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A's Land Inoa

The agent for Michel Inoa, the top Dominican Republic pitching prospect of the last decade, has told other clubs not to bother when the July 2 international signing period opens Wednesday.

That ship has sailed.

According to industry sources, Inoa, represented by Adam Katz of WMG, has agreed to terms with the A's for a $4.25 million signing bonus. Other clubs pursuing Inoa, including the Rangers, Reds and Yankees, were told this weekend that the deal was done, and that A's general manager Billy Beane would announce the signing this week.

 

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/international-affairs/2008/266411.html

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mid 90's

mid 90’s at 16! this kid is going to be fun to watch!

by dawg24 on Jun 29, 2008 8:18 PM PDT   0 recs

Or he'll turn out to be 27.

Or his arm will fall off.

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by Ozzz on Jun 30, 2008 8:30 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Some great news on a not so great baseball day

"Mount it? I already did. Oh! You meant on the wall?!!

by rickey939 on Jun 29, 2008 8:21 PM PDT   0 recs

Michel Inoa

Our Savior! Maybe he can replace Blanton in the 2008 Rotation!!!! j/k

by Colorado Fan on Jun 29, 2008 8:26 PM PDT   0 recs

If I'm figuring right,

that means we’ll need to put him on the roster when he’s 21, or he’ll get poached in the rule 5 draft like Johan.

Then again, maybe we’ll want to start him at 19, like Felix.

"Dispatch knuckleheadedness with Bond-like aplomb." –74mk

by iglew on Jun 29, 2008 8:29 PM PDT   0 recs

There's some possibility

that he is actually older than 16… though I suppose that’s a risk you take with all Dominican prospects.

I’m not actually convinced that this is a bad thing, however. It may mean his fastball is a little less projectable, but the decreased injury risk would seem to outweigh that.

In any event: the team will have to put him on the 40-man roster at the end of the 2012 season, when he is “20.” He will then have 3 or 4 option years (whether he has 3 or 4 is complicated). The earliest the A’s could be faced with a “do or die” decision on him is 2015, which is a hell of a long time away.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Jun 29, 2008 8:42 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Well

he is 6-foot-7

by hyphybeast on Jun 29, 2008 10:29 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Well, if he grows another 8 inches

maybe they can trade him to the Warriors. Apparently they prefer upside to basketball skills…

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by PaulThomas on Jun 29, 2008 11:05 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

At least they have upside ...

They could have drafted Todd Fuller, or another unathletic 7 foot white guy …

"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback

by devo on Jul 1, 2008 1:37 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Great News.

He could very well be our Felix.

When will then be now? Soon.

by Syphon on Jun 29, 2008 8:51 PM PDT   0 recs

I guess Braden is our Oscar?

A little plumbing! Got to plumb! Plumb the depths! The depths of hell! - Larry David, CYE

by Swooney's Left Foot on Jun 29, 2008 8:58 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Andre 3000's rockin' that retro jersey!

"I'm tying my dog to the railroad track, choo choo train's gonna break his back; We used to call him Spot, but now he's called Splat; That's the kind of person we are... Oh baby won't ya come home with me?"- 'The Dicky & Dino Show' from The Young Ones, 1984

by Gaijin_Suketto on Jun 30, 2008 12:24 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Here:
It is the richest deal ever for an international amateur who is not from Cuba, eclipsing both the $2.44 million paid to Willy Mo Pena as part of his major league contract back in 1999, and the straight $2.25 million bonus paid by the Dodgers to Joel Guzman in 2001. In fact, the only pitcher who previously ranked among the top 10 bonuses in Latin American history was righthander Ricardo Aramboles, who got $1.52 million back in 1998 from the Yankees.

...don’t get ahead of yourself, Ace…

by oc on Jun 29, 2008 9:04 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Past failures by other teams

are not indicative of future of our.

When will then be now? Soon.

by Syphon on Jun 29, 2008 9:19 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

are not indicative of our future*

When will then be now? Soon.

by Syphon on Jun 29, 2008 9:21 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

That's true

When we fail, it’s usually in unprecedented ways (and generally involving baserunning in between 3rd and home).

A little plumbing! Got to plumb! Plumb the depths! The depths of hell! - Larry David, CYE

by Swooney's Left Foot on Jun 29, 2008 9:22 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Hahaha

So sad but true.

When will then be now? Soon.

by Syphon on Jun 29, 2008 9:26 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Ariel Prieto instead of Todd Helton?

That kind of failure??

"I never predict anything, and I never will." Paul Gascoigne, English footballer

by One won lost won on Jun 30, 2008 9:54 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

You just

made my head hurt. Thanks.

Florida ain't no place for a self-respecting A's fan.

by Leopold Bloom on Jun 30, 2008 10:58 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

OMG

I’m amazed we outbid anyone, much less the whole league.

by Mark Borgschulte on Jun 29, 2008 9:12 PM PDT   0 recs

Not sure if this is a good signing, but

I’m quite glad that they’re showing a willingness to spend money in latin america.

The A's colors are green and gold.

by mikeA on Jun 29, 2008 9:14 PM PDT   0 recs

fixed
>glad that they’re showing a willingness to spend money

facepalm.jpg

by Zonis on Jun 29, 2008 9:15 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

No

The A's colors are green and gold.

by mikeA on Jun 29, 2008 9:18 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Agree 100%

I’m much more excited about the A’s being so aggressive in the Dominican than about Inoa himself, since I haven’t seen him pitch and all.

"We've come a long way, and I'm not talking about Virginia Slims, either." - Art Howe

by EastCoastA on Jun 29, 2008 10:08 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It beats the Dye contract for $11.7 million in 2003

and getting very few games (65 games) with a sub-mediocre performance (OPS+ of 38!)

"I never predict anything, and I never will." Paul Gascoigne, English footballer

by One won lost won on Jun 30, 2008 10:00 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Hurray?

Procrastinators unite....tomorrow

by muffinpryde on Jun 29, 2008 9:20 PM PDT   0 recs

This is a most bewildering decision

I dont mind spending the money, but on a 16 year old pitcher? Who is 6’7? That seems the very definition of risky. I think this is going to be one of those things that we all laugh about one day. Like Ariel Prieto.

Sigh

by mikedaviswhereareyou on Jun 29, 2008 10:42 PM PDT   0 recs

Wouldn't it make our collection complete?

Whoops…sorry, wrong Ariel.

"God doesn't pay attention to your cute little hypotheticals." -- Jeff from LL

by oblique on Jun 29, 2008 10:43 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The Little Mermaid is hot

AmIRightGuys? Guys…

A little plumbing! Got to plumb! Plumb the depths! The depths of hell! - Larry David, CYE

by Swooney's Left Foot on Jun 29, 2008 10:46 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Good point. Why is Inoa a better deal at $4.25 MM than Porcello for $7 MM?

Is it that Inoa is a better prospect or that Porcello cost $3 MM more? Saying “it’s a bit of both is a cop-out.”

by WaddellCanseco on Jun 30, 2008 7:11 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Didn't Porcello sign a major league deal?

I believe he signed and was put directly onto the 40 man roster.

IMO, that makes a HUGE difference.

by mikev on Jun 30, 2008 7:44 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes, which means he gets four options. He'd have to stick by 2012.

Are you saying Inoa and Porcello are roughly equal in upside? That would be awesome, because Porcello was basically the highest rated amateur pitching prospect in about 20 years, wasn’t he?

by WaddellCanseco on Jun 30, 2008 8:02 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't know - I have nothing on Inoa other than the articles posted here previously

Wasn’t the consensus that he’d pretty much have been the #1 overall pick in the draft this year if he was eligible?

by mikev on Jun 30, 2008 8:28 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

"He's a once-in-a-decade type pitcher," said one international scout.

That was from http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/international-affairs/2008/266380.html

According to “one insider”, Inoa has superior body control [than Dellin Betances], command, and third pitch with an overall more polished package, and obviously is two years younger. He could very well be Rick Porcello in two years and that would seem to make $4 million a bargain. From http://www.saberscouting.com/2008/06/26/michelinoareport/

“Inoa, Rodriguez, Yorman and Portillo would [challenge] the first selection if they were eligible for the American draft this year; I have no doubt about that,” said a top AL executive. From http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3433834

by WaddellCanseco on Jun 30, 2008 8:52 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Nobody's mentioned the real reason why Inoa > Porcello

Opportunity cost.

If you take Porcello, you don’t get James Simmons. If you sign Inoa, you’re still free to get Simmons with your draft pick.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Jun 30, 2008 8:58 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think he's saying that

Simmons + Inoa > Porcello.

If the A’s had drafted and signed Porcello, they wouldn’t have gotten Simmons.

Inoa is not the same as a risky high school draft pick because signing did not require a pick, only money.

ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524

by rfloh on Jun 30, 2008 9:21 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It doesn't.

That is a different question from the Porcello or Inoa question.

ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524

by rfloh on Jun 30, 2008 10:05 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

$$$$$$$$

Not saying it would necessarily preclude it—but that would certainly be a huge issue.

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by devo on Jul 1, 2008 1:40 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Right

I’m not sure whether Simmons+Inoa > Porcello+Inoa. Right now it looks like it might be, but the jury will be out on that case for at least another 5 years.

Think of it this way: Simmons+Porcello

Now subtract Simmons from both sides of that inequality, and you’re left with Porcello

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by PaulThomas on Jun 30, 2008 9:28 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

(&(&(* formatting

Simmons+Porcello (less than) Simmons+Inoa, because Simmons+Porcello is impossible. You can’t have both.

Now subtract Simmons from both sides of that inequality, and you get Porcello (less than) Inoa.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Jun 30, 2008 9:29 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think he's a better choice of scarce resources than Porcello

I’m not qualified to evaluate him as a player vis a vis Porcello.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Jun 30, 2008 9:44 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Isn't how good a player he is vs Porcello

the key determinant as to who is a better choice of scarce resources?

Anyway, the real choice is Simmons + Inoa for $5.4M or Inoa + Porcello for $12 M.

I’ve no idea which is the better move.

by WaddellCanseco on Jun 30, 2008 10:03 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

IMO, Inoa + Porcello

If the only factor is money, you have to go with the higher ceiling guys.

That’s not a knock on Simmons whatsoever, btw.

by mikev on Jun 30, 2008 10:06 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The point, is that

the scarce resources aren’t limited to money. The draft pick is even scarcer.

You can’t compare the $7M for Porcello with the $4.5M for Inoa. You need to include Simmons too. If the A’s had gotten Porcello, there’s no Simmons.

ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524

by rfloh on Jun 30, 2008 10:13 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm with you on this

It’s hard to believe the Moneyball team, who thinks taking high school arms as high draft picks is a terrible practice, would spend $4.25 mil on a 16 year old pitcher. He better have flawless mechanics, or they are asking for injuries and disappointment.

by Philip Christy on Jun 29, 2008 11:11 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

You may have noticed the high school draftee

who is (or was as of a couple of days ago) leading the minors in strikeouts, name of Trevor Cahill. Turns out he was drafted by the A’s.

Times have changed. This isn’t 2002 anymore, and teams are taking a lot more college players in the draft.

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by PaulThomas on Jun 30, 2008 1:36 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes, but

they took Cahill in the second round, for (I assume) much less money than they will apparently give Inoa. My point being, Inoa is even less polished, has more chance of breaking down (I would think, because he’s younger), and yet they are paying him more.

It just seems like a real big risk, the kind the A’s never take because they can’t afford to.

by Philip Christy on Jun 30, 2008 6:19 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

When you cut 30mil

outta your payroll and can take a 4mil dollar gamble. Win/Win

When will then be now? Soon.

by Syphon on Jun 30, 2008 6:47 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

How is this a real big risk?

It’s $4 million. It’s far less of a risk than they took signing Crosby and Harden to their contracts. Both of those deals have gone about as badly as possible, and they still weren’t bad investments. $4 million is peanuts.

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by PaulThomas on Jun 30, 2008 8:07 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Inoa

isn’t really comparable to a high school pitcher because of the fact that he isn’t going to cost the A’s a draft pick. The $4M the A’s are giving him is less than the $7M they gave Piazza last year. $4M to Inoa is better risk than $1.5M to Emil Brown.

The danger in taking high school pitchers isn’t really the money. It is the loss of the draft pick, which could have been used on other players.

ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524

by rfloh on Jul 1, 2008 7:31 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah.

For the 900th time, Moneyball isn’t about taking college players and drawing walks.

At all.

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by Ozzz on Jun 30, 2008 8:37 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Joe Morgan disagrees

And says Billy should never have written it.

by nevermoor on Jun 30, 2008 8:42 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

A guess

I think there may be a few things going on.

First, Oakland is still not wasting a First Round pick on a high school pitcher. I suspect this has more to do with the value of that pick and less to do with the money paid to that pick.

Second, they have picked up a lot of high school arms later in recent drafts. I expect a few things drive that. If you get enough arms at least one of them will pan out. There may be a thought in the organization that they can develop young pitchers better than college baseball. There is not the pressing need to get drafted talent into the majors ASAP anymore.

Third, related to #1. Money is less scarce than draft picks. So, spending money to get the equivalent of a first round draft pick may be a good idea.

by Donner on Jun 30, 2008 9:17 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The point is this:

They draft a high schooler who flames out —-> they also lost any opportunity of the player-they-would’ve-picked had they not picked the high schooler.

They sign a 16 year old Phenom from the DR who flames out t-—> they lose the money they paid him/still have that draft pick they used on a college guy.

witty remark

by dtownmbrown on Jul 1, 2008 7:00 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

My question is

how did we outbid the Yankees? I thought free agent signings were out of the realm of possibility when it came against the Yanks. Obviously with Beane’s track record and his infatuation with this kid, why didn’t the Hitler Jr, I mean Steinbrenner, jump in and up the ante another million?

by petitceebee on Jun 29, 2008 10:51 PM PDT   0 recs

According to BA, the Yankees were pissed

that they thought they had an agreement with him, but then he broke it when he signed with a new agent who then upped his asking price. So they told him to go jump in the lake and pulled out.

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by PaulThomas on Jun 29, 2008 11:03 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Jumped in a lake and pulled out

That’s how my first child was conceived.

A little plumbing! Got to plumb! Plumb the depths! The depths of hell! - Larry David, CYE

by Swooney's Left Foot on Jun 29, 2008 11:07 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

LOL -- good swimmer?

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by The Dogfather on Jun 30, 2008 11:26 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

My boys can swim, baby!

A little plumbing! Got to plumb! Plumb the depths! The depths of hell! - Larry David, CYE

by Swooney's Left Foot on Jun 30, 2008 11:49 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Wow.

Since when did the Yankees become so ethically driven? If this kid is everything he’s supposed to be (I read somewhere that he is a a ONCE IN A LIFETIME talent) then shouldn’t the Wanks just turn the cheek and fork out the cash?

by petitceebee on Jun 29, 2008 11:15 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

reality check

every prospect is a once in a lifetime talent. doesn’t mean they’re guaranteed to be better in the MLB than Todd VanPoppel

by nevermoor on Jun 30, 2008 6:14 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

No.

Hank has more ego than daddy.

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by Ozzz on Jun 30, 2008 8:38 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't see the downside here

We plopped down 4.25 million to control a “once-in-a-generation” type talent.

If he flames out, we lost all of 4.25 million in a season where we’re the 28th highest payroll in the league and Emil Brown makes like 1.8 million.

There just isn’t downside with this. It exists only in the form of money, and a considerably unimportant amount at that.

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by walk off bunt on Jun 29, 2008 11:47 PM PDT   0 recs

That's what I was thinking

unsure about this one

Green Hulk Fists

by oaklandSMASH on Jun 30, 2008 12:10 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Surprised

It’s so un-A’s like. But people like me complain about the team’s unwillingness to try for high-risk, high-reward players. This will shut me up for a while.

by bear88 on Jun 30, 2008 12:28 AM PDT   0 recs

GREAT signing

I don’t see any downside to this, either

If anything, it shows a new dedication to Latin baseball, which is a GREAT thing

From all reports, if Inoa is really a “once in a generation” talent, what’s there to lose? $4.25 million?

His upside, and the upside of a renewed commitment to Latin baseball, are huge pluses

He has great size, which to me sounds A LOT better than signing a 5’7”, 160 pound flamethrower. SOUNDS less injury prone, but who knows how true that holds.


1. Michel Inoa, RHP, Dominican Republic
There has certainly been much said about Inoa in recent weeks, so I’ll stick to reporting what I’ve heard rather that what you can already read there. Inoa is 6′7 and an athletic 205 pound right-handed pitcher whose fastball has been as high as 96, but sits in the 91-93 range presently.

He is especially noted for his outstanding frame: he’s already enormous for a 16 year old, but has plenty of remaining projection, amazing body control, and mechanics that translate into borderline unbelievable command for his age and size. Most 6′7 teenage pitchers (there aren’t that many to begin with) are gangly, all arms and legs, raw, lack command and body control, and generally just a long way from being a finished product. One source termed Inoa frame as, "a basketball body with some definition—he’s still skinny—but he’s projectable and has basketball athleticism."

These qualities have some projecting him to hit 100 in a few years, and that isn’t too far-fetched considering the fact that he’s had little to no high-level coaching. Inoa’s mechanics are clean and the ball "comes out of his hand shockingly easy," according to another source. Inoa comes from an athletic family, has a clean and fluid arm action, and earns high marks for his makeup and work ethic.

Inoa has advanced feel a curveball that already flashes above-average and most project for plus, along with a splitter than one insider called "dirty." He’s been called a , "once in a decade talent," by more than a few. The first source said that elements of Inoa remind him of Dellin Betances as a high school prospect, with the big projectable frame, lack of high-level instruction, easy velocity, and feel for a potential plus curveball, but then points out the differences that make Betances a $1 million bonus 18 year old and figure to make Inoa a $4 million plus bonus player at 16 years old.

Inoa has superior body control, command, and third pitch with an overall more polished package, and obviously is two years younger. He could very well be Rick Porcello in two years and that would seem to make $4 million a bargain. I’ll get into more detail about the logic and risk of amateur bonuses and Latin versus draft spending an article after the Latin scouting reports

FROM: http://www.saberscouting.com/2008/06/26/michelinoareport/

Personally, I’m GIDDY

by BillMoresi on Jun 30, 2008 12:28 AM PDT   0 recs

The team spends money to acquire

a phenomenal talent and people complain. Its just money, which we saved 30mil or so from this year. No better way to spend it then on the draft and international free agents. This is win/win. All A’s fan should be very very happy we signed him.

When will then be now? Soon.

by Syphon on Jun 30, 2008 12:34 AM PDT   0 recs

Agree with this thinking

The Athletics (not “we”) saved $30million in salary costs, and are below average in salary expenditure, so this is a perfect shift of expense to a future asset.

"I never predict anything, and I never will." Paul Gascoigne, English footballer

by One won lost won on Jun 30, 2008 10:11 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs