It Wasn't Much of a Battle - Giants 11, A's 1
At first it was just the familiar refrain for an A's starting pitcher: one bad inning. But then it turned into two back-to-back bad innings, no response from the offense, another bad inning and then eventually morphed into a complete blow-out. The hemorrhaging started with Joe Blanton, who started off so well with 3 scoreless innings while facing the minimum 9 batters via 3 strikeouts. However, the wheels came off for big Joe and the rest of the A's in the 4th when the Giants batted around, putting together a 4-run, 5-hit inning, at one point stringing together 4 straight 2-out hits. Joe finally got out of the inning, but would not record another out, as he started off the 5th by giving up a triple, double (run) and a walk before being lifted for Andrew Brown, who followed the veterans' lead by coughing up a few more walks, hits and runs before ending the frame with the A's fatally behind at 9-1. That was really the game right there. Blanton got hammered on his second time through the Giant's order, and the bullpen and the offense simply couldn't recover from his disastrously bad start: 4 IP, 8 hits, 7 earned runs. Jack Cust mustered the only run for the Green n Gold via a Custian bomb to right center in the 2nd
(To add insult to injury, Rich Aurilia - scourge of the A's marketing department - tied his career high with 5 RBI's today and K-Rod just fist-pumped his way out of a bases-loaded 9th inning jam at Dodger Stadium to notch another save and extend the Angels' lead over the A's in the division to 4.5 games)
The big question coming out of this game is: what to do with Joe Blanton? I wish I could muster up some Batting-Average-to-Balls-in-Play data and tell you all that all of the multitude of hits Big Joe has allowed as of late were all lucky and that Joe will be an above average starter for the rest of the season. But even if I could find that data (and his BABIP IS in fact really high by the way) I wouldn't necessarily come to that conclusion. First off, batters aren't getting cheated when getting hits off of Joe. The Giants' meek offense absolutely hammered the ball on their second time through the order today. Hell, Joe allowed an extra-base hit to Dan Haren two starts ago for God's sake! And the A's defense is near the top of the league in defensive-efficiency, so it's not the defense's fault so many hits are falling. It might just be true that Joe is just not an above-average pitcher. He's an average, command-and-control-oriented innings eater that has not had very good command or control so far this season, which is truly the most alarming aspect of Big Joe's game.
All that said, Chad Gaudin is most definitely a better pitcher at this time and should be starting for this team. However, Blanton's trade value is negative at this point, and it seems like the Duke and Harden are fairly healthy and keeping the team competitive. So what are the A's to do? Switch Gaudin with Blanton straight-up? Trade Harden and/or Duke while their values are high thereby keeping both Joe and Chad in the rotation? Trade Gaudin? Designate Joe for assignment? Keep the status quo and hope Blanton's BABIP and ERA plummet in the next month so that he can be moved for a couple decent prospects before the deadline? Ahhhhh! The Sky is falling!
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Put Blanton in the bullpen
Start Gaudin. Trade Harden before he lands on the DL again. Get at least one major league ready pitcher back for Harden. Sign Duke to a 3 year extension.
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by Swooney's Left Foot on Jun 29, 2008 4:05 PM PDT 0 recs
I am in agreement with all of these sentiments
... and I would like more information on how to subscribe to your newsletter.
He's a very personable, sweet, nice chimp. He's not going to be aggressive unless he's provoked. @('.')@
by monkeyball on
Jun 30, 2008 4:41 PM PDT
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Sorry

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by Swooney's Left Foot on
Jun 30, 2008 5:42 PM PDT
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The second run was awarded
by Michigan delegates
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by Swooney's Left Foot on
Jun 29, 2008 4:09 PM PDT
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The second run was awarded by my imagination.
The Giants batted around so many times that I thought one of their runs was actually scored by Rajai Davis (who certainly looks a little bit like and plays a lot like Fred Lewis).
by Taj Adib on
Jun 29, 2008 4:16 PM PDT
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Could be worse
He could look and play like Emmanuel Lewis.
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by Swooney's Left Foot on
Jun 29, 2008 4:18 PM PDT
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I disagree
Fred Lewis may look like Rajai Davis, but unlike Rajai, he knows how to hit.
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by PaulThomas on
Jun 29, 2008 4:45 PM PDT
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LA-DEEEE!
He's a very personable, sweet, nice chimp. He's not going to be aggressive unless he's provoked. @('.')@
by monkeyball on
Jun 30, 2008 4:42 PM PDT
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His babip isn't really high, it's normal (before today)(and that's not good for Joe...)
Gaudin is probably a better bet at this point, but it’s close.
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by mikeA on Jun 29, 2008 4:09 PM PDT 0 recs
True.
My sources (firstinning.com) say his BABIP is at .296, which is it’s lowest since his rookie year. That’s even worse. He IS getting lucky and still not getting more outs/
by Taj Adib on
Jun 29, 2008 5:02 PM PDT
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Well, it also doesn't mean he's getting lucky
90% of starting pitchers wind up around .290 for their careers, and I don’t think Blanton should be any different. Low K% is the problem. He has a lot of trouble putting hitters away with two strikes.
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by mikeA on
Jun 29, 2008 6:53 PM PDT
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Apparently the hanging curve is not the weapon he had hoped
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by Nico on
Jun 29, 2008 6:58 PM PDT
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Yep, his BABIP may be the same as someone else, but without any strikeouts
he is having 6 or 7 more BIP’s than most other pitchers, so that is still 4 or 5 more hits, with the same BABIP.
by theblackpearl on
Jun 30, 2008 10:52 AM PDT
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Second half pitcher
At least two of the three years he’s been here. I have hope yet. I’d be amazed if he was pulled from the rotation. He had a hell of a start last time out don’t forget.
Still more worried about getting a bat. It’s easy to lose in the blowout that the A’s had another game with only 4 hits. Joe Gaetti really ought to come up. Or Putnam. T-Buck is a freaking given when he gets of the DL. Rajai Davis does not have value to this team if Frank Thomas isn’t on the active roster. Brown is a perfectly capable late inning defensive replacement. Davis ought to be DFA, and then after he doesn’t get claimed, demoted until (at least) Frank is back. I’m really concerned about how often Geren is playing him.
Before all that, the A’s should absolutely make an offer to Bonds. There are no good excuses left not to.
by 31Boots on Jun 29, 2008 4:30 PM PDT 0 recs
Buck is a given?
He is hitting .160 with a .235 OBP this year. He is in Sacramento for a reason. The reason Davis has started the last 3 games is because of Swooney’s left foot. If the Hurt returns, Cust will go back to left, with Go-2 in center and Swooney in left.
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by Swooney's Left Foot on
Jun 29, 2008 4:40 PM PDT
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Swooney in right
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by Swooney's Left Foot on
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Buck is a given
Rajai Davis has been to the plate 80 times this year. That’s about 60 more than he should have been. Buck has hit .337/.425/.490 at Sacto. He’s not nearly as screwed up as people here think . He had 100 bad at-bats. SFW. If it didn’t mean playing Hannahan or Chavez DH, and Cust’s defense, I’d be all in favor of him working out his mental issue at AAA. But the A’s have need. He has to come up and work it out.
by 31Boots on
Jun 29, 2008 4:47 PM PDT
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The need is not in the outfield as much as the infield
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by Flashfire on
Jun 29, 2008 4:50 PM PDT
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Really?
So when Thomas returns, you would have an outfield of Buck, Go-2 and Swooney with Cust on the bench?
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by Swooney's Left Foot on
Jun 29, 2008 4:55 PM PDT
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Thomas isn't back for three weeks...at least.
He’s not a factor right now. Cross that bridge when they get to it.
by 31Boots on
Jun 29, 2008 5:01 PM PDT
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Hypothetically...
Swooney is ready to play tomorrow and Chavez returns in a couple days, but can only DH. Don;’t you agree that Cust is a better overall option for left than Buck?
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by Swooney's Left Foot on
Jun 29, 2008 5:08 PM PDT
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Cust simply has to play -
our offense isn’t good enough to sit him.
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by Nico on
Jun 29, 2008 5:14 PM PDT
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I agree with Nico
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by Swooney's Left Foot on
Jun 29, 2008 5:15 PM PDT
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LOL
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by Flashfire on
Jun 29, 2008 7:37 PM PDT
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Hypotheticals are silly
No offense. If Chavez can only DH, he may well be a worse option than Buck, likely a worse option in fact. Healthy Chavez has been a league average hitter so far this year. What’s Chavez with shoulder issues going to do?
But, to play along, if that was the scenario, Buck may not be a better option than Cust (if he’s right, he really would be actually), but I’m confident he’d be a better option than either Sweeney or Gonzalez, at least going forward. And I’m definitely confident that considering the leveraged situation (the A’s being 4.5 back of the Angels), betting the reward of Buck against the risk is the way to go. Travis Buck was 30% better than a league average hitter last year, and he’s hitting .337 in AAA. He’s the second or third best hitter in the entire organization, when he’s right. The A’s are dying for offense, and this is the one impact bat in the organization who’s available (or will be later this week.)
by 31Boots on
Jun 29, 2008 5:54 PM PDT
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Buck only played in 82 games last year
He spent half the year either day-to-day or on the DL. I don’t think he ever played more than 5 or 6 straight. I would like to see him stay in Sacramento, dominate, and stay healthy. And I totally disagree about him being better than Go-2 or Swooney going forward. I predict the 2010 OF will be Cunningham, Go-2 and Swooney.
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by Swooney's Left Foot on
Jun 29, 2008 6:11 PM PDT
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"Go-2"?
I must have missed that one. From the context, I assume you mean Carlos Gonzalez, yes?
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by iglew on
Jun 29, 2008 6:36 PM PDT
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Who's Go-1?
I guess Juan Gonzalez could be. Go-Juan!
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by Nico on
Jun 29, 2008 6:38 PM PDT
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Yeah
I don’t like CarGon, CarGo or C-Gon. I chose Go-2 because of all the doubles he hit.
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by Swooney's Left Foot on
Jun 29, 2008 6:40 PM PDT
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Sounds like a bodily function.
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by pam5981 on
Jun 29, 2008 6:43 PM PDT
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Ewww
Time to think of a new one. Thanks a lot.
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by Swooney's Left Foot on
Jun 29, 2008 6:46 PM PDT
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Sorry it's definetly CarGo everyone is doing it!!
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by LiZaRdReVoLuTiOn on
Jun 30, 2008 11:11 AM PDT
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Ah, so it's another player's nickname then.
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by iglew on
Jun 29, 2008 6:51 PM PDT
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Come to think of it,
I guess all those analysts were right when they said about Blanton that he may not be a true ace but he projects as a solid number two starter.
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by iglew on
Jun 29, 2008 6:52 PM PDT
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Ewww x2
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by Swooney's Left Foot on
Jun 29, 2008 6:53 PM PDT
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Solid number two
Or solid waste?
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by Swooney's Left Foot on
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One other thing
Giants were not hitting balls particularly hard today. They were finding a lot of holes.
by 31Boots on Jun 29, 2008 4:33 PM PDT 0 recs
I can't speak to after the 4th inning
but that inning they hammered a series of consecutive balls off of Blanton. 3 doubles, an infield single, and a hard single before I left. I really can’t see the basis for your statement at all.
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by PaulThomas on
Jun 29, 2008 4:50 PM PDT
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There was one weakly hit ball (Bowker's) that Crosby
could have played and held the Giants to two runs in the fourth – but everything else was smacked pretty good.
Regarding that infield hit, whenever Crosby throws off the wrong foot, he drops his arm too low and arcs the throw, which then sails off line. He could sidearm it perfectly strong and accurate if he would just not drop his arm so much. Let me guess: He’s “been doing it that way a long time.”
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by Nico on
Jun 29, 2008 4:56 PM PDT
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he just needs to THROW HARDER
He's a very personable, sweet, nice chimp. He's not going to be aggressive unless he's provoked. @('.')@
by monkeyball on
Jun 30, 2008 4:46 PM PDT
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You left
after the 4th?
I like your style, though you may regret that one day.
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by Leopold Bloom on
Jun 29, 2008 8:23 PM PDT
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It seemed like a decent time to get lunch
Turned out to be, too.
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by PaulThomas on
Jun 29, 2008 8:26 PM PDT
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You sound like Rich Aurilia talking about Dana Eveland
The Giants nailed Blanton today. That’s all there is to it.
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by Flashfire on
Jun 29, 2008 5:13 PM PDT
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The annoying thing about that
is that Aurilia was right… Eveland only struck out 3 and the Giants did hit a lot of balls hard off of him.
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by PaulThomas on
Jun 29, 2008 6:05 PM PDT
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I don't buy it, though
Eveland beat them twice. Whatever the reasons behind it, to basically say “Oh, I wasn’t that impressed” is kind of lame, especially when the second time he only gave up a run.
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by Flashfire on
Jun 29, 2008 6:09 PM PDT
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Yeah, if a guy is unimpressive yet
you still can’t hit him, well…then I guess YOU must REALLY suck.
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by Nico on
Jun 29, 2008 6:12 PM PDT
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Agreed.
I don’t think Aurilia would make any other major league roster except for the Giants. That’s how inept they are.
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by Coach Cleats on
Jun 29, 2008 7:26 PM PDT
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They did hit him
That’s my point. The Giants had like 5 lineouts in that game.
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by PaulThomas on
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You know it's a bad game when...
The only highlight of the day is having Banjo man come to your section.
by fansince1980 on Jun 29, 2008 4:36 PM PDT 0 recs
That's a highlight?
Can you still smell him?
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by Flashfire on
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What's most perplexing to me
is that watching Blanton it really doesn’t appear that there is anything physically wrong with him. His velocity is fine, there are times when he has great snap on his breaking pitches, and the first three innings today show he has the ability to dominate.
Given that historically Joe tends to have a short fuse and can lose his composure when things go wrong, it’s not such a stretch to imagine him having difficulties that relate to the mental aspect of the game. The question then becomes, what is the best thing for him/Oakland if it’s a purely mental problem that is preventing him from pitching better?
My best guess is that a “breather” that puts Gaudin in the rotation for two starts between now and the ASB could be, for Blanton, anything from a “chance to reset” to a “kick in the pants” – whichever it is he may actually need.
Ultimately, Blanton’s value is in the rotation and no way do you try to trade him when his value – already underappreciated when he was pitching well – is at its lowest. So I think that basically the A’s need to ride this out, but that giving Gaudin a couple starts in early July would be perfectly reasonable.
I’m not quite buying that the A’s are waiting to see “whether they’re really contenders or not,” because I think the A’s know that they just don’t know. This team could go 15-5 or 5-15 at any time. They just need to “stay the course” on “rebuilding and being as competitive as possible” in 2008 and figure in that Blanton is theirs for the near future and has a pretty darn good track record – and isn’t getting the job done right now.
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by Nico on Jun 29, 2008 4:54 PM PDT 0 recs
My two cents
I love Harden and Duke. The two rookie lefties have surprised the heck out of me.
But Blanton?? Man—too often he’s just not a major league quality pitcher anymore—and certainly not good trade bait. Why not try Gaudin?? Others who have been around here longer might know why Gaudin’s not in there—but what’s the harm? I mean Blanton and close to a 5.00 ERA ain’t gonna cut it.
by windyfelix on
Jun 29, 2008 4:59 PM PDT
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Blanton will remain in the rotation
Because he makes 3.7 million this year.
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by Swooney's Left Foot on
Jun 29, 2008 5:02 PM PDT
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Maybe Blanton isn't underappreciated
Maybe the rest of baseball have a better inkling of what his true value is and the A’s have been overvaluing him.
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by lenscrafters on
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I see him as a 14 win, 200 IP pitcher,
and think that’s worth a fair amount. Unfortunately, that’s 2005-07 and right now he’s on pace to become a 22-game loser with mediocre stats.
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by Nico on
Jun 29, 2008 5:15 PM PDT
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The A's offense has done Blanton in.
The idea that he can pitch his heart out all for naught is probably eating at him. I would be pissed if I were him too. The rag tag bats on our team are getting into his pocket by now. He’s not a 4-11 pitcher….and yet, curiously enough….he is. All he really needs is for the offense to stop screwing him and step it up a notch.
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by alox on
Jun 29, 2008 9:06 PM PDT
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Heh
Eating at him.
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by Swooney's Left Foot on
Jun 29, 2008 9:08 PM PDT
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I say we sell high
on harden and/or duke. i would much rather have 4/8 players we can control for a while then then start to sell the farm for this year. And there’s no way blanton ever goes to the bullpen. That would screw his head up forever, and his trade value( although really low) would really drop off the table.
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by nickatt7 on Jun 29, 2008 5:06 PM PDT 0 recs
Guys were only out 5 games, trading harden dush is nonsense
Get rid of blanton and street
by buckfan6 on
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Yes! We're only 5 games out, so we should...
trade our closer. Eh? Though actually I could see it a few weeks ago, when I thought the A’s could cover for Street and needed another bat more. But with Devine’s return coming along very slowly (“there was tightness after I threw, but I think I’m ok…”) and Casilla clearly not ready to take over as closer right now, I’m a lot less sure.
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by Nico on
Jun 29, 2008 5:18 PM PDT
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I hate to say it but we kinda have to keep Street
for the very reasons you mention.
Blanton needs to go for a bag of regurgitated french fries
by Trainman on
Jun 29, 2008 5:21 PM PDT
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The fact that you would move Blanton
in exchange for nothing does not speak well for your armchair-GMing skills. The Yankees just signed Ponson, for crying out loud. You don’t think they would have preferred Blanton? The guy really has won 42 games his first 3 seasons. And yes, he’s pitching like crap most of the time this month.
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by Nico on
Jun 29, 2008 5:32 PM PDT
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No I would not move him for nothing
That is tongue in cheek.
I am sure there are GM’s willing to overpay for him. Just a question of who, when and what we get.
by Trainman on
Jun 29, 2008 5:36 PM PDT
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Could we get Sir Sidney
for Big Joe?
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by Leopold Bloom on
Jun 29, 2008 8:25 PM PDT
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I say we get rid of Blanton/Gaudin!
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by LiZaRdReVoLuTiOn on
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Czech out the Rotoworld Blurb:
“The Athletics are 5-13 when he (Blanton) starts and 39-24 when someone else does.” Coincidence/bad luck, or is Blanton really the weakest starter on the team?
by Taj Adib on Jun 29, 2008 5:13 PM PDT 0 recs
I would say the weakest by far
He is an emotional wreck on the mound.
He used to get weak ground balls and more K’s. Now all he does is throw poorly located meatballs which get the piss smacked out of them more often than not.
If the A’s want to keep in the race, he has got to disappear.
by Trainman on
Jun 29, 2008 5:19 PM PDT
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Really? I thought you quite liked him.
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