Time to Get Your A's...or Not
Yes, folks, it's that time of year again. Time for me to hand out my half year grades for our Oakland Athletics. I'm going to do it a little differently this year. In past seasons, I'd give it out to individuals, but I'm going to give it to the different portions of the team. I'm going to break it out into starting pitching, relief pitching, offense, managing and front office. I'll give my grade and my thinking as to why that grade applies and then standouts and disappointments.
As always, this is not scientific by any means. Much of it has to do with the expectations that I had for that aspect of the A's I mentioned.
Starting pitching - A: The A's started the season with a lot of question marks in their rotation. I honestly thought that the rotation would include Lenny DiNardo and Kirk Saarloos right about now. I figured Harden and Duchscherer would not have lasted and the emergency plan of DiNardo and Saarloos would be in full motion while we were waiting for Brett Anderson and Trevor Cahill to make it to the pros. Granted, both have missed time with injuries in the first half, but they've also pitched a lot more than I thought they were. As a matter of fact, the A's starting pitching team ERA is 3.48, the best in the entire majors. The starting pitching has been absolutely, positively stellar and probably the biggest reason the A's are still within shouting distance of the division-leading Angels. They've also been able to do it with two rookies in Greg Smith and Dana Eveland. It'll be interesting to see how those two guys hold up over the second half. The irony of all this is that the pitcher who the A's tagged with the "ace" tag before the season started happens to be their worst starter statistically right now.
Starting pitching standouts: Rich Harden, Justin Duchscherer, Dana Eveland, Greg Smith
Starting pitching disappointments: Joe Blanton
Relief pitching - A- : If the major reason the A's have been winning is their starters, the relief pitching is the minor reason. The A's have the sixth best ERA out of their relievers in all of baseball. They've also done it with a cast of largely no names and folks that people didn't expect to be as good as they have been. Santiago Casilla had a Dennis Eckersley-like start to his year. Andrew Brown was fantastic. Joey Devine was spectacular. Brad Ziegler came from Sacramento to become integral. The known quantities like Embree, Foulke and Street suddenly seemed to be the ones that made me more nervous than the less proven guys. Still, the pen has been relatively solid. Huston Street hasn't been as good as I'd like but I do suspect that he's been pitching through various injuries this year.
Relief pitching standouts: Joey Devine, Brad Ziegler, Andrew Brown, Santiago Casilla, Chad Gaudin (he also could've made the starting pitcher portion too), Keith Foulke (yes, he's been good even though he scares me to death at times),
Relief pitching disappointments: Huston Street
Offense - D+ : The A's have the 25th best batting average in all of baseball. A team that prides itself on having patience at the plate is 16th in all of baseball in on-base percentage. And let's not talk about power. The team is 26th in all of baseball in slugging percentage. Not surprisingly, the team is 10th in the AL in runs scored. If this team had just average hitting and the starting pitching continues to prove its might, the A's could truly be a contending team this year. Now I suspected we'd have this issue, especially with a lot of very young guys getting their first true extended major league experience. Carlos Gonzalez, Daric Barton, Kurt Suzuki and Travis Buck were all likely going to be a foundation of the A's offense. I expected them to have ups and downs, but for Barton and Buck, it's mostly been downs. Jack Hannahan was getting his first extended experience. Jack Cust really only had last season in the pros. So a lot of the offense was built on wild cards. One major known entity was Frank Thomas who the A's picked up for a piece of Hubba Bubba and a used Hyundai when the Blue Jays dumped him. Not surprisingly, the Blue Jays are one of the teams who has scored fewer runs than the A's in the AL. Still, I suspected the A's hitting was going to be mediocre, but it's been downright bad at points. There are a few guys who've been right about where I expected them to be, such as Mark Ellis and even Bobby Crosby (although he has been a bit better than I expected).
Offensive standouts: Kurt Suzuki, Ryan Sweeney, Jack Cust (he does have an .823 OPS even if his BA isn't impressive), Frank Thomas
Offensive disappointments: Travis Buck (possibly my personal biggest disappointment), Daric Barton (yeah he's really young, but he raised hopes of something special at the end of the year last year), Emil Brown (I expected him to at least hit left-handed pitching), Chris Denorfia (I thought he was going to be the regular guy in center field)
Managing - B : I still hadn't made up my mind about Geren before this season started. He hasn't done anything patently stupid and he's more flexible with his lineup card than Macha could've ever dreamed of being. The problem is that when he's filling out that lineup card, he's often dealing with many of his best hitters not being there. Ryan Sweeney has been arguably the A's best hitter this year and yet, he's been in and out of the lineup due to injury issues. Mike Sweeney was hitting well and now he has injured knees. Frank Thomas was getting in a groove and then he went down. Eric Chavez has just recently become a regular in the A's lineup and he doesn't look 100 percent yet. Still the starting pitching has made Geren look good. He's made smart decisions for the most part with the bullpen. Although I would really like to see him start to trust some of the younger guys a little more. Foulke always looks like he's about to give up a bomb. And Embree is always all about the heat, it's just a matter of whether someone gets geared up enough for it. One thing that I'm sure is a popular topic of discussion these days among the A's front office and Geren is what to do about Joe Blanton. After yesterday's performance, I really think the A's have to think about replacing him as a starter, at least temporarily, with Chad Gaudin. Still, given what the A's have had to deal with this year in terms of the injection of youth, unexpectedly bad struggles of guys like Buck and Barton, the myriad of injuries in the bullpen and to key offensive pieces, Geren has done a nice job of keeping a team that wasn't expected to compete in the running. Much of that has to do with the starting pitching, mind you, but Geren has also done a pretty damn good job of handling the bullpen.
Front office - A- : I know a lot of folks are going to automatically charge me with just giving Beane some undeserved praise here, but I honestly think that this could be the best job Beane has done in his time with the A's. Yes, the team is still offensively deficient. But it also has the best starting pitching in baseball right now and that's WITH the "ace" being the worst statistically on staff. Danny Haren was awesome. No one can dispute that. But the A's have three significant chips already contributing at the major league level. They also have a ton of talent in their minor league system now. I'm not sure there are too many other front office groups in baseball who could simultaneously rebuild a farm system while keeping the major league team competitive for a division crown. The biggest thing Beane has done is to build a team with depth. So when an Eric Chavez can't play for months at a time, Jack Hannahan is waiting to take over. Earlier in the season when Barton was struggling at first, Mike Sweeney saw some time there. Greg Smith stepped into the rotation when Harden and Duchscherer went down. Gaudin would probably be a top three starter for most rotations. Yet he's sixth on the A's depth chart. Brad Ziegler is there when the A's have bullpen issues. Beane is nothing if not adaptive. Yes, Emil Brown is seeming like a mistake right now, but he also had a ton of key RBIs at the beginning of the season when seemingly no one was batting in runs. And Beane deserves a ton of credit for getting Frank Thomas for nothing. Is the offense still a gong show? Yes. But Beane has done enough to cover up for the shortcomings by building the best rotation in baseball and a very steady bullpen to back it up.
Overall - A- : Honestly I wrestled with this one for a while. I wavered between a B, B+, A- and an A. But ultimately for me it came down to expectations. I did not expect this team to be here halfway through the season. I expected them to be in a distant third or even last place in the division. But the starting pitching has kept this team afloat and right in the thick of the AL West despite low to no expectations from most folks. And my expectations were pretty low heading into 2008. I thought I'd just enjoy watching some young kids come into their own. Instead the team has fought and scrapped its way into second place in the division.
So there you have it. My first half grades for our Oakland Athletics in 2008. What grades would you give and why? Who has been a disppointment so far and who has been a standout?
Better yet, give me some predictions for the second half of 2008. Will the A's hang with the Angels or will they fade? Will Harden and/or Duchscherer be sent to a contender for a truckload of quality prospects? And maybe you even want to throw in the win total for 2008. If I had to guess, I think the A's wind up around 86 wins and I do think either Harden or Duke will be dealt.
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1st half grades and 2nd half thoughts
First half standouts – Harden, Duke, Eveland, Smith, Swooney.
First half disappointments – Blanton, Barton, Buck.
Starting Pitching: A
Relief Pitching: B+
Offense: D
Defense: B
Geren: B-
Beane: B+
Overall: B+
Second half thoughts/predictions:
Harden will be traded to Phillies for a Haren-like haul. It may need to be a 3 way.
The schedule is going to make it very difficult for the A’s to stay within striking distance of Anaheim. 48 road games, just 33 home games and only 4 scheduled off days (not counting ASB). So far, Smith and Eveland have had 5 days rest in about half their starts. That will not be the case for the rest of the year, which does not bode well as Eveland has never thrown more than 117 innings on any level and Smith has never thrown more than 104 innings on any level.
I say they finish 82-79, with 1 game rained out and not made up.
A little plumbing! Got to plumb! Plumb the depths! The depths of hell! - Larry David, CYE
by Swooney's Left Foot on Jun 30, 2008 12:43 AM PDT 0 recs
Smith has never thrown more than 104 innings on any level
Actually, he has. In his first year out of college, he threw about 180 innings (in, granted, a seven-month season).
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on
Jun 30, 2008 1:34 AM PDT
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I count six off days
July 24 and 31, August 11, September 1, 15 and 25.
The stretch from August 12-September 1 is going to be a long one….home for a week (TB and Chicago), then off to Minnesota, Seattle, and Anaheim, then home for Minnesota, all with no off day….
There's no crying in baseball!
by gigglingone on
Jun 30, 2008 8:52 AM PDT
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I still see Harden as an off-season trade
as I don’t think Billy is going to get what he wants during the season. Let’s see Harden pitch the rest of the year with no major health issues (knock on wood!!!) and then he’s a Haren-like trade in December.
http://athleticsforlife.net
by Kelly on Jun 30, 2008 5:15 AM PDT 0 recs
Mulder-like trade more likely
Harden is injury prone and only has 1 year remaining on his contract. If you can bring back a “Haren-Calero-Barton” type trade, you have to take it this offseason.
by Colorado Fan on
Jun 30, 2008 9:59 AM PDT
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Harden
Would make better sense to trade him while his value is at its highest. Unless you’re thinking about making a serious run at the Angels.
by sggut95 on
Jun 30, 2008 2:34 PM PDT
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Harden's body has been bionically fixed. He is now invincible.
by mikev on
Jun 30, 2008 2:47 PM PDT
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Comments like these (and I know you're joking)...
... are going to make the inevitable fall that much more splatterific.
President and CEO of the Ryan Sweeney Apologists Consortium
by Joey C. on
Jun 30, 2008 2:57 PM PDT
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There will be no fall. He is impervious.
I figured being super positive will work this time.
by mikev on
Jun 30, 2008 3:02 PM PDT
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Victorino
Looking back, its a shame that the A’s didn’t try to trade Blanton for a player like Victorino when Blanton had trade value…Victorino would have been a nice addition and moving Gaudin to the rotation would be nice.
by mills16 on Jun 30, 2008 6:41 AM PDT 0 recs
Agreed - that would have been awesome
With the added advantage that Harden would have pitched a no-hitter!
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on
Jun 30, 2008 8:56 AM PDT
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Blanton will be traded
For a solid – not spectacular – bat plus a prospect or two to a contending team (maybe the Yankees, where he could win 8 games in July / August / September just by pitching like he’s done on average this season).
By replacing Blanton with Gaudin and adding a little offense the A’s will win 5 more games than they would have otherwise. Harden and Duke will miss a combined 10 starts over the rest of the season. The A’s will still fade a little as guys like Smith and Eveland come back to earth. They’ll lose the division by 8 games and miss the wild card by 5. And the season will have been a spectacular success at that level.
It's tough when your kid's favorite ballplayer is David Ortiz
by eastcoasta'sfan on Jun 30, 2008 7:11 AM PDT 0 recs
some of the individual grades-- the whole seems right
4 of the 5 starters deserve A pluses—you would only downgrade them for injury (Duke, Harden) and rookie status (Smith, Eveland) but in terms of expectations how can they be anything but?
Blanton gets a D minus
BullPen is harder—I think Casilla, Devine and Brown all deserve at least an A minus. Ziegler an A plus. Foulke a B. Embree a B minus. Street a C minus Gaudin a B
Suzuki and Sweeney are the only two hitters i would give an A to. Ellis and Crosby are Bs. Chavez a B plus because of limited time. Thomas too. Cust a B minus. Gonzalez a B.
Buck an F; Hannahan a C minus; Barton a D; Brown a D. The rest are incompletes or too small a sample size.
by windyfelix on Jun 30, 2008 7:12 AM PDT 0 recs
My Thoughts
Starting pitching = A
Bullpen = A-
Offense = D
Geren = B
Beane = A-
I think the A’s need to look for a trade in regards to Blanton. He looks like he could use a new address and I think Gaudin could step in and produce.
If the A’s can get Frank Thomas back healthy that will be a plus. Even with him in the lineup this team will not be a run scoring machine. The pitching has to hold up.
I see them hanging around till early Sept and then fading a bit. I do think the future looks good.
by KCa's on Jun 30, 2008 7:29 AM PDT 0 recs
Pretty much agree with Blez on the grades.
I agree with the high grade for the front office if you’re counting the offseason trades of Haren, Swisher, Kotsay and Scutaro taken as a whole. I don’t know if it’s Beane’s best job ever and it certainly isn’t one of the great performances in the history of western civilization like Michaelangelo’s Sistine Chapel or Beethoven’s Symphony No 9 in D-minor, but Beane’s been very good as he usually has during the past 11 years. Most impressive has been its flexbility to start to emphasize speed (Davis, Weeks) and high-upside amateurs (Inoa, Hunter, Elgie, Berroa, David Thomas, Fitts, Contreras, Rosario, Duran).
Whether Blanton, Harden, Duchscherer or Street gets traded depends entirely on what’s offered, and I don’t see anyone moving until Sabathia’s situation is settled. Harden seems the most likely to move (Yankees, Braves, Cubs, Rays).
I don’t see a second half fade. The team’s Pythag is 47-34. The young starters are likely to run out of gas and Harden/Duke are liable to get hurt, but Blanton, Chavez, Street, Thomas, Buck, Barton, Gaudin and Gonzalez are likely to contribute a lot more than they have so far.
I can see Gio coming up. The following stats make him look a lot better than his ERA:
1 K/IP
2:1 K/BB
1.5 GB/FB
.21 IF/Fly
Of course he may hit an innings wall as well.
by WaddellCanseco on Jun 30, 2008 7:54 AM PDT 0 recs
I see a second half around .500
as the pitching regresses a bit (see Haren, Dan, 2nd half 2007 for an example) and the hitters improve marginally. So I predicted no wild card, trail Anaheim by 7 or 8 games at the finish, about 88 wins. Tampa Bay has too much momentum to miss the WC. Boston too seasoned to finish second in the AL East.
2009 should take the AL West, barring unforeseen career-ending injuries.
"I never predict anything, and I never will." Paul Gascoigne, English footballer
by One won lost won on
Jun 30, 2008 9:49 AM PDT
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A .500 second half puts the A's at only 84.5 wins
If they win 88 games, they will actually have had identical first and second halves.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on
Jun 30, 2008 9:51 AM PDT
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quit bothering me with arithmetic!!
sheesh!!!
Who are you going to believe? Me, or your own two eyes??!!
8^))
"I never predict anything, and I never will." Paul Gascoigne, English footballer
by One won lost won on
Jun 30, 2008 10:44 AM PDT
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underated is the kotsay deal
kotsay for devine seems like a steal, even though both are hurt. devine has great stuff..kotsay could be retired in two years. in billy we trust!
by KCB58 on
Jun 30, 2008 11:40 AM PDT
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If you're in an optimistic mood,
one thing to keep in mind is that the Angels are on pace to win 98 games so you would expect that the first half will wind up having been their better half. Starting pitcher stamina is a concern for the A’s but perhaps their diligence about pitch counts and their high number of off-days in April-June will pay dividends.
The only grade with which I would quibble is Geren’s “B”. What are the components of a manager? You could categorize the parts as:
1. Team ethos (maintaining morale, chemistry, focus)
2. Overachieving (getting the most out of your talent)
3. In-game tactitian (lineups, pitching decisions, pinch-hit/pinch-run)
It seems to me as if Geren earns a solid “A” for the first two, and given how many good choices have been unavailable to him with injuries to Harden/Duke, Casilla/Brown/Devine, Thomas/M. Sweeney, Chavez/R. Sweeney, it seems to me as if his tactician grade should actually be no lower than a B+ if not higher.
I give Geren a solid A- for his role in this team’s surprising first-half success.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jun 30, 2008 9:04 AM PDT 0 recs
Hooray for optimism!
I’m not sure he’s getting the most out of Gaudin’s talent. You could also argue that about Barton and Buck.
by WaddellCanseco on
Jun 30, 2008 9:26 AM PDT
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Well to Geren's credit
Barton and Buck have been given every chance to do their thing this year so I see no fault in his use of their talent. But on a side note if there was just some coach on the team that was responsible for the hitting, we might be able to get more out of the aforementioned two.
by A'sfaninNC on
Jun 30, 2008 2:14 PM PDT
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Say what you will about the tenets of Bob Gerenism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.
Can an aging lemur suffer from dementia? @('.')@
by monkeyball on
Jun 30, 2008 10:26 AM PDT
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what was that shit about vietnam?
"It's not my fault your team's so shitty." -Steve Friend, head coach, Chabot College, to Laney College's head coach, who asked why we scored so many runs after we beat Laney 30-3 in 2006
by flipgatey3 on
Jun 30, 2008 10:52 AM PDT
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Nice, um,
marmet, man.
Florida ain't no place for a self-respecting A's fan.
by Leopold Bloom on
Jun 30, 2008 2:00 PM PDT
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Hey Nico
I have to agree with you on this one and not Blez. In the past few years, and even last year with Geren, I found myself more often than not screaming at the TV or radio for an A’s manager not pulling a pitcher, for not sending a runner, for not hit and running, etc. This season however I found that Geren and I agree more often than not, so at least in my self-important world Geren gets an “A” as it seems he is managing very logically thus far.
"I'm seeing more and more Paul-baiting these days."
by OptimistPrime on
Jun 30, 2008 11:30 AM PDT
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If
If the A’s are out of contention by Sept. 1, is there any chance A’s brass will rest Harden & Duke, and call-up Cahill & Anderson? It might be too soon to add them to the 40-Man Roster, but if they’re ready, they’re ready… you know?
by Colorado Fan on Jun 30, 2008 10:02 AM PDT 0 recs
I believe the test for Blanton will be the 1st 2 starts after the ASB. He looks gassed,
and if the extra 3 days doesn’t help, you have to pull him from the rotation.
by theblackpearl on Jun 30, 2008 10:03 AM PDT 0 recs
Defense needs more emPHAsis: so, here's my shot at it, without benefit of metrics.
Suzuki B+: very good on pitch-blacking, and that diving grab in Seattle, oh my. But slow to throw on steals and has heard a few footsteps. Great hustle on back-ups.
Bowen Inc.: seems competent; hope he plays more in second half.
Barton: B: terrific reactions and good glove on errant throws, but those pop-ups—yeesh
Ellis A: as in automatic. Great glove, good range, some routine spectacular plays. I relax when the ball’s hit to him.
Crosby B: decent glove, suspect arm accuracy. Tries to do a lot, which is a mixed blessing sometimes—wish he’d actually stop a few more when he leaves his feet.
Hannahan B: seems more comfortable at third with better range than last year.
Chavvie Inc.: seems 3/4-step slower than quicker-than-anyone. Not surprising—hope he shakes the recovery rust.
JCOA D: a vast improvement from where he was at the start of the season.
EBrown C: decent range but too casual, seems to lack concentration, careless and suspect arm
Swooney B: began playing too deep, gets slow jump, plus arm.
R Davis A-: terrific range and good glove. Good arm, uncertain jumps.
Long Gonzalez A: great jumps, plus glove, good range and terrific arm. AZ catch a memorable highlight, and even his few misses were excellent tries.
TBuck Inc.: Good range, good arm, weird reads. I’d be real happy with a Buck/Long-Gon/Swooney OF for the next decade.
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
by The Dogfather on Jun 30, 2008 10:29 AM PDT 0 recs
err: pitch-blOcking..
Dogfather typing, generally: C-
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
by The Dogfather on
Jun 30, 2008 10:39 AM PDT
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Good analysis, Dogfather
So much so that I forgive the tiping typping typign keyboarding.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on
Jun 30, 2008 10:51 AM PDT
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Methinks Crosby's worse than previous years
by WaddellCanseco on
Jun 30, 2008 10:51 AM PDT
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I think he's just as average defensively as he's always been.
http://bocropleasestopswingingatbadpitches.blogspot.com/
by thejd44 on
Jun 30, 2008 11:14 AM PDT
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So Dogfather's typing is worse than Emil's defense?
"Dispatch knuckleheadedness with Bond-like aplomb." –74mk
by iglew on
Jun 30, 2008 2:26 PM PDT
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DFTA
He's a very personable, sweet, nice chimp. He's not going to be aggressive unless he's provoked. @('.')@
by monkeyball on
Jun 30, 2008 2:27 PM PDT
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yse, it si.
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
by The Dogfather on
Jun 30, 2008 3:41 PM PDT
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for the love of Ba'al, no!
Not even nicknames using “Long” in the OF again, please.
Can an aging lemur suffer from dementia? @('.')@
by monkeyball on
Jun 30, 2008 10:55 AM PDT
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Aw, c'mon -- Terrence is so FarGone that he didn't even register.
I like LongGon a lot better than “CarGon,” and “Patrol Craft” is at the wall—and may be looking up…
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
by The Dogfather on
Jun 30, 2008 12:02 PM PDT
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Woohoozuki will never have the acute hearing of Ramon
Can an aging lemur suffer from dementia? @('.')@
by monkeyball on
Jun 30, 2008 10:55 AM PDT
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Off topic
but the A’s are set to sign Inoa for a bonus of $4.25 million. I give the front office credit for jumping in front of everybody else to sign him.
by NateHST on Jun 30, 2008 10:52 AM PDT 0 recs
Yeah, see the sidebar on the right
Last of the Ninth - Photography Site
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by Flashfire on
Jun 30, 2008 12:11 PM PDT
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I agree with almost everything
except the Huston Street analysis. I can’t see how he is a disappointment in any way, except for the fact that his spectacularly crappy offense either fails to give him the save op at all, or scores exactly one run in the eighth to go ahead 4 runs and take the op away from him.
Sure, he only has 15 saves, but he had only had 18 opportunities, and minus game one in Japan, the only saves he has blown were very recently, while he was obvioiusly fighting through a groin injury. His high ERA (4.00) is because of the two blown saves recently and the junk innings he’s pitched.
I don’t get the Street hate, at all. We could do a lot worse, and I’m not sure what else Huston could have done to earned praise? Maybe saved all 18 or 18 chances? He’s saved 15 of them. After the first game of the year to the beginning of last week, he was awesome, and has been fighting a recent injury, which explains some of it. We could have a worse closer.
So, bring on Bonds! Or, not... then, bring back Langerhans!! -One won lost one
by baseballgirl on Jun 30, 2008 11:02 AM PDT 0 recs
right on baseballgirl
I think the complaints about street are mostly of the “he’s not Rivera or Papelbon” type.
Well, the A’s are not going to get them. What they do have is a very good – not great – closer who’s young and, if he stays healthy, will get better.
Imagine this team with a very good – not great – offense. Best team in baseball, right?
Until they become a big budget team, you’re not likely to see better than Street at the back of the bullpen. Huston is NOT the problem.
It's tough when your kid's favorite ballplayer is David Ortiz
by eastcoasta'sfan on
Jun 30, 2008 11:14 AM PDT
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I agree with you on Street
He is not the best but he is not the problem.
Having on average 4 guys in the line-up hitting below .240 is
by Yellowhorse on
Jun 30, 2008 11:29 AM PDT
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I'm going to have to drop Geren to about a C grade
After he called out players for striking out, without actually calling them out.
Either man up and name names, or STFU.
by mikev on Jun 30, 2008 11:08 AM PDT 0 recs
If I were Beane, Geren would be fired immediately for that comment
Because it shows he doesn’t understand how guys like Cust are effective and productive major league players. If any team needs a manager to not say some stupid shit Dusty Baker would say, it’s this team. Geren, I just dropped your grade to F-minus-minus-minus-get away from my favorite team forever.
http://bocropleasestopswingingatbadpitches.blogspot.com/
by thejd44 on
Jun 30, 2008 11:11 AM PDT
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No wonder Geren's always positive
One critical comment and everyone wants his head…
"We've come a long way, and I'm not talking about Virginia Slims, either." - Art Howe
by EastCoastA on
Jun 30, 2008 11:17 AM PDT
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If it's a legitimate critical comment, I'd be fine with it.
Something like, “Kurt Suzuki needs to work on blocking the plate” or “Crosby needs to concentrate more when he makes his throws” would be perfectly acceptable.
Saying “You should put the ball in play instead of striking out” is stupid.
by mikev on
Jun 30, 2008 11:22 AM PDT
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He's referring to guys like Barton taking
called third strikes, on pitches that get a lot of the strike zone, with runners in scoring position, and he’s right. Believe it or not, there is a time to adjust in order to make more contact without sacrificing everything that got you to the major leagues.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on
Jun 30, 2008 11:31 AM PDT
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I agree re: Barton.
He’s just not aggressive enough, and he doesn’t do enough with the pitches he DOES swing at.
Cust needs to be left the hell alone, though. If he doesn’t swing, it was probably a ball (or a nasty breaking ball in the zone)
by mikev on
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mikev, one thing I'd add about Cust
is that I think the other teams have the following book on him: When the count is 3-2 (which it often gets to with Cust), you just need to throw a breaking pitch for a strike to get him.
It looked like Sanchez threw a “get me over” strike yesterday knowing that Cust’s approach on 3-2 is,”sit dead red and hope the guy can’t throw a breaking pitch for a strike.” Trouble is, at this level they can. It’s one thing to take a crackling slider on the black in a fastball count, but it’s another thing to take a “get-me-over” curve lopped over the heart of the plate.
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by Nico on
Jun 30, 2008 12:44 PM PDT
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I would agree - Cust's nemesis seems to be breaking stuff in the zone.
That, however, is something that he would be much more likely to make an adjustment on.
"Get better at hitting breaking pitches in the zone" is fairly black and white. It's something that's easier to work on and point out.
“Put the ball in play instead of striking out” isn’t quite the same.
by mikev on
Jun 30, 2008 1:19 PM PDT
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Erm... Dunno what's up with that blockquote thingy. I didn't do it.
by mikev on
Jun 30, 2008 1:19 PM PDT
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Yeah, it just doesn't work right, whatever it is.
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by Flashfire on
Jun 30, 2008 1:25 PM PDT
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true, geren is taking about situational hitting
the a’s have done a decent job in stretchs, this year, but you need contact first and third with (1st and 3rd innings saturday) no out, mr. cust. you need contact 1 out in the ninth man on second in a 1-0 game, mr. barton. strikeout swingingthat means at least you were trying to drive in a run. trying to draw a walk with men on doesnt get them home too often… it just leaves it up to another medicore hitter
by KCB58 on
Jun 30, 2008 11:56 AM PDT
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A's team batting average: .249, A's team batting average w/ RISP: .280
by mikev on
Jun 30, 2008 1:22 PM PDT
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I wish I could find what it is...
...for June or even the past week or so, but MLB.com’s stat sorters don’t show it. It’s gone down since the early part of the season, though. I’m sure of that.
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by Flashfire on
Jun 30, 2008 1:30 PM PDT
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I'm sure it has, they were up over .300 with RISP for the first month.
by mikev on
Jun 30, 2008 1:37 PM PDT
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That's about what I remembered seeing, yeah.
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by Flashfire on
Jun 30, 2008 1:39 PM PDT
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It is totally legit
Leaving Cust aside—just watch Barton hit. Or rather watch Barton watch. Given the results lately, I’d say it might be advisable for a couple of the boys to follow their skipper’s advice.
by windyfelix on
Jun 30, 2008 1:14 PM PDT
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When you are up TWICE in a game and strike out with runners on 1st and 3rd, the manager
has every right to be pissed. You are saying that if Cust adjusts his swing once a game, to just make contact, he won’t be a productive major leaguer. That is why you are here on a blog, not managing or coaching. That is absurd. Damn near everyone on AN, says the A’s srike out too much, and now Geren is telling it to the team. I am sure he said it in a meeting before he said it to the media, but if he didn’t that would be the only problem I had with it.
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Jun 30, 2008 11:23 AM PDT
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