It is, indeed, a game of inches: Giants 1, A's 0
by monkeyball on Jun 28, 2008 9:01 PM PDT
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PrintThe 4th was the only inning that Duke didn't look masterful -- and there still was only one ball hit hard off of Duke: Durham's double off the wall in RF over Patrol Craft's head.
Lincecum pitched nearly as well as Duchscherer. Even though he gave up 5 hits and 3 walks, the A's weren't really hitting much better against Lincecum than the Giants were against Duke. The A's really only hit three balls hard all night: Zook's double leading off the 8th, Crosby's GIDP smash to end the 1st, and Patrol Craft's liner to right that Winn was just able to get back on in time to catch.
Sure, you can talk all you want about the various little turns of fortune and misfortune and 50/50 decisions that went the wrong way. But to me, the game turned on the half-inch (or less) in placement of the ball on the bat on Durham's double vs Patrol Craft's double-that-wasn't. This wasn't a game that could have been won with a little more willpower or grit or savvier decision-making of the kind that can only be done while sitting on the couch with a pint of Ben & Jerry's. This was a game with two matched top MLB pitching talents slicing through two equally matched collections of indifferently skilled batters. The A's didn't lose this game because they didn't execute with runners in scoring position; they lost this game because neither team hit well, period (mostly due to the quality of the starting pitchers), and a few flips of the proverbial coin went against the A's.
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good analysis and summary
monkeyball.
"I never predict anything, and I never will." Paul Gascoigne, English footballer
by One won lost won on Jun 28, 2008 9:05 PM PDT reply actions
tnx
Of course, that’s not to say that some of the A’s decisions/actions (most egregiously, in my mind, Crosby’s eighth-assed bunt attempt) weren’t indefensible.
Can an aging lemur suffer from dementia? @('.')@
The problem I had with Crosby's bunt
is that he routinely lowers the bat too far and pops up drag bunts to third, and in that spot, instead of trying to beat it out (if that’s what he was doing) he should have pushed it up the first base line – which I think he does far more fundamentally sound than his “drop it to third” efforts. But honestly I think bunting was the right move there, to put the tying run at third with one out and the go-ahead run in scoring position, while removing the DP; it was just yet more lame execution.
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The biggest problem with it was that he didn't square up for it
Then he jabbed at it. Not good in that situation.
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Check the bat angle and you'll see
why he could only pop it up.
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That bunt attempt sunk the A's.
Bobby was bunting for a base hit. He should have taken his time and laid the sacrifice down. We would have tied the game on the drive to right. Of course Suzuki should have taken third on Cust’s infield hit. Bad baserunning tonight.
"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer
and, one more point
if you take that pitch and NOT bunt (on a pitch not worth bunting) now the pitcher doesn’t want to come in with something you could bunt. Often, this results in a walk instead, or, a really good pitch to hit. Walker is not esp. prone to walking. Still that outcome was “the worst”.
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by One won lost won on Jun 28, 2008 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I'll say it here, too.
Sign Bonds.
Move Cust to 1B. Take the hit on defense.
Send Barton down. He needs to learn to be aggressive again.
As has been mentioned
the Cust “move to 1B” has been tried with EVERY organization he has been with. Forget it. Nope, Cannot be.
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by One won lost won on Jun 28, 2008 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Sure. Let's have Suzuki play center field next.
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Can Ryan Sweeney play 1B?
The outfield would be rough with Bonds and Cust in there at the same time but we need to get some offense going.
You know how many games Cust has played at 1B?
Zero.
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The notion of putting a player at a position
he doesn’t actually play is not worth analyzing any more than the idea of putting Mike Sweeney at SS when Crosby needs a day off.
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Which is not what you're advocating Cust doing, so...
...I think I’m done with this exchange.
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Kotsay is a good defender
If a guy has to be put at a position he doesn’t know, I would guess that someone with good defensive skills could improvise it better than someone with bad defensive skills.
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You have no sense of comedy.
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I've seen similar ruses from you before
:-}
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Screw it!
Put Can-O-Spam at first and send Barton down anyways. You always have Bowen as a backup first baseman in an emergency. Barton is not contributing a damned thing at the moment. I was really disappointed with the A’s baserunning tonight. Just dreadful all the way around.
Duke deserves way better than tonight’s showing by his offense…..just shitty!
The loss obscures one fact that deserves mention:
Justin Duchscherer is f-ing amazing. I can’t believe all the sentiment about trading him while he has value. KEEP HIM because he has value. He and Harden are the reason this team is a contender – 40% of the time the A’s don’t give up hardly any runs.
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I really hate it when the first thought from some after a great performance...
...is “Great! His trade value just went up!”
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Absolutely, I think Duke has been a joy to watch, an All-Star for sure
Both he and Harden are all-stars
7 the Giants broadcast team named them, I can't remember them all, but Eck, Bob Stanley
and a couple of other HOF’ers
by theblackpearl on Jun 28, 2008 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Smoltz and Gossage too
You're older than you've ever been. And now you're even older. And now you're older still.
by Swooney's Left Foot on Jun 28, 2008 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I think we're talking about two different questions
Gossage was both a SP and RP, but no way was he AN ALL-STAR AS both – because he sucked as a SP.
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1976
31 games, 29 starts. Selected to All-Star team, did not pitch.
You're older than you've ever been. And now you're even older. And now you're older still.
by Swooney's Left Foot on Jun 28, 2008 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Cust isn't hitting that much better than some other guys
That being said I would add Bonds anyway. They can add him and not give up any prospects.
He has a bad attitude sure but come on can he really ruin a team’s morale in 3 months.
I think put Mike Sweeney at first, Thomas at DH. If they can get Bonds get him, they can find some at bats for him and Cust.
Patrol Craft just a split-second
early on that 8th inning pitch. And the one he hit for the out…I thought he might have gotten it all. I was certain, “HR” or off the wall.
Good entertainment, though, right to the last pitch. Glad it was merely 1-0, instead of 8-0…that would’ve been much much worse.
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by One won lost won on Jun 28, 2008 9:07 PM PDT reply actions
Gotta disagree with the last part
They had one spot where they should have scored without a doubt, and that was when DeFrancesco held Ellis up on a play Lewis had no shot at getting him on. There were other instances where they didn’t get the job done because Lincecum bore down and dominated, but there’s no way Walker and Wilson should’ve got out of the trouble they got into untouched. Crosby’s bunt was one of the worst attempts I’ve ever seen in a situation like that. I can forgive Suzuki for not getting to third on Cust’s chopper because it looked like it was going to go right to the pitcher before the spin took it back, but the bunt was horrible.
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+1!
Horrible, absolutely. I could feel a loss after the A’s failed to score in the first, honestly. A real bad feeling in my gut. And the eight inning was just extremely frustrating to watch….
At least the first inning failure was understandable -
Jack Cust strikes out a lot and Lincecum strikes a lot of guys out, and then Crosby hit a bullet. The third inning was a run offered but refused and the 8th inning was a second chance at taking the game, blown by fundamental lapses.
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DeFransSTOPSIGN BLOWS.... get us a new 3rd base coach
he’s been killing us all year!!!
by 33SwisherSweet on Jun 28, 2008 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions
That's utter BS, IMO
He made one terrible decision tonight – he hasn’t been terrible all season.
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The players made some bone headed decision tonight.
While the 3rd base coach might have been wrong on that play the players need to be held accountable.
I read a great biography on Frank Robinson and when he was playing guys who made mental errors on the bases or didn’t get bunts down he as team leader would issue fines.
Many other teams make the players accountable for such errors, I really think firing Tony D. would be unfair if the guys are constantly allowed to make mental mistakes and not be heald accountable.
by Yellowhorse on Jun 28, 2008 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Huh?
Players should always follow the 3b coach’s stop/run signs. He has a much better view than they do.
I agree that getting picked off isn’t the coach’s fault (if that’s your point), and I don’t think DeFrancesco is doing a bad job, but stopping a player he should have sent is entirely his fault.
Agreed
DeFrancesco is an awesome baseball mind. He did a fantastic job with the Cats during his time there.
by Tyler Bleszinski on Jun 28, 2008 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Agree
He hasn’t done anything to lose his job but he is a bit timid. I wouldn’t mind seeing him send more runners home, especially with two outs.
Root for the Giants? Not even if they're playing al-Qaeda!
I'm at peace with the Cust Ks because
it’s just part of his game and he’s all or nothing, great when he’s on, bad when he’s cold – it’s what he is. I’m bothered that but for two baserunning glitches (Ellis, Suzuki) the A’s could have won 2-1 on that alone. I do understand Suzuki’s dilemma, as if Molina pounces on it and throws him out at third, we’re mad about that, but it was still very unfortunate that he wasn’t at third with nobody out. Crosby’s DP and Gonzalez’ loud out showed that luck played a part too, but the baserunning was most disconcerting to me.
The only thing that could take the sting off this loss would be if something equally bizarre happened to the Angels, like they lost 1-0 while their pitcher threw a no-hitter. Which is happening through 6 innings…
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10-4
Baserunning did us in, which is a pretty frustrating way to be done in. Always frustrating when you hit better than the other team and lose. I also wonder if Barton would have taken a swing at that last pitch if he hadn’t fouled the ball of his ankle the previous pitch. Losing 1-0 games is real bad no matter how you slice it…..
And a no-hit Dodgers win would be very sweet.
The A's colors are green and gold.
Missed the game, reading the recap:
I blame the ad. Woof woof.
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Not me
The Giants still only got one run on two hits. That’s not exactly coming out and shoving it down the throats of the A’s.
I mean, the A’s can’t beat the Giants ALL the time. Just most of the time.
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anyone watching the dodger angel game?
interesting game
It's going to the bottom of the 8th, 1-0 Dodgers
with all the hits by the Angels. C’mon Dodgers.
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yup
I’m conflicted as to whether to root for the Dodgers to add on or to root for the Angels’ humiliation of losing while no-hitting the other team.
The A's colors are green and gold.
that would be hilarous
it is what im rooting for
Don't you have to pitch 9 innings of no-hit ball
to get credit for a no-hitter now?
If the visiting team does not give up a hit, but loses with the home team not having to bat in the ninth, I think it is not a “no-hitter” anymore.
(And screw your jinxes, I’d rather see the Dodgers score about 4 or 5 more runs, not that it’s about to happen.)
technically it still is
pitchers get CG for 8 innings and they lose
ahhh its actually not an official no hitter
have to go 9
To clarify:
It is officially the policy of MLB that no losing pitcher is credited with a no-hitter, even when he pitches a complete 9 innings (or more).
It makes no sense to me, but them’s the rules.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
Then it should be called a "no-hit win!"
because if you lose while giving up no hits…wouldn’t the descritption “no hitter” be somewhat accurate? Next thing you know, All-Star games will be ending in a tie.
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Let's not say anything about that SoCal game until it ends
It’s worth following.
Maybe the A's need to pull the trigger
on a trade that will help the offense. Even though Chavvy is out of the lineup temporarly, the A’s need serious help on offense. Yeesh!
I think you can make a strong argument against
You have to give up a fair amount to get anything worthwhile, and the A’s be getting Frank Thomas back, possibly Mike Sweeney back, and are competing right now as is. Standing pat is certainly better for the future, and I still think that in 2008 you have to avoid trading young talent in the quest for the now.
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It depends on what you are trading
I’m not advocating trading all of our young studs in the minors but there must be something that can be had for Blanton, Embree, Gaudin, Street or some comb of etc…...
I agree. We could trade a young reliever as well
Once Devine gets back we have quite a full bull-pen. Actually, I wouldn’t want to just drop any of our pitchers.
I agree
I don’t think we let this 1-0 loss make trading an imperative.
The Angels have Vlad, Kotchman, Hunter, Anderson….and no score for 18 innings???
Even 1-2 big bats..like the Phillies when they came in…will overcome excellent pitching.
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by One won lost won on Jun 28, 2008 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions
We don't have a guy in the line up hitting over .280
This team needs to add a hitter because they are a weak hitting team. Tonight is not the reason you have to be worried about the offense, the high number of shutouts, 1 run games and guys hitting in the .220-.250 range is ridiculously high.
we'll have a couple guys hitting over .280 in the lineup...
when Thomas and Swooney are back in it. And, eventually… hopefully, Mike Sweeney will come back to replace Barton at 1st base sooner rather than later.
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by FoolshGame22 on Jun 28, 2008 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions
oh, and Zooks is hitting over .280...
even though he can’t run the bases. ;-)
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by FoolshGame22 on Jun 28, 2008 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Tonite was like watching
an episode of “The Twilight Zone”. Everything was here from the pitching standpoint and the A’s just looked like they were on acid on offense.
I can forgive them hitting-wise against Lincecum...
they actually did better than most teams do against him. But, the base-running cost us the tie, if not the win.
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by FoolshGame22 on Jun 28, 2008 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions
O.K. 1 guy. Still, our team's lack of offense is very depressing
I watch many games on Direct TV with the other team’s broadcast team announcing.
I get so mad when I hear them refer to our A’s as a “weak hitting team” or “Not the strongest line-up”.
The management needs to do something to address this.
by Yellowhorse on Jun 28, 2008 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions
it is discouraging...
but, let’s face it, if you look at the Angels stats, they aren’t much better. They are very catchable this year. Anybody who ranks that team #2 in the Power Rankings (ESPN) has to be on the same acid as our base runners were tonight.
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by FoolshGame22 on Jun 28, 2008 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions
You are right.
Our line-up is fine if you take out Hannahan, Barton and Brown. Which will happen once these guys and Chavez get healthy.
I WILL BE PISSED IF – 1) Barton keeps struggling. 2) Mike Sw. is healthy and… 3) Continue to start Barton most of the time.
In May, I was very angry when Sweeney was clearly hitting better than Barton, yet Barton was playing most of the games
by Yellowhorse on Jun 28, 2008 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
I’m not sure how much longer the A’s can afford to keep running DB out there when he isn’t doing shit…
At a certain point his "development" can be hurting the team too much
and they will need to put him on the bench.
Its really not fair to other guys on our roster in the minors or on the bench if he continues to struggle.
by Yellowhorse on Jun 28, 2008 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions
word........
I like Barton, really…......but right now he is a minus for the big club. Is sending him down to AAA the worst thing that could happen right now? I don’t think so, personally.
Any ideas?
"Rebuilding" means sticking with guys
even when they struggle, even when you’re competing, if you believe the player is ready. The A’s must feel Barton is ready and just needs to make adjustments. At least he has played good defense in May/June to make up for his hitting problems. And since Sweeney went down, the A’s don’t have better options anyway – Hannahan has struggled just as much and doesn’t have the future Barton (hopefully) has. Barton’s 22 – it’s not shocking that he might struggle and it doesn’t mean he won’t be great when he figures it out.
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I'm not for replacing Barton until...
Mike Sweeney is, if ever, healthy. They stick with Barton until then and… pray.
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by FoolshGame22 on Jun 28, 2008 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions
but, if Sweeney is ready in September...
and, the A’s are in it and Barton’s still sucking… Sweeney better be in there every fucking game! That’s all I’m saying.
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by FoolshGame22 on Jun 28, 2008 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions
That's my point -
ever since it has become logical to send Barton down, there has been no better option to consider.
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Check out his numbers when he's
not hitting in Cincinatti.
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Chris Shelton
Was DFA’d a couple days ago. Why not try him for a few weeks? At least he’s right handed.
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by Swooney's Left Foot on Jun 28, 2008 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Rebuilding yes, development yes
what about pinch hitting for him when it’s the game on the line?
by MobiusKlein on Jun 28, 2008 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions
No way.
When was the last time Mike Sweeney had a good season? Or a healthy one? He’s going to be 35 in a few weeks. Do you think he’s going to suddenly get healthy and play like he’s 27 again for a prolonged period? Counting on him for anything more than pinch hitter and spot duty at 1B/DH is just plain goofy. I’d bet on Barton coming around before I’d bet on Sweeney the Elder finding the fountain of youth.
Root for the Giants? Not even if they're playing al-Qaeda!
how old is Barry Bonds going to be?
I still hear people in wonder about why he’s not signed.
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by FoolshGame22 on Jun 29, 2008 12:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Hurry back
Frank, Sweeney, Sweeney, Chavez and Devine.
That wull help us a lot
Since we had the discussion recently
“I’ve got it finally,” Gonzalez said. “I thought it was very nice of him. He didn’t ask for anything. He said if in the future he could get a shirt, he’d like that, and that’s something I’ll try to do – because it’s my first home run ball.”Gonzalez said he had explained to the fan that players don’t get extra uniform tops.
“The only ones we have, we wear for the game, that’s it,” Gonzalez said. “I told him, ‘I wish I had one to give you.’ ”
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/06/28/SP8411GR19.DTL&feed=rss.athletics
Easy enough solution for Gonzalez.
Buy a shirt, wear it during a game and give it to the fan afterwards. I think that’s all the guy wants. Game used gear.
"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer
Then he can sniff the sweat-soaked shirt as much as he wants.
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I won't ponder why he wants it....
"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer
Whoever the Dodger's manager is came up big replacing Kent for defense
The A's colors are green and gold.
Joe Torre
is the Dodgers manager.
He’s been in a few taut games.
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by One won lost won on Jun 28, 2008 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions
I actually had expectations in the 9th. I stated no but I did.
Just needed to make that confession after finally pulling myself together after the last out.
alaska A
Losing a no-hitter
Duke can only aspire to getting that screwed!
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It is NOT an official "no-hitter"
A no-hitter is defined by Major League Baseball thusly: “An official no-hit game occurs when a pitcher (or pitchers) allows no hits during the entire course of a game, which consists of at least nine innings.” By this rule, a pitcher who throws fewer than nine no-hit innings (for example, a no-hitter called on account of rain after seven innings) is not credited with a no-hitter, and neither is a pitcher who throws nine no-hit innings but gives up a hit in extra innings. This rule was instituted by MLB’s Committee for Statistical Accuracy in 1991, and resulted in several pitchers who had thrown no-hitters of fewer than nine innings being stripped of credit for an official no-hitter.
so, a visiting pitcher can never get a no-hitter...
unelss the game goes into extras tied? So, a visiting pitcher never-ever will get a no-hitter. Weird rule.
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by FoolshGame22 on Jun 28, 2008 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions
of course they can
thier team just has to have the lead!
Then the Dodgers would have come out for the ninth!
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yeah, I figured that out after I hit post...
LOL
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by FoolshGame22 on Jun 28, 2008 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, if he pitches the ninth inning.
He could lose in the 10th.
Weaver got pulled in the 6th inning. His own error led to the run.
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by One won lost won on Jun 28, 2008 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions
kinda unfair
pitcher doenst give up a hit. and they still lose.
So what?
MLB can call it what they want, “officially.” If you want to bend over backward to avoid calling a non-rain-shortened complete game in which the Dodgers got no hits a “no-hitter,” fine. It doesn’t change the fact that the Angels lost to a team while not giving up a hit.
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LOL, No hits and a win.
Duke will not feel so bad about losing now
The Angels game makes me feel a little better
I’m still annoyed about the A’s game, though.
Just keep thinking-- sixty losses
Even the best team in MLB will have sixty losses minimum this year. Might as well be close. Some consideration for that.
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by One won lost won on Jun 28, 2008 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Angels lose, Red Sox lose, Rays lose...
hey, if we’re going to lose, tonight was a pretty good night to do it, especially considering it was against Lincecum. Too bad the Yanks didn’t lose.
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by FoolshGame22 on Jun 28, 2008 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Also a great night to win.
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by Helloooo 1st on Jun 28, 2008 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions
indeed...
Alas, Kurt was just not up to takin’ 3rd base when it was offered to him.
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by FoolshGame22 on Jun 28, 2008 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions
angels havent scored a run since wednesday
i think they feel worse given the salary of their outfield
YES..Angels need to trade "for a BAT or two!!"
Maybe they can get something for Vlad, Tori, and GMJr., as a package….
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by One won lost won on Jun 28, 2008 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions
looked up wrong stats
was looking at the dodgers site and got confused. thankfully the angels didnt play thursday so it still works
why?
We score more runs.
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by FoolshGame22 on Jun 28, 2008 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions
We have a higher rated pitching staff than them YET they are in first by 3.5 games
The difference is the hitting.
by Yellowhorse on Jun 28, 2008 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions
How could it be the hitting?
We score more runs! We give up fewer, too. By far. But, I think PaulThomas would disagree with you. The reason we’re 3.5 games behind is because of Huson Street! I mean, they have K-Rod! Well, that isn’t how Paul would put it, I’m sure. But, it’s the truth. ;-)
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by FoolshGame22 on Jun 28, 2008 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Honestly, our runs scored is a tad skewed by the several blow-out wins
Many other offensive stats like hits, HRs, etc. show a weak hitting team.
As to Street, he has blown some saves but I don’t think he has blown 4.
by Yellowhorse on Jun 28, 2008 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions
He has blown 3
(But he’s still the best pitcher of all time because his K/BB and hits/9IP ratios are solid.)
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O.K. That might be one reason we trail them
I think the A’s might have won a few of those games (Marlins last Friday) but then again, the advantage of Rodriguez is a big one.
I still think our hitting is the obvious reason we are not in first place
by Yellowhorse on Jun 28, 2008 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Let's see
Street’s blown 3 saves. K-Rod’s blown 2.
Hm. Nope, I’m not seeing this one.
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yeah, but K-Rod has saved like... what?
31 of the Angels 1-run victories? And, Street only manages to save a game when he’s got a 2 or 3 run lead. What are their respective Sv/TotalChances ratio. That’s what matters, obviously.
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by FoolshGame22 on Jun 28, 2008 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions
15/18 vs. 31/33
but this is not a useful discussion about to take place. Let’s just say: They’re both good, neither is infallable, K-Rod has had the better season so far and closers are not the reason for the standings.
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lol...
Nico the mediator.
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by FoolshGame22 on Jun 28, 2008 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions
It's easier than being a meditator
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THAT COST EXTRA!
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To save time:
You’re wrong.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
No wonder people love you so much.
pam5981: Patience is a virtue that I do not possess.
ohtobe21likehuston: But you're good at drinking and cussing. Two out of three ain't bad.
LOL - I tried my best
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There's not much point in going down this road again
For one thing, we’ve been down it before, and for another thing, arguing with Foolshgame is tiresome because such a large proportion of his statements are wild exaggerations.
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hehe...
you’re in law school, right Paul? Better get used to arguing against wild exaggerations. Or, you’ll lose. LOL
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by FoolshGame22 on Jun 28, 2008 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I couldn't care less (read: actually COULDN'T)
about whether you’re right or wrong. You’re probably right most of the time. I don’t have the time, energy, or frankly, smarts, to determine that. The thing I care about is when you’re an asshole to other ANers. Which you are, most of the time, because you seem incapable of finding another way to deal with people who disagree with you… And THAT is irrelevant to whatever stat you’re spouting off about.
pam5981: Patience is a virtue that I do not possess.
ohtobe21likehuston: But you're good at drinking and cussing. Two out of three ain't bad.
Pam... he's really smart...
he probably got beat up a lot in elementary school. He’s going to be a lawyer.
Let him make his own hell. ;-)
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by FoolshGame22 on Jun 29, 2008 12:00 AM PDT up reply actions
This is absurd
Why is it the people who complain about PaulThomas’s allegedly boorish behavior are the ones hurling insults and resorting to name calling?
Root for the Giants? Not even if they're playing al-Qaeda!
when have I complained?
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by FoolshGame22 on Jun 29, 2008 12:38 AM PDT up reply actions
You chimed in on someone else’s complaint with an insult. You’re no better.
Root for the Giants? Not even if they're playing al-Qaeda!
oh, don't get me wrong...
I think PT is an arrogant prick. Did you ever see Tombstone? Where Ringo faces off against Doc at the Pharaoh table… and later? Hey, I’m his huckleberry.
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by FoolshGame22 on Jun 29, 2008 12:52 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm not that old
Yes, I’ve seen Tombstone but Doc Holliday died about 100 years before I got there.
Root for the Giants? Not even if they're playing al-Qaeda!
not too long ago for you to know...
what I mean. If you’ve seen the movie.
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by FoolshGame22 on Jun 29, 2008 1:34 AM PDT up reply actions
This post is full of so much shit
I can’t even describe it.
Strip the names out of that exchange and I defy you to find even 10 percent of AN who would call that “being an asshole.”
I don’t mind being called out for being a jerk when I actually deserve it. I DO mind being called out, constantly, in every situation, whether I deserve it or not. Get. Over. Yourself.
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oh, I know I'm wrong about K-Rod saving...
31 1-run victories. But, I’m not wrong about Street being a lousy closer. Billy will dump his ass first chance he gets. Trust.
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by FoolshGame22 on Jun 28, 2008 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Street's prolly first out the door...
if Billy can find a taker. Breezy’s a 2nd-halfer and a keeper down the stretch.
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by FoolshGame22 on Jun 29, 2008 12:07 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm talking more about the absurd claim he's a lousy closer.
He’s converted 80% of his save opportunities over his career. That is not lousy.
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okay...
he’s maybe not quite “lousy.” He just not top 7 or so. I mean, he’s better than Koch, but, so what?
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by FoolshGame22 on Jun 29, 2008 1:05 AM PDT up reply actions
every time...
he comes in to save a 2-run lead or less, you have fear. Every A’s fan does. Don’t lie.
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by FoolshGame22 on Jun 29, 2008 1:07 AM PDT up reply actions
okay, maybe it's just me...
but, you didn’t deny.
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by FoolshGame22 on Jun 29, 2008 1:32 AM PDT up reply actions
rare breed...
10% of A’s fans. We all fear when Street come in… even when it’s not a close situation.
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by FoolshGame22 on Jun 29, 2008 1:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Please stop attempting to speak for all A's fans.
It is very annoying.
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I know it's annoying to you...
but, for the 90% of A’s fans I speak for, it’s not.
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by FoolshGame22 on Jun 29, 2008 1:46 AM PDT up reply actions
It's more like the one person you speak for: you.
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I'll put a poll up...
AN’ers… When Street comes into the 9th with a 2-run lead, will he save it or not?
How will you vote?
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by FoolshGame22 on Jun 29, 2008 1:49 AM PDT up reply actions
And yes, I go between being sure of the save...
...and worrying about it. That’s normal.
But for you to pretend like you expect failure every single time he’s out there, come on. That’s just weak.
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I don't pretend about anything....
I’m sure he’s gonna give it up.
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by FoolshGame22 on Jun 29, 2008 1:50 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm starting to wonder if this is real or you trying to...
...live up to the claim in your sig.
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lol...
sometimes, it is hard to tell. With Oaktoon back, I can’t compete. But, I really don’t think Street is that good. And, I think BB trades him before the deadline. You may challenge me about the first, but I doubt you will about the second. Why, if he’s so good?
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by FoolshGame22 on Jun 29, 2008 1:57 AM PDT up reply actions
I had the same feeling
with Rollie Fingers and Dennis Eckersley trying to hold small leads.
Root for the Giants? Not even if they're playing al-Qaeda!
I didn't with either of those guys...
I thought “automatic.” We’d won when they came in.
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by FoolshGame22 on Jun 29, 2008 1:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Honestly, *EVERYONE'S* runs scored is a tad skewed by the several blow-out wins
Eliminate the blow-out wins … and everyone’s runs scored becomes pretty much even.
The Harrison Bergeron approach to statistics.
Can an aging lemur suffer from dementia? @('.')@
"...runs scored is a tad skewed..."
...er… you called?
by a tad askew on Jun 29, 2008 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
If the A's were capable of making a run,
they wouldn’t need Jason Bay.
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So teams in the pennant race should never add a quality hitter?
Lots of teams have added a quality hitter mid-season and prospered.
I believe that the A’s in 1989 added Ricky Henderson. That addition was a nice difference maker.
by Yellowhorse on Jun 28, 2008 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I still wish we had Jermaine Dye...
and, I wish we had acquired Carlos Quentin. We do have Chris Carter, the guy that Chicago gave up to get Quentin. Not quite the same.
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by FoolshGame22 on Jun 28, 2008 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I think you missed my joke, Yellowhorse -
You said the A’s should “make a run at Jason Bay”. The best the A’s could hope to do is to “make a leave him at third at Jason Bay.”
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I am not certain who is available.
I think another poster is big on adding Jason Bay. However, I am sure there are some players available via trade who can come in here and hit better than many of our guys.
by Yellowhorse on Jun 28, 2008 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm big on it in theory
But it all depends on how the Pirates value him and whether we’d re-sign him or lose him after next season.
Would you want to re-sign him?
That’s the problem with Bay—he’s going to be on the wrong side of thirty and looking at probably a $75 million contract. I’d seriously question whether the A’s SHOULD re-sign him if they were to trade for him.
That is, as they say, a problem.
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I heard Lance Berkman is available
since he struck out three times tonight!
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by One won lost won on Jun 28, 2008 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Is your argument that people who want to add a hitter that we are short sided
and are only saying so because of tonight’s game?
I have been saying that the team needs to add a hitter for weeks. And as I see our number 3 hitter with a batting average of .237 and 12 HR I will continue to support a trade to add an upgrade in the line-up.
by Yellowhorse on Jun 28, 2008 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm impressed that you've said for weeks that the A's
main deficiency is its offense. I’ve been thinking it’s either bullpen catcher or lefty pinch runner, but your perspective makes waaaay more sense.
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No
It’s our 3b defensive substitute. Chavvy may have a ton of gold gloves, but we should have a better option in late game situations.
Hannahan does have a better arm...
than Chavvy this season. That’s obvious. Hanny maybe can’t get to every ball Chavez does, but that’s only cuz Wash trained Eric.
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by FoolshGame22 on Jun 28, 2008 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Karma
I’m an emotional man. When the A’s or one of their marketing partners put that in the newspaper, you wouldn’t see a guy who was angrier than I was. The A’s couldn’t scratch out a run because they were mean. The A’s and Giants both have the same place in my heart and I absolutely hate having to watch them go head to head every year and this is the first time I was rooting for one of the them. The Giants deserved and needed this game, but don’t get me wrong, tomorrow I’ll be secretely rooting for the A’s because they have a chance to make the playoffs and I want the Giants to get a good draft pick and rebuild.
The ad was yesterday, a game the A's won.
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We mght need 2 gve up
a lot uv tlnt 2 get him.
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whtzt 2 u?
{smrk}
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Back to the Bonds thing
I hear Bonds’ agent has been telling every ballclub that his client would be willing to sign for theveteran mimimum pro rated salary and still no takers….just a thought but are you fucking kidding me???
I would love nothing more for several of the A's to start hitting better
Barton, Hannahan, Cust, E. Brown all seen like great guys and I would love nothing more for them to step it up in the absence of our good injured hitters. However, they have been given many chances and at a certain point the team must move on
by Yellowhorse on Jun 28, 2008 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions
think the A's have bad luck
lols http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/boxscore?gameId=280628119
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You look up and down are minor league system and a's roster we have plenty of pitching
Cahill and Anderson, will be studs, were missing that one bat and bay is still young and Pitt needs pitching
Are you suggesting we trade Cahill or Anderson for Bay?
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Everyone wants to trade pitching for hitting,
but why are the A’s continuing to be competitive despite obvious deficiencies and injuries? Pitching.
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Yes
But the A’s were dominant when we had pitching AND hitting. Right now we have a whole mess of pitching in the minors and majors, so we can deal from a position of strength. And how many times have we all said that it’s gonna take some serious prospects to get a deal done only to see the deal go through with another team and the prospects they give up pale in comparison to what we thought it would take?
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by Helloooo 1st on Jun 28, 2008 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions
As seen in years nico, we will always have plenty of pitching, we have lacked a big bat for years
Yea we have tryed, like the bradley deal and getting big frank, but lets try to get a guy who is younger then 30
We had Dye...
we shoulda kept him. Damn the cost!
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by FoolshGame22 on Jun 28, 2008 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions
damn, just looked up Dye's 2006 stats...
didn’t we make the playoffs in 2006? Woulda been nice to have him in the line up in 2006…
.315/.385/.622 44HR
2007 wasn’t as kind to Jermaine, but I’d take his 2008 stats on this team, any day.
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by FoolshGame22 on Jun 28, 2008 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Are you forgetting the whole broken leg thing?
That’s why he declined, and he just took a tad too long recovering for us to be sure he was worth the $$$
No, I didn't forget it...
I just thought, yeah… he broke his fucking leg in a horrendous freak accident and it’ll take a couple of years to come back from it. So, re-sign him, pick up his option or whatever it takes. I was right, once again… Billy was wrong.
I should be next in line for A’s GM. Life is so unfair.
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by FoolshGame22 on Jun 28, 2008 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions
What makes you think we will always have plenty of pitching?
Harden and Duchscherer have injury histories, Cahill and Anderson are untested, Smith and Eveland are probably overachieving a bit, DLS, Gio, and H-Rodriguez have already hit bumps in the road, and so on. Yes, I think the A’s are fine in the pitching department but they need to be. The A’s have consistently exceeded expectations because they understand that good starting pitching keeps you in games and great starting pitching keeps you in pennant races.
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True
but there needs to be some balance as well with potent bats, Nico. Not disareeing with you, just trying to look at it from another angle
Cargo is going to be a great bat...
and, he should continue to play CF for the next 7-10 year. That kid is a natural.
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by FoolshGame22 on Jun 28, 2008 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I still can't believe his drive in the 8th
didn’t get past the OF – I thought “Holy crap, he’s done it again.” The A’s could and should build Fremont around him.
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+1
It was a beautiful swing. I thought it was gone on a line, over the fence.
Some of the guys will progress. It was simply a bad game. You’re right Nico. Never can have too much pitching. It’s not like Beane favors pitchers, he was a number one hitting prospect. And, he got Dye midway through 2001. If Beane can, he will….IMO
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by One won lost won on Jun 28, 2008 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I read where CarGon said his childhood dream
was to grow up to be Mayor of a parking lot.
How do the angels get to sleep when the devil leaves the porchlight on?
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Jun 29, 2008 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Hey, I get as frustrated as anyone when we can't score
I’m just being realistic about the fact that in order to acquire a worthwhile hitter, we’d have to part with the nucleus of Cahill, Anderson, etc. – and I don’t want to do that.
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I would LOVE to have Bradley's bat in the A's lineup right now
What I wouldn’t like to do is trade a lot to acquire him and/or deal with his injuries – how much are Thomas and M. Sweeney helping us right now?
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By their absences they're helping us
keep giving Barton ABs.
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by FreeSeatUpgrade on Jun 29, 2008 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Arlington Shmarlington -
Put Milty in our lineup and he’s our best hitter, easily. Except for the 2/3 of the games he’s hurt.
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2/3?
You, sir and madam, are an optimist.
by MobiusKlein on Jun 28, 2008 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions
The best part about Milton
is when he gets a look in his eyes and you KNOW he’s going yard. It’s rare, but I miss that.
Also, the DHing him thing is a great idea by Wash. He should be able to stay healthier this year than in the past.
It's not Wash's idea... according to Wash
It’s Milton’s idea. I guess what Milty wants, Milty gets.
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by FoolshGame22 on Jun 28, 2008 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions
it's true
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by FoolshGame22 on Jun 28, 2008 11:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Best way i can put it, if were willing to spend money on 16 year old from DR
then why not make a trade to land a big bat or get that big bat in the offseason, theres no way we keep winning with this offense
Yea keeps us in games but not world series titles
All i got to say, look at all the teams leading there divsion and they all can hit
Well then that's good news for us,
because we’re outscoring the Angels and “there” leading our division.
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I really like how Chad has handled this
He’s been honest and outspoken with his feelings, but at the same time he’s managed to do it without being a crybaby or badmouthing anyone. Class act.
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You gotta love the way Chad has dealt with the demotion
Doing what he can to help the team win, no matter what role he’s placed in, despite voicing his opinion about being demoted. I don’t want to see him go, but I wont be able to root against him if he does.
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I just think if we want bay, we wouldnt have to give up much for him
Hes a free agent and pitt is willing to settle with blanton or even street
First off, he's signed through 2009
and second of all, if we could get him for Blanton or Street I think Beane would do it in a New York minute, but I don’t think that option exists.
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How do you know what Pittsburgh is willing to settle for?
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A lot of people on here like to act as if
most GM’s are blithering idiots – I think most GMs will not make lopsided deals most of the time. Then there’s things like the Matt Morris trade that cannot be explained, but I still maintain those are the exception, not the rule.
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True
However we can only speculate as to what Pittsburgh is most interested in. If one of us got a line on their actual asking price (or a trade actually happened) we could analyze the deal.
The point for me is that he’s one of the few players in baseball that it makes sense to trade for (so long as the cost isn’t prohibitive).
If we dont make a move for a bat in a trade
at least in the offseason to make that move, If were willing to spend 4 to 5 million on a 16 yr old kid from DR and we wont see him in 2 to 3 years then we have problems
he could start at age 17...
it would a good draw. I’d go to every game a 17 year old pitched in the majors. LOL
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by FoolshGame22 on Jun 28, 2008 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions
no. i have problems.
with drinking.
i wouldnt put the A;s on my level.
by oakinboston on Jun 28, 2008 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Can you please learn how to reply to threaded comments?
I’m sorry, but it’s starting to get annoying trying to follow the numerous things you keep saying.
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If you scroll down 37 comments,
you’ll be pleased to see that he says, “OK.”
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but, what if he DID?
the A’s might even be seen on ESPN every 5th start.
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Nico, last year they wanted to get rid of bay
We wanted bad enough we could get him, They want naji morgan and there other top flight outfielders to play everyday
Look, put yourself in Pittsburgh's shoes
You have an impact player to trade and your team is not competitive. You can try to get Blanton, or a closer (to close what I’m not sure) and nothing else, or you can insist on prime young prospects like Trevor Cahill and Brett Anderson be included in any deal.
What would you do? (Besides go out and get Matt Morris five years after his prime?)
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hmmm...
that’s a tough one. I still can’t get Barry Zito, so…
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by FoolshGame22 on Jun 28, 2008 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions
No, no - you found a loophole!
You flip Morris for Zito.
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will barton get carlos pena'd?
they were actually less patient w/ pena only 40 games, but hatte was around. no decent replacements unless hannahan or a healthy sweeney.
AAA has bankston/ragowski.
wouldnt it be nice to have DJ as a fill in?
buck/barton have to be some of the bigger disappointments up to this point
I'm willing to give Ragowski a shot...
I think he can hit homeruns. He probably can’t go 0fer 3 or 4 any more than Daric does. Take a flyer, Billy.
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by FoolshGame22 on Jun 28, 2008 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Claim Chris Shelton
Play him for a few weeks with Barton in AAA. He may not be a big improvement, but at least he’s right handed.
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by Swooney's Left Foot on Jun 28, 2008 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I think Ellen DeGeneres is right-handed,
but it’s not a big enough attribute for me to want to sign her.
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Hmm...Actually, turns out she's left-handed,
so I say trade her to Pittsburgh for Jason Bay.
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If that happened...
Hotter baseball wife : Jamie Kotsay or Portia De Rossi?
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by Swooney's Left Foot on Jun 28, 2008 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions
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by Tyler Bleszinski on Jun 28, 2008 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions
People talk to someone in particular?
I never thought of that.
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Nico i have a good one for you
Your Gm for the A’s rangers called and say they give you Josh hamilton for Rich Hharden would you pull the trigger?
I'd say, "Nice try, substituting
Rich Hharden and hoping I wouldn’t notice!” Then I’d realize, “Wait a minute, he’s asking for Josh hamilton with a lower-case ‘h’ and he sucks worse than Hharden!”
Then I’d laugh and say, “My MVP candidate for an oft-injured stud?” Then I’d cry and say, “Why doesn’t my rotation include Volquez, Chris Young, and Duchscherer?”
Then, all seriousness aside, I’d pass on the deal because Hamilton is too good and Harden is too big a risk.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Yea i live in texas
I make fun of them all the time for there stupid trades, i grew up in the bat area though
Coughparkfactorssnort
Seriously, I could probably hit home runs in that ballpark.
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Even with that hacking cough?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
PECOTA for this year
.227/.294/.461 (18 walks in 230 PA)
So like Cust in that he has some power (I’m guessing a LOT more than PT), unlike Cust in that he’s got no eye.
The A's baserunning coach should be shot...
What were the A’s thinking!? They should have made every attempt to get runs. Ellis not scoring from second on a basehit, Suzuki not tagging up on a long fly ball. Unbelievable crap!
Sorry i’m just frustrated as hell. This team gets god-like pitching and nothing to show for it. Holy S!
I know you don't mean it literally, but
it still creeps me out whenever someone says so-and-so “should be shot”. What a horrible expression.
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I agree, hanging would be more appropriate
But either way, he should be gone. Maybe Barton should coach third base, since he can’t seem to do anything else right.
1b
seems like the biggest hole is in 1b right now. Can Chavvy play there for a bit? I’m not sure who’s out there for a trade. Maybe Shelley Duncan?
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Thoughts on a trade, and Barton.
We need to get comfortable with the idea of a trade to get better offensively. The thing is, the A’s are overachieving this year to such a large degree that it’s confusing the issue of why.
The A’s don’t need to trade to become a better offensive team now—they need to trade to become a better offensive team in the future. When you look at the active roster and the farm system, there is little to suggest this will be a great offensive team two or three years from now. We might be average, even a little above average, but where’s the greatness?
From a pitching standpoint, this team is already the best in baseball, and even a significant trade would have a hard time knocking us off that perch. Plus, there are a wealth of reinforcements waiting in the wings.
Given those facts, the idea that we need to replace Barton, whether with Sweeney or somebody else, is a non-starter (unless they’re a truly great player). It’s not going to close the gap that we have in any way. It’s going after the symptoms instead of the cure. I personally think Barton will come around, but we still have mediocre at best offensive options at nearly every other position on the field. That’s what needs to change, and there’s no easy way to do it other than the free-agent market, which is always the riskiest path for a team like the A’s, or through giving up pitching value to fix it.
So it goes.
by jeepers on Jun 29, 2008 7:39 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I'd love to add Bay, but let's talk in terms of
trades that sting instead of trades we like – it’s easy to come up with trades you like, not so easy to accept a deal as good when it hurts. For example, let’s say you could have Bay beyond 2009 if you traded for him (he’s under contract but has an opt out after 2009, so it’s unclear).
If Pittsburgh wanted Blanton, Simmons, and Buck, I’d say “ouch” – but I’d still feel it would help the A’s because I think Blanton is pretty replaceable (with Gaudin and the number of excellent prospects on the way), I think Simmons could be solid but that there are plenty of higher ceiling guys left, and with Bay and Gonzalez, along with R. Sweeney, you have the core OF covered for years to come.
But if Pittsburgh insisted on Cahill or Anderson, personally I’d pass because I think those are the two guys with the best chance to be special. Yes the A’s would be better offensively and still good right now on the mound, but Harden/Duke are not sure things healthwise and Eveland/Smith have been as good on the mound as Buck was good his rookie year – and look at how that’s going now.
In sum, with their prospects the A’s need to decide who is good but tradeable, and who is too good to trade. For me, I’d hang onto Cahill and Anderson but be willing to part with Simmons or Mazzaro. H-Rodriguez is an intriguing question, as is Italiano. And Gio? Can’t figure that guy out!
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
I think you have to pick at least one "ouch" guy
and include him in a trade, if you really want to pick up some offensive difference makers. After all, unless we’re lucky enough to find a stupid GM, Blanton, Simmons, and Buck are exactly as appealing to them as they are to us.
So it goes.
I chose Blanton, Simmons, and Buck
because they’re all “ouch” guys to me at some level – I’d very much prefer to keep any one of them, let alone be happy to lose all three of them. Perhaps a better combo, though, replaces Simmons with Henry Rodriguez or Buck with R. Sweeney. Ouch.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Crosby's bunting....
...or lack thereof was critical, IMO. You can always tell when a player really doesn’t know how to bunt. Unless you are drag bunting, not called for here, you face the pitcher and hold the bat level. Crosby was half-facing the pitcher and had the bat at an upward angle – perfect for a little pop fly – which is what he did.
On matter of offense, they need it, no question. If Sweeney and The Big Hurt don’t come arund I would expect a move around the All-Star Game.
Crosby's solution to everything: TRY DOING IT HARDER!!!
Not such a great approach with bunting.
Or, y’know, baseball in general.
Can an aging lemur suffer from dementia? @('.')@
Realistically...
Of available for trade offensive talent out there, I can’t think of any scenario where the A’s should part with either Cahill or Anderson. Really, they should both be untouchable.
Your team is your child...You love it no matter what.
Especially if it's just for a rent-a-player in a season where the team most likely...
...won’t challenge for a championship.
Perspective is important.
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Chris Denorfia is not dead
Denorfia has been added to Sacramento on a rehab assignment. If he doesn’t reinjure his back before the paperwork goes through again, I imagine he will be optioned. Unless Swooney’s left foot is worse than we are being lead to believe or they finally DFA Emil.
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by Swooney's Left Foot on Jun 29, 2008 11:26 AM PDT reply actions
Oakland A's baseball:
“Woo Hoo – He’s Not Dead!”
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
in other news
“Earth Still Spinning”
Every manager in MLB does the same thing. MLB is part of the Entertainment Industry, remember, with a “Cavalcade of Stars!”.
Any hint at realistic criticism would send the media rushing back and forth in a breathless, “You know what so-and-so said about you…” followed by “You said , xyz xyz xyz, and then Francesco said, abc abc abc. What is your opinion about abc“
I mean, these are Ballgames, fer crying out loud. .. emphasis on “GAMES”....
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by One won lost won on Jun 29, 2008 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I went to the game with Giants fans (in-laws<free tickets)
so it tried to play the loss off as a “good game” but the more i read about it the more I’m pissed. the A’s absolutly should have scored off Walker and/or Wilson. they suck but not as much as the A’s offense last night. I freakin KNEW Barton was going to strike out looking in the 9th. Send him down or something. I know there isn’t many other options but maybe they should look for a plan b.
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