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DLD 5/27/08: Never trust anyone over 29

 

Happy Birthday to Frank Thomas, born May 27, 1968.Bighurt2_medium

 

There is an interview with Billy Beane on the front page.  Read part 1, part 2, and (eventually) part 3.

Some USSM readers see almost every Beane comment as a personal attack on their own front office:

I mean, he didn’t reference the M’s FO by name, but wow, could he at least be a bit more subtle when insulting the M’s.

 

This was a sad photo.

 

Your 2008 Oakland Athletics - A Visual History

 

John Sickels of minorleagueball has a Top 50 Hitters Status Report.

 

It's still early, but these four teams

Rays 31-20 $44m (29)
Marlins 30-20 $22m (30)
D-backs 30-21 $66m (23)
A's 28-23 $48m (28)

are playing better than these four teams:

Yankees 25-26 $209m (1)
Mets 23-26 $138m (2)
Tigers 21-30 $138m (3)
Mariners 18-34 $118m (9)

 

Ichiro made a great catch yesterday:

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Lookout Landing:

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Yeah, that's a called strike three on a pitch well off the plate. Giambi obviously didn't think much of it, but then, this isn't a new phenomenon - umpires just have a crazy different strike zone for left-handed hitters. Check out this article by John Walsh, and, if you want to skip the meat, scroll down to the bottom. Hello, outside strikes. I don't know how or why this is the way it is, but a smart pitcher - that is, someone who's aware of PITCHf/x - that is, Brian Bannister - - should absolutely be using this to his advantage. Unfair or not, that's the reality, and it would be silly not to exploit it.

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More Pitch f/x:

Preliminary Aging Curve for Fastball Speed

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It appears that until pitchers reach 28 or 29, they increase the speed on their fastball by about 1.5 mph. After 29, there is a rather sharp decline in fastball speed.

During the next five years, pitchers lose just over four mph.

 

Another article on Pitch f/x:

Baseball's nerd machine

While nobody is sure what this means for baseball, it is generating a great deal of talk. Earlier this month in San Francisco, Sportvision Inc., the sports-entertainment technology company that helped develop the system, hosted a Pitch f/x "summit." By the end, the stats wonks, engineers and nine team representatives in attendance could barely contain themselves. "It's tremendously exciting for people like me," said Mat Olkin, a Kansas City Royals consultant.

Keith Woolner, the manager of research and analysis for the Cleveland Indians, said the ability to capture such detailed measurements is "the next step" in baseball knowledge and strategy.

...

The scene at the Pitch f/x summit was symbolic of baseball's increasing wonkiness. The 52 attendees — some of them college professors — met to discuss how to improve the system and how to interpret its results. Participants swapped theories about determining the coefficient of drag and made jokes about the difficulty analyzing Boston pitcher Tim Wakefield's knuckleball. Nine major-league clubs sent representatives to the summit, including the New York Yankees, Boston Red Sox and Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim.

 

5/29/08 DLD

 

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those are some huge +/- bars on that graph

You know what would be interesting? At age 29, split it into two trendlines: those who were out of MLB w/i 2 years of each data point, and those who remained active. I suspect you’d see the ranges shrink a whole lot.

I’d also be interested in seeing the same graph done for pitchers named in the Mitchell Report (just for the heck of it) vs non-named.

Just look at me. How can you not quake in my presence? @('.')@

by monkeyball on May 27, 2008 9:44 AM PDT   0 recs

not-especially-informative Chron article on A's attendance

This is the sort of thing that an editor should grant a writer about 2 more days of deadline on.

Just look at me. How can you not quake in my presence? @('.')@

by monkeyball on May 27, 2008 9:50 AM PDT   0 recs

rajai davis bashes oakland
“That’s one of the first things I noticed when I came over here,” said A’s outfielder Rajai Davis, who started the season with the Giants before riding the waiver line across the bay. His first game with the then-first place A’s was April 24 against the visiting Twins. The crowd count was 12,593.
“When I was over in San Fran, I know we were in dead last but they were committed fans and they came out,” Davis said. “Over here, even when we were in first place, the crowds weren’t like what you’d think.

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on May 27, 2008 9:54 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Naughty naughty

A player is not supposed to bash his fans.

"I don't know half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."

--Bilbo Baggins

by kaweahkaweah on May 27, 2008 10:06 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

how is he bashing the fans?

It’s an objective fact that SF draws more than the A’s.

Just look at me. How can you not quake in my presence? @('.')@

by monkeyball on May 27, 2008 10:09 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

that's definitely how some of the more sensitive fans will take it

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on May 27, 2008 10:12 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The "committed fans" part

could ruffle the feathers of some fans, since he is implying that A’s fans aren’t as committed. I’m not going to the coliseum with a torch and pitchfork in my hands, but I’m sure some will take offense.

"I don't know half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."

--Bilbo Baggins

by kaweahkaweah on May 27, 2008 10:19 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Hopefully our hitters

stat-addled alien overlord

by salb918 on May 27, 2008 10:19 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

hunh? that makes zero sense

If one is a “committed fan,” then presumably one attends a lot of games. Therefore, one would not be one of the absent, non-committed fans not attending games about whom Raj was speaking.

Just look at me. How can you not quake in my presence? @('.')@

by monkeyball on May 27, 2008 11:38 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Most A's fans

even the ones who don’t go to games, would like to think of themselves as committed A’s fans.

"I don't know half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."

--Bilbo Baggins

by kaweahkaweah on May 27, 2008 11:52 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

if they consider themselves "committed," but don't go to ballgames ...

... and they’re offended by what Raj said, then they’re delusional idiots.

Just look at me. How can you not quake in my presence? @('.')@

by monkeyball on May 27, 2008 12:00 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

No argument from me about that.

Heck, I think the last element alone would qualify one as a D.I.

"I don't know half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."

--Bilbo Baggins

by kaweahkaweah on May 27, 2008 12:21 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think you are totally right on a logical level

but on an emotional level, when I read it, my first thought was “you little shit” even though I do go to games and I am a committed fan. It’s just the way emotion tends to work.

"Don't be an ass!" --Bill King

by batgirl on May 27, 2008 12:54 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

many people react that way to my posts ;)

Just look at me. How can you not quake in my presence? @('.')@

by monkeyball on May 27, 2008 1:06 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Why, you little s---!!!

"I don't know half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."

--Bilbo Baggins

by kaweahkaweah on May 27, 2008 1:08 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Attending lots of games

has much more to do with being a wealthy fan. That’s why the A’s are moving to San Jose.

So it goes.

by jeepers on May 28, 2008 5:24 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

He can outrun the angry mob

stat-addled alien overlord

by salb918 on May 27, 2008 10:12 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

he's just trying to increase attendance

Or, if no one’s there to boo/jeer him, why not speak his mind?

Just look at me. How can you not quake in my presence? @('.')@

by monkeyball on May 27, 2008 10:08 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The rest of the quote would help

“I believe we have a really good team and we’re going to win a lot of games. The more we win, the more they’re going to come out. If that’s what it takes to win them, then hey, that’s what it takes.”

by jeffro on May 27, 2008 10:52 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

winning increases attendance. sure, davis is not denying that completely obvious point. that changes everything!

davis went from a dead last team to a first place team (at the time), and one of the first things he noticed was the low attendance in oakland, and says that despite the giants being a terrible team over the last four years (75-87, 76-85, 71-91, 20-31), san francisco has “committed fans” who “show up” to games.

and then the rest of the quote says… winning games increases attendance.
he’s not saying if the a’s keep winning, they will draw more fans than the giants.
so sure, davis is not denying that completely obvious point, that changes everything!

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on May 27, 2008 2:31 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

dangers of the copy-paste…

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on May 27, 2008 2:32 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh, Rajai. Crash needs to get over there

and teach you how to talk to the press.

They’re committed… to their wine.

And “San Fran”? Oh honey. There’s help, really.

"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."

by Kyli on May 27, 2008 1:53 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh Raj....

“just ‘cause you ain’t
s’posed to think don’t mean you ain’t
s’posed to use your head.”

Y’know, I’m just happy to be here
and hope I can help the ballclub. I
just want to give it my best shot
and good Lord willing, things’ll
work out… gotta play ‘em one day
at a time, Y’know…

http://www.imsdb.com/scripts/Bull-Durham.html

"optimism 1 pessimism 0" ~Dirk

by 149 on May 27, 2008 3:22 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

How does anyone explain Zito's rapid decline in MPH's well before

he should have lost those MPH’s? I have my suspicions.

by 33SwisherSweet on May 27, 2008 9:53 AM PDT   0 recs

"should have"?

zito never missed a start and pitched more innings than just about every other pitcher over that period.

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on May 27, 2008 9:56 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Zito was born in the DR?

Just look at me. How can you not quake in my presence? @('.')@

by monkeyball on May 27, 2008 10:07 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

LOL

I think I finally have the name for Monkeyball Jr.

Just look at me. How can you not quake in my presence? @('.')@

by monkeyball on May 27, 2008 11:49 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Be sure to stay out of Gatlinburg during the summer months.

“My name is Bariago—How do you do?”

“Now yer gon’ die!”

Congrats MB—I’d missed the earlier posting!

The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on May 27, 2008 12:24 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I missed it too...it was a FaNsHoT.

I never check those.

stat-addled alien overlord

by salb918 on May 27, 2008 12:27 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Me either. Congrats MonkeyMan!

"He's a misfit. He gets along with everyone." - Reggie Jackson, describing Joe Rudi

by McFood on May 30, 2008 7:21 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Celebrating Frank Thomas

-You cracked the bigs at 22, even though four years earlier, 891 kids were drafted, many from high school, and you were passed by. That’s determination!

-You’ve never pulled down more than $10 million in a season despite playing in the helium salary era. Either have we! You’re an everyman!

-Dude, you swing a rusted iron pipe (reportedly found during a renovation project in Old Comiskey Park) in the on-deck circle. How is that not stunningly cool?

-When you hit your 500th home run, you said, “It means a lot to me because I did it the right way.” Subtle, classy, but with a dagger. Nice!

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on May 27, 2008 11:19 AM PDT   0 recs

That article is beyond awesome.

If candy and lollipops and steel pipes were fused into some sort of awesome person, it would be Frank Thomas.

"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."

by Kyli on May 27, 2008 1:44 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Canadians are more accepting of offbeat ads

Although I must say there’s an element of this that makes me wince.

Just look at me. How can you not quake in my presence? @('.')@

by monkeyball on May 27, 2008 1:54 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I call Shenanigans

Every one of those reminded me of previous A’s ones (The Billy Koch one in particular, also Macha pulling up a shoulder launcher towards Eric (and, of course, the drummers dictating the lineup to Howe)). Does anyone know where theres an archive of those?

By the way, the BlueJays were forced to put on a “Don’t try this at home, kids” advisory on that commercial, and then had a Frank Thomas Pillow Day at the park

by As Fan in the Bronx on May 27, 2008 2:08 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I've been searching for those commercials for years.

Ever since MLB.com switched their format for video, they’ve been unavailable on the internet, as far as I’m aware.

"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."

by Kyli on May 27, 2008 2:23 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

are the a's commercials not on youtube?

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on May 27, 2008 2:33 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

some of the A's commercials are on youtube

I’ve always been partial to this one… even though it’s not an A’s commercial and maybe cuz I’m old. (I first saw this is Joe’s myspace page… then suddenly all MLBer’s pages were gone in a day. Some still there of a couple of guys who’ve come up more recently… but I’m not saying who.)

"optimism 1 pessimism 0" ~Dirk

by 149 on May 27, 2008 3:31 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Some of them, but not the really older ones

of the early 2000s, at least as far as I’ve seen… I check semi-regularly, but I’ve only seen back 3-4 years, though with the constant wave on YouTube I may have missed ‘em.

The drummers, Koch, pillowfighting, etc ones I haven’t seen on there. Yet. I hope for change!

They were available through the A’s website with some searching, until the video format change, so it’s quite possible someone’s got ‘em to post on a hard drive… somewhere…

"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."

by Kyli on May 27, 2008 5:40 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I might have something on an old hard drive

(My son was a huge fan of BoCro when he was a rookie, and I’m pretty sure he watched the video game spot 20,000 times.)

The A’s site used to have an opening splash page that played a driving version of ‘Take me out to the ballgame’. Said version segues, in my mind, into ‘Bob the Builder’

by As Fan in the Bronx on May 27, 2008 5:46 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

and, BOOOOO!

“Only the Hurt could make this uni look good.”

The yankeesbostoncubs.com caption for the photo in the ‘68 throwback uni.

Just look at me. How can you not quake in my presence? @('.')@

by monkeyball on May 27, 2008 1:57 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

embree's fastball, age 35-38

2005 73.4% (91.5)
2006 82.5% (92.9)
2007 87.1% (92.4)
2008 76.6% (92.7)

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on May 27, 2008 11:39 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Embree does not, somehow, get nearly the attention he ought to

for being an utter freak of nature.

How many lefties have sustained that kind of velocity into their late 30s? I’m having trouble thinking of any. Fangraphs doesn’t filter by handedness, but among pitchers who have thrown 20 innings this year, the only one I know is lefthanded (a lot of younger guys on other teams I just don’t know what hand they throw with) with a higher avg velo is Sabathia… by 0.1 MPH.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on May 27, 2008 12:27 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Billy Wagner?

But he’s an utter freak of nature freak. I believe he used to throw right handed but broke his right arm a couple times so he taught himself to throw left handed. I think I’ve seen the numbers somewhere but he used to hit 100+ mph in one season, as a closer, than everybody else in the league combined (this was a couple years back and may or may not be true).

by methodrampage on May 27, 2008 1:04 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm not sure why Wagner didn't turn up on my search

He’s sort of a “yes and no” answer to this question. His fastball is faster than Embree’s, but it’s been declining in velocity every year since 2005. Of course, it had a long way to decline.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on May 27, 2008 1:28 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

How many lefties have sustained that kind of velocity into their late 30s?

The question wasn’t how many lefties have kept a similar, yet high, velocity throughout their late 30s. But in response to your question, Wagner has sustained and exceeded that kind of velocity as a sub-6’ lefty in his late 30s. No, yes and no, about it. I mean, is it really reasonable to expect a 37 year old to throw 100 mph? Of course his velocity is going to drop (there aren’t that many pitchers who hit 100 mph to begin with), whether it bottoms out below Embree has yet to be seen but in my opinion Wagner’s feat is more impressive.

by methodrampage on May 27, 2008 7:43 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Sucks for this guy.

Balloon drifts away. Maybe they needed better anchor.

stat-addled alien overlord

by salb918 on May 27, 2008 11:42 AM PDT   0 recs

Like this?

"Tomorrow it may rain." - Leo Durocher

by andeux on May 27, 2008 11:46 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I was thinking more like

this

stat-addled alien overlord

by salb918 on May 27, 2008 11:58 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

And here I was thinking

you meant a more classy anchor.

"Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it?"-Steve McCatty

by 5Aces on May 27, 2008 2:30 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Wasn't Billy taking a swipe at Sabean? Here's the "offending" quote:

“We could operate where we have a whole generation of players well beyond its prime but there would be even less people here.”

I mean, if the flu shits, USSMrs, you can wear it, but that seems a little touchy.

The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on May 27, 2008 12:30 PM PDT   0 recs

actually I think he was once again refering to the post-80's A's

where they kept a lot of past-their-prime players and paid the price.

by Zonis on May 27, 2008 1:38 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

WOOOOOO!!!

No electricity at work today. No work with pay!!! WOOO!!

by Jennifer on May 27, 2008 12:38 PM PDT   0 recs

How is that different from any other day you're at work?

"I don't know half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."

--Bilbo Baggins

by kaweahkaweah on May 27, 2008 1:08 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

No one in Oakland’s system is going up there with the intention to walk. After all, no one walks their way to the Show. Instead the idea is to rack up the walks as the result of the pitcher’s respect for you at the plate.

This is very well put… no one, the A’s or anyone else, tells hitters not to swing at good pitches. What they want is guys who can identify what “their pitch” is, and then only swing at that pitch when they’re in a hitter’s count. That is what plate discipline means.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on May 27, 2008 1:37 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

This is a little nonspecific

If “it” means plate discipline, yes… plate discipline is very strongly correlated with walks. A lot of the time, if you wait for your pitch, the pitcher just won’t ever give it to you, and you’ll end up taking the walk.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on May 27, 2008 1:55 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

and, major-league pitchers are more adept at not giving you your pitch

Just look at me. How can you not quake in my presence? @('.')@

by monkeyball on May 27, 2008 2:01 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

okay, I'm grasping at straws here....

...but does anybody know where I can get a t-shirt that says “Athletics Princess”? My daughter saw one at the game on Sun and want one. Couldn’t find it in the store cuz it’s from last year.

by little A on May 27, 2008 1:13 PM PDT   0 recs

Hmm.

Check with the guys at the stadium store, it’s always possible they still have some in storage somewhere that they weren’t able to clear out. Also possible they’ll pop up at the tent sale at the end of the season. :-/ Good luck.

"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."

by Kyli on May 27, 2008 1:46 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs