DLD 6-20-08: It's SUMMER
so I know we need to have a dump, every day.
I have stolen a few links from the excellent JapanBall newsletter (to which you can subscribe by going here.
You think our road trips are bad now? MLB mulls possibilities of Asian League
You think Coliseum ushers are annoying? Japan uses anti-gang ordinance to ban fan groups from attending games
You might be amazed that there are still places where people routinely leave their doors unlocked.
Schilling hangs it up, maybe. He may be a self-important blowhard, but he's right about this:
The game was here for well over a hundred years before I came along, and will be for that and more after I am gone, it owes Curt Schilling absolutely nothing, it gave me far more than I ever gave it.
And oldest living major leaguer tells all. Or maybe only some. Happy birthday, Bill Werber!
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Schilling
Agreed on his comment. I think everyone can agree. But what an arrogant bastard to write that…so, still a self-important blowhard in my book.
and THIS
“I won’t come back throwing 85 with so-so crap. “
I thought that was an unnecessary dig at Zito.
by mikedaviswhereareyou on Jun 20, 2008 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Don't see what's wrong with him writing that
Schilling gets too bad a rap.
I generally bemoan the profusion of Mr Sabermetric Sporks in the Scrabble ranks who don't know the meaning or usage of 50% of the words they use. -monkeyball
Willie Randolph
opens up after his recent firing as Mets manager
pam5981: Patience is a virtue that I do not possess.
ohtobe21likehuston: But you're good at drinking and cussing. Two out of three ain't bad.
Wow, my opinion of Schilling just went up a few notches.
Still negative, but not quite as negative as it was before.
"Dispatch knuckleheadedness with Bond-like aplomb." –74mk
This part is good for a notch or two as well
If this was my last shot, and it is over, I wouldn’t change a thing (ok well that’s not totally true because I WOULD push rewind, go back to a few instances and shut my mouth, but hey we can’t all be perfect)
pam5981: Patience is a virtue that I do not possess.
ohtobe21likehuston: But you're good at drinking and cussing. Two out of three ain't bad.
Switch hitter vs. switch pitcher
http://www.mister-baseball.com/switch-pitcher-switch-batter/
The A's colors are green and gold.
Thanks for posting, I've never seen anything like it
by asfansince1989 on Jun 20, 2008 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Does the rule book say anything about a pitcher swiching hands?
I know that once to start an at bat you can no change sides. Unless your Larry Walker with Randy Johnson pitching to you in the All Star game but what about pitchers
I think thats how they finally solved it
but the AB never started did it? Since a pitch was never thrown…
Pessimism FTW! ... Wait what?
Sure it was
Eventually the hitter struck out.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
4 questions
For people who know stuff about the minor leagues:
I might go to this game tonight … does either squad boast any highly regarded prospects?
For people who know stuff about pitcher fragility:
Is this (the bolded part) actually true?
Jay (Madison): My fantasy baseball competitor is offering an even money bet that Rich Harden will land on the DL at some point during the rest of the season (i’d be betting no DL). Should I take the bet?Will Carroll: Take it. Harden’s pitching very well and looking good, but ANY pitcher is about a 45% chance to go on the DL in any given season. Harden’s more risky than average and while I didn’t do any math on this, It’s a bet I would take. I hope you lose though.
For people who know stuff about AN:
Beyond the 3 rec threshold for graduating from one fanpost tier to the next, do additional recommendations have any practical impact, or do they simply serve as a measure of community appreciation? Like, does a post with 25 recs have more staying power than a post with 3, or do they cycle off in date order no matter what?
For people who know stuff about 67MARQUEZ:
Where is he? And what happened to all his fanposts? I’ve been hankering for one of those A’s/family history picture essays that turn me all wistful and contemplative, but even the old ones have disappeared from the archives.
On pitcher injuries
That’s a little higher than I would have guessed, but on that kind of stat I’d be inclined to take Will Carroll’s word for it. (On the other hand, it sounds like he misunderstood which side of the bet the guy would be betting on).
"May a nit suck Cajun geese?" wonders Red. No, we see gnu Jack Cust in a yam.
I think you're right that he misunderstood which side of the bet.
If not, then that’s pretty cold to say, “I hope you lose, though.” He’d essentially be saying he hopes Rich gets hurt.
"Dispatch knuckleheadedness with Bond-like aplomb." –74mk
Im sure he misunderstood.
Will always wants to see guys get well, he seems like he truly loves the game.
Bring back Hammer.
by OaktownPower on Jun 20, 2008 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Prospects
for Portland: 2B Antonelli, P LeBlanc, and I think Tucson has good pitchers like Scherzer and Gutierrez. Not that I’m John Sickels or anything, those were just familiar names from the roster.
...one Japanese woman standing in the lobby surrounded by Red Sox fans turned to her companion and said, "These Boston people are awful." -Slusser
no on the prospects
All of Tuscon’s prospects play for the A’s, except for Scherzer who’s in the majors. You barely missed Chase Headley. Portland has a very nice park in a very nice city though.
The A's colors are green and gold.
Scherzer isnt in the majors...
He got sent down, made one appearance in Tucson and got put on the DL.
Bring back Hammer.
by OaktownPower on Jun 20, 2008 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe 67MARQUEZ is spending extra time with his family
As for where the rest of his fAnPoSts went, that’s odd. I hope all’s well…
AN 3.0's Search Function is *hawt*!
Have Randy Bell and 67MARQUEZ ever been seen in the same place at the same time?
I generally bemoan the profusion of Mr Sabermetric Sporks in the Scrabble ranks who don't know the meaning or usage of 50% of the words they use. -monkeyball
i don't think they're the same person
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
Most definitely not
Just commenting on their disappearances.
Randy Bell actually still occasionally posts on network security websites. I’ve been tempted to e-mail him and see what drove him from AN.
I generally bemoan the profusion of Mr Sabermetric Sporks in the Scrabble ranks who don't know the meaning or usage of 50% of the words they use. -monkeyball
Toronto goes Back to the Future....
Blue Jays dump John Gibbons, bring back Cito Gaston. Making up part of his staff are former Athletics Dwayne Murphy (1B coach) and Gene Tenace (hitting coach).
Is this JP’s way of staying in the news after talking s#!% about Adam Dunn?
“Do you know the guy doesn’t really like baseball that much?” Ricciardi said. “Do you know the guy doesn’t have a passion to play the game that much? How much do you know about the player?
“There’s a reason why you’re attracted to some players and there’s a reason why you’re not attracted to some players. I don’t think you’d be very happy if we brought Adam Dunn here.”
JP
That dude has been seriously unimpressive me on a lot of levels. You got Jay Gibbons trading blows with hsi pitcher in the dug out two years ago and he isn’t fired then? After being at the center of some contentious crap with Shea Hillenbrand?
The way he handled Frank Thomas?
JP has stuck behind Gibbons way too long. He also has made some pretty horrible player moves. David Eckstein?
I mean seriously, why is JP still running a team?
I blame rigid Canadian labor regulations
Cito fricking Gaston? The end is nigh.
Signatures? We don't need no stinking signatures.
Haha...poor Jay Gibbons..
Why did he get dragged into this?
Bring back Hammer.
by OaktownPower on Jun 20, 2008 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
oh.my.goodness.
Mark Buehrle’s pickup truck is so offensively ridiculous I want to vomit.
"Don't be an ass!" --Bill King
I think he's overcompensating for something.
"JOAN! Are you watching Bombast? Did you see Lack Bust drop that fly call?"
he was just hoping it would transform into a decent hitter
Signatures? We don't need no stinking signatures.
I agree with you
It’s simply an absurd statement about what lack of values many people have, and a majority of the country shares those values, too.
There’s a whole industry, and thousands of persons who could actually benefit society, making a living off of unnecessary automotive crapola.
I am a member of the Society of Automotive Engineers btw .
"I never predict anything, and I never will." Paul Gascoigne, English footballer
by One won lost won on Jun 20, 2008 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks for sending me to college.
Children, until we have taught them better, will be perfectly happy with a seasonal round of games in which conkers succeeds hopscotch.
Easterbrook could learn a thing or two from him
it amazes me what our men and women of science can achieve.
How ‘bout "jackass"? Can I still say "jackass"? @('.')@
That blog
reminded me that the Marlins have team hookers cheerleaders.
I think I’d get a kick out of the Manatees, however.
I wonder if they’re bringing them to Oakland this weekend.
by SportySpice on Jun 20, 2008 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Manatees
are our friendly cows of the sea here in Florida.
Just don’t bring your liberal politics, new age spirituality or contrarian natures. Don’t question anything, even if it’s simply, “Why the eff would anyone live in this oppressive heat?” That will only get you menacingly stared at. Deeper questioning of the morality and belief structures of the natives may actually get you run out. At least, I’m hoping it will.
Florida ain't no place for a self-respecting A's fan.
by Leopold Bloom on Jun 21, 2008 7:37 AM PDT up reply actions
And from a link next to that...
Thonged in the eye by dainties, she claims.
I’ve found a new sigline for a little while.
...her cornea was severely damaged in the underwear mishap.
If YOU as a person put your ASS in something and it hurts you
thats your own fault. No if and or Butts about it.
Oh, wow, I might have to change my sigline again... LOL
...her cornea was severely damaged in the underwear mishap.
I guess the young'uns won't play ...
... so this one goes out to the flingers (of the hominid persuasion).
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
by The Dogfather on Jun 20, 2008 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions
My favorite seasons:
1. Winter
2. Spring
3. Fall
4. Summer
Also, the film “Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter, and Spring” is good.
The A's colors are green and gold.
baseball is the only thing that makes summer tolerable
How ‘bout "jackass"? Can I still say "jackass"? @('.')@
You know you can have popsicles all year round, right?
"Dispatch knuckleheadedness with Bond-like aplomb." –74mk
Have you ever had a popsicle in January?
Every day during winter, billions of tiny, white, annoying popsicles fall from the sky.
"JOAN! Are you watching Bombast? Did you see Lack Bust drop that fly call?"

The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
by The Dogfather on Jun 20, 2008 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Okay, let's try this one

The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
by The Dogfather on Jun 20, 2008 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Jeez
Gingers. Dusty was right about You People.
"May a nit suck Cajun geese?" wonders Red. No, we see gnu Jack Cust in a yam.
That word makes me want to punch people in the face
How ‘bout "jackass"? Can I still say "jackass"? @('.')@
What about
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
by The Dogfather on Jun 20, 2008 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Da-da da da dah, de de deedeet de...
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
by The Dogfather on Jun 20, 2008 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
One of the best handles on BTF
is “Van Lingle Mungo Jerry”
"May a nit suck Cajun geese?" wonders Red. No, we see gnu Jack Cust in a yam.
You mean like ...
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
by The Dogfather on Jun 20, 2008 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Does anybody else have...
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
by The Dogfather on Jun 20, 2008 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Why can't we be friends?
Can’t link it, exactly, but click on the right choice..
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
by The Dogfather on Jun 20, 2008 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Sorry I was too busy earlier
But I’m about to leave my nice air-conditioned office for outside, where even by Jennifer’s standards, it’s .....
Don't blame me, I voted for Ice Cream
by Englishmajor on Jun 20, 2008 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm off to a town that figures in the "notion" link, above.
Tell the teacher we’re surfin’.
Surfin’ Let’s go A’s!
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
by The Dogfather on Jun 20, 2008 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Good thing for me
that the IETF standard for PPITFP hasn’t been implemented yet.
"May a nit suck Cajun geese?" wonders Red. No, we see gnu Jack Cust in a yam.
I think I read an Easterbrook column about that
How ‘bout "jackass"? Can I still say "jackass"? @('.')@
I fixed it for you
baseball is the only thing that makes summer life tolerable
Don't blame me, I voted for Ice Cream
by Englishmajor on Jun 20, 2008 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Sounds like you've got summah these:
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
by The Dogfather on Jun 20, 2008 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Clearly you don't live near me and ArakSOT.
Children, until we have taught them better, will be perfectly happy with a seasonal round of games in which conkers succeeds hopscotch.
LOL!
"You know, a long time ago being crazy meant something. Nowadays everybody's crazy."
-Charles Manson
by kaweahkaweah on Jun 20, 2008 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Equal time

The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
by The Dogfather on Jun 20, 2008 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions
that mf'in squirrel confiscated my hyphen
...her cornea was severely damaged in the underwear mishap.
Re- unlocked door
Unlocked doors are the norm when camping. Your tent and all it’s stuff is just sitting there.
Leave your food, stove, whatever out, and no real way to lock it from your fellow man.
You know what else is a surprising thing in modern society? Going to a restaurant, getting the bill, and walking out with the money sitting on the table.
The Baseball Project (Steve Wynn, Scott McCaughey, Peter Buck, Linda Pitmon) is on Letterman tonight.
How ‘bout "jackass"? Can I still say "jackass"? @('.')@
Author! Author!!
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
by The Dogfather on Jun 20, 2008 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I love a man with a well-developed parahippocampal gyrus…
...her cornea was severely damaged in the underwear mishap.
Yeah, RIGHT!
As if.
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
by The Dogfather on Jun 20, 2008 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
What do you get when you cross a parakeet with a hippopotamus, camel, palomino, Gypsy moth and walrus?
Correct.
A keetpotamuselominopysymothwal.
Spumoni
Ya know, Poppy, sometimes those well-developed guys don't try as, uh, much.
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
by The Dogfather on Jun 20, 2008 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Edit required
The corporate chairman throws out a sarcastic remark and those who “get” it laugh, smile, and gain favor. In the same way, if the chair never makes a remark, sarcastic people are making them behind his or her back, forming a clique by their mutually negative, but funny, comments. Either way, sarcasm plays a role in making and breaking alliances and friendship.
I feel like that section requires a bit of re-working in order to make it more true to life:
The corporate chairman throws out a sarcastic remark and everyone pretends to “get” it because, well, he’s the corporate chairman, and one of the enduring miseries of workplace life is the never-f*ing-ending bombardment of idiotic, corny har-har humor perpetrated by those a few rungs up on whatever ladder you’ve misled yourself into thinking you ought to climb, humor that is almost always followed by a nauseating chorous of fake hollow chuckles and companion jokes from various clingy breathless subordinates. In the same way, if the chair never makes a remark, petty, craven, duplicitous, gossipy people are making them behind his or her back in comically hushed tones, like third graders whispering about Little Tommy’s body odor, forming a clique by their mutually negative, and almost never funny, comments. Either way, pseudo-sarcasm is but a single manifestation of the twisted, phony layered on phony layered on evil atmosphere that permeates the motivational poster lined halls and gray thumbtacked cubicle walls of the corporate universe.
Your classmates had BO in 3rd grade?
Wow. Did you attend a special school for kids with pituitary disorders? Were any of them 7 feet tall?
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
Maybe he and LT were 15?
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
by The Dogfather on Jun 20, 2008 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Was my fabricated mid-rant simile component physiologically implausible? At what age do people start having BO?
Usually around the age of puberty...
typically 10-12 for girls and slightly later for boys…
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
I think third graders
aren’t so precise in their definition of “body odor”. They’d probably say that the kid who doesn’t wipe well had B.O. There was one of those in my elementary school. Ick.
"Dispatch knuckleheadedness with Bond-like aplomb." –74mk
You know,
you always make me laugh. But this…this made me laugh so hard, I think I may have pooped a little.
Florida ain't no place for a self-respecting A's fan.
by Leopold Bloom on Jun 21, 2008 7:44 AM PDT up reply actions
A thought for the FaNShoTs!
since i never use them.
Since they are quick links/pics/etc, without content to read, it might be nice to have a link to the “previous” and “next” fanshot at the top of each page. Kind of a pain to go back to the homepage each time to get to all the other fanshot links.
pam5981: Patience is a virtue that I do not possess.
ohtobe21likehuston: But you're good at drinking and cussing. Two out of three ain't bad.
As long as we're making software suggestions,
Here’s the one thing that still bugs me about new AN: On auto-refresh, when a new comment comes in, if it’s above the one you have selected, the new comment becomes the selected one, even though it doesn’t show that way on the screen.
The result is that when you’re using C,Z,X to go through the comments, if a new comment pops up just when you’re typing X or Z, it kills the new comment that just came in. If it’s somewhere up above, it’s too much hassle to track down what the new comment was, so you just miss it.
I don’t think this is intended behavior. X and Z should only mark unread the comment that’s actually highlighted, never a new comment that popped up above that you haven’t actually seen yet.
"Dispatch knuckleheadedness with Bond-like aplomb." –74mk
+1,000,000
I know. I’m only one person. -999,999.
pam5981: Patience is a virtue that I do not possess.
ohtobe21likehuston: But you're good at drinking and cussing. Two out of three ain't bad.
make that 999,998
I generally bemoan the profusion of Mr Sabermetric Sporks in the Scrabble ranks who don't know the meaning or usage of 50% of the words they use. -monkeyball
I think that was brought up before... maybe on LL, too?
Is the lovely tech crew still around?
...her cornea was severely damaged in the underwear mishap.
Cahill making his first AA start
strikes out the side in the first, with a BB and an E. I had thought gameday gave pitch type/velocity in the minors, but alas, that is not the case.
The A's colors are green and gold.
Wow
Trevor Cahill is fucking awesome.
You know, Beane may be right about drafting college players being the better strategy, but it just doesn’t have the same feeling of growth that prep guys do. It always seems so rushed for the college guys.
I guess it’s one more luxury that small-market teams can’t afford.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
or better yet
18 year-olds
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin
by Helloooo 1st on Jun 20, 2008 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions
He's a pederast, dude
Florida ain't no place for a self-respecting A's fan.
by Leopold Bloom on Jun 21, 2008 7:46 AM PDT up reply actions
He's dominating
Everything’s either hit on the ground or swung on and missed.
"We were s--, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on Jun 20, 2008 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Probably done for the night now...
He got into trouble with 2 HBPs in the 6th, but got out of it. Only two balls hit to the OF in 6 IP….
What I learned from looking at gameday: he loves pitching inside to both RH and LH hitters, which accounts for his high hbp total this year. Most of his pre-2 strike pitches were inside, and it looked like he went low and outside with (probably) breaking balls of whatever type to get Ks.
The A's colors are green and gold.
Fortunately, aside from stupidity, I’m on the up and up.
How ‘bout "jackass"? Can I still say "jackass"? @('.')@
He forgot to check the box.
- it’s NOT ok to contact this poster with detectives or other law-enforcement interests
"Dispatch knuckleheadedness with Bond-like aplomb." –74mk
Your wife, the little girl
Sell me your children!
Florida ain't no place for a self-respecting A's fan.
by Leopold Bloom on Jun 21, 2008 7:48 AM PDT up reply actions
You better think about that
pitch, Cust. You better think about the consequences of your actions.
Florida ain't no place for a self-respecting A's fan.
by Leopold Bloom on Jun 21, 2008 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Murphy back, Petit down
The A’s have activated Donnie Murphy and optioned Petit back to Sacramento
link
"May a nit suck Cajun geese?" wonders Red. No, we see gnu Jack Cust in a yam.
i'm watching unc - lsu
and the unc pitcher (#25) had his top rib removed, and he now pitches with the rib in his back pocket.
i just thought i’d share that with everyone.
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
It's not even 8...
And I’m alrady tipsy!
:-)
Have a nice night.
"You know, a long time ago being crazy meant something. Nowadays everybody's crazy."
-Charles Manson
I can't sleep because it's so hot!
And then I read about the new foods that are going to be at the Minnesota State Fair this year:
bacon dipped in chocolate and bacon on a stick coated with caramelized maple syrup.
Yum.
Don't blame me, I voted for Ice Cream
I'd kill
for some NorCal “hot” right now. I’ve not left the house in two months.
Florida ain't no place for a self-respecting A's fan.
by Leopold Bloom on Jun 21, 2008 7:49 AM PDT up reply actions
so, the bacon-on-a-stick ...
... do they serve it to you by plunging the stick directly into your heart?
How ‘bout "jackass"? Can I still say "jackass"? @('.')@
I love bacon
but that’s gross.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
Thank you.
If Mr. Poppy goes missing for a couple of weeks, I’ll check Minnesota first.
...her cornea was severely damaged in the underwear mishap.
My brother and me
had a debate the other day. I was commenting on Blez’s post the other day where he said that while he loved Hannahan, he was not exactly Scutaro. While conveying this to Ben, I argued that while Jack may not yet be as accomplished a “relief infielder” that Scoots was/is, his name was just as fun to say-I’m open to the possibility of just being me, but every time an announcer/highlight guy says his name, I repeat-scream “HANNAHAN!” like I have tourette’s. My brother countered and said it would be, if he had a different first name-but that nothing could beat the MARCO! chants. This led me to debating over the last couple days what would be the perfect first name for HANNAHAN?
I think, after some serious reflection and pontification, I’ve come up with Hammy. Obviously, the heat’s affected my brain in some serious, permanent way, but…what would be your thought?
Florida ain't no place for a self-respecting A's fan.
Yawah?
Florida ain't no place for a self-respecting A's fan.
by Leopold Bloom on Jun 21, 2008 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Cannrahan?
"I'm seeing more and more Paul-baiting these days."
by OptimistPrime on Jun 21, 2008 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I want to be part of your family.
"JOAN! Are you watching Bombast? Did you see Lack Bust drop that fly call?"
No
really, you don’t. There’s apparently a weight minimum. And as lucrative, entertaining and fun as a “sign shop in Sarasota, Florida” sounds, the hours are demanding, the monies earned are paltry, and those fancy degrees I’ve earned are burning a hole through the back of my skull, though that may be that glowing orb up in the sky which never ever ever goes away here. I’m not sure, but I think it may be some sort of mind-control device.
Florida ain't no place for a self-respecting A's fan.
by Leopold Bloom on Jun 21, 2008 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
"a weight minimum"
What about a max? That’s where I get in trouble.
"JOAN! Are you watching Bombast? Did you see Lack Bust drop that fly call?"
No
no weight max. Perhaps you are a long-lost family member…
Florida ain't no place for a self-respecting A's fan.
by Leopold Bloom on Jun 22, 2008 8:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Forget perfect first name
He should go by his initials: N.A. Hannahan
"Dispatch knuckleheadedness with Bond-like aplomb." –74mk
I repeat-scream his name too!
It’s just so much fun to say. I’m glad that I’m not the only one that does that.

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