Montana play short on Tuesday? or prep to play 2nd after Ellis leaves via free agency?

    Let's have our Piazza and eat the Cust too - SPWC

    by closetasfan on Jun 8, 2008 6:55 PM PDT   0 recs

    For probably the first time all season

    The Angels will actually face another team’s top 3 pitchers. Jackson, Shield, Kazmir. Depending on if you think Jackson is better than Sonnanstine.

    Might as well Jump! - Van Halen

    by sprtsnwyn on Jun 8, 2008 7:01 PM PDT   0 recs

    What about Garza?

    I thought he was their official #3 – whatever the heck that even means.

    I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

    by Nico on Jun 8, 2008 8:25 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

    Garza pissed off his catcher today

    Watch the highlights. He shook off the catcher a few times then grooved a meatball that wentr 420 feet over the wall. Then they got in each others faces on the mound and then in the dugout where they had to be separated.

    by Trainman on Jun 8, 2008 8:34 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

    Nice. Very gritty - he should go far.

    I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

    by Nico on Jun 8, 2008 8:35 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

    Just saw this

    That was awesome. I thought Navarro was going to destroy Garza.

    http://bocropleasestopswingingatbadpitches.blogspot.com/

    by thejd44 on Jun 8, 2008 10:06 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

    thank you Dakota

    that was just about the only way we could get out of this series feeling somewhat good about it. The difference between 4.5 and 6.5 games seems significant; I hope it is.

    by Brian in 317 on Jun 8, 2008 7:17 PM PDT   0 recs

    oh and huge kudos to the bullpen

    and especially congrats Ziggy on first MLB win!

    by Brian in 317 on Jun 8, 2008 7:18 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

    Jemile Weeks

    just booted a very routine grounder in the bottom of the ninth. Can’t wait until he signs.

    Might as well Jump! - Van Halen

    by sprtsnwyn on Jun 8, 2008 7:29 PM PDT   0 recs

    They're going to have to keep Ziggy with the team

    for a while now, don’t you think? He’s pitching pretty damn good in tough situations.

    by Blez on Jun 8, 2008 7:55 PM PDT   0 recs

    You're damn right.

    stat-addled alien overlord

    by salb918 on Jun 8, 2008 7:59 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

    I'd love for Ziggy to stay

    but….I’d imagine with Casilla and Devine coming back, its going to be tough. They might send down Calero for one, but I’d think Ziggy would have to be next, unless they send down Gaudin? Or, more likely, he’ll stay because one other pitcher got hurt

    Let's have our Piazza and eat the Cust too - SPWC

    by closetasfan on Jun 9, 2008 6:00 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

    He's getting more valuable

    with every MLB appearance. You’d think that they’d either keep him or trade him rather than warehouse him in the minors. He’s not getting any younger.

    by IM4Oakgal on Jun 8, 2008 8:05 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

    His 0-2 pitch to Garrett Anderson scared me,

    but all’s well that end’s well.

    I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

    by Nico on Jun 8, 2008 8:11 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

    Amen, brother

    You’re not the only one! He really got away with one there. The odd delivery must have been enoughtto through Anderson off. If Foulke had thrown that same pitch, it might be landing just about now.

    Root for the Giants? Not even if they're playing al-Qaeda!

    by Monday Fan on Jun 8, 2008 11:26 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

    Perhaps

    But I read in the game recap on mlb.com that he had allowed 3 of his first 6 inherited runners to score so he’s not doing amazing. But that’s not to say he hasn’t pitched well for a first-timer, because he has.

    "Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin

    by Helloooo 1st on Jun 8, 2008 10:10 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

    Eh, I think the inherited runners stat is bad.

    I’d rather follow his WHIP or something.

    One of those inherited runners scored on a sac fly. Not his fault that someone was on base. All he did was get outs.

    I generally bemoan the profusion of Mr Sabermetric Sporks in the Scrabble ranks who don't know the meaning or usage of 50% of the words they use. -monkeyball

    by JediLeroy on Jun 9, 2008 6:29 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

    Do both!

    WPA says: 0.46 wins added. Pretty good.

    Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

    by PaulThomas on Jun 9, 2008 8:03 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

    Interesting post over at Lookout Landing...

    ...about swinging strike rates and ball rates by pitcher. I bring this up because of the name at the top of the swinging strikes list for starters. Graham, who posted it, notes: “For as long as Rich Harden is healthy he might have the filthiest combination of stuff and command in baseball…”

    by Loon from Left on Jun 8, 2008 7:55 PM PDT   0 recs

    The top of the first was pretty cool -

    I had forgotten about it until just now.

    I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

    by Nico on Jun 8, 2008 7:57 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

    Filthy

    Called strike, foul, foul tip.

    Swinging strike, foul, swinging strike.

    Called strike, called strike, swinging strike.

    Nine strikes, six swings, three misses. Just unbelievable.

    stat-addled alien overlord

    by salb918 on Jun 8, 2008 8:03 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

    Mommy liked.

    "JOAN! Are you watching Bombast? Did you see Lack Bust drop that fly call?"

    by Jennifer on Jun 8, 2008 8:16 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

    Daddy likeyed too also

    Much a lot.

    I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

    by Nico on Jun 8, 2008 8:27 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

    I was watching with my son, and after Harden's first inning dominance,

    the little guy said his first words: “Holy crap!”

    stat-addled alien overlord

    by salb918 on Jun 8, 2008 8:30 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

    Cool

    “Mama” is so conventional

    by Faust on Jun 8, 2008 8:33 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

    I was sure it would be "VORP!"

    Or maybe it was, and you mistook it for a belch.

    I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

    by Nico on Jun 8, 2008 8:36 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

    lols

    "The two of them deserve each other. One's a born liar, the other's convicted."

    by SwampyD on Jun 8, 2008 9:52 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

    QOTM contender (double play division)

    "You have to have a catcher or you'll have all passed balls."- Casey Stengel

    by Gaijin_Suketto on Jun 9, 2008 12:18 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

    I thought you would have realized

    that what you thought was gurgling for the past month was really just the baby saying “SSS”, “SSS”

    "Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it?"-Steve McCatty

    by 5Aces on Jun 9, 2008 9:00 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

    Petit

    I think this game—and his remarkable play after entering late as a defensive replacement—was a terrific showcase of what he’s capable of. One play in particular symbolized where he’s at. Someone, I think it was Hunter, hit a ground ball that he initially broke wrong on. He got back, had a bad hop carom off his glove, somehow caught the carom out of midair, grabbed the ball out, double clutched to get a firm grip and then gunned down the runner with a laser throw.

    He’s still a work in progress—there were as many things wrong as right with that play—but his reflexes, athleticism and strength were on display for all to see today.

    I’d love to see an up-the-middle pairing of Ellis and Petit in a year or two. It could rank among the greatest middle infields in baseball history.

    Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

    by PaulThomas on Jun 8, 2008 8:23 PM PDT   0 recs

    Assuming Ellis is still near the top of his game,

    which I think he will be (defensively) but it’s reasonable to fear he won’t.

    I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

    by Nico on Jun 8, 2008 8:36 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

    why

    are we fearing Ellis won’t be at the top of his game defensively?

    "The two of them deserve each other. One's a born liar, the other's convicted."

    by SwampyD on Jun 8, 2008 9:53 PM PDT