Monday Midnight Minors Musings: College Edition
The 2008 First-Year Player Draft is now exactly one-month away and it's time for the A's to really buckle down and start focusing on who they might take with the highest overall first-round pick they've had since getting Barry Zito at 9th overall in 1999. The A's will pick 12th this year, and depending on how much Wolff and Company plan on spending on signing bonuses, there is a real chance that the team could grab a very valuable player at that spot.
With the major league and minor league seasons well underway (giving the organization a framework for judgng needs and luxuries) and with amateur baseball seasons winding down (providing near-complete sample sizes to judge prospective draftees) let's take a look at where the A's stand now and see if we can get an idea about who they might draft in the 1st round.
Organizational Strengths/Luxuries
With the Haren and Swisher trades already paying dividends for the big club, I would say that at this point the big league team and the high minors are pretty well stocked with starting pitchers and outfielders. In the fomer department, the A's can depend on one of Gio Gonzalez/Andrew Bailey/James Simmons breaking into the majors within the year to join an already young and up-and-coming staff on the big club, while in the latter department, both Carlos Gonzales and Aaron Cunningham (if totally recovered) will likely join Travis Buck as cornerstones of the A's outfield of the near future.
Further down the minors, it looks like the A's have some really nice starters in Cahill, Anderson, de los Santos, Henry Rodgriguez, Vince Mazzaro and some of the 2007 draftees like Scott Hodsdon and Travis Banwart, all of whom could be ready to step into the rotation by 2010. The organization also boasts a couple plus DH/corner type bats in Corey Brown, Sean Doolittle and Chris Carter.
Organizational Weaknesses/Needs
It's no secret on AN that the A's organization is pretty thin on middle infielders, top to bottom. Both Ellis and Crosby are performing fairly well this season, but both players are likely to be gone by the end of 2009 at the latest. Murphy and Hannahan are capable back-ups but aren't likely to perform well as starters over a full-season. Kevin Melillo and Gregorio Petit have had measured success so far in their minor league careers, but both have their flaws, with Melillo too limited defensively and Petit too limited offensively to really make impacts as major league regulars.
Further down the chain, it's pretty clear, even with my eternal optimism, that Cliff Pennington and Justin Sellers were pretty high-round 2005 busts. Pennington can get on base and play good defense, but he can't hit worth a lick, while Sellers can't even really get on base all that well. 2008 draftee Josh Horton can also get on base, but can't hit for any power and isn't really built for shortstop. Fellow 2008 draftee Michard Richard is an intriguing speed prospect, but also a butcher defensively.
Furthermore, while the A's have some nice young bullpen arms in the system like Devine, Blevins, Kilby, Marshall and Carignan, they aren't really stacked with can't-miss impact relief arms. Also, besides Landon Powell, who's getting a little old to be considered a true prospect, the A's system is dangerously thin on catching prospects.
Overall
So, over-generalizing more than a little bit, I'd say that the A's are fairly-well suited with outfielders, corner/DH types and starting pitchers, but in need of a boost when it comes to middle infielders, bullpen arms and catchers.
Now, can the 2008 draft and specifically the 12th overall pick address some of those organizational needs? I'd say, yes, definitely....

Most recent mock drafts have the A's taking a typical Oakland-type draftee in the 1st round: polished, collegiate, limited-upside corner-position player. But this draft isn't really all that strong with collegiate outfielders, so the A's will probably look to either fill a position of need or grab the best available (and affordable) talent on the board, which might become a nice confluence, since this draft is fairly strong with collegiate arms (of both the starting and relieving variety) and has a nice mix of middle infield talent.
First off, here are some names that will probably not be available at Number 12 overall:
Pedro Alvarez - 3B - Vanderbilt: Although he missed a lot of time this season with various injuries, he's still a plus-plus talent that will definitely go with one of the top-5 picks.
Brian Matusz - LHP - San Diego: Matusz has struggled a bit so far this season, but he's a nice combination of upside and polish. Tall, strong lefty that can hit the mid-90's with his fastball with a full compliment of off-speed stuff. Probably will go somewhere in the 3-6 range of the draft.
Aaron Crow - RHP - Missouri: Tall, strong, big-bodied righty with upper-90's heat. Has the body and aggressive nature to become a bulldog type top of the rotation starter in the bigs. Isn't particularly polished and isn't a great athlete, but his arm is special enough for him to still be considered very high on most draft boards.
Tim Beckham - SS - High School: Beckham would be a perfect fit for the middle-infield-looking A's, but his draft stock has really risen in the past few months, and he's likely to go as high as even number one overall, since he's got a strong bat and the chops to stick at short long-term.
Justin Smoak - 1B - South Carolina: Former A's draftee has already hit 19 homers and is OPS-ing an insane 1.327. He also plays good first base defense and can switch hit pretty well. Yeah, he'll be a Top-10 pick for sure.
Ok, so let's take that one step further and review a few top guys who might be good enough for the 1st round but will still be around come number 12 overall. I'll lump them in groups of similar skillset for brevity:
1B/DH: Brett Wallace - ASU, Yonder Alonso - Miami, Allan Dykstra - Wake Forest
There is no shortage of these types of hitters in this draft. No doubt they are all pretty good hitters, can hit for power and get-on-base, but given the fact the A's have Barton for awhile, Sean Doolittle is looking primed to be a solid major leaguer and Chris Carter is getting reps at 1st, the A's will be setting themselves up for a logjam in the future, and since none of these guys are really premier defenders and will be limited to first in the bigs, their potential trade values will not be great either. Of course, there is the Beane-Lenny Dykstra long-time buddy-buddy roommate relationship that might lead Beane into taking Dykstra, which would be somewhat unfortunate.
Outfielders: Jordan Danks - Texas, Isaac Galloway - High School, Aaron Hicks - High School
Danks is probably the best all-around collegiate outfielder and that isn't saying all that much. He's a solid defensive outfielder that projects as a center fielder at the next level, but doesn't have a really impact bat. He's got good speed, but doesn't really possess the plate patience to be a top-of-the-order hitter or the power to be a middle of the order hitter. If the A's are going to go for a full-value outfield pick at #12 they will go to the high school ranks, which means either Galloway or Hicks. Galloway is someone I've seen with my own eyes, a physical specimen that could develop into an Adam Jones-like center fielder with a valuable power/speed combination. Hicks has been considered one of the top athletes in this entire draft, and there's plenty to like. He's a switch-hitting center fielder with loads of power potential and speed to spare. He's a two-way player, so his arm strength is tremendous. Hicks might go earlier in the draft, but if he's around at 12, Billy has got to take a long look at both him and Galloway, as the organization's struggles to develop legit center fielders is of major concern.
Starters: Christian Freidrich - Western Kentucky, Tanner Scheppers - Fresno State, Tyson Ross - Cal
Scheppers is just the type of hurler I expect Beane to consider here. He's a tall, polished righty with good stuff and nice stats (better than 3-1 K-BB ratio, barely a .200 Batting Average Against, with 109 K's in 70 innings pitched). He can probably be successful as either a mid-rotation starter or a late-inning reliever at the next level and his draft stock has been skyrocketing since his name has got out there. Freidrich is a decent talent, but a lefty without overpowering stuff while Ross, although an Oakland-native and very talented, has been described as kind of a "project", which is not what Beane is probably looking for at #12 overall.
Relievers: Ryan Perry - Arizona, Cole St Clair - Rice
Perry wowed scouts last summer at the Cape Cod League with mid-90's heat and a good slider. He hasn't blown anybody away so far this season but has done well enough (3.12 ERA, 9.0 K/9) to still be considered a potential late-inning reliever at the next level. St Clair was once considered a consensus top-10 pick, but the lefty got hurt at the beginning of last season and was never able to regain velocity and the dominance he once showed. But he's healthy now, and he's putting up solid stats for the Owls (3.30 ERA, with a better than 9 K/9 and a nearly 5 to 1 K-BB ratio). St Clair has a lively fastball and solid slider, but his changeup is really outstanding and due to the injury, his arm is still fresh so many observers believe that he could be successfully transitioned into a starting role.
Middle Infielders: Jemile Weeks - Miami, Gordon Beckham - Georgia, Brandon Crawford - UCLA
Weeks (brother of Milwaukee Brewer Rickie Weeks) is an exciting prototypical leadoff-hitting type of player who relies on a contact-hitting approach and speed to collect a lot of hits. He's got good range at second and decent hands. Crawford has long been considered one of the best all-around talents in the 2008 draft. He's also a Pleasanton-native and has the defensive chops to stick at short long-term. Unfortunately, Crawford's bat took a dive in the 2007 Cape Cod League, which makes obervers wary that he'll ever hit in the majors, since he hasn't really dominated collegiate pitching so far. The cream of the collegiate middle infield crop is probably the other Beckham. The 6-foot Gordon is a pure power hitter and decent defender who could probably be an average defender in the bigs. Just for reference, Beckham already has 22 homeruns, is slugging .874 and has walked 35 times as opposed to only 18 strikeouts so so far this season.
Catchers: Buster Posey - Florida State, Petey Paramore - ASU, Kyle Skipworth - High School
Posey is a nice all-around catcher with a short, compact swing designed for contact. He'll probably never be a star at the higher levels, but since he profiles as a solid big-league catcher, he'll get consideration in the first round. Paramore has more overall potential, as far as the stick goes. He kind of profiles similarly to former A's first-rounder Landon Powell (as he's a switch hitter with prodigious power and plate discipline) but without the outstanding defense. In fact, many have already questioned whether Paramore can stick at catcher long term. Skipworth gets consideration here because certain unnamed internet observers are already speculating that the A's have heavily scouted him and will likely draft him with their first pick. There's plenty to like about him, as he's an outstanding athlete, field general and swings a potent lefty stick. He's a ways off as a high school player, but he's got the most potential.
Conclusion
Considering that Beane has publicly acknowledged that the A's will continue to be built on pitching and defense, while acknowledging that the A's have had poor luck drafting position players in recent years, it's hard to bet against Beane and Company drafting anything but a starting pitcher, and if Tanner Scheppers is still around at number 12, I'm thinking he'll be the guy next month. But if Tanner is taken between picks 1-11 and there is no high-upside high school hurler piquing his interest, then I could see Beane angle for Beckham and then Skipworth, in that order, since grabbing a high-impact middle infield bat or a potential franchise-leading all-around catcher would be more than worthy back-up plans.
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I'd be happy with Beckham or Skipworth
Another “polished” starter type would be entirely underwhelming. A high-upside middle infield prospect who can hit? Now we’re talking.
RagingHarden: Yeah if you get 20 starts out of me I'll be shocked. Like, I'll wreck my drawers.
by walk off bunt on
May 6, 2008 12:54 AM PDT
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I can't read, it turns out
As Skipworth is clearly listed as a catcher.
Oh well, it’s late, and I caught it before anyone else did. (I mean I’d still take a catcher who can hit, too. Why not.)
RagingHarden: Yeah if you get 20 starts out of me I'll be shocked. Like, I'll wreck my drawers.
by walk off bunt on
May 6, 2008 1:11 AM PDT
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wow... you frontpagers just post one right over the other now...
cool. Let the market decided. LOL
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by FoolshGame22 on
May 6, 2008 1:05 AM PDT
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grover and Taj are converging on one another ...
... like Byrnes and RSweeney in the same OF.
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by monkeyball on
May 6, 2008 10:30 AM PDT
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A few comments
Scneppers and Beckham are almost locks at this point to be taken in picks 1-11, so you can pretty much scratch them off the list of potential A’s picks. I had my eye on both guys coming into the year, but with breakout years they have unfortunately made themselves unobtainable. Posey is likely to be gone as well, and there are strong rumors that Tampa Bay may take him at #1. I’m not a Posey fan, so it doesn’t break my heart that he will be unavailable.
It is fun as a fan to try to match up an organization’s strengths and weaknesses with players that play those positions, but as a scouting director it is a really stupid way to run a draft. The A’s need to set up their draft board based solely on talent, and draft whatever player is at the top of their board when they pick, regardless of position or cost. The A’s need to trust their scouts or fire them and hire ones they do trust. A great example of the intelligence of this approach is the Brewers drafting of Matt La Porta, who was the best player available on their draft board but didn’t fit a “need.” Now LaPorta is one of the best hitting prospects in baseball, and every organization in baseball would love to have him. Milwaukee could have drafted for need, but they would have missed out on a very talented player by doing so.
I pretty much agree with your assessment of the A’s strengths as an organization, except I think that the A’s relief prospects are better than you think. Part of that strength will come from the fact that at least 2 or 3 of our current starter prospects are likely to end up as relievers, and potentially dominant ones.
I don’t really have a guess as to who the A’s will draft this year. I may do a diary when it comes closer to draft time to profile some guys I like.
by BlameChannel53 on
May 6, 2008 1:25 AM PDT
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Is that a typo, or is there really
a guy named “Michard Richard”?
If so, I think he challenges Chad Bradford for the title of “most reversible name in baseball”.
formerly known as mdl
by iglew on
May 6, 2008 2:26 AM PDT
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Typo
Should be Michael Richard…
Fun player, but his shortstop defense is Figgins-esque.
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by PaulThomas on
May 6, 2008 9:11 AM PDT
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I also find that...
his racist diatribes in the middle of his comedy routines are a little unsettling as well.
by TempletonPeck on
May 6, 2008 6:25 PM PDT
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Petey Paramore
Having seen him play a few times this year (I live a few miles from ASU), he does not have prodigious power, actually I think that will end up being a liability for him with wood bats. He has 6 HR in 150+ ABs with the metal right now.
What he does have is one of the best eyes I’ve ever seen on a college kid. That said, 12th overall would be a big reach for him…he’s more a supplemental-pick type guy.
by train80 on
May 6, 2008 7:45 AM PDT
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I tend to agree with you Taj
This draft doesn’t appear to be strong in the areas that match the A’s needs. My hope is that one of the top tier guys falls due to signability concerns and the A’s snag him at #12. If the A’s are ever going to go over-slot on a prospect this is the year (and the scenario) to do so. They have the cash and quite frankly they have the need.
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by grover on
May 6, 2008 8:46 AM PDT
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How would you ever NOT have the need?
I agree wholeheartedly that the A’s should pick the best player available in every round, however. Particularly in a year like this where they have no extra picks. The only way to make up for that is by “cheating” the slotting system.
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by PaulThomas on
May 6, 2008 9:15 AM PDT
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Wallace went to my high school
and came from the small, yet powerful Justin-Siena High in Napa – a real force in the SCAL and MCAL leagues. He can rake with aluminum, wood, or broomstick. I’m actually shocked he’s considered as a pick in the teens. That being said, let’s get the best value at #12 not draft out of need.
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by carp on
May 6, 2008 9:13 AM PDT
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Review site
Here is a great web site which gives an overview with a short video of each of the top prospects for 2008.
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/events/draft_report/y2008/index.jsp?mc=scheppers
by Hang Man on
May 6, 2008 9:17 AM PDT
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Some of those video clips are terrible.
I looked at Jemile Weeks – they showed him get hit by a pitch and foul a ball off.
Thanks MiLB.com!
by mikev on
May 6, 2008 9:26 AM PDT
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Sounds like my highlight reel in Little League
I am Ray Fosse's man crushes for Clay Wood and Jason Kendall.
by franks a lot on
May 6, 2008 9:35 AM PDT
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Vanderbilt ahs got a can't-miss prospect...
...in Pedro Alvarez. He broke his hamate bone in the first game of the season at ASU which might cause him to drop a bit. If he is there at 12, there should be little hesitation…
by EastVillageA on
May 6, 2008 9:40 AM PDT
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He won't be there
Alvarez will be a Top 5 pick. If he drops, he is a no brainer pick for the A’s.
by BlameChannel53 on
May 6, 2008 9:44 AM PDT
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I guess I was just hoping...
...that hamate might scare some folks off. His power has dropped off a bit since his return to the lineup, but I suppose smart baseball people will know that is only temporary…really I just want to expedite Chavez’ release as much as possible…
by EastVillageA on
May 6, 2008 9:53 AM PDT
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"Release"?
Please tell me you’re not serious.
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by PaulThomas on
May 6, 2008 10:05 AM PDT
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I'm done living in the past...
I’ll just leave it at that
by EastVillageA on
May 6, 2008 10:08 AM PDT
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Unfortunately
Chavez is the gift that keeps on giving, even if we release him. We still him two years of salary and a $3 million dollar option buyout. His rotting carcass will be hanging around unless he is able to reestablish some trade value.
by BlameChannel53 on
May 6, 2008 10:12 AM PDT
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His "rotting carcass" put up a 98 OPS+ last season
while in excruciating pain.
The A’s should be targeting prospects who will be appearing around 2011 at third base, which means HS or (ideally) juco guys. They won’t get Alvarez anyway.
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by PaulThomas on
May 6, 2008 11:05 AM PDT
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Alvarez isn't really a 3B prospect anyway
He will move to 1B in the majors unless some miracle occurs. If you want to pretend that Chavez will be good again, go head and enjoy yourself. I am very skeptical as to Chavez’s future.
by BlameChannel53 on
May 6, 2008 12:17 PM PDT
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Is he LIKELY to be WORSE than last year?
Because last year he was a league-average player.
Personally I’m inclined to think he’s likely to be better than last year, seeing as how surgeries are generally intended to reduce pain and increase mobility. If that makes me Pollyanna, whatever.
If Scott Rolen hasn’t stopped breathing yet, I don’t see why Chavez would.
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by PaulThomas on
May 6, 2008 12:22 PM PDT
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what do you mean by good again
the other guy said release chavez, all PT said is he put up a 98 ops+. you don’t think he’ll be at least around 100 ops+ over the next couple years?
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by xbhaskarx on
May 6, 2008 12:23 PM PDT
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No
I don’t think he will ever be a regular major league 3rd baseman again, because I don’t think he is ever going to be healthy again. I would be very happy if Chavez could come back and give us what he has in the past few years. I don’t think he ever will, because his back hurts every time he tries to field grounders. When he starts diving after balls during games he is going to hurt even worse. I think Chavez is done, and will never again be healthy. Hence the “rotting corpse” comment.
by BlameChannel53 on
May 6, 2008 12:28 PM PDT
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It depends on what was actually wrong. Joe Crede had the same
back surgery as Chavy, and he has come back as good as new. Chavy also had the shoulders done, but if those were only to clean things up, then I see no reason for him not to be healthy. He hasn’t had any lower body injuries, which would bode well for a complete recovery.
by theblackpearl on
May 6, 2008 12:49 PM PDT
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That's the only shaft of light at the end of the tunnel.
Otherwise I wouldn’t be hopeful of a Chavez return.
by OldhamA on
May 6, 2008 6:36 PM PDT
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what are your thoughts on Vandy's Flaherty?
I don’t really see that he tons of natural, obvious talent, but he has good pedigree…could he be a big league player?
by EastVillageA on
May 6, 2008 9:55 AM PDT
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He's an interesting pick in the second round (if he's available)
He is a shortstop currently, but will likely move to tthird base. He actually profiles similar to Doolittle last year: good athleticism for a corner player, good plate discipline, good hiting ability, not much power. The transformation of Doolittle this year has been amazing, if the A’s could pull that off again with a player that can play third base, they would really have something.
by BlameChannel53 on
May 6, 2008 10:02 AM PDT
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The one hope is that Alvarez
Makes enough stink about wnating a big bonus that he falls for signability reasons. Realistically, though, it is hard to see him ending up on the A’s if the other 11 teams pass on him for money reasons.
by BlameChannel53 on
May 6, 2008 9:57 AM PDT
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Call this a hunch...
but if I had to bet, I’d say the A’s take a guy who hasn’t been mentioned yet, Shooter Hunt.
Been projected in the 10-20 range, college pitcher, and a plus fastball.
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by BWH on
May 6, 2008 10:48 AM PDT
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Hunt's having a hell of a season so far...
And he’s got great stuff. The only problem for him throughout his collegiate career has been the control. He barely cracks the 2-1 K-BB ratio in that regard. I’m thinking that Beane will look for a more refined arm. Both Hunt and Brett Hunter, another righty with a plus fastball and control concerns, are both mentioned as possible 10-20 picks, but I think both with eventually end up as major league bullpen arms, which will kind of dimish the value they will supply with the #12 pick overall.
by Taj Adib on
May 6, 2008 11:15 AM PDT
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Good call
He may be gone when we pick, however.
by BlameChannel53 on
May 6, 2008 10:51 AM PDT
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Very interesting article. Thanks to all the input.
With one one pick in each of the first three rounds, the A’s need to select carefully in order to maximize their effectiveness. They lost out on the supplemental picks this year.
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by Charlie Brown on
May 6, 2008 11:20 AM PDT
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*^%&ing loophole
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by PaulThomas on
May 6, 2008 11:39 AM PDT
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seriously
It’s pretty ridiculous that we didn’t get pick for Stewart even though he was offered arbitration (ie a Major League contract) and declined in order to eventually sign a minor league deal with Toronto
by mikev on
May 6, 2008 11:51 AM PDT
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So what would happen if Piazza signs the day after the draft? Will the A's get a sandwich
pick next year, or would they get screwed out of that one too?
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May 6, 2008 12:00 PM PDT
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Pretty sure there's a deadline
where if a player signs after that point, the team gets no compensation. At this point, we’re past it.
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by PaulThomas on
May 6, 2008 12:52 PM PDT
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Organizational needs
Disagree strongly about relievers, for a host of reasons. One, the MLB staff is full up with young guys. Two, there are plenty of relievers putting up impressive numbers in the A’s system right now. Three, the largest pool of eventual relievers is taken from current starters, and guys like Lansford (already converted), Italiano, Henry Rodriguez, and de los Santos all have a possibility of ending up there. Four, the bullpen is the easiest need for a smart organization to fill on the fly. Failed starters, waiver pickups, there’s lots of options to find guys who sometimes find their niche for a year or two or more in the bullpen. For crying out loud, Beane picked up honest-to-god relief prospects for Kendall and Kotsay, when most of us thought paying to put them on a rocket to Mars in exchange for a pile of moon rocks would be the best deal we could hope for (with the A’s picking up the tab both for their salaries as well as for handsome display cases for the rocks). You don’t want to squander precious top picks on a position you can fill so much more easily than most (although Street – at number 40, not number 12 – was an astute choice).
With both Suzuki and Powell just arriving, or about to arrive, at the major leagues, I don’t really see catching as a crying need, either.
Middle infield, though, sadly, I’m with you. And that’s a much harder need to fill than relief pitcher. G. Beckham would be terrific, and his development would dovetail beautifully with Crosby’s free agency, and his plate discipline is something you know gets the A’s antennas all waggling with excitement, but word it that he’ll be gone.
And of course, we’re absolutely naked at third base in the minors. I’m one of the last holdouts who stubbornly hopes Chavez will regain something of his former form (although surely not become the superstar we had really hoped to see), but Will Carroll was highly negative in his BP article today, much more than you’d expect based on published accounts. Carroll’s been wrong before, but he doesn’t usually comment unless he feels he has info that hasn’t been published yet, and it’s not as though the A’s are exactly forthcoming on these things.
by Faust on
May 6, 2008 6:20 PM PDT
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Agree 100% about the bullpen
The current A’s bullpen is composed of:
A high draft pick (Street)
A cheap free agent (Embree)
A REALLY cheap convalescent free agent (Foulke)
An org player who cleared waivers (Casilla)
A guy who has been traded 3 times and cleared waivers (A. Brown)
A high draft pick of another org who was picked up for a song as a change-of-scenery guy (Devine)
A very low draft pick (Braden)
A throw-in in a major trade (Calero)
and so on.
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May 6, 2008 6:27 PM PDT
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