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Blanton, A's Need A Win-Win Trade

Put me in the camp who says Joe Blanton has pitched "well enough to win" this year. No, he has not lived up to hopes and expectations, mostly due to an out-of-the-blue tendency to offset five solid innings of work with a lousy 6th. But the problem isn't that Blanton isn't pitching well enough to win. The problem is that he isn't pitching well enough to win for a team like the A's.

Blanton is generally going to pitch deep into games and will give his team a great chance to win if they can score 3-5 runs. He is not, however, going to win a lot of 2-1 games. So on the A's, he often pitches "just well enough to lose," whereas on a team with a good offense but a weak rotation and/or bullpen, Blanton could be a tremendous addition.

The goal of a trade isn't actually to fleece the other team, it is to help both teams. The idea isn't to pawn your overrated players onto a team willing to accidentally give you their most underrated players, because this rarely happens. The idea is to identify trades whose players, by swapping, can serve their new team more than they served their old team.

On a team like the Tigers or Indians, Yankees or Red Sox, Brewers, Braves, or Cardinals, Blanton could be an outstanding performer, winning the games he is consistently losing for Oakland and greatly improving his team's rotation - and we have seen, up close and personal, how important starting pitching is to keeping a team competitive.

I don't think the A's should trade Blanton because he's 3-9. I think a team should acquire Blanton because for them he might be closer to 9-3 for them right now. So why is Blanton still here? Probably not because Beane wants to keep him so much as because other teams don't realize how effective he might be, as is, for them.

In other news...I'm fine with it if the A's decide to go with three left-handed hitting OFers because in Buck, Gonzalez, and R. Sweeney, you have players who are 22-23 years old who are far too young to become platoon players. They need either to learn how to hit lefties well at the major league level or show the A's that they cannot be played full-time, and 2008 is the year to figure this out. Even adding Cust (and Thomas) to the equation, there's enough playing time to go around, with occasional days off for each, injuries, pinch-hitting, and so on. Just let them start against LHP and take their lumps if need be. The alternative is Emil Brown, and the upgrade is marginal, offset by the defense, baserunning, and lack of long-term potential.

Finally...why don't the A's activate Frank Thomas today and send Calero packing? Wouldn't you rather have Thomas available, for each of the next six games, for the late AB of your choice instead of having Calero sitting around for emergency mop-up duty? How nice would it have been to have Thomas on the bench when Suzuki faced Wang on Friday night? I would love to have Thomas waiting to face Taschner or Hinshaw in a key situation. I don't need to have Calero approaching Bowen with a pack of playing cards, looking for a third and fourth for bridge because they serve no other meaningful purpose.

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The flaw in this argument

and it’s a small one, Nico—is the fact that this season there are a lot more 2-1 games because scoring is down. So Blanton’s numbers—mediocre as they decidedly are for this season—are being seen in a different light. Hence, IMHO, the difficulty in Beane moving him.

That said, a team like the Brewers makes a lot of sense. They do mash. With Soriano out the division title, while still remote, is not totally out of reach, and the WC is clearly within reach. We probably can’t get LaPorta for Blanton—- but maybe the next best thing.

I agree with you about the OF (Is Cunningham a righty bat? Are we all going to say: “Heyyyyyyyyyy, Cunningham!” in our best Henry Winkler impression when he comes up? Has Moneyball jumped the shark?) let ‘em play. Just seems like half the league’s starters are lefty these days, but they’ll come a stretch where they won’t be.

by madmongoose on Jun 13, 2008 8:51 AM PDT   0 recs

Heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!

Cunningham is right-handed.

And I agree with you on Thomas—totally. We need the righty bat off the bench more than a lousy mop up guy out of the pen.

by madmongoose on Jun 13, 2008 8:55 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

My thinking is that the Brewers, with Braun, Fielder, et al,

could lose someone like Corey Hart and vastly improve by bolstering their wobbly rotation. While the A’s would improve greatly to add a good right-handed bat. Same with Carlos Guillen (I’ll find a place for him to play!), or a solid AAA prospect, etc. I just think there are teams out there who would improve a lot by trading a right-handed hitter / hitting prospect for Blanton because they can hit but don’t have the depth they need in the rotation to compete.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jun 13, 2008 8:56 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It just sure would help

If he put two or three solid starts in a row together.

by madmongoose on Jun 13, 2008 8:59 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Actually, C. Guillen is a bad example

because I have no idea where he WOULD play.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jun 13, 2008 9:00 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I have no idea where any new A's hitting prospect would play

The outfield and DH are already crowded with prospects and/or the team’s actual good hitters. The rest of the infield has established starting players. The only position where there’s some prospect of a direct improvement is at catcher, and even there you’re blocking Suzuki and, once his BABIP comes around, Landon Powell.

No, the only way a Blanton trade makes sense is if it’s a straightforward rebuilding trade—MLB players for prospects. And right now that’s just not very likely.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Jun 13, 2008 9:55 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

At the expense of a lesser prospect we already have.

If it means getting a young player that can mash now, such as Corey Hart, Travis Buck can go shag fly balls in Midland (or be included in the Blanton deal).

So it goes.

by jeepers on Jun 13, 2008 2:48 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah.

"The two of them deserve each other. One's a born liar, the other's convicted."

by SwampyD on Jun 13, 2008 3:10 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I would love Corey Hart on this team...

wait and see between Sweeney and Buck who really pans out

witty remark

by dtownmbrown on Jun 14, 2008 10:11 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Would you love trading Cahill, Doolittle and Devine for him?

I wouldn’t.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Jun 14, 2008 11:57 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I wasn't suggesting trading any of them for him, I was thinking more along the lines of

whoever was posting about trading Big Joe to the Brewers.

I know we couldn’t do that straight up but the thought of having him on our team seems nice enough for me to post about it.

witty remark

by dtownmbrown on Jun 14, 2008 1:22 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

If the deal on the table was

Blanton and Street for Corey Hart, who would say no? Probably the A’s, right? Yet add Hart to our lineup, in the OF alongside Gonzalez, R. Sweeney and Buck, replace Blanton in the rotation with Gaudin and replace Street with Casilla, A. Brown, Devine, Embree, Foulke, and Ziggy, and the A’s look pretty solid for 2008 and beyond.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jun 14, 2008 5:26 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Especially considering the fact that the A's

don’t value closers enough to resign Street and Blanton seems the more expendable of the two considering we have more than enough to choose from for a replacement, yes, Corey Hart would be awesome to get out of those 2…PLUS, we probably wouldn’t trade a guy like Doolittle to the Brew Crew because they have Fielder and LaPorta, right?

witty remark

by dtownmbrown on Jun 16, 2008 12:55 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Could not agree more on Thomas

Calero adds nothing, while Thomas would be available to pinch hit. Should be a no-brainer.

Might as well Jump! - Van Halen

by sprtsnwyn on Jun 13, 2008 8:56 AM PDT   0 recs

+1

We need the big hurt to inspire fear in pitchers and crush some RBIs for us. Calero has outlived his usefulness.

Green Hulk Fists

by oaklandSMASH on Jun 13, 2008 3:24 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

the gambler says...

let Bowen get some pinch-AB’s.

somebody should let him out of the closet for some fresh air.

"You have to have a catcher or you'll have all passed balls."- Casey Stengel

by Gaijin_Suketto on Jun 13, 2008 4:12 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Roster thoughts

I like the idea of bring Thomas up as a PH. Also, I don’t have a problem going with 11 pitchers until Castila gets back.

I think Buck should be sent down (Provided the team believe it needs 2 back up infielders)

Why Buck?

1- There isn’t enough playing time for him. We won’t have Cust as DH probably for rest of year as the next 6 games have no Dh and Thomas will be back. Thus, Cust is back in LF. This leaves 2 spots in OF. Well, R. Sweeney and Gonzalez have played better than Buck. Davis’ spot is one that would not lead to Buck’s development. Buck needs to be playing baseball, not sitting on the bench, which he and Brown would be doing if he stayed on the team.

2- Brown should stay over Buck because he has better production and is right handed. He will probably see a major drop in playing time. I think he will get dumped eventually most likely when M. Sweeney gets back as his benefit of being a right handed PH are diluted.

by Yellowhorse on Jun 13, 2008 9:04 AM PDT   0 recs

Did you even look up the production numbers

before making your case for Brown over Buck?

Buck’s OPS for June is .724
Brown’s (while limited playing time) is .542

Emil has looked horrible for a veteran player, while Buck is still in his first full year. Designate Brown.

"The two of them deserve each other. One's a born liar, the other's convicted."

by SwampyD on Jun 13, 2008 9:30 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

btw

I realize Buck’s OPS is slugging heavy, but still….Buck doesn’t need to be jerked up and down between Sac any more than Barton does, ya dig?

"The two of them deserve each other. One's a born liar, the other's convicted."

by SwampyD on Jun 13, 2008 9:31 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Why send down Barton?

He had a bad May, but he’s rebounded in June with a .306/.390/.472 line.

by VORP is too nerdy on Jun 13, 2008 12:39 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Kind of what I was inferring

neither of them need to be sent up and down.

"The two of them deserve each other. One's a born liar, the other's convicted."

by SwampyD on Jun 13, 2008 1:02 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

So Buck is better off on the A's bench then playing everyday at AAA

I think Brown and Buck both have been poor performers that’s why they both should be on the bench when R. Sweeney returns. (LF- Cust, CF- Gonzalez, RF- R. Sweeney as starters).

Putting Buck in the line-up would move Cust, gonzalez or R. Sweeney (all-young, all more productive) to the bench.

Brown would be better off as a reserve over Buck because he is Right handed and would not see his ‘development’ harmed by sitting.

As to Barton, I have advocated benching him when M. Sweeney was healthy. Right now I would be for making a trade to bring someone in to play 1b. I would definately send Barton down or to the bench if M. Sweeney was healthy.

As to production, I don’t place everything on OPS. There are other offensive stats that show that Brown is better than Buck. Buck is hitting under .200. That still counts in my book. I don’t dismiss Brown’s RBIs or think the numbers should be looked at for just one month.

In about 2 hours it won’t matter what I think they will make a move and I will support the A’s no matter what

by Yellowhorse on Jun 13, 2008 1:46 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

how

can you use the logic that for developmental you can’t rotate Sweeney, Buck, Gonzalez and Cust (when not DHing) but you can rotate Barton in and out to play Mike Sweeney?

"The two of them deserve each other. One's a born liar, the other's convicted."

by SwampyD on Jun 13, 2008 2:25 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I am not for rotating in Buck with Gonzalez and Sweeney.

I am for playing Gonzalez and Sweeney as much as possible. Rotating in Buck would just take one of the two young productive hitters out of the line-up and replacing them with a player who is hitting much worse.

I don’t know where you saw that I was in favor of playing Barton. I think he has been a major drain on the offense. Back in May and April I was calling for M. Sweeney to play more. If M. Sweeney’s injury was season ending I would have made a trade to replace Barton. However, since Mike Sweeney will be back in July they might as well keep Barton or start Hannahan at 1B.

by Yellowhorse on Jun 13, 2008 3:30 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The question

is how can you be in favor of getting Buck the most playing time as possible (whether at AAA or in the Majors) but not Barton?

"The two of them deserve each other. One's a born liar, the other's convicted."

by SwampyD on Jun 13, 2008 3:34 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

If we had a bunch of guys who could play 1B at majors level then

I would say the same about Barton.

Once M. Sweeney returns I would say send Barton down. They could use Hannahan as a back-up to M. Sweeney.

Heck, if the Big Hurt could play some 1B I would do it.

I am for the team starting the best hitters possible. I think we will have a pretty good line-up once Thomas gets back, even better with an upgrade at 1B

by Yellowhorse on Jun 13, 2008 3:43 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

MSweeney...

...isn’t durable enough to play the field on a regular basis.

You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all. ~Earl Weaver

by UncleLeo on Jun 13, 2008 5:44 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

you are really missing

the goal of this season. It’s to get these guys to grow as much as possible, and Barton appears to be turning it around….why would you send him down? For one, Sweeney isn’t durable enough to be a starting 1B anymore, and 2, Barton loses a year of MLB experience if he isn’t in the lineup. He has nothing to prove at AAA anymore, if he goes down to Sac it’s just another year he’s going to struggle in Oakland.

Either you haven’t watched the A’s for the past 9-10 years or you’ve learned nothing from doing so.

"The two of them deserve each other. One's a born liar, the other's convicted."

by SwampyD on Jun 13, 2008 6:53 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

OK

Are you familiar with the name “Chris Carter”?

How about “Sean Doolittle”?

You may know them as “the two A’s prospects with the most home runs in the season to date.” They are also first basemen.

Trading for a first baseman would be a catastrophically stupid move. Like, half the frigging prospects in the A’s system play first base. Bad enough that you’re apparently willing to punt on a 22-year-old because of, essentially, one terrible month. You’d also be punting on the best hitters in the farm system.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Jun 13, 2008 4:08 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Nico...

You have such a good head for baseball. All of your points above are spot on. As for Joe, it is very curious to me that his value hasn’t been evaluated properly.

by IM4Oakgal on Jun 13, 2008 9:07 AM PDT   0 recs

He's not evaluated properly

because a lot of the traditional baseball minds still use W-L record as a judgment of how effective someone can be. That and Blanton is really a control righty. He would be a very good addition to any team but that record has to scare off some guys so I’m betting Beane isn’t getting great offers.

The other question becomes, if Harden stays healthy (knocks on wood), then do you deal him for a boatload of prospects? I imagine he would bring back a ton if he can prove he can stay healthy.

by Blez on Jun 13, 2008 9:30 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It would be hard to say no...

if a boatload of prospects were offered. Even if Harden stays healthy this season … You have to worry that the problem with his shoulder will raise it’s ugly head again next year. I bet Beane would snap up a bunch of promising prospects.

by IM4Oakgal on Jun 13, 2008 9:34 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Why are we saying

Blanton hasn’t been evaluated properly again? Because he has yet to be traded?

"The two of them deserve each other. One's a born liar, the other's convicted."

by SwampyD on Jun 13, 2008 9:36 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm guessing because he wasn't dealt this last offseason

that a lot of teams offered players for him…just not nearly enough.

by Blez on Jun 13, 2008 9:41 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Just to play Devil's Advocate here

That could just as easily mean that Beane is not evaluating him properly. Perhaps Beane is asking for too much.

by BlameChannel53 on Jun 13, 2008 9:44 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

yup

Is it prurient? I don’t know what to tell you. I think it’s odd and interesting. It’s part of life. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jun 13, 2008 9:48 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

he'll get what he's asking for

July 31st

"The two of them deserve each other. One's a born liar, the other's convicted."

by SwampyD on Jun 13, 2008 9:50 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

yeah, if he's asking for what he got in the Kendall deal

OK, hyperbole.

But he’s not going to get what he was offered last year, let alone what he was/is asking for.

Is it prurient? I don’t know what to tell you. I think it’s odd and interesting. It’s part of life. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jun 13, 2008 10:12 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

ah but I disagree

"The two of them deserve each other. One's a born liar, the other's convicted."

by SwampyD on Jun 13, 2008 10:24 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

fair 'nuff

I got no problem with out-and-out disagreements.

But I am curious as to your reasoning.

Is it prurient? I don’t know what to tell you. I think it’s odd and interesting. It’s part of life. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jun 13, 2008 11:02 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Because

that’s why.

Actually I don’t feel like Joe’s value has diminished that significantly. Granted his K/BB (should improve at least a bit), WHIP and BAA are all up from last year….

the Braves made a bid earlier this season and as the deadline approaches their offer may be sweetened and hopefully opens some bidding competition. You know how it works

"The two of them deserve each other. One's a born liar, the other's convicted."

by SwampyD on Jun 13, 2008 11:11 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

so ...

His idiot/non-Moneyball/old-school stats are down from last year.

And his peripherals are down from last year.

And he has one fewer year of cost containment/control.

And Beane is developing somewhat of a (deserved or not) rep as wringing all the good innings out of his starters before trading them.

And Beane was asking the moon, stars, and recently downgraded planetary objects for him last year.

And offense is down this year, putting more of a premium on hitters than pitchers.

How, exactly, does that compute to Beane getting more this year than he would have last year?

Is it prurient? I don’t know what to tell you. I think it’s odd and interesting. It’s part of life. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jun 13, 2008 11:28 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm saying that *gasp* Beane knows what he's doing.

And what pitchers has he wrung all the innings out of? Do you really think that’s Barry Zito’s problem or are you referring to Mark Mulder who went over 220 innings twice in his career? Tim Hudson seems to be fine…..We all go through puberty and hey, some pitchers get injured.

Or are we going back to the all the theory that humans have devolved to developing weaker arms in the past 20 years/since we’ve been counting pitches?

"The two of them deserve each other. One's a born liar, the other's convicted."

by SwampyD on Jun 13, 2008 11:40 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

please note the parenthetic

I don’t think he’s wrung innings out of pitchers—but that he’s getting a rep for having done so, right or wrong, impacts his public persona and his bargaining position when trying to deal a starting pitcher with a lot of innings under his belt. (I’d guess that the shrewder GMs would not believe the allegation, but would use it as a negotiating point.)

And if that’s your only objection to my argument …

Is it prurient? I don’t know what to tell you. I think it’s odd and interesting. It’s part of life. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jun 13, 2008 12:00 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

But you DON'T KNOW what he was offered last year

Please link some article where someone with some reputability actually says what was offered, as opposed a wish list some fan or reporter conjectured that we ought to be able to get.

I’ll agree his value hasn’t improved since last summer, but I also don’t know (and I suspect you don’t know) exactly what that value was as measured in concrete offers from other GMs.

by Faust on Jun 13, 2008 1:18 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

no, of course I don't

Is it prurient? I don’t know what to tell you. I think it’s odd and interesting. It’s part of life. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jun 13, 2008 1:21 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

then how can you.........ugh sigh.

"The two of them deserve each other. One's a born liar, the other's convicted."

by SwampyD on Jun 13, 2008 1:56 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't know what he was offered last year ...

... but I guarantee he’ll get less this year

Is it prurient? I don’t know what to tell you. I think it’s odd and interesting. It’s part of life. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jun 13, 2008 2:55 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

lols

"The two of them deserve each other. One's a born liar, the other's convicted."

by SwampyD on Jun 13, 2008 3:10 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes,

But I am going to guess it’s because Beane is asking more than teams want to give up.

I think he isn't changing what he's asking since the Winter, because he knows the heat's going to be on some of these GM's to make a deal for pitching come the deadline. He's probably had his sights on this year's deadline to move Joe since last year's passed.

"The two of them deserve each other. One's a born liar, the other's convicted."

by SwampyD on Jun 13, 2008 9:47 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't know what happened there

But the jist is what Monkeyball said, to move Blanton, Beane has had his sights set on this year’s trading deadline since last year’s passed. The heat’s really going to be on for some GM’s to pick up some pitching, and they’re going to be pressured to give up more than they would have this winter. Let’s face it, Blanton IS going to get moved this time.

"The two of them deserve each other. One's a born liar, the other's convicted."

by SwampyD on Jun 13, 2008 9:49 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

if you indent a line one space

that is what happens. Look what happens with a space before “before”

before I write "before"

"I never predict anything, and I never will." Paul Gascoigne, English footballer

by One won lost won on Jun 13, 2008 10:25 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Brilliant! Thanks.

"The two of them deserve each other. One's a born liar, the other's convicted."

by SwampyD on Jun 13, 2008 10:49 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

on the other hand, maybe he *has* been evaluated properly

Not by W/L, but by possible widespread opinion that Blanton last year was pretty much already at his ceiling, that Beane significantly overvalued him last year in trade talks, that Beane may be getting a rep as a GM that squeezes innings out of his starters before trading them just when they’re about to hit a wall, and that his control game with no margin for error could/would eventually catch up to him?

Blanton on a team with a better offense wouldn’t be any better of a pitcher. He’d just possibly have more wins. And he’d still be giving up a ton of walks/hits/runs in the 5th/6th/7th innings and running his pitch count up.

Beane missed his opportunity. Sure, if someone gets desperate, Beane should pull the trigger. But I think that’s awfully unlikely at this point. Nico’s argument actually mitigates against trading Blanton, because, real pitching performance aside, his value is at a nadir right now.

Is it prurient? I don’t know what to tell you. I think it’s odd and interesting. It’s part of life. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jun 13, 2008 9:47 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

A thousand times yes

I said earlier this year that I wouldn’t even ask for a Haren-esque deal for Harden; that a Swisher-esque deal would do. And I stick by that. We all love Harden on the rare occasions when he strings together 3 or 4 starts, but why hold on to a player that everyone agrees can’t be counted on going into every season when you could instead have 3 quality-to-star-potential prospects?

I love Rich. But I’m done with him.

President and CEO of the Ryan Sweeney Apologists Consortium

by Joey C. on Jun 13, 2008 12:46 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I couldn't disagree more

“Traditional baseball minds” or not, Blanton is not being evaluated by his 3-9 record., It’s all the other metrics that place him at or near the bottom third in the AL among starters this year that are holding up a deal. He simply isn’t enough of a difference maker—IN A YEAR WHEN SCORING IS DOWN—to get what the A’s want for him.

by madmongoose on Jun 13, 2008 12:46 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

You don’t need to be Bill James to know not to evaluate a starter based on wins and losses.

Brainless Automaton #439

by rubin sierra on Jun 13, 2008 2:30 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

No, no, and again..no!

Sorry, I am not in the “Trading Harden for a boatload of prospects” camp.

He stays here, especially if healthy. Perod!!!!!

by mrod on Jun 13, 2008 12:56 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

You do realize

that he’s going to be leaving in a year and a half anyway, right?

I mean, I suppose Oakland could sound him out about taking an extension with incentives-based salaries, but Harden does not strike me as the kind of guy who would take a “hometown discount.”

It just seems like most of the pro-Harden camp is simply unwilling to come to grips with the reality that he will be a free agent, and not an Oakland A, after 2009.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Jun 13, 2008 1:39 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think

I would like to have harden extended. Maybe even with a risky guarantee. I can’t say what the cap would be, If he’s OK, you got Santana. If not you’ve got Loaiza.

But You’re rght, I Expect HArden to go for the big money.

by Future Ed on Jun 13, 2008 1:47 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

At some point soon

we’re going to be able to keep some of the players we assume are goners because of free agency. I’m not saying Harden’s one of them-I think he’s about a year too early-but it’s on the horizon.

So it goes.

by jeepers on Jun 13, 2008 2:50 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Some, yes, but they have to be players you actually WANT to keep

Even if the A’s had an extra $10 million to play with, I wouldn’t advise them using that money to keep Joe Blanton or Bobby Crosby.

The A’s cannot afford to pay Harden Carl Pavano money for Carl Pavano production.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Jun 13, 2008 3:20 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

How do you know thomas is ready to come back?

The A’s website says that he’s going to a Dr. in Vegas today. If he’s less than 100% it doesn’t make a lot of sense to bring back a DH for inter-league play, IMO.

Also, if you switch thomas for calero, what do you do when Casilla is ready to come back? I think I would rather switch Brown for Thomas, only if Thomas is ready and then switch Calero for Casilla.

"Last night, Darth Vader came down from planet Vulcan and told me that if I didn't take Lorraine out that he'd melt my brain." - George McFly

by GreenAndGoldFish on Jun 13, 2008 9:41 AM PDT   0 recs

Why not Thomas for Calero and Casilla for Brown?

Of course neither Frank nor Santiago is healthy so it’s moot.

by WaddellCanseco on Jun 13, 2008 9:48 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I guess the question isn't who do you want

it’s who do you want to get rid of. Personally I would rather have another arm in the bullpen, even a mediocre arm, than a mediocre 5th outfielder.

"Last night, Darth Vader came down from planet Vulcan and told me that if I didn't take Lorraine out that he'd melt my brain." - George McFly

by GreenAndGoldFish on Jun 13, 2008 9:52 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

yes

Designate Brown. he sucks

"The two of them deserve each other. One's a born liar, the other's convicted."

by SwampyD on Jun 13, 2008 9:54 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm so glad we get to have this conversation again

and now that Blanton did what he always does again….most of us are seeing the light.

"The two of them deserve each other. One's a born liar, the other's convicted."

by SwampyD on Jun 13, 2008 9:52 AM PDT   0 recs

Most of us have an accurate picture of Blanton.

We always have. We know what to expect from him when he is on the mound.

by IM4Oakgal on Jun 13, 2008 9:55 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

4 ERs in 6+ innings

if that’s what he “always does”—is of course not acceptable.

Listen he’s still in or near the bottom 3rd of starting pitchers in the AL in ERA+ this year—wonder why Beane can’t move him? Look no further than that stat. And it’s not an idiot, non-Moneyball, W/L stat.

by madmongoose on Jun 13, 2008 12:40 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs