Off Topic Question and Debate: Who's Stupider, Athletes or the People Who Interview Them?
I get back from going down to the corner shop with my Super Big Gulp and Slurpee in hand (I'm really thirsty, so sue me). The Cubs have just wrapped up a win over the Cardinals by the score of 9 to 3. Ken Rosenthal is interviewing a player for the post game wrap to whom I think was Ryan Theriot, as I only caught part of the dialog before turning it off, and am not intimately familiar with the Cubs.
What does Rosenthal ask?
~'How important was it for Ted Lilly to have pitched 7 Innings, deep into the game, to save the bullpen that was taxed so much?'~
What could the player do but answer in the obvious "yeah, it was great, important, Lilly's such a great guy, next question" type deal.
Has the Ray Fosse School of Interviewing spread? Or has this always been the way that Sports Athletes have been interviewed? Are the athletes that stupid that they can not answer constructive questions, or is it that the interviewers can not think of creative questions to ask, and thus fall back upon questions that are answered within the question themselves, and which the only answer the interviewee can give is the affirmative?
Where does the problem lie, and will it always be with us? Because personally, I loathe such interviews, and turn them off immediately when I see them, because to me its an insult not only to the player, the reporter but also the fan, who has to sit through what attempts to pass as an intelligent discourse thats supposed to give some insight into the game they had just watched.
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I agree...
I’ve seen way too many interviews in which the sideline bimbo happily asks about “confidence” and other such obvious questions. It’s less of an interview and more of confirming a wrap up of the game. People complain athletes look dumb, but how intelligent can you be with questions like that?
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by Squeaky on May 3, 2008 4:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
And let’s not forget the “How do you feel?” question after a big win or loss!
"Baseball, it is said, is only a game. True. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole in Arizona. Not all games and holes are created equal." --George F. Will
by anomaly_kat on May 4, 2008 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How important was it to publish this post,
and happy are you that it came out so well?
(Correct answers: “12” and “a fish”)
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by Nico on May 3, 2008 5:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Of course, there's also the Mel Hall answer...
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on May 3, 2008 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oral history at its finest
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by Nico on May 3, 2008 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
After reading about the Modesto doctor in Tanzania
who nearly died on Mt. Kilimanjaro, came back to Modesto, sold off his rich trappings and possessions, and went back to Tanzania…
...where there are about 60,000 people for each doctor…
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/05/04/BA8MUSL28.DTL
I find it right up there with the attitudes of royalty in France, in 1789…
especially the gratuitous, passive aggressive “So sue me”.
"I never predict anything, and I never will." Paul Gascoigne, English footballer
by One won lost won on May 4, 2008 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
{files complaint in civil court}
I prefer to be civil about things.
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by Nico on May 4, 2008 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
noblesse oblige
Perhaps….
Though I’m finding “internet discussion” and “civil” to be distancing themselves.
Who am I to fight the immense tide??
"I never predict anything, and I never will." Paul Gascoigne, English footballer
by One won lost won on May 4, 2008 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I went with #1 but at the same time...
...I think it’s a bit of a challenge to come up with something deep to ask right after the game is over. People have seen what happened and it’s obvious that a starter lasting 7 innings is important no matter what else is going on, the guy who had four hits and a pair of homers had a big impact and so on.
Off the top of my head, I could think of some questions that relate to specific situations and strategies used over the course of the game, but past that I’m not sure.
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by Flashfire on May 3, 2008 5:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
My answer is...
Yes.
The monster at the end of this blog.
by grover on May 3, 2008 6:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I chose the third option.
I thought it was the most correct of the three.
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by Scottbass on May 4, 2008 12:50 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Neither
The problem is the way the modern journalism market works.
A TV journalist’s career success is directly related to the amount of face time he gets on TV. If he asks a short question and lets the interviewee talk for a long time, then the athlete gets all the face time and the journalist remains a no name. Now, you might think that that’s the way it should be, but because of how the market works, the no name doesn’t develop a reputation and so he doesn’t get hired as much. Even if the individual interviewers aren’t monopolizing interviews as a deliberate tactic, those who do so simply by their nature will drive out those who don’t.
A similar dynamic is playing out in political journalism. There the disease isn’t long leading questions but rapid rude interruptions. The interviewer asks some sharp question like “what’s your position on xyz?” The politician starts to explain, but before he can get a complete sentence in the interviewer interrupts and says, “Stop dodging the question: I want to know. XYZ, yes or no?” and it devolves into a stupid confrontation where the interviewer bullies the interviewee and as a viewer you just want to shout, “Jeez, shut the hell up and let the guy talk.”
Different disease, same cause. Same result, too: the interviewer does all the talking and the guy you really want to hear from hardly says anything. It’s all about the face time. Probably there are plenty of journalists out there who would like to be intelligent interviewers, but if they act on it, the market squeezes them out and they don’t get on TV.
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by iglew on May 4, 2008 2:46 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That's part of the equation
(Much rambling to follow. Reading it over, I estimate 30% is coherent. The other 70% appears to be devoted to bizarre off-topic Gwyneth Paltrow sniping, mean-spirited but on-topic Daric Barton sniping, and semi-on-topic, equally mean-spirited sniping at political journalists, schoolteachers, fireman, nuns, and Red Cross volunteers.)
1. It’s probably useful to note that most athletes, sorry to say, do not possess deep reservoirs of special insight that might be tapped if only some plucky journalist provided the proper catalyst. Certainly not about the world at large, and often not even about the sport they play. There is a reason so few former athletes become excellent broadcasters. Playing a game and articulating the mechanics of said game require wildly disparate skill sets.
2. I understand the desire to humanize sports, to seek texture for the games on the screen and the boxscores in the paper. It’s important, I guess, for people to be able to pretend that they relate to athletes, in the same way that readers of US Weekly relish photographic proof that, indeed, Gwyneth Paltrow goes to the supermarket just like you and me.
But … Expecting athletes to be “interesting” is, I think, silly and unfair. Maybe they are, maybe they’re not, whatever. It’s definitely not good policy to hold them up to any kind of standard in this regard, unless you crave consistent disappointment. (I know I do, which is why, any day now, I expect Daric Barton to keenly elucidate the nuances of opposite-field hitting and/or offer a sage commentary on the lifestyle of a pro athlete relative to that of the average American)
3. Guys like Rosenthal and Buster Olney are most at home discussing the particulars of three team trades and imminent manager firings, so while in-game television work no doubt augments their bank accounts quite nicely, it also pulls back the curtain on their “game knowledge” shortcomings. Thus, the excruciating reliance on cliche and the awkward attempts to pass off banality as analysis – “he really mixed his pitches”, “that home run to win the game in the ninth was crucial”, etc.
4. I wouldn’t draw quite as straight a line between entertainment and political media vacuity, other than to say, without reservation, that they both suck. A lot.
AN isn’t the best place for a dissection of the latter, so I’ll stick with a few generalized aspects of suckitude:
Expertise. Most political reporters don’t know the first thing about agribusiness subsidies or insurance mandates or resource conflict in Sudan. So, lacking the wherewithal (and the initiative) to frame intelligent issue-oriented questions, they stick with what they know or can easily grasp: Strategy, inconsistency (he said X in 1984, and now his position is slightly different!), and (mostly manufactured) “controversy”.
Attention span. In a word, dwindling.
Narrative. Once established, reporters are loathe to depart from it in any meaningful way. There are twists and turns, of course, but the basic framework generally holds. Issues get in the way of the story, and the story is everything.
Mediocrity. Just as the best and the brightest aren’t as well-represented as they ought to be in the teaching profession, so it goes with journalism. Especially in television, where (euphemism alert!) charisma is valued so highly.
by 74mk on May 4, 2008 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting discussion
As part of my job, I interview high school athletes. The interviews aren’t televised, as I’m a print journalist, so I’m not motivated by the desire to be on-camera longer. But I do sometimes ask those “annoying” questions you speak of.
Why? Maybe it’s laziness on my part, or maybe it’s lack of intelligence … but for whatever reason, my own innate curiosity does not always provide a sufficient supply of genuine questions to ask after a high school sporting event. I generally try to just converse with athletes when I interview them—I try to act like just a curious bystander. My job is made easy by interviewees who like hearing themselves talk; they go on and on and I barely have to say anything, and the things they say tends to generate questions on my part.
On the other hand, there are the shy interviewees who need a lot of guidance, and sometimes a 2-0 high school soccer game fails to generate a ton of questions in my mind, and at moments like these, I am more likely to fall back on one of those leading questions you speak of … which do feel sort of false as they come out of my mouth. If my whole goal is to get the athlete to talk, the best way to do so is by asking a real question, and so the non-question only emerges when I have failed to think of a real one, but time is of the essence, and I”m on the spot, and I feel the need to keep talking to avoid having the athlete just walking away.
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by rubin sierra on May 4, 2008 10:44 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The fact is, though, there is no potential
for anything good (i.e., interesting or insightful) to come out of asking a hitter, “How good does it feel to hit the game-winning HR?” or “How important is it to take advantage of an error opening the inning when you’re trailing against a tough pitcher?” These are leading questions that just instruct the player to repeat YOUR idea.
Better to fall back on equally unoriginal, but at least legitimate, questions like, “What pitch were you looking for…” or “What was your approach in that last at-bat,” which at least require the player to offer an answer that belongs to him, not you.
In sum, there is absolutely no point to a Ray Fosse interview. “How good does it feel…?” and “How much do you agree with my idea – a lot, right?” are not interview questions. They’re just wastes of time.
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by Nico on May 4, 2008 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
To me, it comes down to
whether or not you’re actually interested in what the other person has to say. If you really want to learn something, you don’t ask the leading question. If you just want to hear yourself validated, you ask a Ray Fosse question.
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by pam5981 on May 4, 2008 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
But what if I, the listener, don't want to hear Ray Fosse validated?
It’s such a waste of my time that I simply skip each and every Fosse interview because there is simply no point in listening.
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by Nico on May 4, 2008 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well put.
I would add that this really is a general principle. There are so many contexts in which an inquiry might be a real attempt to discover something you didn’t already know, or a phony inquiry designed to reach a predetermined conclusion—the task force assigned to investigate failed project X and determine why it went FUBAR, the scientific study to determine the good/bad health effects of product Y, the credit check to determine if potential homebuyer Z can be expected to make his payments. Plenty more examples come to mind, but several of them are political, so I’ll stop now.
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by iglew on May 4, 2008 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, you totally hit the nail on the head here, Pam
This is also true of good teachers. The better ones ask genuine questions in order to make their students think; and the result can be a dynamic discussion in the classroom. This as opposed to asking questions for which only one right answer exists.
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by rubin sierra on May 4, 2008 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Certainly an interviewer shouldn't get hung up on asking ORIGINAL questions.
After all, millions of these games have been played, and so these postgame interviews are a kind of ritual. If I wanted each of my interviews to be unique, I could do all sorts of surreal things, but my career probably wouldn’t last very long.
One distinction I’d make: Asking “how good does it feel to hit a home run?” is a leading question. Simply asking at the outset of an interview, “How do you feel?”, that to me is an open question and a necessary one. Yes, people may have predetermined thoughts about how the athlete feels; it may be “obvious” what the answer will be. But I think the interviewer’s function here is to actually give the athlete a chance to put it in his/her own words.
The first championship I ever covered, I hardly asked any questions afterward because I figured it was obvious how the players felt. Then my story was short on quotes, and looking back, I know that I blew it. What the hell did I travel all the way to the championship for, if not to get the players’ reaction to their victory first-hand? The thrill of victory and the agony of defeat may be obvious and these emotions may have been experienced a million times by a million athletes, and yet I think people still want to see it and hear it and read about it again and again. So after big games especially, I think asking an athlete to put his/her feelings into words is a worthwhile pursuit.
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by rubin sierra on May 4, 2008 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As a fellow HS sports reporter...
I completely agree. Sometimes those “annoying” questions have to be asked because you need to work with an athlete a little bit before you can ask deeper questions (to which they’ll probably say “Well, we just had to step up, coach told us to do X, so…” etc.)
How long have you been with the Advance?
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by JLaff on May 4, 2008 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
18 months ...
I didn’t know you were with the Union-Tribune now or I would have tried to contact you six months ago; I drove down to LA last December to cover the state championship football game, because Novato High made it and ultimately lost to YOUR Oceanside High School. At some point during the week leading up to that, I did call the San Diego UT and talked with a reporter down there who had covered the Oceanside team a couple of times; I forget whom.
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by rubin sierra on May 4, 2008 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
(Go OHS Pirates!)
Ah, the high school I would’ve attended if we had lived beside the ocean.
by cagrrrl on May 6, 2008 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Near the bottom of the home page,
on the right sidebar, there’s a ranking of “most commented” posts. (A rather pointless ranking, since it inevitably fills up with the five most recent game threads.)
If there were a ranking for longest comments generated, I think this post would be a favorite.
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by iglew on May 4, 2008 12:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It is because there are different types of threads
Ones that generate a lot of comments are ones that invoke short, rapidfire comments.
This thread is a discussion thread, which requires the poster to write out long paragraphs to articulate their thoughts, and then followed by either counter arguments, agreements or short strings of debates on small subjects.
by Zonis on May 4, 2008 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why bother asking anything
Why is it that post every game there are interviews, why is it obligatory? No wonder we get such rubbish questions, more often than not there is nothing that needs explaining or discussing, and if there is the player can’t really say what they would like too. Players are always very correct; seldom do they slag of their own or opposition players or even criticize their manager’s decisions.
Sports interviewing has become very bland and uninformative.
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by Dalesman on May 4, 2008 4:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I went to J-school and used to work in both TV and print...
so I am admittedly biased. Or fair and balanced, I should say.
A few semi-coherent, unrelated thoughts:
-Fosse isn’t a great interviewer in a journalistic sense. But, without fail, the players smile when they put on the headset to talk to him. And he’s welcomed inside the clubhouse, as evidenced by his presence amongst the champagne-doused locker room when the A’s clinched the playoffs in ‘06. Why do they like him more than they like a typical journalist? Maybe because he’s a former player, or because he’s a homer, or because he only asks softball questions. But I’d argue that there’s value to what he does. For one thing, I like seeing the occasional interview where players smile, laugh, relax and let there guard down a little, even if they aren’t saying anything I don’t already know. They do that a lot with Fosse. They also let him in the clubhouse, which allowed me to see that clinching celebration in ‘06, which was cool. Those things probably don’t happen if Ray typically asked hard-hitting, “What’s your real age, Miguel Tejada?!” questions.
As someone who once wanted his job or one quite like it, I recognize that he has his job first and foremost because he’s an ex-pro, and that there are plenty of non-ex pros who could speak more eloquently than him and think faster on their feet during an interview. But I’ve come to accept that. Doing otherwise would be like complaining about the son of the company boss getting the cool internship/job/promotion – fruitless. And as I wrote above, I still think Fosse serves a purpose.
-I think that players CAN give good interviews, but they are infinitely more likely to happen via email. Look no further than a Brad Ziegler diary or a Brian Bannister interview and it’s obvious that we still have tons to learn from players, and that many of them are bright and insightful.
But their insights don’t lend themselves well to 15-second snippets, when they haven’t been prepared for the question and haven’t prepared their response.
The benefit of a email interview, or an hourlong sit-down, like what Blez gets with Geren or Beane, is it gives the subject an opportunity to really talk in depth about something they know very well – baseball.
But I’d say that many athletes – high school, college, or pro – are not incredibly interesting people outside of their sporting life. Oftentimes they devote 70-80 hours a week to what they do, and thereby focus on it singlemindedly. To expect them to also be politically savvy, or witty, or up to date on pop culture and current events, or eloquent public speakers, is unfair. Think of the people you know who work 70-80 hours a week at something – maybe some engineers, some executives, etc. – I’ll bet they aren’t very interesting people outside of work, either. They don’t have time to be.
The athletes who are fascinating, witty, well-educated and well-spoken are usually smart enough to know that they more to lose by opening up and letting the world know how witty they are than they have to gain.
As for where sports journalism (and journalism in general) is going:
At the pique of my interest in journalism (I was still at Cal Poly), I tried out for ESPN’s Dream Job. I waited in line for the cattle-call audition in San Francisco for about three hours. They ended up giving everyone a 50 question sports trivia test that you had seven minutes to answer, crazy-hard stuff even for a sports nut. “Who is the Brewers’ low-A affiliate? Who was the NHL’s ‘73 MVP?”. Then we went into a mass interview in pods of around 15 people with an ESPN person. She would point to one of us and ask a question on the spot, and we basically each got one.
Anyways, long story short, I was impressed with the process, and excited by the opportunity…but disappointed several months later when I saw the winner, who was all potty humor catch phrases. That’s what I had lost to – potty humor.
They weren’t looking for a new journalist or a fresh face. They were looking for a frat boy and shock value.
I lost some naivete and some respect for ESPN at that moment.
I consider AN my journalistic outlet now. And it’s a great place to be.
by notsellingjeans on May 4, 2008 5:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You went to Cal Poly?
Me too. We shared a building – I was GrC.
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by pam5981 on May 4, 2008 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice
A GrC Poly grad – that’s no cakewalk. Something to be very proud of.
by notsellingjeans on May 4, 2008 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't tell if you're joking or not here.
LOL.
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by pam5981 on May 4, 2008 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was entirely serious
Three hour labs = not for me. I had a few GrC friends who seemed to have more schoolwork than us J-school kids did.
by notsellingjeans on May 4, 2008 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a good point about Fosse
His interview questions might be stupid, but there’s definitely value in the fact that the guys are happy and at ease with him.
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by iglew on May 4, 2008 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it all boils down to a simple equation
The more time there is to think of a question and answer it, the better it will be.
Of course, a lot of that depends on how talkative (or verbose, if we’re talking about something like an e-mail interview) the subject is. You could ask a question intended to generate a thoughtful response and get a very basic answer.
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by Flashfire on May 5, 2008 12:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cal Poly Alum
CE grad here.
So you been following Grant Desme at all?
by methodrampage on May 5, 2008 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
of course!
And Correia, and Garrett Olson, too.
by notsellingjeans on May 5, 2008 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
potty humor is the future of sports journalism?
Woo-hoo! I’m set!
And what did we do once we discovered a rift in the fourth dimension? We launched a monkey into it. @('.')@
by monkeyball on May 5, 2008 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another thing about TV
TV journalists are literally taught to dumb down their language. Less syllables, shorter sentences, no SAT words allowed. “TV is meant for the eye rather than the ear” is a phrase any TV journalist heard from a prof in college.
The rationale for that is people can’t just hit rewind if they don’t understand what you’re saying. Whereas in print, one could read a complex, Ray Ratto-esque sentence dozens of times if necessary.
I think a TV sports interview mostly serves the purpose of seeing an up-close view of the person’s face, hearing the sound of their voice, and getting a feel for their general mood. Expecting more than that in an unprepared athlete interview is unrealistic.
I guarantee most of us have a mental picture of exactly what Michael Jordan’s voice sounds like and what his face looks like. Not too many people could quote something relevant he said in a TV interview.
by notsellingjeans on May 4, 2008 6:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I know his voice well, but his face keeps changing
Oh, wait … you said Michael Jordan. Nevermind.
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by iglew on May 4, 2008 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another potential gulf in a TV interview:
The athlete might be a little bit intimidated by a person who often has a greater education or has a better command of words than they do. “Is this guy out to get me? Is he gonna trick me into saying something stupid?” That would naturally lead athletes to stiffen up and be bland.
Conversely, the interviewer might be intimidated by athletes who simply look intimidating. Being 5’5” and starting a conversation with someone who is 6’5 and conditioned not to trust you is scary. Sometimes interviewers ask softball questions because it’s all they can remember and say without with stuttering when their brain goes into fight or flight mode.
Hard to get a truly compelling minute of TV when both sides are taking that baggage into the interview from the get go.
by notsellingjeans on May 4, 2008 6:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You seem to be drifting from the original argument.
No one is saying they wish Fosse were more educated or used bigger words. The objection to Fosse is that he tends to word all his questions so that he (Fosse) makes the statement and there’s nothing for the athlete to do but say, “yeah, that’s right, Foss” and repeat what he just heard.
I think what we’d like to see Fosse do is ask a shorter question that’s just a question and not a statement, and let the player tell us his own thoughts instead of just repeat Fosse’s. None of that requires Fosse to use “SAT words” nor intimidate the player with his greater education.
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by iglew on May 4, 2008 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many interesting things would you say to the press about your day at work?
Players know everything they say to the press is heard by every team in the league and his own locker room. They also know that anything that comes out wrong could have serious negative effects on their career. The cliches exist for a good reason, and neither the journalist nor the player really want to break any new territory in a post-game format.
I work in a field in which there are never more than 2 or 3 degrees of separation between people. As a result, no one talks about anyone else unless they’re sure it’s a private conversation and they trust the other person. Baseball is no different.
by MrIncognito on May 4, 2008 7:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hence your user name?
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by Nico on May 4, 2008 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who is that masked man?
My dastardly scheme to anonymously post petty annoyances with hospital pharmacists in Chicago has been foiled!
by MrIncognito on May 4, 2008 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going Incognico m'self
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by Nico on May 4, 2008 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But you seem to wind up drafted in the NFL every year.
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by Flashfire on May 5, 2008 12:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, Flashfire, talk about how you made a great play on words regarding that user name, only to learn that that it’s not “Mister Incognito” who is picked every year in pro football’s National Football League draft with the final selection, but rather “Mister Irrelevant” - and how does it feel to have made such an irredeemable blunder out here on the World Wide Web for millions to see - and how cool it would be if there was an “edit” function for comments on Athletics Nation dot com, to say nothing of a “search” function, but that’s another leading question and I digress?
Hmmm?
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by The Dogfather on May 5, 2008 6:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mea culpa
I must have been more tired than I thought after about 15 hours out of the house to cover a game in Fresno.
Wow.
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by Flashfire on May 5, 2008 7:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Feelings, man, we want FEELINGS!
C’mon, how’d it FEEL, after a very long day, to post a short, humorous note on a favorite web site, only to have some pedantic jackass come along and make fun of your contribution? I bet you’d like to just punch that jerk in the nose, right? C’mon, Flashfire,
...was it Huge?
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by The Dogfather on May 5, 2008 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Truth be told?
Don’t really care. I’m only human.
(I’d be a boring interview, I think!)
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by Flashfire on May 5, 2008 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who is a journalist?
Since journalists are not licensed or certified in the way other professions are, and very many of us have no formal training in journalism, it’s a perpetual topic of discussion, especially these days when some of the old criteria have ceased to apply. New media has made it quite possible for someone to be a journalist without being paid, or having a formal relationship with a newsroom, or having an editor.
Anyway, in my personal and professional opinion, Ray Fosse is not a journalist. Ray Fosse is a broadcaster. The two are not mutually exclusive; many people are both, but I don’t think Ray is one of them, and I bet Ray would agree. He isn’t employed by an independent news organization like ESPN or the Chronicle for the purpose of reporting on the A’s, he’s employed by the A’s for the purpose of enhancing the experience of the audience during the A’s broadcast. He has conversations with players, but in the same way that, for example, Garrison Keillor has conversations with musicians about the song they are about to play and how they got interested in this particular genre of music. They’re not meant to be part of an impartial search for an objective truth, they’re conversations.
That said, I think Ray could refine his interviewing skills a bit; I don’t mind that his questions are leading so much as that they’re just too long, and as others have observed, don’t really leave the player with much to add.
The candy and the baseball all night long :)
by Englishmajor on May 5, 2008 9:57 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yup -- Insightful, as usual.
I would only add that I think Fosse is a grasshopper to Buan’s zen mastery of the windy question. A butterfly flaps its wings in Singapore, and causes a verbiage torrent on Extra Innings.
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
by The Dogfather on May 5, 2008 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent
Agreed on all points.
(I also fully endorse your decision to treat “criteria” as plural and “media” as singular, which I believe is exactly right, even though I know most of my fellow pedants would disagree.)
formerly known as mdl
by iglew on May 5, 2008 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My take?
“Media” is one of those words where a useful distinction can be made between two concepts by using different plural forms.
“The media is” = TV, newspapers, etc.
“The media are” = literally in the sense of different mediums of expression
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on May 5, 2008 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is no one to blame
IT IS WHAT IT IS!!!!!
by theblackpearl on May 5, 2008 10:41 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ray Fosse "IS...
WHO WE THOUGHT HE WAS! AND WE LET HIM OFF THE HOOK!”
by notsellingjeans on May 5, 2008 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just wanted to say
While watching the Sharks game, right before the 4th OT they interviewed some player (sorry, don’t really know hockey guys) and it was one of the best interviews I’ve seen in awhile of a pro sports player. Probably because the guy had a lot of information about what the players do if it goes into this many OTs and the toll it takes on their energy. Also what made it good probably is that the game hadn’t ended yet, and the guy being interviewed wasn’t playing, so they didn’t really ask any stupid questions. Also the guy being interviewed seemed really nice and willing to share all this information.
Anyone else see this?
LETS GO OAK-LAND!
by thingswecarry on May 5, 2008 8:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Poor Fosse
Did anyone hear when Ray Fosse interviewed Raul Ibanez on the pregame radio show before we played the M’s?
Ibanez said he loved the way Pete Rose ran the bases.
Ouch…
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by Travis Buck Nuckin on May 5, 2008 10:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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