Are the A's a Contender or Pretender?
Almost half way through the season, the A's are 4.5 games back of the Angels in the division and 4 games back of the Rays in the Wild Card, with the Twins and Yankees close behind. It may be too early to speculate, but since people on AN have been talking about it, I just wanted to centralize the discussion, and it would certainly be fun to know in the end which ANer has the gift of prophecy.:)
Apart from the obvious concerns about the health and durability of Rich Harden and Justin Duchscherer, and almost everybody on the roster, for that matter, based on what we've seen so far, their pitching, defense and offense, are the A's a legitimate contender? Will they make the playoffs?
1. The Division.
The A's have losing records against all the other teams in the division, even the owner of the major league worst record, the Mariners,
The Angels are the obvious obstacle to the A's winning the division crown. Since 2003, the A's won the regular season series vs. the Angels only once, and that was last year. This year, the A's are 3-4 against them.
Defense : Advantage: Angels
The Angels are better than the A's in terms of defense stats (higher fielding percentage, fewer errors, fewer un-earned runs). However, as the young A's continue to gain experience, their defense will surely improve.
Pitching: Wash
Angels' team ERA is half a run higher than the A's, but I suspect that, because of their good defense, their pitching performance is more sustainable. The Angels pitching staff have proven major league record, whereas the A's have four starters (including 2 rookies) who have yet to pitch a full season.
Offense: Slight Edge: Angels
Angels' batting average is higher than the A's, although the A's have scored more runs (from blowouts). The Angels' have more speed on the base paths and play the running game better.
Overall: Advantage Angels
2. Wild Card
Boston and Chi Sox are on top of their respective division, and with their solid pitching staff and potent lineup, barring any unforeseen circumstances, they will still be at season end. But as the old cliche goes, anything is possible in baseball. Who would've predicted that late season collapse of the 2006 Tigers or the 2007 Mets?
The team to beat for the Wild Card, IMO, is the Rays. For the simple reason that they have no apparent weaknesses. Their stats and style of play are very similar to that of the Angels, with much improved pitching. The Yankees and Twins have good offense, but their pitching is their Achilles heel.
How do the A's compare to the Rays? The A's lost the only series they played this season 1-2, though it could easily have been a series win.
Then there are also the intangibles.
The Rays have been bottom feeders in the AL East for so many years, but now they are above .600 for the first time in team history. They have the hunger and drive to compete and win, like the Tigers of 2006. In contrast, the A's have been near or on top of the AL West for most of the past decade, and now they are in a supposed rebuilding mode, with a group of mild-mannered young players, who nobody expected to contend. Yet, there they are right in the midst of it all.
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You say this: but I suspect that, because of their good defense, their pitching performance is more sustainable.
I don’t think their defense is sustainable. A few of their guys have been playing way above expectations defensively, at least that was the case a few weeks ago. That’s partly why a fairly mediocre team is winning so many 1-run games. Without the over-their-heads defense, guys like Santana and Saunders aren’t quite so amazing.
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by thejd44 on Jun 26, 2008 9:54 PM PDT reply actions
+1
I don’t know how you give them the pitching edge when our guys have been substantially better all year.
The edge could come from the likelihood
of Harden’s health, Eveland and Smith’s stamina, and Duke’s health/stamina being a major issue.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
So if everything breaks badly for us and good for them they're better
Sounds like quite an edge to me.
Pitching/Hitting/Defense
Pitching (VORP)
Athletics: 147.5
Rays: 117.3
Angels: 116.5
Hitting (VORP)
Angels: 39.5
Rays: 81.5
Athletics: 31.9
Defense (Defensive Efficiency)
Athletics: .711
Rays: .709
Angels: .705
What this tells me is what we already know. We’re awesome pitching wise (Tops in Baseball, barely ahead of all teams the Blue Jays), Good Defensivley (Second in Baseball to the Orioles), and HORRIBLE offensivly (only 3 teams worse)
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Oh how I love AN universe
Being the best in MLB at something = awesome, but being 2nd in MLB is only good. Which, i suppose is why our pitching is average, our team hopeless, and our trade deadline position weak.
Could'a Been A Contender
This is a pretty good A’s club, but it’s hard to see a club that has so many horrible days at the plate winning this division. It’s the end of June and this club is holding its breath for the return of an oft-injured old guy who was released earlier in the year by a last place ball club. They throw a lot of guys out there every night who can’t hit .270, and seem to face an increasing diet of so-so lefties who are said to “have great stuff tonight.”
On the other hand … with Duke and Harden and Blanton and that pen …
its too early to call
but with the way things are going, it is easy to say we can contend. but than again there are the other teams fighting for the 1 of 2 spots the A’s can get.
i will say this now and i hope many would agree with me.
Even though if we will not be in contention come this september. We have already Won!! they A’s came into this season with promising young kids and little expectations. They shown that they have the potential to get this team to the WS in the near future.
I think the A's can contend for both division and wild card.
Ultimately I don’t think they will win either. But contending is worth something, especially in the ultimate “you never know” sport of baseball, where surprises happen routinely.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
hitting is our achilles heel
we’re still in this thing because of our super pitching; but the hitting or lack thereof has been our achillies heel;
we need Frank and Mike to get back; plus Brown and Gonzales to get torrid.
Ellis, Cust, Suzuki, Crosby, Ryan Sweeny are all pretty consistant this year.
Chavez, I think he should sit and have Hanahan take his spot; he’s better with the bat
nowdays
or else Billy, go out and get us someone like Utley and Uggula; now those guys can hit!
Contender
if the A’s are in a similar position at the All Star Break, I am positive Billy Beane will go for it! How could he not???? Especially, if the team gets a healthy Big Hurt, Mike Sweeney, T-Buck, R. Sweeney, back etc….. (Obviously, T. Buck needs to get his head right as well….......)
Meanwhile, I’m just enjoying the ride.-M-Rod
Unless one of two things happen
-The Angels get abducted by aliens
-The A’s trade for more than one person who can hit over .260
The A’s are awesome and contend but do not stand a chance getting very far in the post season.
The eternal optimist I am trumped by the ever-increasing clouds of realism. We just can’t hit consistently.
"I'm seeing more and more Paul-baiting these days."
Schedule
The schedule doesn’t do us any favours going forward. We have already played 12 more home games than road games and I hear that the schedule in August isn’t so kind.
Pretender, but ...
They really cannot contend without more offense. If/when Frank comes back and can instill fear in opposing pitchers such that the person bats in front of him gets good quality pitches to hit ( ala Nick Swisher and his 30+ HR’s in 2006 ), then they can become legitimate contenders.
by DaveinRoseville on Jun 27, 2008 2:27 PM PDT reply actions
Contender, and a more talented team than the Angels when even moderately healthy.
Santana and Saunders just aren’t this good. Barton, Buck and Blanton aren’t this bad. Chavez should contribute as the season wears on. Frank Thomas would be nice to have.
Might be a little early to tell
But if over the course of the next 6 head to head games with the Angels we were to win 4 or more then we would be closer to becoming a contender for sure. But with still so much baseball to play I’d say we are within striking distance but still far enough out not to get excited just yet.
BPro:
Oakland A’s: Billy Beane probably didn’t expect to have this decision after he traded away Dan Haren and Nick Swisher over the winter, but thanks to two of the guys who came over in the Haren deal and some excellent middle relief, the A’s lead the AL in fewest runs allowed and are second in run differential, a full 50 runs better than the Angels. Unfortunately, the wins haven’t fallen the same way; the A’s trail the Halos by five games and the wild card-leading Rays by four. Like the Cardinals, the A’s pitching doesn’t have anywhere to go but down—both Dana Eveland and Greg Smith will be blowing by their previous innings highs, putting their performance and availability at risk. Justin Duchscherer, your AL ERA leader, is also in line for some regression. Rich Harden has been healthy and effective for six weeks, and I held my breath while typing that sentence.The combination of tougher competition, the likelihood of pitching falloff and a deficit in the standings make the A’s a seller. This wasn’t supposed to be a big year, and while Beane is to be commended for the pitching staff he assembled, the A’s should keep the focus on the future, shopping Joe Blanton, Mark Ellis, and other veterans in a continued effort to open their new ballpark with a dominant team.
While I disagree with the specific notion of trading Ellis, the general concept—that the team is playing over its head a bit right now—is essentially a correct one.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
+1
The points about Eveland and Smith are legitimate. We as fans came into this season with the understanding that the future was the important thing. Losing that focus now could potentially yield 2007 Rockies-esque results, but it could also yield 2007 Mariners-esque results. I’d like to see the A’s collect a few more good prospects (position players, please) and call it a season, if for nothing else than because I fear the inevitable Harden Hindenburg.
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