Gammons: Harden Could be the Big Prize
Man. Honestly, i admire beane's ability to keep turning established players into more younger (and potentially) better prospects. But, man, Harden is just one of those rare gems that come to your team once every couple of decades. When he's pitching, he's just dominant. He pitches with a swagger, when people get a hit off of him, he seems to have this smirk on his face. You just got to love a dominant player like that.
Yet, like all our favorite players, his time to go seems eminent. I know there's plenty of ANers who want Harden go while his value is high, but HOW often people, do we have a star on our team? I know, the same old, injury story. But he's no Mark Prior. Harden has injury problems but it seems to be at least popping up in various parts of the upper body, rather than just arm trouble like Prior. So, why not roll the dice, Beane, and just give the team a bona-fide star for at least the remaining year and a half.
I honestly can say, when Harden is out there, I don't think we can lose. And you got to believe that the hitters try even harder to scratch out runs when they know that their stud will give them a chance to win.
I want him to stay so much, that I'm just ready to start a petition. Any signatures out there?
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Unless somebody backs up the truck, I don't think Harden is dealt.
And I’m talking about a Hanley Ramirez/Anibal Sanchez for Beckett/Lowell’s contract/Mota’s corpse type of deal, only not including the contract or the corpse.
When 100% healthy, everybody agrees that Harden is a top 10 pitcher in baseball. That’s not a guy you trade for less than a major, major haul. More than Haren’s deal.
Me personally, I say decline his option, keep him via arbitration or a 1 year deal, and give him a 3/21 extension next season.
by mikev on Jun 15, 2008 10:14 PM PDT 0 recs
more than haren'sdeal?
he’s a top 10 pitcher in what he can be, but how often often has that plan gone off track for the last 4 yrs? also if beane sets the price that high, no chance he gets traded. no team will give up that much, since i doubt we’ll ever see a 100% healthy harden. there’s a risk in every situation involving him. beane shouldnt be in a rush to trade him, but should be open to future options because even past 09 a healthy harden likely wont be here long term and leave for free agency. if they can get top prospects for harden, than the luke warm market for blanton/street right now, its something to consider. it would be an easier decision if some of their pitching prospects werent injured or struggling like hrod/dls/simmons/bailey/gio etc. the plan was at least 2 from that group may be ready by late 09
by Asfan4ever723 on
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Harden extension
No way you’re getting him to sign a 3/21. Harden is looking at Jake Peavy money if you want him to sign an extension.
He’s the perfect candidate to wait it out for FA. He needs to prove a year and a half of health. If he does, he’s a nine-figure player. So there’s no incentive for him to sign a 3/21.
"Let’s just hope he’s not a complete turd out there." -thejd44, describing Crosby's best scenario.
by notsellingjeans on
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nine-figure player
by 2010, nine-finger could be more realistic.
heh, j/k, j/k, I should not say that about my favorite player.
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by Cutthemullet on
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we could already call Harden a nein vigor player ...
If we can’t fix the stupid, can we at least beat them senseless? @('.')@
by monkeyball on
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if he's worth more than Haren in a trade
then he’s worth way more than 3/21, heh. As it is, he can’t be worth more than Haren in a trade, but he’d still be worth more than 3/21.
Also, I’m not sure if you’re equating the A’s to the Marlins or the Red Sox in that trade…I thought the Red Sox, because at the time Beckett was established and Hanley was not, but it sounds like you don’t want a contract or corpse in exchange for Harden. Which is understandable, of course. Or maybe you are looking at things from the Red Sox POV, and you’re just saying that we wouldn’t offer a corpse and a contract. Though, of course, we could (Sweeney and Chavez, respectively. Or, seeing as Harden would be the centerpiece, perhaps the other team would think that providing an additional corpse wouldn’t really be necessary).
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by Cutthemullet on
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If you want
to sign him to a 3/21 deal, now is the time. He has 4 years of service time at the start of the season. So likely 5 after this. And likely 6 after next. So basically, you would offer Harden a 3/21 deal after he becomes an FA. Esteban Loaiza got signed to a similar deal a few years ago. There is no freaking way that Harden would take a 3/21 deal as an FA, unless he’s dealing with a bunch of serious career threatening injuries.
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by rfloh on
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Two Harden Deals:
Harden and Embree for Rick Porcello, Ryan Raburn + a few lesser-known, less regarded guys that the A’s scouts like.
Or..
Harden, Embree, and another major league A’s reliever for Phil Hughes, Ian Kennedy, and Shelley Duncan.
Both the Tigers and the Yankees have payrolls and owners that put them in a clear win-now mode. And Rich Harden, coupled with some relief help, could be the difference maker in their playoff chases.
In return, the A’s get a cost-controlled right-handed corner OF bat that can help, and six cost controlled years of an elite pitching prospect or two.
The downside to both of these is that the A’s would be helping a team whom they’re competing with for a wild card berth. Because of this, I think it’s more likely that Harden gets re-routed to the NL, even though (unlike Blanton) he’s good enough to actually be a huge upgrade to AL contenders.
Unfortunately, I don’t see an NL contender that’s in search of SPs who can actually offer prospects that are worthy of Rich Harden.
My best guess is that if anything happens, it’s Blanton to the Braves and/or Harden to the Yankees or Tigers. To me those are the most logical matches on paper. Obviously the A’s can sweeten both packages with the veteran relief pitching they can float – Embree, Foulke, Calero (not very valuable, I know), and maybe Street, too.
"Let’s just hope he’s not a complete turd out there." -thejd44, describing Crosby's best scenario.
by notsellingjeans on Jun 15, 2008 10:37 PM PDT 0 recs
No..
Missreported by mlbtraderumors…I think he was just optioned back down to AAA. Some of the guys that Tim has working for him there aren’t knowledgeable enough.
"Let’s just hope he’s not a complete turd out there." -thejd44, describing Crosby's best scenario.
by notsellingjeans on
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would you really want Ian Kennedy to be included?
And Phil Hughes seems to be on his way to establishing a Harden-like health record.
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by Cutthemullet on
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those are the worst looking trades i've seen even imagined
Tigers: yes, porcello is great, but 1) he’s still in A ball 2) he’s doing fine in A-ball but not even impressive by any means (40 or so k’s in 67 innings, 2/1 k/bb ratio) 3) pitching prospects get hurt (see DLS). the 27 year old raburn looks more like AAAA player than an actual prospect. Even the swisher deal has a better return than that.
Yankees: Yes Phil Hughes is good, but hes on the shelf, and hasn’t been dominant as advertised, so you’ve got to have some doubts. Ian Kennedy, as I’ve learned in a previous post, is not very impressive at all. And Shelley Duncan (see Dan Johnson).
by uclabruin on Jun 15, 2008 10:46 PM PDT 0 recs
Both packages are far, far better than getting...
a second-round draft pick and a sandwich pick, which is what Harden will yield in a season and a half. And the longer you wait, you the smaller that package will be. (Look at Santana’s surprisingly low haul, or Sabathia’s declining value).
Trade value in baseball is a ticking clock.
Porcello’s stats are very good for a 19 year-old in high-A ball. To say they are “not even impressive by any means” is almost as ridiculous as the hyperbole in your post title.
"Let’s just hope he’s not a complete turd out there." -thejd44, describing Crosby's best scenario.
by notsellingjeans on
Jun 15, 2008 11:15 PM PDT
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You're actually understating your case here
Two draft picks is what Harden MIGHT yield in a year and a half. If he blows out his shoulder, the A’s get doodly squat.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on
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true
"Let’s just hope he’s not a complete turd out there." -thejd44, describing Crosby's best scenario.
by notsellingjeans on
Jun 15, 2008 11:21 PM PDT
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and Porcello...
is going to be unanimously on Sickels/BA/Goldstein’s top 10 prospects in baseball lists at the end of this season.
I’ll acknowledge that not-stellar K rate is a hiccup…but if it wasn’t there, you couldn’t acquire him for a year and half of Harden. He has one wart and certainly Harden has his.
Porcello was the best high school pitcher since Josh Beckett. That didn’t magically change in the last year. If there’s still a decent chance that he becomes Beckett, he’d be a respectable haul for a year and half of Harden.
"Let’s just hope he’s not a complete turd out there." -thejd44, describing Crosby's best scenario.
by notsellingjeans on
Jun 15, 2008 11:26 PM PDT
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Okay, so cross out number 1
Let’s just assume he’ll be a stud regardless. If he blows a elbow, we’ll have the all-so-impressive Raburn to look forward to.
by uclabruin on
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what if harden blows out his elbow
and the A’s get nothing? This is much more likely considering Harden’s injury history. Porcello has no history of injuries.
by echerrst on
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I must have a different understanding of the way the world works
Perhaps I’m unfairly writing off the notion of reincarnation, but I see no circumstances in which Rick Porcello becomes Josh Beckett. If my metaphysics are in fact correct, your credibility has to be undermined ever so slightly.
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by Cutthemullet on
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and Shelley Duncan...
is a poor man’s Jack Cust. He just needs a team to give him an opportunity to play every day without getting jerked around. He’s an .800 OPS waiting to happen. I hope that some team will eventually tolerate the 170 k’s and get rewarded with a 30 bomb, slugging heavy, .800 OPS season at the big league level. But it has to happen soon because he’s 28. The same age, incidentally, as Cust’s renaissance.
"Let’s just hope he’s not a complete turd out there." -thejd44, describing Crosby's best scenario.
by notsellingjeans on
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That's hilarious.
Anyone else catch that? “Poor man’s Jack Cust”...”and Cust was free”...good stuff.
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by Cutthemullet on
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He's not really similar to Cust, other than that they both hit home runs
He’s unlikely to ever have a league average obp, and he hasn’t really shown the ability to put up a high babip. His Ks aren’t even particularly high for a power hitter. He’s decent, though, and he’d help against LH starters. He’s pretty fringy as an every day corner OFer, though.
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by mikeA on
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can someone paste the relevant part in this thread for us non-insiders?
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
by xbhaskarx on Jun 15, 2008 11:04 PM PDT 0 recs
Was thinking the same thing...
Checked all over the web trying to find the blurb about the A’s from that article. I hate that EPSN is the only site that charges to read articles from it’s columnists. There is no way I am going to pay for insider when there are about 2 articles per year I would actually like to read.
by Sacpike on
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BPro? Baseball America?
Lots of sites have insider content.
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by PaulThomas on
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I think he meant of the major traditional sports media
by Blez on
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I don't get to a chance to read much about.....
the A’s during the season, so the times when I do, I come here and about 3 other sites. I used to read ESPN a lot because I liked the articles from their columnists, especially Gammons. It’s a pity that the guys you want to hear from the most, aren’t being heard(I guess ESPN.com doesn’t make enough from advertising- they need more), unless you watch Baseball Tonight. Even then, you don’t get much.
by Sacpike on
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I, too, am not willing to pay for ESPN insider
when there are about 2 articles per year I would actually like to read.
But I figure that if that’s the way I feel, I shouldn’t go around bitching about lack of access to articles I want to read….
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by iglew on
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It's pretty essential for college basketball
in which ESPN’s coverage is actually a. competent, and b. not grotesquely favoritist. They actually make a serious effort to cover the “smaller” teams with at least a modicum of accuracy and depth.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on
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seconded
I was assuming that by this point of the comment section someone would’ve helped out The Outsiders, but I guess I expected too much of the Socs.
16 HRs, 33 RBIs in fantasy this week, entering Sunday. I think I’m starting Adam Dunn at every position. You’re having a good week by deadbeat owner standards, but my team is finally starting to hit for power. Someone needs to compete with andeux, it might as well be me.
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by Cutthemullet on
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A call came in Sunday morning that said, “Billy Beane has the single most important piece to trade to win the World Series. But the question is, how many songs do you let Slowhand play before a string breaks.”Hello, Rich Harden. Beane is right—Harden is the most dominant pitcher in the American League right now. Nine starts; the last time he had more than that was 2005. Seven quality starts. 11.31 strikeouts per nine innings. 53.1 innings pitched, 40 hits allowed. Has started against Boston twice, the Angels, Detroit and Atlanta once. He has a career 35-18 record, but he’s had a career in which his starts have gone from 31 to 22 to nine to seven before 2008.
Beane’s Athletics are a fascinating team, especially as Eric Chavez, Santiago Casilla, Joey Devine and Ryan Sweeney get healthy. They have a $47 million payroll, and Beane is trying to reconstruct another five-year run; he’ll be in the Dominican Republic this week to see free agent right-handed pitcher Michel Inoa, which would be the equivalent of signing a top 10 draft pick. Beane has made it clear whether it’s Harden or Joe Blanton, Bobby Crosby or Mark Ellis that his store is always open.
The Athletics began Sunday’s game with the Giants three games behind the Angels in the AL West and three games behind the Rays for the wild card. So if someone is willing to play the Harden Card, the price - remember, he will makes $11.5 million in 2008 and 2009 combined - will be extremely high. Harden could get Oakland deep into the playoffs. He could also get someone else deep into October. Or a string could pop.
So it goes.
by jeepers on
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“eminent”?
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
by xbhaskarx on Jun 15, 2008 11:05 PM PDT 0 recs
another guy from Detroit
If we can’t fix the stupid, can we at least beat them senseless? @('.')@
by monkeyball on
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I've always felt
that anyone opposed to signing a petition should be able to use their “signature” to cross a name off said petition instead.
It would go a long way toward, for instance, keeping stupid legislative initiatives off the actual ballot.
I subtract one signature from the petition to keep Rich Harden.
If no one offers value for him, that’s one thing, but hanging on to him out of some rigid determination not to ever trade good players even when good value is offered is something entirely different.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Jun 15, 2008 11:17 PM PDT 0 recs
Subtract another name!
I think the A’s deserve props for waiting out all his injuries, and resisting the urge to trade him (during the bad times) for a pile of nails just out of frustration. But as much fun as it may be to reap the rewards of his unlikely comeback, one should not place an infinite amount of value on that fun. In other words, if someone offers MORE value in a trade, pull the effing trigger.
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by rubin sierra on
Jun 15, 2008 11:52 PM PDT
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a pile of nails
Dykstra runs?
If we can’t fix the stupid, can we at least beat them senseless? @('.')@
by monkeyball on
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also in response to "a pile of nails"
Don’t tell me “a bag of balls” has become cliche…clearly many trade options of similar value remain, though…pack of sunflower seeds, tin of chewing tobacco, vial of anabolic steroid…hey, if we’re trading with the Yankees, maybe even a lucky thong. Preferable to Ian Kennedy in my estimation.
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by Cutthemullet on
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Sunflower seeds
I just discovered, this weekend, that my three-year-old nephew with the surprisingly accurate throwing arm loves to eat sunflower seeds!
Here’s hoping.
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by iglew on
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He'll probably get drafted by the Yankees
Then you’ll have to hate him
by Faust on
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Some minor leaguer
was traded for 10 maple bats a few weeks ago because of issues with his passport (he was traded to a Calgary team)
witty remark
by dtownmbrown on
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I'm starting a petition to keep you from transforming our petition into a poll
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by Cutthemullet on
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I subtract one signature from that petition too
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on
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That would explain the people who say "-1"
I still haven’t figured out the ones who say “+10” (or more), though. Do you really think you are 10 people? Or do you just figure you’re allowed to vote 10 times?
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by iglew on
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+1.1
I agree with that 110%.
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by andeux on
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-10
i vote multiple times because i have a lot of zeal for democracy
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by xbhaskarx on
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you should be the Mark Penn for ex-MLB'ers who run for office
Zeile—for Democracy!
If we can’t fix the stupid, can we at least beat them senseless? @('.')@
by monkeyball on
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the idea for the yankees duo of pitcher is crazy
they cant even last 2 innings in the majors. out of the trio of yankees “top prospect” the only one billy beane and co. will be looking at is Joba.
by Wreckonized on Jun 15, 2008 11:51 PM PDT 0 recs
once again I will say
No, no, no, and one more time….....
: No fucking way you trade Rich Harden now!
End of discussion….......at least from my perspective.
Go A”’s!!!!!
by mrod on Jun 16, 2008 12:08 AM PDT 0 recs
Harden is difficult to value
What is Rich Harden worth?
This is one of those obvious, but tricky, questions that would make me uneasy as a general manager.
When he’s hurt, which is most of the time, Harden doesn’t seem worth much more than a few A-ball minor leaguers.
When he’s not, Harden seems too valuable to trade, or worth more than any sane team would be willing to spend. (Even at his best, Harden’s inability to pitch deep into games is a liability.)
My guess, and it’s only a guess, is that the A’s probably end up holding onto him and hoping he is healthy for a playoff run, and even the playoffs themselves, in 2009.
But if some playoff contender wants a dominant pitcher and is willing to give up enough, I wouldn’t be surprised at all if he were dealt. Keep it in mind during the good times: Rich Harden is Made of Glass.
by bear88 on Jun 16, 2008 12:33 AM PDT 0 recs
the liability you cite...
isn’t as much of an issue, or shouldn’t be as much of an issue, with Gaudin in the pen. And that’s just the 3rd-starter-caliber-long-reliever…basically, with the bullpen as deep as it is, it doesn’t matter.
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by Cutthemullet on
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It's why he's so pretty.
"God doesn't pay attention to your cute little hypotheticals." -- Jeff from LL
by oblique on
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imminent, my friend, imminent
And as a long-time Harden backer, I hope this is not the case, barring some really good return. I’ll read the other comments before I judge if the potential returns are good….
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by Cutthemullet on Jun 16, 2008 1:05 AM PDT 0 recs
Count me among those
Who hope we can get something for Harden before he breaks down again.
Watching him is some of the most fun I have as a baseball fan. It’s beautiful pitching, really. But he’s proven time and again that he’ll never hold up, so if someone else wants to gamble on Harden and give us a nice return for our troubles, I’m all for it.
RagingHarden: Yeah if you get 20 starts out of me I'll be shocked. Like, I'll wreck my drawers.
by walk off bunt on Jun 16, 2008 1:20 AM PDT 0 recs
given your longtime sig
I’m absolutely shocked by this post.
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by Cutthemullet on
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From Gammon's Blog:
“A call came in Sunday morning that said, “Billy Beane has the single most important piece to trade to win the World Series. But the question is, how many songs do you let Slowhand play before a string breaks.” Hello, Rich Harden. Beane is right—Harden is the most dominant pitcher in the American League right now. Nine starts; the last time he had more than that was 2005. Seven quality starts. 11.31 strikeouts per nine innings. 53.1 innings pitched, 40 hits allowed. Has started against Boston twice, the Angels, Detroit and Atlanta once. He has a career 35-18 record, but he’s had a career in which his starts have gone from 31 to 22 to nine to seven before 2008.
Beane’s Athletics are a fascinating team, especially as Eric Chavez, Santiago Casilla, Joey Davine and Ryan Sweeney get healthy. They have a $47 million payroll, and Beane is trying to reconstruct another five-year run; he’ll be in the Dominican Republic this week to see free agent right-handed pitcher Michel Inoa, which would be the equivalent of signing a top 10 draft pick. Beane has made it clear whether it’s Harden or Joe Blanton, Bobby Crosby or Mark Ellis that his store is always open.”
by Asfan4ever723 on Jun 16, 2008 1:45 AM PDT 0 recs
ty, ty
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Re Boston twice...
I liked Francona’s quote after the second start…something like, we’ve seen enough of that guy
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Francona on Harden
“He’s got as good as stuff as anybody in the league,” Red Sox manager Terry Francona said. “He gets into some fastball counts and doesn’t give you a fastball. We’ve seen him too much. We don’t need to face him every other game. I hope he’s not going to come back and pitch Sunday.”
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great thing about that is...
Duke’s no-hit bid was the day after Harden’s start. Maybe Francona should’ve wanted Harden to pitch again
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by Cutthemullet on
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and...
well, since he did say every other day and not every day, Oakland did win Sunday, too, though I forget who pitched. If I remember correctly Boston still only scored 3 runs, though. Pitching staff full of Rich Hardens, I guess we can afford to trade one of them.
"Behind both goals were banners bearing the word 'Calamity' while another carried the warning: 'You will drown in the Bosphorous.'"--Threats made by Turkish soccer fans to the British from a match in 2003. I dug these out as a tribute to their miraculous comeback against Czech Rep. in Euro 2008. Nihat!
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by Cutthemullet on
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Re quality starts
One of the two non-quality starts was his first start back from injury, which was a blatantly non-quality start. Subtract that and see what stats you’re left with…
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by Cutthemullet on
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Re Beane's "store"
With that inventory, it’s clearly Neiman Marcus and Wal-Mart under one roof.
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Re Michel Inoa
This guy must be from a Haitian bordertown…”Michel”? Speaking of prospects I know nothing about, anyone happen to be in the know about the 3B who recently defected from Cuba? ESPN dedicated some bottom-line space to announcing his arrival in the US, and he’s only 19, but with national team experience, so I figure he has to have some ability. Then again, where have Kendry Morales or Danys Baez been lately….
the city dumps fill
the junkyards fill
the madhouses fill
the hospitals fill
the graveyards fill
nothing else
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by Cutthemullet on
Jun 16, 2008 2:04 AM PDT
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Or maybe Galician?
Michel Salgado, Spanish footballer, is Galician, I think.
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by iglew on
Jun 16, 2008 3:16 PM PDT
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Inoa is a big, big deal
He’s the kind of guy who, if he was a US high schooler, would be getting talked up as the potential #1 overall pick in his draft class (which would be, I believe, 2010).
The fact that the A’s are even in the discussion is kind of a watershed moment for the franchise.
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by PaulThomas on
Jun 16, 2008 3:54 PM PDT
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Thanks
I must have missed this post in my frustrations. Thanks for giving us the info.
by Sacpike on
Jun 16, 2008 8:56 AM PDT
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I honestly think the best idea is to trade Harden
I hate to say that because he really is a once-in-a-generation kind of pitcher when healthy. But, as a fan, I’m committed 100 percent to rebuilding this team into a year in and year out contender for many years. Harden can bring so very much in return from a team like Boston or the Yankees or Detroit. And at most the A’s have him for what, a year and a half now? Why not continue to load up the system with guys who will be part of the greatness of the green and gold over the long term?
It’s tough because I do think the A’s best chance of competing right now and next year is to have a healthy Harden. But you just never know if it’s going to continue with his health. So deal him. But only if you get a remarkable haul of talent.
Nice diary and something that I was going to write about myself today. I’ll put this on the FP.
by Blez on Jun 16, 2008 8:38 AM PDT 0 recs
never, ever trade Harden to the Yanks or the BoSox...
having Harden pitching twice against the A’s in ALCS’s over the next 5 years means we will never see an ALDS. I don’t care how many “prospects” you get back from those evil empires! If Beane is going to trade him, it should be to an NL team. Maybe the Marlins. If it is to an AL team, it should be the Rays, so they can torment the Yanks and Sox for years to come.
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by FoolshGame22 on
Jun 16, 2008 8:45 AM PDT
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haha...
“pitching twice in ALDS’s” and “never see an ALCS.” Doh!
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