A's Attendance Woes
Attendance, attendance attendance...here we go again. Attendance this year at the Coliseum has continued to be a sore point despite a surprisingly competitive (yet everchanging) team that is sent to play night in and night out; one that is within spitting distance of first place. There've been articles recently regarding the A's home attendance slump this year and this most recent one, as well as past articles highlight a few points that may be reasons casual fans are staying home:
1.The departures of Swish and Haren this past off season.
Sure, this was tough for everyone. Trading these two went a long way in anonymizing this team as did the Scutaro trade prior to these. Who were we left with to really root for? Chavez, Crosby, Harden? Yeah...no. Ellis? I love the guy as much as the next person and think he may have been the most valuable player for the past couple of years for his stellar defence and consistency but he doesn't really make me feel all warm and fuzzy. How about Jack Cust ...not so much. We were all waiting for Blanton and Street to be delt so that pretty much ruled them out. That basically left Travis Buck and Daric Barton to fill that void. Barton's time with the big club last year was a nice surprise but that was all of 18 games and Buck, when he was healthy, really tailed off as the year went on. And then there's Bob Geren . Enough said.
Has the casual fan given up on the A's due to the departures of great players the likes of Tejada, Giambi, Dye, Mulder, Zito, Hudson, etc.?
2. The faltering economy.
This one hurts everyone in just about every business, however certain areas of the country namely the Northwest and Bay Area are feeling the effects much less than most other areas. Attendance is down all over baseball but some teams in good positions are drawing very, very poorly like the A's, Marlins, Rays and Rangers. Dont' forget, the Rangers are right on our heels. The A's average attendance this year is 18,968 and it wasn't too long ago when we weren't selling out playoff games. The Giants average attendance this year is 33,708 and they watch a far inferior team with almost no hope but they do get to watch them in a far superior satdium, which brings me to my next point:
3. The Coliseum
I remember one writer some time ago refer to it as looking like a post nuclear apocolypse version of a ballpark, or something to that effect. No one can deny the fact that it really does look like a concrete turd and there really isn't much in the way of amenities to be had once inside the stadium.
I live in Chicago where there's the Oh So Mighty Cubs and then the white sox. Both teams are in first place in their respective divisions but much like the Bay Area one team can do no wrong and the other is an afterthought. Much like the Giants fans, many Cubs fans know little to nothing about baseball (not nearly to the extent as Giants fans, they're on another level) and most Sox fans are die hard. My friends that are Sox fans point to the stadium issue as a big reason for the Cubs bias that goes on here and just about everywhere else. Wrigley field is located right in the heart of the north side (aptly named Wrigleyville), surrounded by numerous bars, restaurants and night clubs all shrouded in Cubs flags and paraphernalia. Whereas U.S. Cellular field (nicknamed The Cell) is in an industrial area of the south side that doesn't really have much to offer other than the ball park itself much like The Coliseum in Oakland. Most Cubs games sell out and Sox games aren't even close.
So what do you guys think? Why aren't people showing up to the games in Oakland? What are the main issues as to why the seats only fill up when the Red Sox are in town? As I said before, I'm in Chicago and looking at it from an outside perspective.
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means never having to say you’re sorry about attendance. tarp. fremont.
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by oakath on Jun 12, 2008 5:24 PM PDT 0 recs
owner publicly slagging current facility
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by monkeyball on
Jun 12, 2008 6:00 PM PDT
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Two teams in town.
Mesozoic Era stadium.
Rebuilding year.
Crappy broadcasting deals.
Crappy marketing.
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by Ozzz on
Jun 13, 2008 3:18 AM PDT
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Ditto
Ditto
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by Threepwood XX on
Jun 12, 2008 5:46 PM PDT
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beautiful, indeed...
it will be sold out for a solid decade!
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by FoolshGame22 on
Jun 12, 2008 6:31 PM PDT
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Wanna bet?
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by FreeSeatUpgrade on
Jun 12, 2008 6:35 PM PDT
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an earring piercing?
;-)
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by FoolshGame22 on
Jun 12, 2008 6:41 PM PDT
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hell yeah
that’s what I’m talkin about. Sweeet.
by sf drift king on
Jun 13, 2008 3:41 AM PDT
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What the hell is hovering over the top of the stadium?
It looks like a chain linked fence? Is it clear plexiglass? Regardless of what it is, is its purpose to keep fans dry or stop balls from leaving the stadium? Whatever the purpose, it’s God-awful and needs to go before it ever arrives.
Other than that (as well as the location), I approve. The surrounding area reminds me of Camden Yards, which is beautiful.
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by RyanFromBonas on
Jun 13, 2008 2:42 PM PDT
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I think that's a cut-away
The roof isn’t pictured so that you can see the seats below it.
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by PaulThomas on
Jun 13, 2008 3:08 PM PDT
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The Coliseum being a bad ballpark is a bunch of overrated malarkey.
While the concessions and gear aren’t well represented in the outfield… the inner portion of the Coliseum is just fine by my standards. I have been to several ballparks and this one has plenty of charm even if I do drink the Kool-Aid. However, I would have given anything to see it before Mt. Davis fucked up the view of the bay. That’s for sure.
I feel somewhat out of place to even post my opinion since I’m not from the area but it’s very disheartening to see the attendance every night. The Oakland area is a very loyal bunch even though there numbers aren’t always strong but life, in general, comes down to money. The economics are the only thing that matters to ownership these days and Gordon Gekko’s foreshadowing is eerily familiar in this instance.
I think it’s inevitable that the A’s have to move to Fremont or someplace else but that is only the case because of economics. If I had season tix for years, I would be very upset but I wouldn’t necessarily blame ownership for what they are doing. They are acting within their own rights and the local politicians seem very disinterested in their local constituents or might be acting on behalf of the majority of them.
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by ohtobe21likehuston on Jun 12, 2008 5:57 PM PDT 0 recs
When you say "view of the bay"
...do you mean “view of the rock quarry?” The stadium looks away from the bay and into the Oakland hills. Not the nicest part of the hills but, you’re right it was much, much better before the second coming of the Raiders.
by WhiteElephants on
Jun 13, 2008 12:18 AM PDT
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I'm a NRAF but have seen a lot of video footage of when Mt. Davis
wasn’t there. That is the worst idea I’ve ever seen when going from original specs to renovation or adding seats.
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by ohtobe21likehuston on
Jun 13, 2008 12:53 PM PDT
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They'd have been much better off
bowling it out in the outfield and throwing in the private boxes elsewhere (maybe along the fence line for a near ground level field view). Throwing up a huge monstrosity that isn’t good for either sport, bad idea.
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by DMOAS on
Jun 13, 2008 4:01 PM PDT
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You left out the part
about the ownership’s calculated alienation of fans who like cheap seats and the City of Oakland.
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by FreeSeatUpgrade on Jun 12, 2008 5:58 PM PDT 0 recs
you're alienated already?
Just wait ‘til Wolff converts to Statanism!
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by monkeyball on
Jun 12, 2008 6:01 PM PDT
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Yes, but as a hopeless codependent
I’ll probably brand an inverted Pythagorean star onto my bicep and keep showing up regardless. Albeit with scammed free tickets.
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by FreeSeatUpgrade on
Jun 12, 2008 6:04 PM PDT
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What's really needed here at AN
is a discussion among RAFs regarding specific reasons why each of us don’t go to more games.
The Coliseum has always offered terrible sightlines for watching baseball. Good grief, you sit in the 25th row directly off first base, how many feet are you horizontally from the foul line? That did not make so much difference when the seats in Section 112, Row 25 were maybe $15. But now those seats are $35 (or $40 for a “premium” game, i.e. Yankees). I have a much better seat from my living room couch, for no marginal cost. Granted, I pay Comcast more than $1000 per year for that seat, but Comcast is providing other services as well for that price. I would be paying that $1000 even if baseball shut down in yet another labor dispute.
The “old” Coliseum did offer good value and good sightlines from the pre-Mt. Davis bleachers. The current “bleachers” are some football seats that remain after enough other seats are moved away to permit a baseball field to be laid out. From most of the seats in the Mt. Davis area, you cannot see a substantial portion of the outfield. I would be willing to pay the current “bleacher” price of $13 ($15 “premium”) to sit in the old bleachers, but that option is not available.
In summation, I think live attendance at A’s baseball games at the Coliseum is a lousy value. I still go once in a while, out of loyalty, addiction, however you want to phrase it, but I’ll be in my living room tonight, and I’ll use the money on a Lake Tahoe trip this upcoming weekend.
OK, RAFs, here’s you’re opportunity. What is your reason for watching games on TV when you could be at the Coliseum?
by Soaker on Jun 12, 2008 6:21 PM PDT 0 recs
$8 beers add up quickly...
If one stays home and watches the game on TV, one can have a six pack of beer, a nicely grilled salmon filet and ice cream, all for less than you’d pay for a couple of beers and parking at the Coli; nevermind the price of the tickets.
And, you get instant replay.
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by FoolshGame22 on
Jun 12, 2008 6:38 PM PDT
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What you said
I just don’t really enjoy going to the Coliseum any more.
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by Flashfire on
Jun 12, 2008 8:22 PM PDT
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And I've been going to games since 1986.
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by Flashfire on
Jun 12, 2008 8:23 PM PDT
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The value question
The “seat quality per ticket dollar” curve got steep when Mt. Davis made the bleacher seats suck, it got a lot steeper when the upper deck was closed, then grew steeper still with the price hikes of the last two years. I think that’s the biggest part of the attendance drop: if a good clean view is a big part of why someone goes, they’re going less now.
Moreover, the savvy fan used to have lots of discount options to work around this. But the awesome old coupon sheets are now gone, kid tickets are proportionally pricier, and the various discounts have either been reduced (AAA) or changed to apply to only the more costly sections (like the ANG family packs and the Chevron BOGOs). On top of a capacity with like 60% fewer cheap seats than it used to have (the rest being tarped), the low-end really gets squeezed. I’d say that’s the second biggest cause of the attendance plunge.
(The third biggest cause I’d attribute to fan resentment of the relentless trashing of the Coliseum in and City of Oakland by ownership, but I’ll leave that aside now).
All this said: there are still really good values to be found at A’s games. I still go to lots of games. You just have to work for it, taking discounts where you can, going to $2 games, sniffing out freebies, never paying to park, eschewing all concessions, and finding your way to seats with good views (whether the exact ones printed on your ticket or not).
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by FreeSeatUpgrade on
Jun 12, 2008 9:44 PM PDT
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Couldn't agree more on all your points.
I still want to go, but when the value for the buck isn’t as good declines so rapidly and the economy tanking, really it’s much easier just to watch the game from home with all the amenities instead of spending $20 bucks on gas, $15+ on parking (instead of a really great meal or two) on top of whatever you spend on the game instead. For someone in the north bay, really you’re already spending upwards of $30 or more just to get to the Coliseum, let alone get in to watch the game.
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by DMOAS on
Jun 13, 2008 4:08 PM PDT
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Because I like watching games on TV more?
I think I’ve mentioned this before, but while an individual game is fine as an occasional social event or day trip, I have no desire to attend large numbers of games. Particularly not large numbers of night games, which are bloody cold and end so late that the entire evening is shot by the time I get home.
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by PaulThomas on
Jun 13, 2008 12:18 AM PDT
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I think this is the general sentiment of most fans here in the bay area
And really the weeknight games is where the A’s take the biggest hit in attendance and I think 2 factors come in to play:
1) The Weather: We have fantastic weather that not only allows us to enjoy more options with our entertainment dollar but it also spoils us (nothing personal Paul). In cold weather cities everyone spends so much time bundled up over the winter that once the summer comes they are dying to get outside in any way they can. Weekend, weekday, weeknight, it doesn’t matter. People jump at the opportunity to get out to a ballgame because outdoor activities are only an option for less than half the year.
2) Time Zones: Back east people are more geared to a late rise, late night, whereas out here folks are more geared to an early rise, early bed time. We have more early risers who have jobs, especially in finance, that demand they be in at 6AM when the market opens, whereas folks back east with the same job don’t have to be in until 9. And if I’m not mistaken, I believe San Francisco has significantly more jobs per capita in finance than Los Angeles does.
by GusanoQuemador on
Jun 13, 2008 12:05 PM PDT
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OTOH, bleacher seats at ATT ($33 on the Giaunts site for Sat night's game) seem to cost more than lower bowl infield at the Coli ($30).
Don’t know if the team jacked-up prices for our benefit or for weekends generally, but that’s a lot of money for the bleachers.
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by The Dogfather on
Jun 13, 2008 8:48 AM PDT
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Giants jack up the price for A's and Dodger games
As an apperence fee for being outnumbered by Giants fans over there, but by outcheering them.
Compare this series at AT&T to the midweek series against Detroit afterwards. The difference, espcially in the cheap seats is noticible. During the middle of the week, their cheapest tickets compare favorably with ours.
by VivaOakland on
Jun 13, 2008 12:21 PM PDT
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Cool part about A's games.
I was able to make it out from ATL to the coliseum for the first time in four years last Friday for the Angels game. I will say one thing, for the few fans that are there, the support is great. I swear almost every person in the stands has some sort of A’s shirt, jersey, jacket, or hat. I mean everyone has green. The few people that I did talk to had a good knowledge of the team as well. This is a huge contrast to the Braves here in ATL where you are lucky to see 5 Braves logos in an entire section. More on this later.
With that said, I had some sweet seats in section 121. Albeit expensive ones, but I can say I had no complaints. The problem with this is, when you start to head more down the baselines you get so dang far away from fair territory. It’s like you are so disconnected from the field it feels like you are watching it on tv. Couple that with the fact the outfield bleachers sit 20ft. off the playing field, there is really no sense of intimacy to the ballpark. You don’t quite get the same affect at the coliseum as in parks where you can see the players faces, here them chat, and the sounds are so much more defined. Also, the isles throughout the concourses are so dang narrow, it’s a pain in the ass trying to get out of the game, even when there are only 15k there. For true baseball fans these are all huge detractors.
I feel really bad that the team has so little attendance. I can totally understand it though. To go to more than a couple A’s night games a year you really have to be a die hard fan. The place isn’t exactly beaming with charm, or drawing the casual person in either. For instance I have met friends at college in Auburn, AL that say, “Dang, have you ever been out to that new Giants park in San Fran. We had some free time and stopped in to see a game while on vacation. It was so cool…” Places like Wrigley, Pac Bell, Fenway, and Yankee stadium not only have their own unique charm, but they are also tourist destinations. I’m curious of the percentages, but there are undoubtedly thousands of out of towners who make it a point to see these places while in the city.
When Cisco Stadium opens, if they can ever get the crazy environmental people to chill out over the pile of dirt on the site, I’m sure it will be drawing just like AT&T. I’m just hoping that the casual people in attendance won’t drown out the 10k or so die hards. I think thats kind of what happens in ATL.
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by KMoAsFan on Jun 12, 2008 6:34 PM PDT 0 recs
I went to two games at the Coliseum last week
As an Iowa A’s fan, I’ve only been to Oakland twice during baseball season—and really enjoyed both games. The first game I sat in the ‘bleacher’ seats; the second game I splurged for tickets behind home plate.
Even though the crowds were sparse both games, I had a lot of fun at both games. This was likely partially because I’m used to seeing the A’s in opposing ballparks (Minneapolis, Kansas City) or on internet radio or MLB.TV. There’s definitely something to be said for being surrounded by fans in A’s shirts and hats and chanting “Let’s Go Oakland.”
I talked to a friend who had moved to SF last year, and she had a terrible experience at her first A’s game. She went on opening day, and it took a long time to get in, concession lines were bad, and she didn’t have any interest in going back. Not a fan of the A’s (or even baseball), per se, but definitely the ‘ordinary community person’ you would maybe want to get into the game to boost attendance numbers—and she didn’t have any intention of going back. (I encouraged her to check out a game against a less popular team.)
by McMillinBr on
Jun 12, 2008 7:17 PM PDT
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I dont think
the $15 parking helps with attendance problems.
by TradedAthletic on Jun 12, 2008 7:30 PM PDT 0 recs
It's a boring team
I was talking to a co-worker about this same subject and we agreed that this team has no personality and little entertainment factor. People enjoyed/related to Swisher, Giambi, Tejada, Hudson…....... Also, the greats of the A’s past were very entertaining with their offensive prowess; lots of homeruns. This team, though, is a bunch of walk taking and singles hitting sissies. (i.e. Suzuki, Sweeney the younger, Hannahan, Barton, Davis, etc.) Of course Crosby leads in doubles, but whenever he is at the plate I still expect him to swing at an outside slider. The pitching has been great, but Blanton just does not thrill me with his ability. Same goes for Eveland and Smith. But, I would pay to see Harden and Duke pitch. All in all, watching this team play is uninspiring. Perhaps others feel the same way and are staying away from Oakland more than usual.
by pedoman on Jun 12, 2008 11:02 PM PDT 0 recs
+1
It is a boring team. As much as I love them, it’s just not that exciting to watch.
by 33SwisherSweet on
Jun 12, 2008 11:15 PM PDT
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+2.
I agree 100%. This was my primary reason for wanting Barry Bonds. Even with his excess baggage, he brought a certain level of excitement to the game. If we had him, we wouldn’t be here talking about attendance issues. And I would have found a way to renew my season ticket package.
by sf drift king on
Jun 13, 2008 3:54 AM PDT
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the solution is obvious, then
Beane needs to sign Chuck Norris.
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by monkeyball on
Jun 13, 2008 9:58 AM PDT
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Couldn't disagree more.
First of all, to draw a parallel to homegrown heroes like Hudson or Swisher – let alone MVP’s Giambi and Tejada – is downright unfair. From roughly 2000 through 2006, when the A’s were one of the most successful teams in baseball, fans were absolutely spoiled by an overachieving front office that produced more wins than its payroll ever suggested it should. To expect anything close to magical seasons like 2003 or 2006, with what we’re working with, is absurd. I realize you didn’t make a case-and-point comparison, but you drew a parallel to the elite-level talent, which I still feel is unrealistic, if not unfair.
You guys don’t know how good you have it. Stranded here in Buffalo, thousands of miles away from the team I’ve now supported for 20 of my 25 years, I get fired up when my neighbors internet reception comes in well enough to give me uninterrupted MLB Gameday radio feeds. I get a kick out of it when the operators of the A’s Extra Innings post-game show don’t believe me when I call in after a big, extra inning win, because they know it’s the middle of the night in New York, and guess what? I’m fired up over the 35-31 Oakland Athletics.
If you’re not as excited about this team as I am, here are 10 things, off the top of my head, about which you should be excited:
1) One of the five youngest players in the bigs, Carlos Gonzalez, is making his mark as a five-tool talent. Moving on.
2) Rich Harden is (knock on wood) healthy and as dominant as ever. Enough said.
3) Bobby Crosby, of all people is among the league leaders in not just doubles like pedoman said, but games played, and is at long last showing his promise.
4) Gold Gloves or not, Crosby and Mark Ellis constitute one of the best defensive middle infields in baseball, which I think is saying something.
5) Who could talk defense without talking about the six-time consecutive Gold Glover? I don’t care if he’s not .280/32/101, if he’s anything close to it, he’s the middle-of-the-lineup presence we’ve lacked for a good part of the year, and he’s still makes the most difficult plays look routine at the hot corner.
6) Huston Street, other than the past week, has been arguably as dominant as ever, regaining the velocity that made him Rookie of the Year.
7) I totally disagree on Raj Davis. Yes, he’s a reserve, but he impacts almost every close game the A’s play with the blinding speed we’ve lacked since Rickey in his prime.
8) Frank Thomas, prior to his injury, appeared to be regaining his form that made him again one of the most feared hitters in baseball in Oakland just two seasons ago, and I expect nothing less than for him to continue that pace upon his looming return.
9)
Buck
Crosby
Chavez
Thomas
Cust
Ellis
Barton/M. Sweeney
Gonzalez/R. Sweeney
Suzuki
While it’s a ways away, I’m excited to see what such a lineup could do over the bulk of the season.
10) The second youngest team in baseball and youngest in the AL having the fifth best record in the league. That says it all.
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by RyanFromBonas on
Jun 13, 2008 2:29 PM PDT
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I'm a lawyer and work 70 hour weeks yet I can find
a way to make 3-4 games a week. Why? Because I love baseball and the A’s. I sit in shit seats (actually I like the 9 dollar seats first row dead center), but I make the games and cheer on the home town 9.
The problem can’t be blamed on weak economy (attendance has sucked the last decade or so), the trading of players (see last point), or exorbitant parking fees. I’ve gone over this many times before. I grew up in So Cal going to hundreds of Angels games (1985 through my first year at berkeley in 1997). The Angels were second fiddle to the dodgers from their birth through 2002. Now it can be argued that the angels are the more popular team in so cal. What changed. Sure they won a World Championship, but the bottom line is Arte Moreno is a great owner.
First thing he did was lower beer prices. He now sells 2 for 1 season tickets to get the butts into the seats. It is actually “cool” to go to an Angels game; it is a destination. The difference is their owner (the once second class citizen) thinks outside of the box. The best our owner can do is try to rip off the rally monkey. That there friends is our problem. A COMPLETE LACK OF BUSINESS SENSE, MARKETING SENSE, ADVERTISING SENSE, ETC.
I’m tired of hearing the coliseum be put to shame, i’m tired of hearing that it’s due to the fact that we don’t keep our players, and I’m tired of all these lame ass excuses.
The bottom line is we don’t have owners with vision. It is that lack of vision that is killing us. If I had the all the answers I’d be a millionaire and I wouldn’t be wasting my time as a lawyer. However, the problem is clear – the answer my friends is blowing in the wind.
by 33SwisherSweet on Jun 12, 2008 11:08 PM PDT 0 recs
Trumpet Puppet - come on!
Lew, I’m happy that you stay to the end when other fans have left, but please try to think outside of the box buddy. You are a millionaire. I know you didn’t get there by not taking risks and knocking off other people’s stupid ideas.
by 33SwisherSweet on
Jun 12, 2008 11:17 PM PDT
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Lew has been brilliant
as an owner. He has robustly grown the value of the Oakland Athletics Baseball Corporation, and if he pulls Fremont off he’ll be a goddamn sports business genius.
Sadly, putting numbers of butts in Oakland seats isn’t a part of his model, and I despise him for it. But as for him doing his job--making his owner group a ton of money—he’s great. The bastard.
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by FreeSeatUpgrade on
Jun 12, 2008 11:32 PM PDT
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Lew the screw
Lew is throwing all of his chips into the Fremont basket. He does not care about Oakland at all. True- he is making money in the short term. And after the Fremont thing fades away … the ownership group will sell to the next sucker who believes they can rip the A’s from Oakland’s clutches.
To be fair – the City of Oakland has done a piss-poor job of marketing the city, and revitalizing Oakland’s reputation. SF has its share of “problems”. But when you hear about them – its the “western addition”, the “fillmore” or “hunters-point”. Its never San Francisco. Because “they” protect the name brand. I have lived in Oakland for 40 years. I live in a wonderful neighborhood. Full of wonderful people, and we are so tired of all the negative hype about our city. Yes, there is crime. But definitely not everywhere.
The Coliseum is good enough to have hosted (4!) World Championship teams. I’ll take that and pass on “beautiful” AT&T or Wrigley field, that for some reason can’t seem to host any championship flags since before World War I.
I look forward to the day we bring in new ownership. Ownership commited to Oakland.
by GrewUpAtTheColiseum on
Jun 13, 2008 6:13 AM PDT
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I agree 100%
I agree with you completely. Thats one of the reasons I hate the Giants. In fact, almost all of the reasons I hate the Giants are off-field ones. The on-field teams they have fielded have been pretty weak. I live in the glenview district between 580 and montclair and my neighborhood is sleepy, friendly, and quiet, but all I hear about is how bad international is from people who don’t even live over there.
by VivaOakland on
Jun 13, 2008 12:25 PM PDT
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I can fix the attendances in five minutes.
1. All seats 50% off on every game that isn’t a weekend.
2. All beer $5. All the time.
3. $2 hot dogs. All the time.
4. Free parking on weekdays.
That’s it. Fill the stadium by making less money. Fill it for three weeks straight, then inch things back when people have had a chance to get back into A’s baseball.
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by Ozzz on Jun 13, 2008 3:24 AM PDT 0 recs
You're right
This would do the trick, do you want butts in the seats? Or do the A’s want empty seats?
by pedoman on
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Problem is that those aren't decisions that can be made by Lew
Concessions: Aramark is the company running concessions and they can charge whatever they want for beer & hot dogs. The A’s can ask them to make a change, but have very little say so.
Parking: Controlled by the city of Oakland. They own the parking lot so they make the decision on price, deals, etc. Again the A’s can make a suggestion, but really have little control in the end.
by GusanoQuemador on
Jun 13, 2008 12:13 PM PDT
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The club can work something out.
Even if the club had to pay a set fee to the city to ‘buy’ the parking lot for a night, it’d be a marketing smash and well worth it.
And Aramark isn’t stupid – they know that if they do their part to reduce prices for a short period, they’ll sell more food to more people, and make roughly the same amount of profit as those low-attendance days, with the benefit that they’ll be helping bring more people back long term and building an audience for when prices go back to ‘nasty’.
That, and when it comes time to renew contracts, assistance in such plans would surely be looked on more appreciatively than obstinance.
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by Ozzz on
Jun 13, 2008 1:29 PM PDT
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Do you really think customers are that stupid?
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by PaulThomas on
Jun 13, 2008 1:51 PM PDT
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Ask any Angels fan.
Worked for them.
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by Ozzz on
Jun 13, 2008 2:58 PM PDT
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Right. And that's why you get a bunch of degenerates on the...
...cheap Wednesdays that come out to those games and few others.
You’re going from three weeks of half-off seats, cheap beer, cheap hot dogs and free parking to “Well, maybe the team can do it for a night or a few games.”
A temporary change isn’t going to lead to a sharp spike in long-term attendance. It just doesn’t work that way.
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by Flashfire on
Jun 13, 2008 2:25 PM PDT
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You're going to have to come to terms with the fact...
..that if you want to attract the casual fan, you’re going to get degenerates.
Which do you want? Empty seats and empty coffers or full stadium and a couple of jackasses occasionally taking swings at each other in the parking lot?
And I’m not ‘going from’ anything. I’m saying that if the A’s can make such changes for one-offs (like those degenerate-filled cheap seat/cheap hot dog days), they can make them for periods that run longer.
They just won’t, because it’d cost money in the short term to make it long term, and that ain’t the way the A’s play it.
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by Ozzz on
Jun 13, 2008 2:58 PM PDT
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Hey! I'm a cheap degenerate who mostly only goes to Wednesday games!
Is it prurient? I don’t know what to tell you. I think it’s odd and interesting. It’s part of life. @('.')@
by monkeyball on
Jun 13, 2008 3:49 PM PDT
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I'll never understand it
and I’ve given up trying. I go to at least forty games every year. The A’s have played great baseball the last ten years (if you think they’re “boring” I’ve got no idea what you want from baseball). I have always loved the Coliseum, but I go to be at the game, not the ballpark. And if you think watching the game on TV is a superior experience… too bad for you.
by Brian in 317 on Jun 13, 2008 7:12 AM PDT 1 recs
I like the Coliseum
I think it is a good place to WATCH BASEBALL. I don’t go to a game to be seen or to soak in all the non-baseball activities. Let those clowns across the bay do that.
I also don’t think this A’s team is boring. It is a young team with some shortcomings but I find them fun to watch.
by KCa's on Jun 13, 2008 7:39 AM PDT 0 recs
We may be de-sensitized to it, but the whole "Coliseum experience" is awful for casual fans.
From beginning to end: My bottom 10—there are many more:
1-ugly(ass) approaches over the stalag BART bridge or in the lots
2-cattle drive to the over-enthusiastic strip searches by Security
3-parking structure chic decor
4-dingy, crowded underworld routes to the seats
5-vastly over-priced, uninspired crap for concessions and merchandise
6-shallow, distant sitelines
7-ushers who refuse to keep promenaders out of the aisles except between batters->obstructed views
8-unintelligible scoreboard stats
9-no buzz from the scoreboard content (except the li’l ‘phant puppet - I love Lilpant)
10-a team built for people who are deeper in the baseball onion
Okay, a bonus one: 11 - team website that is poorly organized and where stuff is hard to find
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by The Dogfather on Jun 13, 2008 8:12 AM PDT 0 recs
LOL @ "strip searches"
I know you don’t mean that literally, but this is about the 4th comment I’ve seen in the last few weeks about Security’s pre-entry “searches.” I’ve never, ever, hundreds-of-games ever had Security do anything more than give a cursory glance into my bag or maybe briefly pat my blanket while I’m on my way into the stadium. Even in Fall 2001. Is it really just that I have such an innocent face, they’re giving me special “light treatment?” ;)
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by Poppy on
Jun 13, 2008 10:54 AM PDT
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There's a woman at Gate A who must be paid by the seized item.
We try to avoid her. Anyway, you’ve got an honest face.
I’m sort of numb to it, but really, all those back-ups, barriers, temporary tables and uniformed personnel don’t convey “fan-friendly.”
Truth be told, I suspect they’re mostly looking for alcohol. The solution to that was suggested by Ozzzz above.
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by The Dogfather on
Jun 13, 2008 11:01 AM PDT
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I accidentally took an Exacto knife into a game with me once.
That’s about as potentially dangerous as I get.
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by Poppy on
Jun 13, 2008 11:19 AM PDT
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I got searched so thoroughly...
I had to tell the security guard afterwards that in some countries we would be considered married.
by pedoman on
Jun 13, 2008 12:11 PM PDT
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strip searchs
they just pat my bag, they don’t even lift or look at it sometimes. If this was a newer staduim like Pac Bell or a classic like Yankee Staduim or Wrigley you’d be worried about a terror attack, but only us true fans love the coliseum.
by VivaOakland on
Jun 13, 2008 12:29 PM PDT
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12. The slo-mo concession stand workers
Even during poorly attended games (which is to say, all of them) they take forever.
How hard can it be to pluck a pre-cooked veggie dog out of a bin and pour a beer from a tap situated right in front of them?
Maybe I’ve just stood in the wrong line. Every single time. For the past 13 years or so.
by Ray of Lite on
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A's Attendance thoughts
I recently read a great book on the A’s of the 1970s and the author made several comments on the very low attendance of the great A’s teams. The A’s have had attendance problems year after year (except for the late 80s). The attendance problems through the years led me to believe that while some things about this year (poor economy, gas prices, lack of stars, high turnover) are causing the drop from 2006, I think the consistent attendance woes for the team can be attributed to the following reasons, all of which have been constant.
1- The major reason is that the Bay Area is the smallest populated Metro area in US with 2 teams. Wash- Balt. is somewhat similar numbers in population. They are both having attendance problems. (LA, Chi, NY metro areas are probably double the pop.)
Some cities that have 1 team with only slightly smaller metro pop. areas than Bay Area have decent attendance (Boston, Houston, Dallas, Atlanta, Seattle, Philadelphia, Phoenix)
The fact that the A’s have had attendance problems except for late 80s through their history is primarily due to the fact that the Bay area’s population is not great enough to suppor



