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A's Land Inoa

The agent for Michel Inoa, the top Dominican Republic pitching prospect of the last decade, has told other clubs not to bother when the July 2 international signing period opens Wednesday.

That ship has sailed.

According to industry sources, Inoa, represented by Adam Katz of WMG, has agreed to terms with the A's for a $4.25 million signing bonus. Other clubs pursuing Inoa, including the Rangers, Reds and Yankees, were told this weekend that the deal was done, and that A's general manager Billy Beane would announce the signing this week.

 

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/international-affairs/2008/266411.html

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mid 90's

mid 90’s at 16! this kid is going to be fun to watch!

by dawg24 on Jun 29, 2008 8:18 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Or he'll turn out to be 27.

Or his arm will fall off.

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by Ozzz on Jun 30, 2008 8:30 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Some great news on a not so great baseball day

"Mount it? I already did. Oh! You meant on the wall?!!

by rickey939 on Jun 29, 2008 8:21 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Michel Inoa

Our Savior! Maybe he can replace Blanton in the 2008 Rotation!!!! j/k

by Colorado Fan on Jun 29, 2008 8:26 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If I'm figuring right,

that means we’ll need to put him on the roster when he’s 21, or he’ll get poached in the rule 5 draft like Johan.

Then again, maybe we’ll want to start him at 19, like Felix.

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by iglew on Jun 29, 2008 8:29 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There's some possibility

that he is actually older than 16… though I suppose that’s a risk you take with all Dominican prospects.

I’m not actually convinced that this is a bad thing, however. It may mean his fastball is a little less projectable, but the decreased injury risk would seem to outweigh that.

In any event: the team will have to put him on the 40-man roster at the end of the 2012 season, when he is “20.” He will then have 3 or 4 option years (whether he has 3 or 4 is complicated). The earliest the A’s could be faced with a “do or die” decision on him is 2015, which is a hell of a long time away.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Jun 29, 2008 8:42 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, if he grows another 8 inches

maybe they can trade him to the Warriors. Apparently they prefer upside to basketball skills…

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Jun 29, 2008 11:05 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

At least they have upside ...

They could have drafted Todd Fuller, or another unathletic 7 foot white guy …

"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback

by devo on Jul 1, 2008 1:37 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Great News.

He could very well be our Felix.

When will then be now? Soon.

by Syphon on Jun 29, 2008 8:51 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I guess Braden is our Oscar?

A little plumbing! Got to plumb! Plumb the depths! The depths of hell! - Larry David, CYE

by Swooney's Left Foot on Jun 29, 2008 8:58 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Andre 3000's rockin' that retro jersey!

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by Gaijin_Suketto on Jun 30, 2008 12:24 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Here:
It is the richest deal ever for an international amateur who is not from Cuba, eclipsing both the $2.44 million paid to Willy Mo Pena as part of his major league contract back in 1999, and the straight $2.25 million bonus paid by the Dodgers to Joel Guzman in 2001. In fact, the only pitcher who previously ranked among the top 10 bonuses in Latin American history was righthander Ricardo Aramboles, who got $1.52 million back in 1998 from the Yankees.

...don’t get ahead of yourself, Ace…

by oc on Jun 29, 2008 9:04 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Past failures by other teams

are not indicative of future of our.

When will then be now? Soon.

by Syphon on Jun 29, 2008 9:19 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's true

When we fail, it’s usually in unprecedented ways (and generally involving baserunning in between 3rd and home).

A little plumbing! Got to plumb! Plumb the depths! The depths of hell! - Larry David, CYE

by Swooney's Left Foot on Jun 29, 2008 9:22 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hahaha

So sad but true.

When will then be now? Soon.

by Syphon on Jun 29, 2008 9:26 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ariel Prieto instead of Todd Helton?

That kind of failure??

"I never predict anything, and I never will." Paul Gascoigne, English footballer

by One won lost won on Jun 30, 2008 9:54 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You just

made my head hurt. Thanks.

Florida ain't no place for a self-respecting A's fan.

by Leopold Bloom on Jun 30, 2008 10:58 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OMG

I’m amazed we outbid anyone, much less the whole league.

by Mark Borgschulte on Jun 29, 2008 9:12 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not sure if this is a good signing, but

I’m quite glad that they’re showing a willingness to spend money in latin america.

The A's colors are green and gold.

by mikeA on Jun 29, 2008 9:14 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

fixed
>glad that they’re showing a willingness to spend money

facepalm.jpg

by Zonis on Jun 29, 2008 9:15 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No

The A's colors are green and gold.

by mikeA on Jun 29, 2008 9:18 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agree 100%

I’m much more excited about the A’s being so aggressive in the Dominican than about Inoa himself, since I haven’t seen him pitch and all.

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by EastCoastA on Jun 29, 2008 10:08 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It beats the Dye contract for $11.7 million in 2003

and getting very few games (65 games) with a sub-mediocre performance (OPS+ of 38!)

"I never predict anything, and I never will." Paul Gascoigne, English footballer

by One won lost won on Jun 30, 2008 10:00 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hurray?

Procrastinators unite....tomorrow

by muffinpryde on Jun 29, 2008 9:20 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is a most bewildering decision

I dont mind spending the money, but on a 16 year old pitcher? Who is 6’7? That seems the very definition of risky. I think this is going to be one of those things that we all laugh about one day. Like Ariel Prieto.

Sigh

by mikedaviswhereareyou on Jun 29, 2008 10:42 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wouldn't it make our collection complete?

Whoops…sorry, wrong Ariel.

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by oblique on Jun 29, 2008 10:43 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Little Mermaid is hot

AmIRightGuys? Guys…

A little plumbing! Got to plumb! Plumb the depths! The depths of hell! - Larry David, CYE

by Swooney's Left Foot on Jun 29, 2008 10:46 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good point. Why is Inoa a better deal at $4.25 MM than Porcello for $7 MM?

Is it that Inoa is a better prospect or that Porcello cost $3 MM more? Saying “it’s a bit of both is a cop-out.”

by WaddellCanseco on Jun 30, 2008 7:11 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Didn't Porcello sign a major league deal?

I believe he signed and was put directly onto the 40 man roster.

IMO, that makes a HUGE difference.

by mikev on Jun 30, 2008 7:44 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes, which means he gets four options. He'd have to stick by 2012.

Are you saying Inoa and Porcello are roughly equal in upside? That would be awesome, because Porcello was basically the highest rated amateur pitching prospect in about 20 years, wasn’t he?

by WaddellCanseco on Jun 30, 2008 8:02 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't know - I have nothing on Inoa other than the articles posted here previously

Wasn’t the consensus that he’d pretty much have been the #1 overall pick in the draft this year if he was eligible?

by mikev on Jun 30, 2008 8:28 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"He's a once-in-a-decade type pitcher," said one international scout.

That was from http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/international-affairs/2008/266380.html

According to “one insider”, Inoa has superior body control [than Dellin Betances], command, and third pitch with an overall more polished package, and obviously is two years younger. He could very well be Rick Porcello in two years and that would seem to make $4 million a bargain. From http://www.saberscouting.com/2008/06/26/michelinoareport/

“Inoa, Rodriguez, Yorman and Portillo would [challenge] the first selection if they were eligible for the American draft this year; I have no doubt about that,” said a top AL executive. From http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3433834

by WaddellCanseco on Jun 30, 2008 8:52 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nobody's mentioned the real reason why Inoa > Porcello

Opportunity cost.

If you take Porcello, you don’t get James Simmons. If you sign Inoa, you’re still free to get Simmons with your draft pick.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Jun 30, 2008 8:58 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think he's saying that

Simmons + Inoa > Porcello.

If the A’s had drafted and signed Porcello, they wouldn’t have gotten Simmons.

Inoa is not the same as a risky high school draft pick because signing did not require a pick, only money.

ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524

by rfloh on Jun 30, 2008 9:21 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It doesn't.

That is a different question from the Porcello or Inoa question.

ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524

by rfloh on Jun 30, 2008 10:05 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

$$$$$$$$

Not saying it would necessarily preclude it—but that would certainly be a huge issue.

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by devo on Jul 1, 2008 1:40 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Right

I’m not sure whether Simmons+Inoa > Porcello+Inoa. Right now it looks like it might be, but the jury will be out on that case for at least another 5 years.

Think of it this way: Simmons+Porcello

Now subtract Simmons from both sides of that inequality, and you’re left with Porcello

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by PaulThomas on Jun 30, 2008 9:28 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

(&(&(* formatting

Simmons+Porcello (less than) Simmons+Inoa, because Simmons+Porcello is impossible. You can’t have both.

Now subtract Simmons from both sides of that inequality, and you get Porcello (less than) Inoa.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Jun 30, 2008 9:29 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think he's a better choice of scarce resources than Porcello

I’m not qualified to evaluate him as a player vis a vis Porcello.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Jun 30, 2008 9:44 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Isn't how good a player he is vs Porcello

the key determinant as to who is a better choice of scarce resources?

Anyway, the real choice is Simmons + Inoa for $5.4M or Inoa + Porcello for $12 M.

I’ve no idea which is the better move.

by WaddellCanseco on Jun 30, 2008 10:03 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

IMO, Inoa + Porcello

If the only factor is money, you have to go with the higher ceiling guys.

That’s not a knock on Simmons whatsoever, btw.

by mikev on Jun 30, 2008 10:06 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The point, is that

the scarce resources aren’t limited to money. The draft pick is even scarcer.

You can’t compare the $7M for Porcello with the $4.5M for Inoa. You need to include Simmons too. If the A’s had gotten Porcello, there’s no Simmons.

ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524

by rfloh on Jun 30, 2008 10:13 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm with you on this

It’s hard to believe the Moneyball team, who thinks taking high school arms as high draft picks is a terrible practice, would spend $4.25 mil on a 16 year old pitcher. He better have flawless mechanics, or they are asking for injuries and disappointment.

by Philip Christy on Jun 29, 2008 11:11 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You may have noticed the high school draftee

who is (or was as of a couple of days ago) leading the minors in strikeouts, name of Trevor Cahill. Turns out he was drafted by the A’s.

Times have changed. This isn’t 2002 anymore, and teams are taking a lot more college players in the draft.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Jun 30, 2008 1:36 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes, but

they took Cahill in the second round, for (I assume) much less money than they will apparently give Inoa. My point being, Inoa is even less polished, has more chance of breaking down (I would think, because he’s younger), and yet they are paying him more.

It just seems like a real big risk, the kind the A’s never take because they can’t afford to.

by Philip Christy on Jun 30, 2008 6:19 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

When you cut 30mil

outta your payroll and can take a 4mil dollar gamble. Win/Win

When will then be now? Soon.

by Syphon on Jun 30, 2008 6:47 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How is this a real big risk?

It’s $4 million. It’s far less of a risk than they took signing Crosby and Harden to their contracts. Both of those deals have gone about as badly as possible, and they still weren’t bad investments. $4 million is peanuts.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Jun 30, 2008 8:07 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Inoa

isn’t really comparable to a high school pitcher because of the fact that he isn’t going to cost the A’s a draft pick. The $4M the A’s are giving him is less than the $7M they gave Piazza last year. $4M to Inoa is better risk than $1.5M to Emil Brown.

The danger in taking high school pitchers isn’t really the money. It is the loss of the draft pick, which could have been used on other players.

ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524

by rfloh on Jul 1, 2008 7:31 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A guess

I think there may be a few things going on.

First, Oakland is still not wasting a First Round pick on a high school pitcher. I suspect this has more to do with the value of that pick and less to do with the money paid to that pick.

Second, they have picked up a lot of high school arms later in recent drafts. I expect a few things drive that. If you get enough arms at least one of them will pan out. There may be a thought in the organization that they can develop young pitchers better than college baseball. There is not the pressing need to get drafted talent into the majors ASAP anymore.

Third, related to #1. Money is less scarce than draft picks. So, spending money to get the equivalent of a first round draft pick may be a good idea.

by Donner on Jun 30, 2008 9:17 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The point is this:

They draft a high schooler who flames out —-> they also lost any opportunity of the player-they-would’ve-picked had they not picked the high schooler.

They sign a 16 year old Phenom from the DR who flames out t-—> they lose the money they paid him/still have that draft pick they used on a college guy.

witty remark

by dtownmbrown on Jul 1, 2008 7:00 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My question is

how did we outbid the Yankees? I thought free agent signings were out of the realm of possibility when it came against the Yanks. Obviously with Beane’s track record and his infatuation with this kid, why didn’t the Hitler Jr, I mean Steinbrenner, jump in and up the ante another million?

by petitceebee on Jun 29, 2008 10:51 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

According to BA, the Yankees were pissed

that they thought they had an agreement with him, but then he broke it when he signed with a new agent who then upped his asking price. So they told him to go jump in the lake and pulled out.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Jun 29, 2008 11:03 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jumped in a lake and pulled out

That’s how my first child was conceived.

A little plumbing! Got to plumb! Plumb the depths! The depths of hell! - Larry David, CYE

by Swooney's Left Foot on Jun 29, 2008 11:07 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LOL -- good swimmer?

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by The Dogfather on Jun 30, 2008 11:26 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My boys can swim, baby!

A little plumbing! Got to plumb! Plumb the depths! The depths of hell! - Larry David, CYE

by Swooney's Left Foot on Jun 30, 2008 11:49 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow.

Since when did the Yankees become so ethically driven? If this kid is everything he’s supposed to be (I read somewhere that he is a a ONCE IN A LIFETIME talent) then shouldn’t the Wanks just turn the cheek and fork out the cash?

by petitceebee on Jun 29, 2008 11:15 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

reality check

every prospect is a once in a lifetime talent. doesn’t mean they’re guaranteed to be better in the MLB than Todd VanPoppel

by nevermoor on Jun 30, 2008 6:14 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No.

Hank has more ego than daddy.

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by Ozzz on Jun 30, 2008 8:38 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't see the downside here

We plopped down 4.25 million to control a “once-in-a-generation” type talent.

If he flames out, we lost all of 4.25 million in a season where we’re the 28th highest payroll in the league and Emil Brown makes like 1.8 million.

There just isn’t downside with this. It exists only in the form of money, and a considerably unimportant amount at that.

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by walk off bunt on Jun 29, 2008 11:47 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's what I was thinking

unsure about this one

Green Hulk Fists

by oaklandSMASH on Jun 30, 2008 12:10 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Surprised

It’s so un-A’s like. But people like me complain about the team’s unwillingness to try for high-risk, high-reward players. This will shut me up for a while.

by bear88 on Jun 30, 2008 12:28 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

GREAT signing

I don’t see any downside to this, either

If anything, it shows a new dedication to Latin baseball, which is a GREAT thing

From all reports, if Inoa is really a “once in a generation” talent, what’s there to lose? $4.25 million?

His upside, and the upside of a renewed commitment to Latin baseball, are huge pluses

He has great size, which to me sounds A LOT better than signing a 5’7”, 160 pound flamethrower. SOUNDS less injury prone, but who knows how true that holds.


1. Michel Inoa, RHP, Dominican Republic
There has certainly been much said about Inoa in recent weeks, so I’ll stick to reporting what I’ve heard rather that what you can already read there. Inoa is 6′7 and an athletic 205 pound right-handed pitcher whose fastball has been as high as 96, but sits in the 91-93 range presently.

He is especially noted for his outstanding frame: he’s already enormous for a 16 year old, but has plenty of remaining projection, amazing body control, and mechanics that translate into borderline unbelievable command for his age and size. Most 6′7 teenage pitchers (there aren’t that many to begin with) are gangly, all arms and legs, raw, lack command and body control, and generally just a long way from being a finished product. One source termed Inoa frame as, "a basketball body with some definition—he’s still skinny—but he’s projectable and has basketball athleticism."

These qualities have some projecting him to hit 100 in a few years, and that isn’t too far-fetched considering the fact that he’s had little to no high-level coaching. Inoa’s mechanics are clean and the ball "comes out of his hand shockingly easy," according to another source. Inoa comes from an athletic family, has a clean and fluid arm action, and earns high marks for his makeup and work ethic.

Inoa has advanced feel a curveball that already flashes above-average and most project for plus, along with a splitter than one insider called "dirty." He’s been called a , "once in a decade talent," by more than a few. The first source said that elements of Inoa remind him of Dellin Betances as a high school prospect, with the big projectable frame, lack of high-level instruction, easy velocity, and feel for a potential plus curveball, but then points out the differences that make Betances a $1 million bonus 18 year old and figure to make Inoa a $4 million plus bonus player at 16 years old.

Inoa has superior body control, command, and third pitch with an overall more polished package, and obviously is two years younger. He could very well be Rick Porcello in two years and that would seem to make $4 million a bargain. I’ll get into more detail about the logic and risk of amateur bonuses and Latin versus draft spending an article after the Latin scouting reports

FROM: http://www.saberscouting.com/2008/06/26/michelinoareport/

Personally, I’m GIDDY

by BillMoresi on Jun 30, 2008 12:28 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The team spends money to acquire

a phenomenal talent and people complain. Its just money, which we saved 30mil or so from this year. No better way to spend it then on the draft and international free agents. This is win/win. All A’s fan should be very very happy we signed him.

When will then be now? Soon.

by Syphon on Jun 30, 2008 12:34 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agree with this thinking

The Athletics (not “we”) saved $30million in salary costs, and are below average in salary expenditure, so this is a perfect shift of expense to a future asset.

"I never predict anything, and I never will." Paul Gascoigne, English footballer

by One won lost won on Jun 30, 2008 10:11 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

HOW EXCITING!!

i don’t know anything about inoa but it’s great to see the A’s go after somebody that is suppose to be a once-in-a-generation type talent!

this kid must be really special if billy beane is pushing this hard to get him!

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by gotgreen on Jun 30, 2008 12:45 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Picture

I’d like to find a picture of him next to other people, so as to get a better idea of how big he is.

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by iglew on Jun 30, 2008 12:46 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They say 6-7

When will then be now? Soon.

by Syphon on Jun 30, 2008 12:50 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Let's hope so...we don't want the Beasley affect, lol. They say 6-7 and when it comes down to

it he’s like 6-3, hehe!!!

oAkLaNd AtHlEtIcS!!
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by LiZaRdReVoLuTiOn on Jun 30, 2008 8:15 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Beasley affect
sorry misspelled it’s effect! lol It’s early people!

oAkLaNd AtHlEtIcS!!
It's only Spring Clean for the May Queen. Call the Gardener!

by LiZaRdReVoLuTiOn on Jun 30, 2008 8:16 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Like Russell Cross, guy the Warriors drafted number one in 1983

he came in about four inches shorter (!!! like 6’6” instead of 6’10”!!)

"I never predict anything, and I never will." Paul Gascoigne, English footballer

by One won lost won on Jun 30, 2008 10:15 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Man Crush Alert -

I got it bad.

BRING HIM UP NOW! PUT HIM IN THE ROTATION IN BLANTON’S SPOT! DFA EMIL BROWN!! KILL A CHICKEN!!!

Sorry.

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by Nico on Jun 30, 2008 12:55 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Goin' all madmongoose on us!

arentcha nico? :)

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by OptimistPrime on Jun 30, 2008 12:57 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't like to get into these things, but

I am not he.

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by Nico on Jun 30, 2008 12:59 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I saw someone say DFA Brown

I don’t really know the context, but I couldn’t agree more

by nevermoor on Jun 30, 2008 1:36 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

-Cindi

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by JediLeroy on Jun 30, 2008 2:24 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I believe killing chickens is Pedro and Juan's department.

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by The Dogfather on Jun 30, 2008 2:01 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That baseball looks pret-ty small.

Besides, at 6-4, Billy oughtta be able to judge 6-7.

The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on Jun 30, 2008 11:35 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's actually a bowling ball

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by JediLeroy on Jun 30, 2008 12:35 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

definitely looks like a teenager too...

unlike greg oden, for example

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by blueconversechucks on Jul 1, 2008 5:22 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i find this story incredibly interesting.

when was the last time the A’s were in the same conversation regarding money with the Yankees and Red Sox? i find it mind-boggling.

I see this as an extension of what PT pointed out above- our movement towards mixing in more high risk/reward players at the bottom. but still, this one sets the bar WAY higher than it’s ever been before.

i like this new philosophy. I dont mind the A’s saving some money by passing up on (trading etc.) free agents when I see them put more money into the talent base. Keeping aging free agents is a risk too, albeit a significantly smaller risk than a 16 year old, but a free agent contract these days still dwarfs the $4m this guy is getting.

by oakinboston on Jun 30, 2008 6:14 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I do like the move

I think a lot of this is about picking and choosing where you spend your money.

Over most of the past decade the A’s have been known for having excellent pitching and a strong minor league system. They got a little thin down on the farm in recent years but the Swisher and Haren trades immediately helped them replenish much of the talent they’d either called up or traded.

When you look at the way posting works for players from Japan, there is a major difference in the amount of money spent just to try to bring someone in. Teams like the A’s can’t really make a run at those players because of that, plus the Japanese League is at a more professional level than a player like Inoa, who’s still just a kid. At one time this is what the A’s did. Instead of signing one or two players for big bucks, they took that money and spent it in the Dominican Republic and surrounding areas, signing a number of players instead. Some of them would pan out, some not.

With Inoa, nobody can really say what he’ll end up being yet. There’s a lot of hype with all this once-in-a-generation stuff, but I can say one thing: I’m glad to see the A’s are the ones taking a shot at him. This ought to be interesting.

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by Flashfire on Jun 30, 2008 7:04 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My guess there is it'll be more Yabu types than...

...Ichiros, Matsuis and Matsuzakas.

They can’t afford to play the posting game for the high-priced talent, but they can get in the mix for a more marginal one.

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by Flashfire on Jun 30, 2008 7:44 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh hell no

His posting fee will finance the entire Fighters team for two years running…

No, the A’s best angle on the Far East is in the less developed countries. Korea, Taiwan and especially, if the international relations angle works out, China.

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by PaulThomas on Jun 30, 2008 8:14 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

China?

If you want to try for an area with a large population, you’re much better off going after the Indian subcontinent.

At least cricket is somewhat similar to baseball, unlike soccer or badminton.

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by rfloh on Jun 30, 2008 8:47 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think the cricket -> baseball angle has been tried before

and found to be basically non-helpful…

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by PaulThomas on Jun 30, 2008 8:59 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Really, when has it been tried? Not being snarky here.

As in an actual serious youth development program?

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by rfloh on Jun 30, 2008 9:06 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No, more like signing cricket players and hoping the skills would translate

I think youth development will work anywhere, though… I mean, half the kids in the Dominican academies have never played a legit game of baseball in their lives when they turn up.

India is an intriguing option though, particularly because (uniquely in East Asia) a lot of people have conversational English skills.

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by PaulThomas on Jun 30, 2008 9:37 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not uniquely

A lot of people have conversational English skills in the Philippines as well. (Pakistan, too, but maybe you don’t count that as “East Asia”.)

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by iglew on Jun 30, 2008 9:57 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If Pakistan is not East Asia,

then neither is India.

Also, Malaysia and Singapore are former British colonies. Pretty much everyone from those 2 countries can speak English decently.

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by rfloh on Jun 30, 2008 10:00 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You have to draw the line

between “Middle East” and “East Asia” somewhere. To draw it between Pakistan and India is one plausible option.

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by iglew on Jun 30, 2008 10:04 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There's also Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Nepal and Myanmar.

I believe the conventional border for East Asia vs South Asia is between Myanmar and Bangladesh (ASEAN vs SAARC). The conventional border between South Asia and Middle East or West Asia is between Pakistan and Afghanistan/Iran (Khyber Pass). To the extent that some regional corporate HQs are run out of Dubai, both India and Pakistan fall under a larger Middle East/South Asia region. I’ve never heard of multinational company, trade grouping or NGO splitting India and Pakistan into East Asia and Middle East. Do you know of any?

by WaddellCanseco on Jun 30, 2008 10:13 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bill James

has statistically demonstrated that Myanmar is overscouted in comparison to Sri Lanka, so let’s have no more of these specious comparisons!

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by Hot Cup Joe on Jun 30, 2008 12:20 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No wonder the A's always lead the league

in “leg before wicket” violations. :-(

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by Nico on Jun 30, 2008 12:58 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe they can't

but you can for knowing that

by nevermoor on Jun 30, 2008 1:37 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I will defend to the death my right,

nay the right of any man, woman and child—to know basic cricket rules!

by WaddellCanseco on Jun 30, 2008 1:44 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

/me stands at silly mid-on

Ooh, my element. I’ll just climb on in.

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by Ozzz on Jun 30, 2008 8:43 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I can't imagine any reasonable (though still arbitrary) line being drawn

anywhere other than one side or the other of Iran.

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by devo on Jul 1, 2008 1:53 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

how can you keep that ZIPS?

on Milledge, rfloh? His disabled list situation in 2008 is just the beginning of the end, IMO.

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by One won lost won on Jun 30, 2008 10:38 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sure a couple months of suckiness

is indeed a concern. It’s still only a couple months.

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by rfloh on Jun 30, 2008 11:25 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It was a poor choice of words on my part, actually

What I meant was “everything east of Central Asia/Iran,” but that’s not the same as “East Asia” (generally defined as China, Taiwan, Korea, and Japan). Really, the area I’m talking about includes East Asia, South Asia and (natch) Southeast Asia.

I’m surprised baseball never really caught on in the Phillippines. There must be some interesting socio-cultural explanation for it, but I’m not aware of it.

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by PaulThomas on Jun 30, 2008 11:29 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Probably, basketball happened

AFAIK, it is the American sport of choice in the Phillippines, and also China.

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by rfloh on Jun 30, 2008 12:11 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I've often wondered why baseball catches on

in some countries but not in others.

In South America, for example, why in the Caribbean nations but nowhere else on the continent? We see lots of players from Venezuela but none that I can think of from Brazil, Argentina or Peru(which are all soccer countries). Even within Colombia, all the baseball players are from the coastal region in the north and few if any from anywhere else in the country.

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by iglew on Jun 30, 2008 12:59 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, that one's easy... they're all playing soccer

The non-Caribbean South American countries have traditionally looked toward Europe rather than the United States, and were never occupied by US troops evangelizing baseball to their shores (unlike the Phillippines). And related to this is international rivalry in the continent—you can probably blame the Argentines (always the most Euro-friendly nation in the Western Hemisphere), but it’s not a coincidence that the Soccer War took place in South America. If you grow up wanting to beat Argentina, or Peru, or Brazil, you’ll play soccer.

Soccer is the most popular game by such a huge margin that it usually makes more sense to ask “why not soccer” for the countries where it ISN’T the most popular than the other way around. Sometimes it’s obvious (Canada and Scandinavia play hockey instead because it’s so bloody cold there) and sometimes it’s historical (US dominance of the Caribbean plus baseball being a US sport) and sometimes it’s biological (Lithuanians are tall). And sometimes it’s a more complicated question.

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by PaulThomas on Jun 30, 2008 1:19 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's hugely popular in Japan too

but in each of those countries, it occupies the place that, say, baseball or basketball does in the US. Popular, but clearly second tier.

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by PaulThomas on Jun 30, 2008 1:57 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

not such a huge margin anymore

Basketball is gaining ground pretty quickly.

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by Cutthemullet on Jul 1, 2008 2:50 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I should have been clearer then

I don’t mean signing a cricket player and hoping that he can become a baseball player without much trouble.

I mean that someone who plays cricket seriously might have a better chance of becoming a baseball player than someone who plays badminton or soccer.

The general physical skills are at least more similar

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by rfloh on Jun 30, 2008 10:03 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I would think badminton skills have some overlap

with skills for infield defense. Particularly the footwork.

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by iglew on Jun 30, 2008 10:07 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well, we know on expert witness testimony that badminton won't help you ...

... ground into a ton of double plays and get outhit by Neifi Perez.

Can an aging lemur suffer from dementia? @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jun 30, 2008 10:30 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I played a lot of badminton when I was a kid

playing badminton didn’t help my footwork at all. I’m a kludz, footwork wise.

My personal anecdote aside, The footwork involved in badminton isn’t really all that complicated. Not compared to boxing, ballet, dancing fencing. Playing badminton is likely to improve footwork, compared to sitting on your ass playing video games, but I’m not convinced that playing badminton will improve baseball footwork, more than playing baseball itself.

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by rfloh on Jun 30, 2008 11:30 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

In all reality...

...if you can catch a cricket ball bare-handed when it’s been smashed at you from twenty feet away, you can damn sure take a grounded at second base with a big fat glove.

And if you can throw that ball so it hits the stumps, from side on, you can certainly hit first base.

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by Ozzz on Jun 30, 2008 8:44 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You are correct

flat bat, smaller ball… makes all the difference. Also, you basically get one AB per “match”. Psychologically different.

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by One won lost won on Jun 30, 2008 10:40 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Add to this the Miggy dividend

Miguel Tejada was courted by the A’s when he was very young (well, sorta young, since he was two years older, we find out!) The Oakland Athletics can point to (1) the way Miguel found eventual success, starting as a young Dominican, with the A’s, and (2) how well the Athletics coaching staff turns most good raw pitchers into good ML pitchers, as evidenced by the team ERA.

Is Juan Maricial (sp) still on the A’s scouting staff in the Dominican? He would give us a good link to the “Miguel endorsement” as well as the authority of a top ML pitcher of the past, who is a Dominican.

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by One won lost won on Jun 30, 2008 10:23 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

To all who were skeptical that the payroll savings would be reinvested into the draft

and international signings because “they’ve never done that before”, what more would it take to satisfy you? So far we have:

Michel Inoa
Rashun Dixon
David Thomas

A bunch of high-upside draftees—Hunter, Berroa, Elgie, Warren

by WaddellCanseco on Jun 30, 2008 7:19 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yankees' writer and fans feel jilted over Inoa signing

http://mvn.com/milb-yankees/2008/06/29/shady-dealings-in-the-inoa-sweepstakes/

It’s really difficult to have any sympathy for the Bronx Bombers. To me this is a triumph of the Green n’ Gold over the Evil Empire.

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by athleticsBB4life on Jun 30, 2008 7:59 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We have Inoa and the Yankees are sad?

Life is good.

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by Nico on Jun 30, 2008 1:00 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Looking around... digging through piles of clutter...

Ah, here’s my very tiny violin.

I will now play a tune of sorrow for the Yankees’ failure to sign Inoa.

[tunes violin, starts playing “Michelle” by the Beatles]

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by PaulThomas on Jun 30, 2008 9:05 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's disgusting

How they’re all passing judgment on the kid.

“You’re right Eric, everyone would be fuming if it was the Yankees on the other end. I’m mad too, but more disappointed that Inoa did business the way he did.”

“While I am fully supportive of players trying to get as much money as they can, backing out of an agreement is highly unethical.”

With all due respect, please kindly shove it.

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by walk off bunt on Jun 30, 2008 9:55 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pot, meet kettle

Yankees fans upset because someone went for the bigger money. Now that’s funny.

There is no meta in "team."

by TomB on Jun 30, 2008 8:02 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"Critics. Don't even ignore them"

quote from Samuel Goldwyn, in the 1930s about movie critics.

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by One won lost won on Jun 30, 2008 10:34 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Awesome, awesome news

We’ll see how Inoa pans out, because any one prospect, especially a young pitcher, can break the heart of those who become too attached to him.

This move, however, and the increasing willingness in general for the A’s to mix in some higher upside prospects, bodes very well for the A’s future. The A’s as an organization do so many things well, many of which get ignored because of the silly Moneyball backlash/infatuation, and now the A’s appear to be trying to address the things they haven’t done well. As a fan, I am very pleased with the direction of the A’s and now if we can just find a way to acquire/develop some a truly elite hitter, this team has all of the pieces to compete for a championship.

by BlameChannel53 on Jun 30, 2008 8:25 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I love this signing

We’ve been losing at the international game for quite a while. Now who knows if it’s going to work out but it’s nice to have our team at the table when it comes to acquiring the incredible high upside guy.

6’7” and throws in the mid 90’s AND is 16 years old. Wow.

But BlameChannel53 does have a good point in that a young pitcher can most definitely break hearts. I’m just really excited about the A’s future and the fact that they’re willing to spend to ensure the future is bright.

by Blez on Jun 30, 2008 8:41 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Remember Brien Taylor?

Either way, my point is made.

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by Nico on Jun 30, 2008 1:01 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

When people bitch about having to travel to Fremont...

..they should understand that deals like this are why they should be happy doing so.

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by Ozzz on Jun 30, 2008 8:47 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I've a couple questions for everyone expressing doubts

about the wisdom of this deal: how would you prefer the money spent, and how would you suggest the A’s find players with elite level talent?

The A’s will not / cannot sign big money FA stars, much less superstars. So get a star / superstar caliber talent by drafting safe college talents? Should the A’s tank for a few years to get high draft picks to draft those elite college talents, who’re unlikely to be available after the top 10 picks or so?

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by rfloh on Jun 30, 2008 8:52 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They're 44-37. You want them to tank the rest of the season now?

Personally I’m not in favor of tanking ever. I couldn’t ever personally do it. I wouldn’t respect anyone who did.

by WaddellCanseco on Jun 30, 2008 8:55 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

NO, that is a rhetorical question.

My point is that to get elite level college talent, you need high draft picks. You get high draft picks by tanking multiple seasons. If you want to focus on safe college talent, there is a pretty good likelihood that you will have to tank multiple seasons to get elite level talent.

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by rfloh on Jun 30, 2008 9:08 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

coughrayscough

Damn, these allergies are killing me.

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by PaulThomas on Jun 30, 2008 9:38 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The system "works"??

The A’s were crappy in the late 90’s, which enabled them in 1997 to draft Chris Enochs and leave Lance Berkman, and they did little with the Mike Bordick compensation.

All the system does is “give you a horse”. Whether you can successfully attach that horse to a viable “cart”, then make the whole setup travel from “A” to “B” is another matter.

As an example, Florida’s two World Championships, versus Tampa Bay’s records.

"I never predict anything, and I never will." Paul Gascoigne, English footballer

by One won lost won on Jun 30, 2008 10:31 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just pointing out that Florida's first WC

was bought the good old fashioned way: with big money FAs, and a big money manager brought in to manage them.

ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524

by rfloh on Jun 30, 2008 11:23 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and other big money owners

don’t have the $$$ of Wayne Huiz…Huzi…Huizeng….the Waste Management multi-millionaire?? I mean, he even got the closer Jose Mesa for Cleveland to blow the last inning of the 7th game!!

It still makes me laugh to think about Mesa still throwing at Omar Visquel, because of the put down by Visquel’s book.

"I never predict anything, and I never will." Paul Gascoigne, English footballer

by One won lost won on Jun 30, 2008 4:20 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

All I'm saying is that the Marlins

did not get their first WC via drafting and development, despite the common belief.

ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524

by rfloh on Jun 30, 2008 11:49 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So....when can we see him in the A's minor league system?

Does he have to finish high school in Latin America? Or can we see him in Kane Country relatively soon?

by Bitey on Jun 30, 2008 9:26 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Probably DSL or the equivalant for a year then extended ST, rookie league etc to get aclimated with the US

The main fear i have with Iona is the same fear i have with Salecedo. Iona isnt a player ti come up through the A’s LA program, therefore his age is always goign to be in question. How pumped will you be if he is really 19?

by laxtonto on Jun 30, 2008 10:04 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I've been saying this elsewhere

I’m not at all convinced he’d be a worse prospect if he was 18 or 19. Less projectable, sure, but also less likely to be injured and more likely to hit the major leagues during his physical peak.

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by PaulThomas on Jun 30, 2008 11:37 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I call "dibs" ...

... on doing a FanPost this offseason titled “Inoa What You Did Last Summer.”

Anyone wants it, it’ll cost ya $20. You can PayPal it straight to mikeA.

Can an aging lemur suffer from dementia? @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jun 30, 2008 9:32 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The FO just called

and they said they won’t give you $20 for the rights to the first FanPost with his name. They will give you a bat and a stomper puppet, but that’s it.

And don’t even ask about a jersy!

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by 5Aces on Jun 30, 2008 9:41 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I just hope Nico never catches a foul ball

Can an aging lemur suffer from dementia? @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jun 30, 2008 10:02 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hope I catch two -

Menage a baaaaaaaaa, baby!

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by Nico on Jun 30, 2008 1:02 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You can have that. But I'm claiming his nickname.

The Michel-In Man.

(bows)

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by Ozzz on Jun 30, 2008 8:49 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's time to knock the dust

off the ol’ Huston Street commercial about driving to the HOF ceremony.

"JOAN! Are you watching Bombast? Did you see Lack Bust drop that fly call?"

by Jennifer on Jun 30, 2008 10:21 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

$4 Meellion! Most guys buy their mothers a house with their bonus money --

—this guy could buy her Haiti.

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by The Dogfather on Jun 30, 2008 11:33 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Talk about a "Love/Haiti relationship"

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jun 30, 2008 1:03 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

there is so much love for this signing in this thread (deservedly so imho)

that im feeling compelled to start working on a devil’s-advocate/wet-blanket perspective just to cause trouble.

...i cant really think of anything that doesnt have a good counter. anybody?

by oakinboston on Jun 30, 2008 1:16 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

From the fan's perspective, there is nothing to dislike about this signing

The only guy who’s unhappy is Lew Wolff’s mutual fund manager.

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by PaulThomas on Jun 30, 2008 1:20 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Inoa-Gadda-da-Vida, baby

Can an aging lemur suffer from dementia? @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jun 30, 2008 1:36 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

....but do he gadda da slider?

EEeeee-NOOOOOOO-wa!
I-no-A, I-no-A, I-no-A, I-no-A, I-no-a-a-a-ah …
Oakland come and de Yanquis go home.

Come Mistah Billy-man, tally signing bonus, etc.

The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on Jun 30, 2008 2:14 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

In the DR, the mighty DR, the prospect signs tonight

Inoa Inoa Inoa Inoa

He's a very personable, sweet, nice chimp. He's not going to be aggressive unless he's provoked. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jun 30, 2008 2:26 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Inoa guy who's... comin to The Show

When sees the Yankees, he thumbs his nose.
He don’t issue IBBs, or give up hits
He’s tall and throws hard, but best of these
He’s only siiiiiiiixteen
siiiiiiiixteen
siiiiiiiixteen
siiiiiiiixteen
siiiiiiiixteen

by mikev on Jun 30, 2008 2:45 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's a real Inoa man

Signing in his Inoa land

He's a very personable, sweet, nice chimp. He's not going to be aggressive unless he's provoked. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jun 30, 2008 3:00 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Depends on how much money there is to go around

The only possible downside I can see to this is if it seriously dries up the pool of money for signing draft picks. If getting Inoa means that we will not be able to sign Hunter or any of the HS guys from later in the draft, you might be able to make an argument against it.

But even that would be a tough sell as we don’t know yet how this will affect draft signings or if those guys were even possible to sign before the money dried up. Plus it would be tough to argue if these prospects are worth more than Inoa.

All in all I’d say it’s a good move as it adds talent to the system and lets hope there is more to follow.

by DiegoAsFan on Jun 30, 2008 1:31 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Quick Question

Is his name pronounced eye-noa or eee-noa?

Procrastinators unite....tomorrow

by muffinpryde on Jun 30, 2008 6:36 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"mee-shell ee-nwah"

(not really, but I like to think so.)

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by iglew on Jun 30, 2008 8:27 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

To rhyme with quinoa...makes sense...

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by oblique on Jun 30, 2008 9:59 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Only

this man knows.

The A's colors are green and gold.

by mikeA on Jun 30, 2008 6:59 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If it follows standard Spanish pronunciation (some names, like Jessica, don't)

..it’s mee-CHELL ee-NO-ah

I generally bemoan the profusion of Mr Sabermetric Sporks in the Scrabble ranks who don't know the meaning or usage of 50% of the words they use. -monkeyball

by JediLeroy on Jul 1, 2008 7:53 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the A's should overbid and spend 20mill+ for ALL the good Latin FA's this year

then watch the FA class of 08 go to work, pull out of the bidding in the future and let the rest of the rich teams have to severly overpay in the future when we are gone from the market. that will teach them to be rich

by TheLC on Jun 30, 2008 8:21 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hail, income!

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by iglew on Jun 30, 2008 8:33 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ah ... nice limo!

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by iglew on Jun 30, 2008 8:35 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I do have one fear...

If he is really 16 and really 6”7, im owrried about what happend to his body control and repeatable mechanics when he actually puts weight on his frame? Thats the true problem with kids this age, its all projection of the body growth at this point.

I love the idea of signing him, but i still thikn im giving less than 50% to make the show until its shown how he will physically mature.

Im just terrified of how the discussion with Iona refers to his clean mechnics now, which can easly be wrecked for taller pitchers, well before hes had any true physical changes that come with age,

by laxtonto on Jun 30, 2008 9:20 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I do have one fear ...

If he is actually 67 and really 1’6”.

He's a very personable, sweet, nice chimp. He's not going to be aggressive unless he's provoked. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jun 30, 2008 11:56 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"Dispatch knuckleheadedness with Bond-like aplomb." –74mk

by iglew on Jul 1, 2008 12:01 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And he throws 95 MPH?

Works for me.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 1, 2008 9:10 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

with that kind of stuff, he projects as a ...

short reliever

He's a very personable, sweet, nice chimp. He's not going to be aggressive unless he's provoked. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jul 1, 2008 9:13 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think of Dustin NIppert as a comparison....heat and nice breaking stuff that

cant be controled because the difficulties in repeating his delivery…

But then again he could be like Randy Johnson and his control and delivery refined becasue of the added weight.

It all boils down to the fact that does he ad mass to the upper or lower body nad how the A’s develope his mechanics

by laxtonto on Jul 1, 2008 9:52 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

In ten years, if his age is listed as 26,

I will eat this gigantic bug.

There's no textbook for how to treat a geriatric tapir.

by Poppy on Jul 1, 2008 9:19 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that's actually a Rottweiler ...

... sitting in Inoa’s hand.

He's a very personable, sweet, nice chimp. He's not going to be aggressive unless he's provoked. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jul 1, 2008 9:22 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

{bookmarks comment}

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 1, 2008 11:56 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Does this one have an expiration date?

There's no textbook for how to treat a geriatric tapir.

by Poppy on Jul 1, 2008 12:32 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LMAO - it's good until ohad hits 5' 9"

so I guess that’s good news for Robb.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 1, 2008 4:52 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Looks Kinda Like ARod

"Oakland Is The Place 2 Be, 510 Or Go Home"

by YayArea510 on Jul 1, 2008 10:29 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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