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And with the 12th overall pick, the A's select...

Jemile Weeks, 2B, University of Miami.

Shrug. We were one pick away from having Smoak drop to us, and instead, Beane goes ahead and picks a guy no one expected him to 24 hours ago.

The Good: Weeks is a switch-hitting two-bagger who sprays line drives to all fields and has pretty good speed. He's got big-league bloodlines as his older brother is Milwaukee Brewers star Ricke Weeks. He's athletic enough to possibly be moved to center field, where his offensive approach and speed would play better. He's got pretty good, but not outstanding, plate discipline as he's walked either as much or slightly more often than he has struck out each season at Miami.

The Bad: He's definitely the lesser of the family talent-wise. He's not a particularly adept defender at 2nd and will never have plus power.

Personally, I'm not really thrilled with this pick. Sure, the organization is lacking in impact middle-infield talent, but Weeks is not projected to be the next Pedroia or Tulowitski.  The Cards just took Brett Wallace, a Bay Area native and superior offensive player to Weeks right after the A's pick, who I thought would have been a better pick.

We have to wait until the 2nd round for the next pick as the A's do not have any compensatory sandwich picks this year. It's gonna be a long wait.

UPDATE UPDATE UPDATE UPDATE UPDATE

With their 2nd round selection, 58th overall, the A's take:

RHP Tyson Ross , out of Cal!

I am very pleased that Ross fell into the 2nd round and that Billy made the decision to nab him. Tyson is an Oakland-native who has led the Cal Bear pitching staff the last few years. He's a tall (6'6) righty starter with good stuff. He had an awesome sophomore season but after dealing with some health issues at the beginning of this year, he's been kin of inconsistent. He's got awesome make up (as he was one of the leaders of the Team USA squad last summer).

I'm truly excited about this pick. Mechanically, some scouts have been put off by Ross's abrupt mechanics. However, others note that he is fairly new to pitching, is a tremendous athlete and has all the arm and lower body strength needed to become a top-of-the-rotation starter in the big leagues.

Plus, he was born and raised in Oakland. Can't get anymore local than that! Yippee!

...and in the 3rd round the A's took:

Catcher Petey Paramore out of ASU.

Solid pick there. Paramore was probably one of the to-5 catchers in the class. He's apparently a defensive stalwart, but he can switch hit and is another contact-oriented hitter that doesn't strike out much. He's also reportedly pretty good with runners in scoring position! Score!

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Hope BB, Forst and Co. are Right

And you are not. Now what are the odds of that?

by madmongoose on Jun 5, 2008 12:28 PM PDT reply actions  

hilarious

wow, a fan gave his opinion, and you’re response is “well, the team is smarter than you”. You do realize that we all know that we’re not GM’s, and that this site wouldn’t exist without people giving their opinions? You should really stop instigating people.

by ohmangoAs on Jun 5, 2008 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think this one's a little benign...

I read it as if he were just saying he hopes the front office made a good choice, and threw a little joke on the end of it. I’m not saying you’re trying to cause trouble, here, I’m just saying let’s give the guy the benefit of the doubt so we don’t have another 78-comment pissing contest.

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by Joey C. on Jun 5, 2008 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

thank you

exactly right. very benign—I understand that taj and others understand the draft and prospects a lot better than many of us who don’t have the time to be up on it. I was simply joshing that I hoped the A’s were smarter than he was giving them credit for. But absolutely benign.

by madmongoose on Jun 5, 2008 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm disgusted

I think Weeks was somewhere around the 20-25th best player in this draft, and we drafted him at #12. I’m not quite sure how he is really better than Josh Horton, who was drafted much later last year.

Beane & Co. know far more about baseball than I, but for now I can be nothing but disappointed with this pick.

by BlameChannel53 on Jun 5, 2008 12:39 PM PDT reply actions  

Maybe the team philosophy is changing?

Speed is perhaps becoming undervalued and BB is trying to exploit this? We are stealing a lot more then we ever have, more aggressive on the bases. Weeks looks like a Carlos Gonzales type player, no? I have faith and want to believe the A’s braintrust knows what theyr’e doing. I just hope we KICK SOME ANGELS BUTT this weekend!

by A'sfansince1970 on Jun 5, 2008 12:40 PM PDT reply actions  

Well

We’re going to kick the Angels butt in the draft!!!! They don’t pick until 70-something!!! We Win!!!

by Colorado Fan on Jun 5, 2008 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

billy beane is the GM for a reason

have some faith in Billy beane and CO. look what he has done with the team we have now. maybe beane is trying to bring back the old days when rickey henderson would swap a bag everytime he gets on. as u can see the A’s have been running quite alot lately and it has done more good than bad.

by Wreckonized on Jun 5, 2008 12:42 PM PDT reply actions  

Well, you know who we have to trust.

Many, many on AN in last year’s draft bagged on the organization for picking Simmons and Doolittle. Well so far, the organization looks good for that despite AN.

by TheRaiderWay on Jun 5, 2008 12:43 PM PDT reply actions  

That's a good point

Both of them are looking like really nice picks right now.

by Tyler Bleszinski on Jun 5, 2008 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

very true

i believe many of these same naysayers (not calling anyone out by name), were pissed off with the a’s last year for picking guys like simmons and doolittle.

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Jun 5, 2008 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Baseball America...

had the A’s projected to pick Weeks. So did Keith Law, but I can’t find his mock draft anywhere on ESPN now.

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by FoolshGame22 on Jun 5, 2008 12:44 PM PDT reply actions  

Just to think

If we had lost to the Rangers one more time last year, we’d have Justin Smoak right now.

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by walk off bunt on Jun 5, 2008 12:44 PM PDT reply actions  

Maybe the team realized that

and that’s why they’re playing so poorly against the Rangers this year.

by Tyler Bleszinski on Jun 5, 2008 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just to think

If he’d decided to play pro-ball instead of college ball 4 years ago, we would have Justin Smoak right now

by GusanoQuemador on Jun 5, 2008 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

If he had made that decision some time after the draft, you mean.

If he had decided before the draft, and anyone had a hint of it, he would have been claimed much higher four years ago.

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by iglew on Jun 5, 2008 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

The younger Weeks is apparently more adept at 2B than the elder

So there’s a decent chance, it seems, that he might stick. My problem is that he sounds like Bobby Crosby: The Early Years—trying way too hard to pull the ball over the fence, not content to use all fields. Which it would seem a guy without plus power would want to do.

Beane certainly knows better than I, so call it good.

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by Joey C. on Jun 5, 2008 12:44 PM PDT reply actions  

I really, really dislike the negativity towards the A's

and the monday morning quarterback directed at everyone from Emil Brown to Billy Beane himself… Really hate it.

That said, seems like Wallace would have been a better pick. Thats why I get paid the big bucks to run this team, though.

by As Fan in the Bronx on Jun 5, 2008 1:02 PM PDT reply actions  

Emil Brown and Billy Beane lol

One of these things is not like the other (Hint: Beane is good at things).

by iamawesomer on Jun 5, 2008 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not being negative.

Saying that you’d rather have the team select someone with a bigger power potential is not being negative, just pragmatic, in my mind. I’m sure the front office had good reasons to take Weeks and he might turn out to be a good player. But from a straight-up impact standpoint, I don’t think he was the best value pick in the slot. I like Weeks’ speed and contact-oriented approach and I’m hoping I’m dead wrong about being skeptical.

by Taj Adib on Jun 5, 2008 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why does such a wonderful man like such terrible things? @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jun 5, 2008 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cake baby?

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by PaulThomas on Jun 5, 2008 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Have your cake, and eat it too.

Another good point. Nevertheless, I like Wallace.

by As Fan in the Bronx on Jun 5, 2008 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Can't have your cake

and eat it too?

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by sprtsnwyn on Jun 5, 2008 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

This may be a cheap pick for the A's

like Jeremy Brown…they won’t have to pay Weeks top 12 $...siign hin for second rd. money. Essentially, A’s being cheap again

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by athleticsBB4life on Jun 5, 2008 1:08 PM PDT reply actions  

And your evidence for this is...

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by PaulThomas on Jun 5, 2008 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

The A's have really only gone under slot in one year

That was the Moneyball darft, where they had a ton of picks. I don’t think this was a money pick, it was a need pick.

by BlameChannel53 on Jun 5, 2008 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Everyone in the front office

Has said that they don’t draft based on needs, they just go after the best player. I don’t see any reason for them to lie to us about this philosophy.

by GusanoQuemador on Jun 5, 2008 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know what the A's said

I also know that not one propsect maven has Weeks listed as the 12th best player in the draft. The A’s may truly have valued Weeks as the BPA when they drafted, and if that is the case we will see whether their scouting was correct. The A’s would never admit they draft for need, because no team ever does; it does not mean that teams don’t draft for need.

by BlameChannel53 on Jun 5, 2008 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Namely...?

Have the A’s gone under slot for any pick since Wolff acquired the team?

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by PaulThomas on Jun 5, 2008 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Can someone post an actual link to signing bonuses?

Can’t remember where the info is located…

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by PaulThomas on Jun 5, 2008 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

i said may.....just something A's have done in the past

Jeremy Brown was not a first rd type pick, but took him because they liked his ability and new he would sign on the cheap end

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by athleticsBB4life on Jun 5, 2008 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

And do you really see the A's paying eight figures for a draft pick?

There’s cheap and there’s being responsible with your money. Too soon to say one way or the other here.

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by Flashfire on Jun 5, 2008 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

i understand A's economics...everyone is surprised they took Weeks, but it makes

sense to take him because he would be cheaper than Wallace or Friedrich

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by athleticsBB4life on Jun 5, 2008 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why does it make sense to take him because he'd be cheaper

Instead of paying more money to get a guy who is better?

by mikev on Jun 5, 2008 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

because the A's are cheap!!!!!!!!

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by athleticsBB4life on Jun 5, 2008 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jeremy Brown, Stephen Obenchain..

were they not under slot 1st rd. picks?

"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane

by athleticsBB4life on Jun 5, 2008 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

... in 2002...

when the team had 7 first round picks… and moronic ownership…

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by PaulThomas on Jun 5, 2008 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Que Pasa Amigo?

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by athleticsBB4life on Jun 5, 2008 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

its not my money

"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane

by athleticsBB4life on Jun 5, 2008 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

And that's a non-answer

Stand behind your opinion. If the A’s are cheap for going about it the way they are, it sounds like you’d rather see them fork over a bunch of money instead.

They don’t do that even at the Major League level except in rare instances. Why would you expect them to do it with a draft pick when they don’t have the money for it?

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by Flashfire on Jun 5, 2008 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

i understand...I've followed them long enough to understand how they spend their money

it doesn’t mean I have to like it.

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by athleticsBB4life on Jun 5, 2008 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Because nobody else is (besides the Yankees and Tigers)

and it seems like they’ve been spending a lot more money on foreign scouting and signing, so it could be estimated that they are putting more money into building from within.

If that means spending $10M on a draft pick instead of spending $30M on a free agent, that’s a big chunk of money saved, isn’t it?

by mikev on Jun 5, 2008 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

That kind of goes back to what I read about...

...in Away Games, talking about Tejada and others when the A’s had more of a presence in the Dominican and surrounding areas. The philosophy was “why spend X amount of dollars on one or two players when you can spend the same amount on ten or fifteen and have a better chance of some of them panning out?”

But even then, they were talking more about spreading around $1 million or so, not $10 or more.

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by Flashfire on Jun 5, 2008 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

The cost of amateur players of any sort, even first-round picks

is so low that it can, for all practical purposes, be assumed to be zero.

Given that, it never makes any sense to pick someone other than the best player for your organization.

For whatever reason, however, 20-odd major league organizations appear not to have realized this.

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by PaulThomas on Jun 5, 2008 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

This logic works for dating, too.

Girl 1: “I went on a date with ABB4L. He’s so cheap!”

Girl 2: “Why? Because he didn’t want to spend $200 on dinner?”

Girl 1: “Hey, it’s not my money!”

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by iglew on Jun 5, 2008 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

So should the girl spread it around

and simultaneously date 10 guys who each spend $20.00? (Guess what she’s probably spreading around?)

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by Nico on Jun 5, 2008 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

as disappointed as i am

making a statement like this with nothing to back it up is just stupid.

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by xbhaskarx on Jun 5, 2008 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Talk about taking the wind out of my sails

I’m sure Beane knows a whole lot more than any of us do but it just seems like a reach picking Weeks here. He doesn’t seem like he could ever be an impact type of player that will ever hit more than 12-15 hrs in a season if that. Hes an average defender at best at 2B. If Beane sees the next Jimmy Rollins here I have no problem with this pick but I can say I’m really disapointed now.

by AthleticsReign on Jun 5, 2008 1:08 PM PDT reply actions  

Could it be that Beane is suddenly loving speed?

And realizing the value of having it on your roster. Remember this team picked up Rajai Davis and they’re essentially using him as nothing more than a pinch runner right now.

And the A’s also seem to feel like it’s been a long time since they’ve had a true leadoff hitter. Maybe they just feel that Weeks would fit that slot nicely and be able to steal a bag or two when they need one.

by Tyler Bleszinski on Jun 5, 2008 1:14 PM PDT reply actions  

bodes back

to the time Herb Washington was on the roster.

by sarchasmic on Jun 5, 2008 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's going to wait a hell of a long time for a lead off hitter....

What’s best case for this Weeks on the A’s? 3 Years? And that’s….

Hey. Could this be a message to Ellis’ agent?

by As Fan in the Bronx on Jun 5, 2008 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think it's speed per se...

but more like pure athleticism. The pick is not nearly as risky if you consider that Weeks’ speed and instincts could help him transition to center field, which, as we’ve seen, is a lot more of a difficult position to fill internally than 2nd base.

by Taj Adib on Jun 5, 2008 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

okay, sure, speed is nice

rajai davis cost the team… a roster spot.
jamile weeks is the #12 overall pick! the highest a’s pick since zito in 1999! four spots before where they took swisher!
when are the a’s next going to be bad enough to pick #12?

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by xbhaskarx on Jun 5, 2008 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well maybe he'll be a bona fide lead-off guy that we

don’t currently have.

I’m okay with the pick as long as Jemile pans out. Smoak is really just another 1B where we are stacked and speed is something we lack

witty remark

by dtownmbrown on Jun 5, 2008 1:15 PM PDT reply actions  

I agree...

The path for him to be the future 2nd baseman and hitting at the top of the lineup is clearly there.

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by Duby on Jun 5, 2008 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah what good is a guy with potential 30-40 hr power if you already have other 1Bs...

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by xbhaskarx on Jun 5, 2008 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

We couldn't get Smoak anyways

It wasn’t Weeks over Smoak. It was Weeks over Wallace.

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by rfloh on Jun 6, 2008 1:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Bud Selig appears..

To be drunk.

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by Duby on Jun 5, 2008 1:17 PM PDT reply actions  

From Keith Law

This is the riskiest pick so far. He can’t play anywhere but second base in the infield, so he has to hit well enough to be a major league regular. He’s a plus runner; he needs to be more contact-oriented with wood. With metal, he’s too pull-oriented, and he’ll have to adjust that. He has a better chance to be a plus defender at second base than his brother, Rickie Weeks.

When will then be now? Soon.

by Syphon on Jun 5, 2008 1:20 PM PDT reply actions  

This really sucks. We drafted a guy who most everyone thought would go in the late 1st round, maybe supplimental round

instead, we draft him 12th.

We better be giving him low pick money, because its a waste to draft someone who should be that low and pay him a ton.

And for those who say In Beane We Trust, remember that Beane hasn’t exactly enthralled us with his first round picks in recent years.

2007: James Simmons
2006: None (Esteban Loaiza)
2005: Cliff Pennington
2004: Landon Powell, Danny Putnam
2003: Brad Sullivan, Brian Snyder

Of those picks, only Simmons is a top prospect. Powell is ailing in AAA and could be a backup if he gets healthy and hits. Putnam’s peak is 5th Outfielder, and he was already DFA’d once. Pennington’s busted. Sullivan and Snyder have busted as well.

by Zonis on Jun 5, 2008 1:36 PM PDT reply actions  

you forgot Buck, which turned out ok

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by athleticsBB4life on Jun 5, 2008 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

He wasn't a first round pick.

"We were s--, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on Jun 5, 2008 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

he was a supplemental 1st rd....same difference

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by athleticsBB4life on Jun 5, 2008 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right

Except it allows you to ignore Buck, Huston Street, Corey Brown and Sean Doolittle.

I’m sure that wasn’t intentional.

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by PaulThomas on Jun 5, 2008 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

He also gets to leave off the A's top pick in 2006

A certain Trevor Cahill. Second rounder, the A’s top pick in the absence of a #1, and not working out too badly at the moment.

He’s “reverse cherry picking” here.

by Faust on Jun 5, 2008 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Disappointing, considering this is the highest slot we’ve had in a while. I would’ve been happy with Wallace or Hicks.

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by lenscrafters on Jun 5, 2008 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Beane must have really liked Week's potential and we don't have a late 1st round or supplemental pick this year.

So, if Week’s is the guy he liked.. he had to take him at # 12.

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by Eastbayjim on Jun 5, 2008 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

There's no apostrophe in Weeks...

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by PaulThomas on Jun 5, 2008 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

So he has one of those last names

that doesn’t have a random apostrophe?

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by Nico on Jun 5, 2008 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thought that was usually first names

Like D’Brickashaw. Or K’lee.

Anyone who puts an apostrophe in their child’s name should be tossed into the ocean with weights tied to their feet. In my opinion.

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by PaulThomas on Jun 5, 2008 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

PT

some of your opinions are way more valuable than others. Just my opinion. :-)

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by 149 on Jun 5, 2008 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

D'Backs take Schlereth...who the A's selected last year, but couldn't sign

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by athleticsBB4life on Jun 5, 2008 1:37 PM PDT reply actions  

hey if we had given smoak and schlareth the money they wanted

it would be like having three first round picks this year…

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by xbhaskarx on Jun 5, 2008 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just heard an interview w/ Schlereth

He said he was only going to sign if he was picked in the 1st or 2nd Round (last year). As soon as he wasn’t, he knew he was heading back to Arizona. I wish the A’s would have called him to get an idea of where his head was at before picking him in the 8th Round.

by Colorado Fan on Jun 5, 2008 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

The odds seem against him playing second base

I won’t pretend to know anything about this guy but one thing that discourages me is that he’s already worked his way down to playing second base at the amateur level. This leads me to believe he’s not much with the glove and that his chance of sticking at second base isn’t very good. Most major league second basemen were shortsops until they reached the majors or high minors. For now, I will trust that BB and his staff see great things in him that lurk beneath the surface.

by Monday Fan on Jun 5, 2008 1:39 PM PDT reply actions  

Weeks

If he can become a true leadoff batter with speed on the bases, i’m fine with that pick, because we all know we need a true leadoff guy bad, especially for being a small ball team.

There were other players that made more sense in the 12 pick, but if he can work to become a great leadoff guy, i’ll be happy with the pick.

As go the A’s , In Beane we Trust.

by TheGreenGoldCrush on Jun 5, 2008 1:42 PM PDT reply actions  

The write up on the A's site shows that Weeks is a pretty good player.

I trust that Billy know what he is going and like dtownmbrown said above, we have enough 1B/DH players already. Also everybody has been asking for us to get some middle infield help.

This looks great to me:
2008 Preseason Baseball America First Team All-American for the Hurricanes and was batting .366 with 11 homers, 57 RBIs and a .447 on-base percentage through Thursday.

He’d also stolen 19 bases in 20 attempts.

http://oakland.athletics.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080605&content_id=2845386&vkey=news_oak&fext=.jsp&c_id=oak

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by Eastbayjim on Jun 5, 2008 1:44 PM PDT reply actions  

Urban on MLB is not the most un-biased journalist

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by athleticsBB4life on Jun 5, 2008 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

you never know

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Jun 5, 2008 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Those Stats look pretty good

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by Eastbayjim on Jun 5, 2008 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

tired redact?

Why does such a wonderful man like such terrible things? @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jun 5, 2008 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Melillo traded to Toronto; Fiorentino claimed by Orioles

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by athleticsBB4life on Jun 5, 2008 1:51 PM PDT reply actions  

Melillo release

Fiorentino release

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by athleticsBB4life on Jun 5, 2008 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fiorentino is being Jay Marshall'ed

I am Ray Fosse's man crushes for Clay Wood and Jason Kendall.

by franks a lot on Jun 5, 2008 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wrong

Marshall was only waived twice…

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by PaulThomas on Jun 5, 2008 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Did we get Scutaro?

{can’t bear to check}

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by Nico on Jun 5, 2008 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

no luck on Scutaro... just some cash to pay Weeks

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by athleticsBB4life on Jun 5, 2008 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Crap

I was hoping to keep Melillo. Hmmm… maybe the cash will go toward a deadline deal…

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by Joey C. on Jun 5, 2008 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

'Course...

I was concerned about losing Mike Rouse, and that definitely has not turned out to be egg on Beane’s face.

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by Joey C. on Jun 5, 2008 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

So we really didn't get a compensation pick

for Shannon Stewart? What a bunch of crap.

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by sprtsnwyn on Jun 5, 2008 2:01 PM PDT reply actions  

Blame Stewart and his agent

for being greedy and wanting a multi-year contract. Screw your want for financial secruity! We want a comp pick dabnabbit!

I am Ray Fosse's man crushes for Clay Wood and Jason Kendall.

by franks a lot on Jun 5, 2008 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that is a shitty loophole.

He declined a major league deal (we offered arbitration) and signed a minor league deal elsewhere. Stupid.

by mikev on Jun 5, 2008 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe the are loading up to take a high ceiling guy in Rd 2

Tim Melville would be nice.

Doubtful but lets be positive.

by Bud Light on Jun 5, 2008 3:09 PM PDT reply actions  

You know what would be nice?

Knowing who was being picked.

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by PaulThomas on Jun 5, 2008 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

I meant in general...

not just the A’s picks.

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by PaulThomas on Jun 5, 2008 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Doesn't work

It requires a plugin I don’t have. And I’m not about to call up the IT dept and ask them to install it so I can waste time on a draft tracker.

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by PaulThomas on Jun 5, 2008 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

He came into the year

Ranked as one of the best prospects in the draft, and potentially the best high school pitcher in the darft. He has struggled a bit, and wants Top 15 money to sign. If he can be had for $1,500,000 he would add a very talented prospect to whatever team popped him in a later round.

by BlameChannel53 on Jun 5, 2008 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Jun 5, 2008 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Laughed very hard at that Bhaskar

"Let’s just hope he’s not a complete turd out there." -thejd44, describing Crosby's best scenario.

by notsellingjeans on Jun 5, 2008 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

After watching Ross' scouting video ...

I am VERY worried about that right elbow of his …

"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback

by devo on Jun 5, 2008 3:59 PM PDT reply actions  

Link...?

to this scouting video? I’m curious about his awkward mechanics

"Well that's just like, your opinion, man."
-El Dudarino

by Degolas on Jun 5, 2008 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

He throws off a stiff front leg

He plants his left foot, keeps his knee stiff, and kind of pivots his body around the plant foot, whipping his arm about 3/4 or a little higher.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Jun 5, 2008 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

That Delivery Needs A Lot of Work

Ron Romanick will definitely be refining this guys delivery. He seems to have a live arm, though.

by Colorado Fan on Jun 5, 2008 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ziggy Mark II?

I want him to throw underhand!! He’d definitely be the scariest submariner ever—righties would hit .050 against him, if they were lucky!

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Jun 5, 2008 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I sense an obsession here, Nick

Sea kelp.

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by Nico on Jun 5, 2008 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

You mean Seay kelp?

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Jun 5, 2008 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, I'm going with Miner

because I’m “old school”.

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by Nico on Jun 5, 2008 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

the guy can hit 97 though already

"It's not my fault your team's so shitty." -Steve Friend, head coach, Chabot College, to Laney College's head coach, who asked why we scored so many runs after we beat Laney 30-3 in 2006

by flipgatey3 on Jun 5, 2008 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

So can Travis Buck!

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by Nico on Jun 5, 2008 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not 097...

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by PaulThomas on Jun 5, 2008 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

zing

"It's not my fault your team's so shitty." -Steve Friend, head coach, Chabot College, to Laney College's head coach, who asked why we scored so many runs after we beat Laney 30-3 in 2006

by flipgatey3 on Jun 5, 2008 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

or should i say

tag team quote of the month

"It's not my fault your team's so shitty." -Steve Friend, head coach, Chabot College, to Laney College's head coach, who asked why we scored so many runs after we beat Laney 30-3 in 2006

by flipgatey3 on Jun 5, 2008 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

it's from the mlb draft tracker ...

can’t link it …

"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback

by devo on Jun 5, 2008 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

sickles ranking

sickles ranks Ross the 11th best pitcher the draft….

11) Tyson Ross, RHP, University of California: 7-2, 4.47 ERA with 51/24 K/BB in 56.1 innings, 56 hits allowed. He's winning games but command has been an issue for him and his component marks aren't outstanding. Big guy at 6-6, but delivery looks funny (stiff and upright) and that hurts his stock a bit. Can hit 95 MPH.

by dbeach13 on Jun 5, 2008 4:03 PM PDT reply actions  

What is up

with that formatting bug.

Frigging bizarre.

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by PaulThomas on Jun 5, 2008 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

not sure

i just copied and pasted that from sickles site

by dbeach13 on Jun 5, 2008 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that post went off the grid

can’t even read it.

"Let’s just hope he’s not a complete turd out there." -thejd44, describing Crosby's best scenario.

by notsellingjeans on Jun 5, 2008 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Goldstein

Goldstein on Ross: http://www.baseball-analysis.com/article.php?articleid=7611

34. Tyson Ross, RHP, California
What He Is: Intimidating six-foot-six righty with a heavy low- to mid-90s sinker.
What He’s Not: A guy who’s come anywhere close to expectations this year.
In A Perfect World He Becomes: A big-time power pitcher.
Backup Plan: A reliever who gets strikeouts and groundballs.
Open Issues: He has a lot of secondary pitches, but none of them are great; his mechanics are complicated, although he repeats them well.

by ohmangoAs on Jun 5, 2008 4:05 PM PDT reply actions  

3rd Round

Preston Paramore a catcher from ASU

What?

"That Crosby kid, as well as that Chavez guy, suck." - my Grandfather
Currently Listening: Kanye West - Graduation; In Flames - A Sense of Purpose.

by Morgasm on Jun 5, 2008 4:09 PM PDT reply actions  

A's got Paramore?

Nice pick.

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by PaulThomas on Jun 5, 2008 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Any links?

"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback

by devo on Jun 5, 2008 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

According to the draft ticker

Looks like a line drive hitter, with extremely good defense.

Sounds like a younger Jason Kendall.

"That Crosby kid, as well as that Chavez guy, suck." - my Grandfather
Currently Listening: Kanye West - Graduation; In Flames - A Sense of Purpose.

by Morgasm on Jun 5, 2008 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

nothing like a young Jason Kendall

He is nowhere near as athletic as Kendall. He is also much better defensively than Kendall was at that age. Bad comp.

by BlameChannel53 on Jun 5, 2008 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

no it's still a good comp, as long as he's white.

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Jun 5, 2008 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

You know who Jemile Weeks comps to?

Cecil Fielder.

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by PaulThomas on Jun 5, 2008 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Here's a good interracial comp for you

Paramore is very similar in body type, defensive ability, and hitting ability to a young Jose Molina.

by BlameChannel53 on Jun 5, 2008 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

paramore

do you have a crushcrushcrush on that guy?

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Jun 5, 2008 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

nobody laughed at that one?

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Jun 5, 2008 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I found it funny w/o the link

As in, “PT paramour”

Why does such a wonderful man like such terrible things? @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jun 5, 2008 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

If catching doesn't work out

he’s going to become an actor in silent movies.

"Tomorrow it may rain." - Leo Durocher

by andeux on Jun 5, 2008 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

If lawyering doesn't work out

I’m going to become an adult film director.

Wait, what?

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by PaulThomas on Jun 5, 2008 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

So basically, you like seeing people get screwed?

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by Nico on Jun 5, 2008 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I prefer it in the pluperfect subjunctive

Scrumptious!

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by PaulThomas on Jun 5, 2008 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Evidently, he's a great defensive player (mlb site says he could catch in the big leagues now)

who can get on base, but doesn’t have much power. He’s also 6’2” and “sturdy” (which I hope isn’t the new version of “husky”).

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Jun 5, 2008 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

But

He’ll never make it… he’s not from South Dakota…

by As Fan in the Bronx on Jun 5, 2008 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Another switch hitter

The A's colors are green and gold.

by mikeA on Jun 5, 2008 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jemile Weeks ~ Kenny Lofton(?)

None of this is scientific, or even valuable, just throwing out some thoughts and looking for feedback…

If Weeks gets moved to CF – which I think there’s a good chance he will – I think our best-case scenario projection-wise would be Kenny Lofton, circa Indians cost-controlled years.

Same below average arm, blazing speed with good instincts, 60 walks/80 k’s, suprising power for a small frame, and 40-50 sbs a year along with a great steal %.

Averaging a .300/.380/.420 line through his cost-controlled years, with an average OPS of .800. If he can do that, bat leadoff, plus steal the 40-50 bags a year – that pick will look great.

I could easily visualize him being the opening-day starting CF in 2011 at age 24, when Sweeney, CarGon and Buck are all grown up and too big to play decent defensive CF anymore.

I think that Beane’s scouts/Beane believe that Weeks can become the rare outstanding defensive CF (like Rajai Davis) who can still put up .780-.800 OPS-type numbers. If he does, he’ll justify the pick.

"Let’s just hope he’s not a complete turd out there." -thejd44, describing Crosby's best scenario.

by notsellingjeans on Jun 5, 2008 4:13 PM PDT reply actions  

Maybe a little

Weeks has plus speed, but nowhere near the speed Lofton had. If Weeks could be young Lofton with less steals he would defintely be a very good pick.

by BlameChannel53 on Jun 5, 2008 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

And this comparison is based on...

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by PaulThomas on Jun 5, 2008 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ah, yes

Chris Burke going bananas in his junior year clearly indicates that all college middle infielders who hit well will be MLB busts.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Jun 5, 2008 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

hmm?

I never said anything about anyone being a bust.

by apilgrim on Jun 5, 2008 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

alright

My comparison would be 2001 Chris Burke appears very similar to 2008 Weeks to me.

by apilgrim on Jun 5, 2008 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why PaulThomas deserves the grief he gets on AN:

“Ah Yes – Chris Burke going bananas in his junior year clearly indicates that all college middle infielders who hit well will be MLB busts.”

-1000 for unnecessary obnoxiousness.

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by Nico on Jun 5, 2008 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

...and you claim I post unnecessary comments

Please explain to me, or anyone, what purpose this was supposed to serve.

That wasn’t close to “obnoxious.” I literally have no idea what the hell you’re talking about.

Were you abused by sarcasm as a small child or something? It seems to be anathema in your church.

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by PaulThomas on Jun 5, 2008 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's a little frightening to me that I believe

you when you say you have no idea what the hell I’m talking about. Oh well, so be it.

Since it doesn’t appear to be in my nature to ignore your comments as much as I wish I would, from now on I’ll just reply to your belittlements of others with a rephrased appropriate version in quotes. My first entry:

“I actually don’t think that’s an accurate comp – he just happened to be one player who went bananas in his junior year of college and went on to be a bust.”

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by Nico on Jun 5, 2008 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

WTF?

Ah, yes
Chris Burke going bananas in his junior year clearly indicates that all college middle infielders who hit well will be MLB busts.

Do please point out the place in this comment where I “belittled” him.

your belittlements of others

I’m really trying to hold on to my temper. That is a straight out lie. That’s the best I can say about that sentence. It’s false. Truth value zero. Etc.

Sarcasm is a rhetorical device. It is not Satan’s word on Earth. It is not prima facie evidence of contempt for your fellow man.

I clearly misunderstood what the guy was saying. I didn’t get into some kind of argument. This was literally a non-issue until you randomly decided to make it one by slamming me.

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by PaulThomas on Jun 5, 2008 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's not random. Your style of talking to people,

which is generally to talk down to them, is one of the main reasons I just stay away from AN sometimes – and I’m a fricking moderator. The nicest thing I can say to you about sarcasm is that it doesn’t become you. Instead of playing the victim about how bad it is or isn’t, why don’t you just try something else?

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by Nico on Jun 5, 2008 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Boyz... meds!

It’s that time again…

I’m gonna let PT off the barbed part of the hook on this one; after all he couldn’t watch or track the draft because his IT department sucks. That’d piss off anyone and it’s reasonable to take it out on invisible people who can only type back. Just a smart move, in my opinion.

Nico, your flaw here is you weren’t funny. Usually, when you chastise people, you’re funny. Bring the funny! BTW, I hate it when you disappear. I have a kindergarten crush on your funny.

PT, you need “power user” status. I just harassed my IT guys for every little thing until they finally just unlocked my machine. Being a pest works… but then, com’on, you know that.

Points if you can tell the “sarcasm” from the “sincerity.”

"optimism 1 pessimism 0" ~Dirk

by 149 on Jun 5, 2008 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Upon reflection, I should have

sarcastically criticized the use of sarcasm. Or just taken the damn meds.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jun 6, 2008 8:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

That may or may not be

and it is not what is pissing me off about this thread.

What is, are two things:

1. Your statement that I “belittled” him is still a libel. Whether or not I have done it on other occasions is irrelevant. The fact that I swore on the site once does not mean that you can say that I swore in every single post subsequent to that.

2. You basically just declared open season on me. Not only is this spectacularly hypocritical, it’s also tactically silly. No one wants to spend large amounts of time reading through back and forth flame wars. I cannot figure out why you seem determined to try to provoke them.

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by PaulThomas on Jun 6, 2008 8:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

FWIW ...

I agree with Nico on #1 … your statement was definitely not a friendly statement … it may not have been intended as such, but it came across as basically implying you thought he was an idiot.

I agree with you on #2 … his various statements were basically as condescending as yours and he certainly wins in terms of volume and persistence.

"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback

by devo on Jun 6, 2008 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

I would agree with devo on both points

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jun 6, 2008 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Be honest ...

you didn’t read them, you just saw that the first one included “I agree with Nico …” and the second one said that ”... [Nico] certainly wins …”

"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback

by devo on Jun 6, 2008 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's worse than that -

I happened to be googling “agree + Nico + wins,” as I do every day, and saw that you had made a comment – so I just replied without reading it.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jun 6, 2008 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

closer inspection

rate stats are very similar (although Burke had bigger absolute numbers). Age, body type.

by apilgrim on Jun 5, 2008 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

also

size, position, batting order on team, scouting reports, speed numbers. I do think that Miami ACC division though is stronger than the SEC these past few years in baseball though, so the competition edge would go to Weeks.

by apilgrim on Jun 5, 2008 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's a decent comp, based on scouting reports at the time

Burke has turned out poorly, but the Astros treated him badly by jerking him around to keep Biggio’s rotting corpse on the field well past his expiration date.

by BlameChannel53 on Jun 5, 2008 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Comparable blackness levels, as well.

"Looks like you brought two too many."

by BWH on Jun 5, 2008 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

No Kyle Long Yet, Huh?

I am surprised that no one has drafted him yet. He is a LHP and LH batting stud. I guess that he wants to go to College and someone will take him in the 17th Round and see if they can sign the kid.

Pride And Poise!!!

by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Jun 5, 2008 4:16 PM PDT reply actions  

Melville still there as well

I’m guessing at this point there is no reason to draft him though.

Might as well Jump! - Van Halen

by sprtsnwyn on Jun 5, 2008 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

From BPro's draft board

Kevin Goldstein (3:09:03 PM PT): Matt (Belmont,CA): Can you help me justify Weeks over the Walrus for the A’s?

Absolutely. Always bet on the tools. And it’s not like Weeks didn’t perform. much nicer player.

by el generico on Jun 5, 2008 4:17 PM PDT reply actions  

That guy who asked the question to Goldstein

What a dumbass…

"Sometimes Joe [Morgan] doesn't like facts to get in the way of his opinions." - Billy Beane

by Roscoe Parrish on Jun 5, 2008 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

i am the walrus

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Jun 5, 2008 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why does such a wonderful man like such terrible things? @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jun 5, 2008 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Golfing legend (fittingly pictured with a chainsaw)

I am Ray Fosse's man crushes for Clay Wood and Jason Kendall.

by franks a lot on Jun 5, 2008 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Who is the Walrus?

Wallace?

Might as well Jump! - Van Halen

by sprtsnwyn on Jun 5, 2008 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not quite

That’s what the scouts have started to call Wallace…

"Sometimes Joe [Morgan] doesn't like facts to get in the way of his opinions." - Billy Beane

by Roscoe Parrish on Jun 5, 2008 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Walrus was Paul.

"Looks like you brought two too many."

by BWH on Jun 5, 2008 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Who buried Paul?

I am Ray Fosse's man crushes for Clay Wood and Jason Kendall.

by franks a lot on Jun 5, 2008 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Remember Colamarino?

He had bitch-tits.

"Looks like you brought two too many."

by BWH on Jun 5, 2008 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

hahahah

such a good quote

"It's not my fault your team's so shitty." -Steve Friend, head coach, Chabot College, to Laney College's head coach, who asked why we scored so many runs after we beat Laney 30-3 in 2006

by flipgatey3 on Jun 5, 2008 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow, the A's really were cheap this year

Apparently they only scouted the Pac-10.

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by PaulThomas on Jun 5, 2008 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Random tidbit

Arizona just drafted a high school pitcher named Kevin Eichhorn. His dad is Mark Eichhorn, a sidearmer/submariner who had one of the great rookie seasons of the last 30 years, and one of the best seasons by a reliever ever. The kid throws with a standard motion.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Jun 5, 2008 4:30 PM PDT reply actions  

interesting name

I’m going to be the first to post a nickname

J-Mile

It’s not much of a stretch from how you say his real name and I know it’s a play on jimmy rollins nickname but it sounds cool to me : -) plus it kind of works for a guy with good speed.

here’s crossing my fingers on being able to yell that in Oakland (or Fremont?)


You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}

by micdog2001 on Jun 5, 2008 4:32 PM PDT reply actions  

The Green Jemile

Why does such a wonderful man like such terrible things? @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jun 5, 2008 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Eichhorn is a Santa Cruz kid

Dad took little league team to world series (aptos)

by Bud Light on Jun 5, 2008 4:33 PM PDT reply actions  

Royals take Melville in the 4th

"Tomorrow it may rain." - Leo Durocher

by andeux on Jun 5, 2008 4:33 PM PDT reply actions  

Wow

That’s a strong move for them, and they certainly could use the influx of talent . . .

by BlameChannel53 on Jun 5, 2008 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Watching his scouting video, his windup is very weird though

and it looks like he is just throwing the ball instead of pitching it.

by Zonis on Jun 5, 2008 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe they can actually teach him a delievery and use

his lower half. Could gain a few ticks on his 91-93MPH fastball.

When will then be now? Soon.

by Syphon on Jun 5, 2008 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

We're going to convert him to a submariner.

Book it.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Jun 5, 2008 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Submariners are successful because

it’s difficult to hit the ball underwater.

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by Nico on Jun 5, 2008 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Can someone explain the Ross pick for me?

Maybe it’s that I saw this game live, and that made me sour on him (because, frankly, the SC offence is not that great), and his mechanics look like an elbow injury waiting to happen.

We absolutely demolished Cal pitching all series that set, but … still. Hits were pretty hard, and he was kind of wild on top of it… so, someone needs to sell me on him.

As I said in the other game, he could have be aces for every other game, but… you know. I only saw this one, and it was ugly.

"The hard... is what makes it great."

by Jjjsixsix on Jun 5, 2008 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's a classic scouting pick

As Goldstein pointed out, you can’t teach height or velocity, and Ross has both. As a first round pick, no good. At pick #59? Great value.

by BlameChannel53 on Jun 5, 2008 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

You just made Rashad really depressed -

You can’t teach height? :-(

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by Nico on Jun 5, 2008 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

He throws mid 90s without using his legs at all ...

His physical tools are incredible - his mechanics need a lot of work - but he’s the kind of 2nd round pick that could really blow up … (unless his elbow does first because of the mechanics)

"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback

by devo on Jun 5, 2008 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

I say teach him a solid delievery...

let him work on it in A ball for a year and see what happends. If it works out he could be top of the line starter.

When will then be now? Soon.

by Syphon on Jun 5, 2008 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm exactly the opposite

As I mentioned in the other thread, I also only saw him pitch once, and posted about it here at AN. He was a freshman pitching against a very good Long Beach State team (including Evan Longoria). He didn’t have great command of his breaking pitches so he was working with runners on base a lot of the game, but he showed great poise and consistently made the big pitches to get out of it.

As for his mechanics, well, the pessimistic view would be that he’s an arm injury waiting to happen, and the optimistic view would be that he’s 6’5”, and if he’s throwing in the low 90’s using just his arm just think what he could do with better coaching. Certainly there’s reason for concern, but if he were perfect he’d have gone a lot higher. Overall, I like the pick.

"Tomorrow it may rain." - Leo Durocher

by andeux on Jun 5, 2008 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

This Ross character doesn't seem to put much leg into his delivery.

I’m no mechanics expert, but really, that’s a choppy delivery.

Big dude, though.

"Looks like you brought two too many."

by BWH on Jun 5, 2008 4:35 PM PDT reply actions  

Yeah, I noticed. He might need his mechanics completly rebuilt.

It looks like he is just throwing the ball. Yet, he can generate that much speed just doing that? Imagine if they fixed his mechanics or gave him a new windup. He could generate much more power.

by Zonis on Jun 5, 2008 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

I doubt he'll add much velocity ...

but better mechanics should allow him to maintain that velocity for 100+ pitches and 200+ innings …

"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback

by devo on Jun 5, 2008 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wonder if they will send Ross to the Instructional League or Rookie League

and not Vancouver Short Season. If they do want to rebuild his mechanics, that would be the place to start.

by Zonis on Jun 5, 2008 4:37 PM PDT reply actions  

Another college pitcher.

Anthony Capra.

"Looks like you brought two too many."

by BWH on Jun 5, 2008 4:42 PM PDT reply actions  

it's a wonderful pick

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Jun 5, 2008 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol

stat-addled alien overlord

by salb918 on Jun 5, 2008 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

mmm.

9-0, 2.87 ERA, .212 BAA, 30 BB, 87 K, in 75 1/3 over 13 starts.

"The hard... is what makes it great."

by Jjjsixsix on Jun 5, 2008 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

previous two years

http://thebaseballcube.com/players/C/Anthony-Capra.shtml

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Jun 5, 2008 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Apparently, his

last two years have been better: cube.

"The hard... is what makes it great."

by Jjjsixsix on Jun 5, 2008 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not really ... he was primarily pitching out of the bullpen ...

"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback

by devo on Jun 5, 2008 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Judging by his video,

he is NOT 200 pounds. More like 220.

Stocky lefty, reliever’s delivery.

"Looks like you brought two too many."

by BWH on Jun 5, 2008 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

video? link?

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Jun 5, 2008 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

probably the MLB one.

mms link.

"The hard... is what makes it great."

by Jjjsixsix on Jun 5, 2008 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

which apparently didn't work.

mms://a1503.v108692.c10869.g.vm.akamaistream.net/7/1503/10869/v0001/mlb.download.akamai.com/10869/2008/open/draft/broll/br_capra_anthony_400.wmv

"The hard... is what makes it great."

by Jjjsixsix on Jun 5, 2008 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hope this

works.

"Looks like you brought two too many."

by BWH on Jun 5, 2008 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Shit.

That’s Ross’s video.

Here’s Capra.

"Looks like you brought two too many."

by BWH on Jun 5, 2008 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Shit.

That’s Ross’s video.

Here’s Capra.

"Looks like you brought two too many."

by BWH on Jun 5, 2008 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

What?

Why’d that post?

I love the word “shit.”

"Looks like you brought two too many."

by BWH on Jun 5, 2008 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

4th round A's pick....Anthony Capra

"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane

by athleticsBB4life on Jun 5, 2008 4:42 PM PDT reply actions  

Love his grandfather's films...

I am Ray Fosse's man crushes for Clay Wood and Jason Kendall.

by franks a lot on Jun 5, 2008 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Stud

I live in Wichita. Very good reliever.

Might as well Jump! - Van Halen

by sprtsnwyn on Jun 5, 2008 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Apparently,

the Sunday starter this year, or the equivalent thereof in the Missouri Valley Conference.

But relieved the past two years.

"The hard... is what makes it great."

by Jjjsixsix on Jun 5, 2008 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

As do I.

"The hard... is what makes it great."

by Jjjsixsix on Jun 5, 2008 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Goldstein says
Not a big physical lefty, but average to slightly above velo, very nice changes, not much of a breaking ball.

by BlameChannel53 on Jun 5, 2008 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

So, Dallas Braden with a few ticks on the FB

Not terribly exciting.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Jun 5, 2008 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

if 4 is mid... then...

what’s round 25?

(just waiting for the next pick, i know what you mean.)

"The hard... is what makes it great."

by Jjjsixsix on Jun 5, 2008 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

in my jargon

1-3 is early, 4-10 mid, 11-50 late

by BlameChannel53 on Jun 5, 2008 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't really understand what the point is

They already have lefty pitching out the wazoo.

Whatever, it looks like those of us hoping that the A’s would go over-slot on a player for once will end up severely disappointed… again. I can’t figure out how such an obviously imbecilic system “works.”

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Jun 5, 2008 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

If lawyering doesn't work out

you’ll learn about “pitching out the wazoo”.

formerly known as mdl

by iglew on Jun 5, 2008 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Best name so far:

Devaris Strange-Gordon, JuCo SS to the Dodgers.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Jun 5, 2008 4:51 PM PDT reply actions  

Neither better than Angel Pagan

... oh wait, not in draft… but still, kick ass name.

"optimism 1 pessimism 0" ~Dirk

by 149 on Jun 5, 2008 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Twins took Daniel Ortiz,

a toolsy, 5’11”, 166 pound HS outfielder.

Who saw that coming?

"Looks like you brought two too many."

by BWH on Jun 5, 2008 4:55 PM PDT reply actions  

By the way, Saint,

Ratliff to NYM at 134.

"The hard... is what makes it great."

by Jjjsixsix on Jun 5, 2008 4:56 PM PDT reply actions  

Saw That, Thanks:

Now I want Satan!!!

I mean Stain!!!???

Or rather…Satin!!

Pride And Poise!!!

by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Jun 5, 2008 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

OK looking at Ratliff's photo

the guy looks like Marty Feldman on a bad eyeball day.

I’m impressed he can even see the pitch.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Jun 5, 2008 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

David Duncan

is he another one of Dave Duncan’s kids?

"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane

by athleticsBB4life on Jun 5, 2008 5:10 PM PDT reply actions  

Jason Christian SS

"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane

by athleticsBB4life on Jun 5, 2008 5:12 PM PDT reply actions  

U of Mich.

"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane

by athleticsBB4life on Jun 5, 2008 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

my computer dislikes umich for using PDFs.

slash stats: 330/445/567/1012
13 2b, 6 3b, 7 hr; 16/18 sb; 39 bb 36 k; 13 errors in 50 games.

"The hard... is what makes it great."

by Jjjsixsix on Jun 5, 2008 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

06-07:

cube

"The hard... is what makes it great."

by Jjjsixsix on Jun 5, 2008 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jason Christian.

6’3” college SS out of Michigan

"Looks like you brought two too many."

by BWH on Jun 5, 2008 5:12 PM PDT reply actions  

Christian?

Why didn’t the Rockies take him?

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Jun 5, 2008 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

WOW!!! Michigan, Miami, Wichita State, Cal, ASU!!!

Those are some baseball powerhouses…These schools are a far cry from UNC Willmington and Brown.

Pride And Poise!!!

by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Jun 5, 2008 5:15 PM PDT reply actions  

Satin can hit

but he’s really old for a college guy—redshirt senior.

The pick of Weeks made him supernumerary, IMO. On the other hand, the fact that he would be available is one of the reasons I wouldn’t have picked Weeks…

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Jun 5, 2008 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, we just lost Melillo

Sounds like he’d be a good replacement.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Jun 5, 2008 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

considering

brett wallace:

justin-siena high school
favorite team is the a’s
favorite player is eric chavez
loves to get into hitters’ counts
walks a ton
raw power

and we didn’t pick him…thank goodness we got ross though

"It's not my fault your team's so shitty." -Steve Friend, head coach, Chabot College, to Laney College's head coach, who asked why we scored so many runs after we beat Laney 30-3 in 2006

by flipgatey3 on Jun 5, 2008 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kenny Williams

Drops a 6th round pick on his son. He’s fast, and that’s it.

Might as well Jump! - Van Halen

by sprtsnwyn on Jun 5, 2008 5:37 PM PDT reply actions  

psst.

new thread open atop this?

"The hard... is what makes it great."

by Jjjsixsix on Jun 5, 2008 5:39 PM PDT reply actions  

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