Open Thread: Game 56 - A's @ Rangers
by Taj Adib on May 31, 2008 4:45 PM PDT
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PrintOakland Athletics at Texas Rangers, May 31, 2008 5:05 PM PDT
The A's will look for some deja vu good luck with the lumber tonight as they face off against Sidney Ponson, whom they knocked around pretty nicely the last time he faced them back on May 11th, as the Big Aruban gave up 7 hits, 6 runs and 5 walks in only 5.1 innings of work. Hopefully, Brown and Ellis (combined 5-for-10 with a HR and 4 RBIs) can put in similar efforts tonight as they did in that contest and help the struggling Oakland offense get back-on-track.
Mr. Reliable Joe Blanton (3-6, 3.92 ERA) will take the hill tonight opposing Ponson. We all know the drill with Joe pitching well enough to win but never getting run support, and as much as he says it might not bother him, you've gotta think that pitching with a lead every once in awhile would do a whole lot of good for a guy who is so often aggressive in the strikezone - especially against a very patient yet potent Texas offense.
While all eyes will likely be on CarGon tonight to see if he can continue where he left off in his stellar big league debut, my eyes will be focused squarely on Travis Buck. "Goldilocks", as he is affectionately known around my household, has gone through a roller coaster few months. Coming off a solid .850 OPS rookie season, Buck seemed like someone that future A's offenses could be built around: a sweet-swinging, selectively aggressive corner outfielder with emerging power and better-than-average speed. And yet, Buck totally collapsed in the first few weeks of the season, looking totally lost at the plate, striking out a ton and rolling over on pitches he used to crush into the left-center gap. Curiously, Buck blamed some of his struggles on the departure of Nick Swisher , which is something I just find odd given that with both Swisher and Haren gone and the organization in full-rebuild mode, there should have been no pressure at all placed on Travis:
I was putting a lot of pressure on myself and I wanted to make everyone happy instead of just doing what I do best. A lot of stuff was being thrown my way with (Nick) Swisher being gone and I definitely wasn't ready - I let it get to me a little. So I took a step back and I proved a lot to myself by how I took (the brief demotion), how focused I was.
Buck seemed to get his act together in AAA, getting his OPS back up to .892 and pulling his BB/K ratio back up to a respectable level (13/16). And yet, watching him last night strike out looking on a pitch right down the middle in his first at bat, then roll over on an outside off-speed pitch his second at-bat and then flailing for a swinging third strike on his 3rd at-bat sure didn't fill me with a lot of confidence that he's overcome his demons. Hopefully, we'll see a wise, confident, even brash Buck from tonight on and not the feeble, passive Buck that got demoted to the minors at the beginning of the month and who reared his ugly head last evening...
And speaking of struggling "future bed rocks of the Oakland offense", Daric Barton has been given the night off and Jack "of all infield trades" Hannahan is getting his first start over at first base. Lordy lordy, it's been an interesting 48 hours!
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Fat. Sweaty.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
Padilla: Fat. Sweaty. Asshole.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
Jay Bruce
just hit a walk off HR for his first career HR. Man what I wouldnt give to have a prospect like him in out system.
When will then be now? Soon.
Dude
After seeing Hamilton this year. I would have traded almost any pitcher the A’s had straight up. That dude can do it all. He could be the triple crown winner this year.
by asfaninpismobeach on May 31, 2008 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Well Texas payed for it big time..
with Volquez. But they they are both insane.
When will then be now? Soon.
C-Gon has me pretty excited. Bruce and Carlos might not be quite on the same level, but I think Gonzales has the potential to be a Beltran type player.
Eveland rocks! Eveland rocks! Somewhere Drew Carey just smiled.
Just to get this out of the way now
In my house, he’s “CarGo.” And we’re excited too.
"optimism 1 pessimism 0" ~Dirk
We don't have one .300 hitter in the lineup
Cargon doesn’t count. Just to optimistically look at things, is all!
year before was JayPay
last year Stewart. Same AVG
You’re right. I just lost a year for a second there.
"optimism 1 pessimism 0" ~Dirk
Quite alright neither were very memorable.
Eveland rocks! Eveland rocks! Somewhere Drew Carey just smiled.
I was hoping more of our Pitching
prospects were doing well this year. You could have traded away some pitchers for bats. But with DLS already under the knife its looking less likely
by asfaninpismobeach on May 31, 2008 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions
WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!!!
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
6 stright strikeouts for Cust lol
Whats the over/under? lol
by asfaninpismobeach on May 31, 2008 5:11 PM PDT reply actions
I can do that
swing hard at a few pitches and hope to get walked.
by asfaninpismobeach on May 31, 2008 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I can’t wait for an outfield of Buck C-Gon and Sweeney
Eveland rocks! Eveland rocks! Somewhere Drew Carey just smiled.
Where the hell was that 1-0 pitch?
and how was that not a home run?
The A's colors are green and gold.
does it look like Blanton's lost weight
or is it just the comparison to Ponson?
"optimism 1 pessimism 0" ~Dirk
I was suprised at fan fest how thin he was. I was picturing a very large man, but he looked somewhat athletic and fit in relation to how much people complain of his weight.
Eveland rocks! Eveland rocks! Somewhere Drew Carey just smiled.
Television adds 50 lbs
You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all. ~Earl Weaver
Oh wow…. its going to be an interesting night
by justarebelheart on May 31, 2008 5:14 PM PDT reply actions
Haha I have never used Goldilocks when reffering to Travis Buck.
Eveland rocks! Eveland rocks! Somewhere Drew Carey just smiled.
Consider the source, I guess. Sam guy who ruined Dukes bid for a no-hitter.
Eveland rocks! Eveland rocks! Somewhere Drew Carey just smiled.
And to think
I was only going to buy a 6 pack of Red Stripe. Im sure glad i decided on the 12 pack.lol
by asfaninpismobeach on May 31, 2008 5:17 PM PDT reply actions
I can't care enough about Texas
to muster “hate”... but I can’t stand their park.
"optimism 1 pessimism 0" ~Dirk
Okay...
...I’ll go with “dislike”.
A's, baby!
by Coach Cleats on May 31, 2008 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions
mlbtv sucks even more than usual tonight
I’ve seen like 3 pitches in the bottom of the 1st. Blech.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
hmmm... interesting
I’ve been watching mlb.tv most of the day and had no problem. I’m RAF, so I’m on old-TV now.
"optimism 1 pessimism 0" ~Dirk
Thats what im talking about though
Hamilton gets the run in there. Our guys would pop up or strikeout there.
by asfaninpismobeach on May 31, 2008 5:18 PM PDT reply actions
I suppose there are worse things
than having Sidney Ponson throw a perfect game against you. I just can’t happen to think of any at the moment.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
He's pitching pretty well.
I’m not sure when he became good.
by WaddellCanseco on May 31, 2008 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Sidney Ponson
throwing a perfect game then go streaking across the field in celebration? Man, that’s disturbing.
No bullshit
if Emil Brown gets a walk tonight. I swear I will buy all the beer at the AN day. Good beer too
by asfaninpismobeach on May 31, 2008 5:22 PM PDT reply actions
Count it bro
Im drinking Red Stripe as we speak. Im not worried though. You have to see more then 2 pitches to take a walk , so Im golden
by asfaninpismobeach on May 31, 2008 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Nope
he has to actually see four balls go by. He has done it 8 times this year. We will see about number 9.
by asfaninpismobeach on May 31, 2008 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions
What if Ponson drips some nacho cheese on his right hand while the Rangers are at bat
and then, not being able to control himself, licks the delicious, orange goo off each finger while Brown is up?
I think that would end up being a walk, even without Emil taking a single pitch.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
Hopefully Red Stripe does not equate to good beer.
Eveland rocks! Eveland rocks! Somewhere Drew Carey just smiled.
How are those lime and salt in the beer
Beer’s? I think they are made by Miller.
by asfaninpismobeach on May 31, 2008 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I've had 6 hour old beer with ice
Surprisingly good
by WaddellCanseco on May 31, 2008 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions
They called it "Fresh Beer"
Served only in the morning. Brewed around 3 AM.
by WaddellCanseco on May 31, 2008 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions
It actually tastes better with ice.
Surprised me too.
by WaddellCanseco on May 31, 2008 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Free beer = good beer
Don't blame me, I voted for Ice Cream
by Englishmajor on May 31, 2008 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe I should just finish packing now…
by justarebelheart on May 31, 2008 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Holy crap.
pam5981: Patience is a virtue that I do not possess.
ohtobe21likehuston: But you're good at drinking and cussing. Two out of three ain't bad.
Like this woman?
Don't blame me, I voted for Ice Cream
by Englishmajor on May 31, 2008 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions
You are making me feel guilty
My husband just asked me what was for dinner and I told him to open a can of chili.
Also would help if Blanton
stopped throwing meatballs up there
i stayed in tonight....
and was hoping for a nice relaxing night and a good game
ive been praying for blanton to be traded for so long now
At least I can be in misery
with fellow A’s fans. Use to be that I threw beer cans at the Tv with my girlfriend shaking her head. I got rid of the girlfriend and found you guys.
by asfaninpismobeach on May 31, 2008 5:29 PM PDT reply actions
before AN I was alone in my frustration.
subconsciously acting out that frustration in normal life…now I am have company in my frustration and consciously act out in normal life.
alaska A
Now I get pissed and then end up laughing later.
I guess its easier when you are suppose to suck also.
by asfaninpismobeach on May 31, 2008 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Defense aside,
Blanton looks dreadful so far.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
He's pitching like Ponson usually does
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
Cant pitch, cant hit and cant play defense
usually cant win.
by asfaninpismobeach on May 31, 2008 5:30 PM PDT reply actions
Blanton looks like he's having one of those games
where his fastball is straight and down the middle, and his curve kinda loops without really breaking.
He does this a few times a year—IIRC because his arm slot drops.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
I'm tired of making inferior pitching look like aces
Green Hulk Fists
by oaklandSMASH on May 31, 2008 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions
well on the bright side
I bet tonight will be Ziegler’s debut
Let's have our Piazza and eat the Cust too - SPWC
The Rangers have hitters all through the line-up we dont
Their #9 hitter is hitting better than anyone on our team (.290).
The lack of hitting is going to do us in.
Then again Jack Cust is due to break out of his current slump. I mean I am told he is our best hitter.
If he is then the GM needs to bring some people in asap.
who's the hayseed in the rangers tv booth?
alaska A
by ak_A on May 31, 2008 5:33 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
That's Nolan Ryan
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
I have no faith that we can with this game today
maybe its because despite we’ve only scored like 1 run in 3 games…
Yeah Zonis
Blanton already has nearly nailed the coffin shut
Do we need that glass half-empty conversation again?
by WaddellCanseco on May 31, 2008 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions
whether a glass is 1/2 empty
or 1/2 full
Depends on what’s in the glass.
"optimism 1 pessimism 0" ~Dirk
we need a designated body
cuz I’m not sure I wanna do shots off any ANers…
"optimism 1 pessimism 0" ~Dirk
I would love to get a beer helmet with the A's logo on it
the ones with the 2 hoses into your mouth
by asfaninpismobeach on May 31, 2008 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions
and we had it going on for awhile.
That’s the frustrating part to be on a winning streak and then to have injuries stop us cold.
Well at least we won't get no-hit tonight
Shutout sounds very do-able now.
(I know, it’s overly pessimistic, but you gotta go with your gut.)
It looks like both teams
are going with their gut: Blanton vs. Ponson.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Yeah, someone who'd punch out a judge on the beach
is capable of anything.
Don't blame me, I voted for oaktoon.
by FreeSeatUpgrade on May 31, 2008 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I am going to get my Ponson Vodoo doll out of the closet. Once I find it around the 5th inning we will be in business.
Eveland rocks! Eveland rocks! Somewhere Drew Carey just smiled.
It fits in the closet? Must be a walk-in.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
Vince just said that milton leads the league in OBP.
That’s ridiculous…if only billy beane (or anyody) for that matter could coral this guy for more than one season at a time.
We had him for 1.25
Billy’s a genius!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The A's colors are green and gold.
And he gets a lot of hits mixed in with that OBP
Bad attitude or not he carried this team up until we lost to Detroit in the second round.
This slump has me desperate.
Im pulling out the rally thong and drink a Smirnoff ice. Just dont tell my Mom, she will disown my ass.
by asfaninpismobeach on May 31, 2008 5:41 PM PDT reply actions
Blanton has one pitch working today,
and it’s the changeup. Time to pull a Doug Jones.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
LOL at Bay Alarm Home run Inning
Vince, save your breath…........
We just look thoroughly incompetent
in every aspect of the game tonight. I blame Nick.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Whoops, wait, wait a sec
I was sitting in my magical “everything-the-A’s-do-tonight-will-suck” spot on the couch.
Sorry about that. I’m moving right now.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
our own resident drunk is even leading off against him
But all he keeps doing is passing out on the lawn. He needs some power behind his punches…
We've had plenty of bad games...
but this is about as pathetic as the offense has looked so far.
The A's colors are green and gold.
AAAAH!
This team’s offense is offensive! Theyr’e making Sidney Ponson look like Cy Young! WAKE UP OFFENSE! Sorry, I just couldn’t take it anymore!
by A'sfansince1970 on May 31, 2008 5:49 PM PDT reply actions
Fuck all these guys right now
Man im fired up. Get some guys from AA. Shit get Dollittle up here. Get anyone that can hit a fucking baseball> Our leadoff hitter is hitting .231 for God sakes! Can any of you fucking Pro ball players hit a baseballl? Ok I feel much better now.
by asfaninpismobeach on May 31, 2008 5:50 PM PDT reply actions
Dude I get frustrated
I mean seriously. You live , eat and breathe baseball and not one everyday player on this team can hit over .275?
by asfaninpismobeach on May 31, 2008 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow Cat...
But I will say this, this shows how different the offenses have been. Cat just slaps the ball and gets a hit, the A’s can’t even get it out of the infield (save buck)
The Angels were doing their best to help us but unlike this team
they manage to manufacture a run or two at the right time.
Texas owns us so far this year so that should give un an indication of how far we are going at the moment
Gawd. These bastards are trying to really rub it in.
Basically just saying “since you A’s are sucking at everything right now I’m gonna run until you throw me out.” But I guess with E-Meal and Nervous Nelly Buck out there, I’d test these guys out too!
Sacrifice Chavvy
Since I think all bad things Oakland A’s begin with Chavvy … how about, you know, a human sacrifice?
Can anybody find for me the A’s record the last 4 years in games in which Chavvy played and games in which he did not play? I’m sure someone will prove me wrong, but I’d be almost dead certain the A’s are a more winning team without him …
Yarth
Not the game I wanted to wander into.
President and CEO of the Ryan Sweeney Apologists Consortium
God, people, can you calm down for 30 seconds?
Look, this team was hardly the ‘27 Yankees to begin with. And then, over the last few days, we’ve seen FThomas and both Sweeneys go on the DL. Chavez, coming off 3 surgeries, ended his rehab early to come back. Ellis is playing on an injured hamstring. CGon is making his ML debut.
We’re all excited to some extent to see new guys, or old guys we haven’t seen for a while, but to some extent this team is at a string-and-bubblegum phase.
This is what a rebuilding season can look like. Wear it.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
Well Nick.
It’s hard to take with such a promising beginning. We get what you are saying but we are watching a game and some emotion isn’t outta line. I am just glad it’s 3 runs. I am still hopeful for the game and THIS SEASON.
if we had sucked balls to start the season
I wouldn’t have any expectations and it wouldn’t hurt that we keep tanking for 7 games in a row
I know how frustrating it is
and I don’t mind seeing people express their frustration. But the “let’s call up Doolittle” and “let’s dump everybody - they suck!!” stuff - which is making suggestions about how to improve the team—is dumb.
Rebuilding teams are inconsistent, and we’ve been hit with a huge number of injuries and changes in the last week. I guess people can freak out if they want, but people on AN should really understand what this team is—and that should temper people’s “WE GOTTA GO FOR IT ALL NOW ON MAY 31ST!!!” stuff.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on May 31, 2008 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah,
that’s because there are a lot of morons in the game threads, which problem can only be solved by dropping out off contention…
The A's colors are green and gold.
It's frustrating to me in the same way that a certain-ANer-who-shall-not-be-named
kept posting his “Huston Streeet SUXXS11!!!1” stuff whenever Street came in.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
True, true
The team started out the gate playing over its head. There’s a lot to like this season, but it’s still a rebuilding year.
President and CEO of the Ryan Sweeney Apologists Consortium
Hmm, clever fellow, quick to anger
Enough of the Ponson speculation…was Nick in Aruba on 5/30/05?
Don't blame me, I voted for oaktoon.
by FreeSeatUpgrade on May 31, 2008 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow I just now realized J.Han is playing 1b. How is he doing?
Eveland rocks! Eveland rocks! Somewhere Drew Carey just smiled.
He made a nice diving stop, but then fumbled the ball
pretty good play on another ball.
The A's colors are green and gold.
and Blanton was right there
just a little too slow to get the runner.
"optimism 1 pessimism 0" ~Dirk
5th inning
Vodoo doll time. Found it next to the blow up goat.
Eveland rocks! Eveland rocks! Somewhere Drew Carey just smiled.
should have said
“found the Ponson voodoo doll BEHIND the blow up goat”
"optimism 1 pessimism 0" ~Dirk
Yeah! Bases loaded!
Never give up! GO A’S!
by A'sfansince1970 on May 31, 2008 6:01 PM PDT reply actions
My vodoo doll better get a write up in the post game wrap.
Eveland rocks! Eveland rocks! Somewhere Drew Carey just smiled.
YEAH!
LET’S GO OAKLAND! BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM! NICE ONE, BUCKY!
by A'sfansince1970 on May 31, 2008 6:03 PM PDT reply actions
YEAH! BASES LOADED!
Why are the Rangers announcers so surprised? It’s freaking Sidney Ponson! Yikes!
by A'sfansince1970 on May 31, 2008 6:06 PM PDT reply actions
But at least I didn't mention Duke no-no on the new game thread!
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
Whole new ballgame.
Thanks to a couple of bloops, and a sac fly. Certainly not the ‘27 yankees, but for now, i’ll take it.
or a drinking contest, or a barfight,
or a murdering a partygirl contest….
The A's colors are green and gold.
That was Hannahan's 3rd sac fly of year
All of them to left I think
Nice job, Hannahan!
I like Jack! I’m glad theyr’e finding room for him.
by A'sfansince1970 on May 31, 2008 6:07 PM PDT reply actions
Anyone catch the Ranger Girls in the crowd- White Cowboys hats. nice bodies??
I wonder if they are the Cowboys cheerleaders in the off-season?
They get to cheer for T.O. half the year, and Milton Bradley for the other half!
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
Texas has alot of hot chicks
I went there for a week on leave from the Army with a buddy.
by asfaninpismobeach on May 31, 2008 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions
It was the early 90's
so i thoought it was hot at the time.
by asfaninpismobeach on May 31, 2008 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Totally agree.
I only wish that they would have played M. sweeney some more games earlier in the year instead of Barton.
I think if Sweeney is out for more than a month the team should look to add a 1B.
Nice AB by Crosby so far.
He’s looking clutch. Oh well, I spoke too soon.
by A'sfansince1970 on May 31, 2008 6:09 PM PDT reply actions
OK that's weird
was supposed to come up under Nico’s gratitude for Nick moving.
"optimism 1 pessimism 0" ~Dirk
Weird stuff happens when you hit "Post" just as the page is updating
Exactly the same thing has happened to me before.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
Again, Nick, thanks for moving.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Now to get some negativity out before Blanton pitches
Don’t throw any more fat meatballs down the middle and blow the good that has just crossed the plate in the top half.
Go A’s
Ponson or Blanton?
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Jeez...
...
Blanton looks like a tomato can out there.
President and CEO of the Ryan Sweeney Apologists Consortium
Blanton about as worthless as goats
balls
Worst starter on the A’s bar none
What's bad about this is...
...Blanton’s trade value gets lower and lower with every start. Billy maybe should have puled the trigger in Spring Training.
A's, baby!
is there a particular story behind calling Blanton 'Cupcakes'?s
sorry, i’m kind of a noob around here.
but I do love yelling “C’MON, CUPCAKES!” at the TV.
And Geren will trot this huge tub of excrement back out for
more pounding especially if we score some more runs here
Blanton's always had a tendency to pitch games like this
It’s happened every year. Do you folks remember that putrid start in Tampa Bay (it was something like 8 runs in 1+ innings)?
He does this 5 times a year or so. Maybe he’ll have one season where, sorta randomly, he doesn’t do it at all, and he’ll win 20. But that probably won’t happen.
His tendency to do this is exactly why he’s an “innings-eater” and not a true ace. I don’t think that’ll exactly be news to any other GMs out there.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
Go Eric!
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
Hmm...
It occurs to me that NOT moving to the new game thread might be a clever way to ditch a lot of the negative posters.
Don't blame me, I voted for oaktoon.
by FreeSeatUpgrade on May 31, 2008 6:28 PM PDT reply actions
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