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Monday Near-Midnight Minors Musings: Predicting the Draft Edition

In preparation of June 5th's amateur draft, Erik Manning from the excellent Cardinals prospect blog Future Red Birds has assembled a crack-team of writers from across the blogosphere to stage a "Mock Draft" that will take place at this Wordpress page starting this Thursday, going through to this Sunday. Erik invited AN to participate in this unique opportunity and I decided to answer the call.

Erik's idea is intriguing and I think it'll be a great way for bloggers from every stripe to get acquainted with this year's draft class right before the real thing actually happens. He's been able to get a dedicated person for pretty much every MLB team which is pretty outstanding work.

As I don't presume to be the end-all-be-all voice of AN, I really wanted to open this process up and see what the community feels about the A's draft strategy and intentions. Erik's intention is for this mock draft to try to be as accurate as possible, so each blogger/site has been instructed to make picks that he/she/they think their team will actually make and not make picks that he/she/they hope they make. In other words, we should probably stay away from picking anybody with sky-high, over-slot bonus demands since it's pretty safe to assume that Beane and Wolff will not piss off the commissioner by going too far over-slot.

Without further ado, let's start the discussion up. I'll go through a few of the names that the experts are connecting with the A's and at the end I'll post a poll where everyone can post who they think the A's will choose at #12 overall. I'll use that poll as "the voice of AN" and make our pick for the mock draft based on it's results.

 

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Draft Class Overview

There are plenty of prototypical "A's type" players in this year's draft class. By far the biggest strength and deepest pool of talent in the class are defensively-limited, power/patience-oriented hitters, primarily of the left-handed variety, who will more than likely end up as 1st basemen or DH's at the major league level. Usually those are the exact type of players that Beane targets in trades, drafts and free agent signings, so in every other year, with the A's picking in the 20's with their 1st round pick, predicting what the team will do would have been pretty easy.

But this year is different. As a "reward" for a sub-.500 2007 record, the A's will pick at #12 overall, the highest position they've held since 1999 when they picked Barry Zito at #9 overall, and will thus have access to the type of high-upside talent that is usually off the board long before they make their first pick. So instead of slotting the A's with just the most-signable, safest, high-OBP college hitter, I think it's safe to assume that with such a high pick, the team might consider eschewing their conventional draft strategy and aim more for the highest-upside talent regardless of position. As A's baseball ops guru Farhan Zaidi said in a recent interview with Scout.com:

The combination of having a high pick and having increased depth in the farm system is giving us a chance to take a higher ceiling player than maybe we have in the past...In the past, we really couldn’t afford to miss with our first pick. There was such a steady pipeline of guys to the big leagues that we had to hit with the first pick just to keep some sort of inventory in our farm system. We couldn’t go out on a limb as much and take a high-risk, high-ceiling type talent. Now I think we are in a position to do that, which is also very exciting because there aren’t that many opportunities to add high-impact type players and this pick could be one of those times.

Quotes like that, in addition to the organization's recent expenditures to increase scouting operations across the world and the team's recent willingness to draft high school players, certainly complicate the picture for us trying to predict what the team will do...but it also makes this process much more fun as we can now assume that the organization will likely take the best talent available for once.

The way I see it, there are only maybe 4 or 5 players that will certainly be drafted by the time the A's pick at 12. These include High School shortstop Tim Beckham, Vanderbilt 3rd baseman Pedro Alvarez, college arms Brian Matusz and Aaron Crow and former A's draftee Justin Smoak. In addition, it is highly likely that University of Georgia shortstop Gordon Beckham and Florida State catcher Buster Posey will be drafted before number 12. So for the sake of time, I'll eliminate all 7 of those names from consideration, Pretty much everyone else is up for grabs. Let's get to it:

College Pitchers: LHP - Christian Freidrich - Eastern Kentucky & RHP - Shooter Hunt - Tulane

With Fresno State righty Tanner Scheppers succumbing to a stress fracture on his pitching shoulder and being shut-down for the rest of the season, Freidrich and Hunt have become the two top college arms beyond Matusz and Crow. Freidrich is the safest bet. He's a polished lefty with four average-to-above-average pitches that he mixes well and can locate most of the time. So far this season, he's got 1.78 ERA with 86 strikeouts and 24 walks in 65.2 innings. He projects as a mid-rotation starter in the bigs. Hunt is a big, strong workhouse type righty with a good fastball/curveball combination and a developing changeup. He's a bit wild but his stuff helps him out. So far this season, he's hurled 91 innings and has 2.45 ERA with a 119 K's, 51 walks and is holding batters to a .156 batting-average-against. He projects as a solid 3/4 starter in the bigs.

College Hitters: 1B - Yonder Alonso , Miami; 1B/3B - Brett Wallace , ASU

Alonso's one of the best all-around hitters in the class. He's a big lefty with big-time power (.799 Slugging Percentage so far this season), a great eye and good contact skills (.380 average so far). He's already hit 21 homers so far this season and has a wicked 65-to-28 walks/strikeout ratio. He's a decent defensive first baseman and isn't a terrible baserunner, despite his sizable frame. The big knock on him has been his platoon splits. Scouts say that even mediocre college lefties can get him out pretty easily. Wallace, although probably THE prototypical A's-draftee, is being heavily scouted by the White Sox and the latest rumors indicate Kenny Williams and Co. are likely to take him with the 8th overall pick. Even so, the draft is a constantly-shifting monster so the 6'1 Wallace might be available for Beane. Wallace, while playing a lot of 3rd for the Sun Devils, will almost certainly be limited to 1st base at the advanced pro-levels. As a hitter, Wallace is a lefty-swinging masher. So far this season he has hit .412 with a monstrous 1.291 OPS with 20 homers, 78 RBI's and an excellent 42 to 31 walk to strikeout ratio. If he falls to the 12th pick, Beane just might catch him.

High School Pitchers: RHP Ethan Martin, RHP Aaron Hicks & RHp Tim Melville

It's almost unfair to label either of the first two prepsters as exclusively pitchers. They are both legitimate position player prospects as well. Hicks is probably the most talented pure athlete in the draft class. Scouts drool over his tools. On the pitching side, he sports a mid-90s fastball and a plus, spiking curveball. As a position player, Hicks is a plus defender in center who's a switch hitter with raw power to all fields. Martin is brand-new to pitching as he was just converted to a starter after spending his first high school years in the left-side of the infield. He's apparently armed with three plus-pitches: a mid-90s fastball that he can sustain late into games, a power-breaking curveball, and a split-fingered fastball. He's also reportedly got good command and good mound presence. As a position player, Martin has plus raw power from a right-handed swing and he's a good defender at the hot corner.  Melville is a big-bodied righty with a low-90's fastball, a knuckle-curve and developing changeup. He's got good command for a high-schooler.

High School Hitters: C Kyle Skipworth ; 1B Erik Hosmer

Both of these guys could very easily be off-the-board by the time the A's select at 12th overall. But there's a bit of a gray area among the experts as to where they might go, so I'll keep them as options here. Skipworth, with a pretty lefty swing, improving defense behind the plate and good leadership skills, has been connected to the A's in rumors going around the Net. Hosmer might just be the best raw hitting prospect in the draft class, as he sports an advanced approach for a high-schooler to along with loads of power potential. He also is a good defensive first baseman...but he's "advised" by the Scott Boras Corporation which means that even if he's still around when the A's pick, there is little chance that he'd sign for anything resembling "recommended slot money".

Conclusion

It's certainly going to be an interesting 1st round for the A's. It's usually sure folly to even attempt to predict anything that Billy Beane might do, but the least we can do is to get a sense of whom Beane might target once he makes his mind up in whichever direction he wishes to take. For instance, if the organization is looking to play it safe and add even more pitching to the farm, then I can see Beane certainly taking Freidrich or Hunt with his first pick. Along the same lines, if Freidrich or Hunt is off the board but he still wants to play it safe and get a polished product in the system that has a chance to help out the big club by the end of this decade, then I could see him grabbing Alonso or Wallace (whomever is left on the board).

But if Beane is committed to getting the highest-possible upside player into the system, then you've gotta believe that he'll seriously consider Skipworth as a potentially high-impact talent at a premium position. Likewise, I could really see Beane targeting both Hicks and Martin. While both are raw products, the fact that both have top-flight skills as both pitchers and position players somewhat lessens the risks involved with selecting the high schoolers. For instance, say Hicks' power stroke never fully develops, he can always be converted into a power pitcher. Ditto Martin.

So what do ya'll think? Did I miss someone that might be a Top-12 pick? Will Beane follow his own tradition and play it safe with a polished collegiate product? Or will he take a big chance with this rare high-draft pick and go for a player that might be a long ways off from helping the big club but might be a star once he gets there?

 

Poll
Who will the A's draft with their 1st round pick (12th overall) on June 5th?
1. LHP Christian Freidrich - Eastern Kentucky
29 votes
2. RHP Shooter Hunt - Tulane
14 votes
3. 1B Yonder Alonso - University of Miami
18 votes
4. 1B/3B Brett Wallace - ASU
102 votes
5. RHP/INF Ethan Martin - High School
23 votes
6. RHP/OF Aaron Hicks - High School
32 votes
7. C Kyle Skipworth - High School
25 votes
8. RHP Tim Melville - High School
6 votes
9. Someone else
38 votes

287 votes | Poll has closed

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i didn't read any of this yet

but we have plenty of pitching and first basemen, so i’ll go with catcher kyle skipworth.

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by xbhaskarx on May 26, 2008 10:12 PM PDT   0 recs

A lot of who the A's draft depends on who falls where

If Gordon Beckham falls to us, I’m sure he’d be who we’d want in a perfect world. If that happens, I’d be ecstatic. As it is, I don’t know. I’m conflicted. If Wallace was a great defensive 3b I’d say it would be easy for us to choose him (if he would fall to us in that hypothetical; even now he might not). I guess he’s who I would bet we will choose. He’s a local product and is just too much like our (old?) philosophy to bet against. He could be the new Swisher-type pick (he was a #16 pick or something, right?).

"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton

by vignette17 on May 26, 2008 10:18 PM PDT   0 recs

wallace

is an unbelievable hitter. i played against him for years in summer ball and showcases. the guy has power to all fields. i’m not sure if he’s a third baseman, but a bat like that gets into a lineup.

"It's not my fault your team's so shitty." -Steve Friend, head coach, Chabot College, to Laney College's head coach, who asked why we scored so many runs after we beat Laney 30-3 in 2006

by flipgatey3 on May 26, 2008 10:35 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I've seen it firsthand too

I played against Wallace a couple of times as well. But if he can’t stick at 3b, he’s still behind Doolittle, Carter, and Barton on the depth chart at 1b. Whereas our 3b depth chart for the future looks like Chavez, ?, ?, ?. Not to mention our middle infield. If Wallace can’t stick at 3b we might be better off drafting a different position (I know, drafting for position is often a bad strategy).

*I suppose if Guzman hits at Sacramento like he has at Midland (3-5 today; he needs a callup) he could get a chance to play at 3b or 2b in the majors. Anthony Recker similarly destroyed a league last year and it took 56 games for him to be called up (and that’s with frequent rest due to Recker being a C). For oldish prospects like Recker (who has an OPS of .811 at AA right now; .970 in May, but Powell is struggling at AAA; perhaps if Recker keeps raking they could share time in Sac?) and Guzman, I would think it would be better to be slightly aggressive with them. Otherwise, despite good performance they may never get a chance due to their ARLs.

"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton

by vignette17 on May 26, 2008 11:19 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Wallace is not a 3B

So sayeth Sickels, BA, BP and MiLB.com.

But let’s play Devil’s Advocate here. Hurt and Sweeney (and Brown) are gone next season. Wallace is doubtful to be ready by April 2009 but there’s a chance he could tear through the minors and be ready by mid-season, especially if the A’s sign him immediately and get him into the system ASAP. He projects to be an impact bat and that’s a definite plus.

It would be easy to defend the choice if the A’s picked Wallace.

But I’m still hoping for Ethan Martin.

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on May 27, 2008 6:42 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Perhaps worth adding to the discussion...

Brett Wallace is born and raised in the East Bay, and a lifelong A’s fan. Favorite player is Eric Chavez.

"Let’s just hope he’s not a complete turd out there." -thejd44, describing Crosby's best scenario.

by notsellingjeans on May 26, 2008 10:45 PM PDT   0 recs

The A's should draft whomever is the best available

But the A’s will draft a should-be-4th-rounder who promises to go for underslot money.

by Zonis on May 26, 2008 10:47 PM PDT   0 recs

Is that really the case anymore?

The A’s are below their normal payroll at the major league level so they probably have a little extra cash to play with in the draft. Plus they have been spending a lot on scouting and international players this year. They also only have one first round pick this year.

And I don’t think their last few picks have been penny-pinching ones. Simmons wasn’t, was he? Sure, he wasn’t Rick Porcello but he wasn’t Jeremy Brown. And their last few really high picks (i.e. pre-20) haven’t been below slot. Swisher wasn’t, Zito wasn’t, nor any of the earlier picks IIRC.

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by vignette17 on May 26, 2008 11:02 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Simmons signed for exactly the slot figure

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by PaulThomas on May 26, 2008 11:36 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

that's such bullshit zonis

have the a’s drafted 4th round talent in the 1st round under the new ownership?

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by xbhaskarx on May 26, 2008 11:25 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

As long as we don't draft a Cliff Pennington

I’m happy

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by lenscrafters on May 26, 2008 11:58 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Problem with that statement

Moneypenny was a legit 1st round prospect who hasn’t panned out.

Because that happens sometimes.

So are you saying you don’t want the A’s to draft someone who legitimately deserves to go in the 1st round or are you asking the A’s to peer into the future and take someone they know won’t bust?

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by grover on May 27, 2008 6:45 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Have the A's EVER done that with their first pick?

Back in 2002, when they grabbed Jeremy Brown, et al before they took the bargain picks they had also drafted top prospects Nick Swisher and Joe Blanton, who they felt lucky to have them drop to them and who signed for slot money …

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by devo on May 27, 2008 2:09 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

One obvious problem

is that all those hitters are left handed. And we all know the A’s lack lefty bats in the organization, right… =/

by Zonis on May 26, 2008 10:48 PM PDT   0 recs

I hope we go with Wallece kid

I think we short in hitting in the minor leagues, we need a third basemen and he play that postion to

by buckfan6 on May 26, 2008 10:53 PM PDT   0 recs

My vote is Christian Friedrich

(Taken with a grain of salt, because I can’t see any of them and can only look at their stats). But my vote is based more on what I think is part of the A’s drafting theory.

I don’t think Beane believes you can ever have too much pitching, or too many projected 3/4 starters, for that matter.

Excess quality starting pitching represents the ability to trade for whatever you do need – which is often difficult to project years in advance. And it’s the only position where a surplus practically guarantees you the ability to trade for what you do need.

Starting pitching is the most tradeable commodity and the best asset in the game. Every team in the game can always stand to improve upon the starting pitching they already have (except, perhaps, the A’s right now – and that’s clearly by design). Even if Friedrich does only become a 3/4 starter, he would then represent an upgrade over the back-end of the rotation for nearly every team in the game.

Thus, you have 28-29 potential suitors who’d be at least mildly interested in him later on – because at the very least he’d be better than 28 other teams’ fifth starters.

The same is not true of drafting a future first baseman (Alonso, Wallace). Year in and year out, 20-25 teams will inevitably have first basemen that they’re satisfied with or can’t bench because they’re paying them so much. Then there’s maybe five teams who’d like an upgrade – but to be an upgrade for that team, and be worth giving up something in return, the player in question would have to be able to OPS at least around .800. Plus, he’d need to liked by one of those teams in question, and that team would have to be willing offer something the A’s wanted in return, too.

If we go down that road mentally for a little while, it’s easy to see why a projectible minor league starting pitcher is the easiest commodity to trade, and the best to have as trade bait. Well, it’s behind “proven, cheap major league starter” (Haren), but that solidifies the point, too.

Here’s a different way of looking at it: There are only 30 spots to fill in MLB for first basemen. There are 150-180 spots teams need to fill at starting pitcher, conservatively factoring in attrition.

So unless Wallace or Alonso go bonkers and become Prince Fielder, I’m attempting to use the argument above to say that, all other things being equal, a starting pitching prospect will have greater perceived value leaguewide, and thus be more likely fill a future need…whether in the A’s rotation or in a trade package later on.

Unless there’s a player on the board that blows Beane and Co. away, I think you could make an argument for drafting the best, most projectible college pitcher on the board – James Donald Simmons version 2.0, 3.0. etc. – almost every year in the first round. He’s further along in the injury nexus than a high schooler, and he’s more likely than the typical draft pick to fill an important role in the major leagues – for the A’s or another team (because again, there are more jobs in his line of work, and greater demand). What he has to do is stay healthy – and Simmons’ three years of college work suggests he will.

For the A’s, this year’s Simmons would be Friedrich, with slightly more upside. But it would be same theory in play:

Treat starting pitching like index stocks – De Los Santos/Meyer/Harden/Blanton/Lansford/ Gaudin/Smith/Eveland/Gonzalez/Windsor/Duke/etc. – and if half of them are hurt or ineffective at any given time, you still have 5 or 6 cost-controlled good ones, which the A’s currently do.

I think the A’s budget that starting pitching surplus better than any other team. Too many teams simply go into Spring Training with five “name” starters and cross their fingers, and often get burned.

"Let’s just hope he’s not a complete turd out there." -thejd44, describing Crosby's best scenario.

by notsellingjeans on May 26, 2008 11:29 PM PDT   0 recs

Not gonna +1 you here

Drafting a SP because you can always trade him later only makes sense if you’re getting a great value at the slot… unless Crow or Matusz falls to #12 I don’t think there’s a college arm that warrants that draft spot. So you’d be reaching (slightly) to pick up your prized commodity. It’s like buying a $15 stock at $20, even if you sell it at $25 you didn’t get the full value because you started in the hole.

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by grover on May 27, 2008 7:38 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

great post

though I vote for Aaron Hicks to be their draftee, and if Skipworth or Beckham fall down to them I’d pull the trigger on those guys too. What I want is for the A’s to take the high guy on their draft board, and not overthink it too much. But since we certainly won’t know who that is before the pick, and may not ever know, we all must guess.

Also, in many cases a 1B is filling a slot as DH and some LF slots on mlb roster, so the ability to capitalize on an elite but defensively challenged hitter is not as stark as you paint it. The point still stands though, good minor league pitching is always a tradable commodity.

by jakarta on May 27, 2008 7:41 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Great post, notsellingjeans

Lots of ideas and thoughts expressed. As others point out, the A;s need to take the best player available and that will not be known until the teams ahead of them select their draftees.

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by Charlie Brown on May 27, 2008 9:47 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm in the Hicks/Martin camp.

All things being equal, I think it’s better to go after hitters than pitchers in the draft.

The main reason is, according to this piece in THT, hitters will bring better returns over the length of their contracts.

Not that I’m against acquiring pitchers by the boatload, I just think that it’s better to do it via trade. Let other teams split some of the risk of attrition with you and buy in further down the line. Middling pitching prospects are more likely to surprise than middling hitters. Take the surprises, the bad and the good, and pile up a large group of guys who project to be 2–4 starters. That’s what I see Beane doing.

by rebus on May 28, 2008 3:04 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I know, draft for talent and not for need

I really don’t know if Wallace will be anything more than another 1B prospect for us. We really need some talent at the skilled positions. If Ethan Martin is available I would take him as a 3rd baseman. Yes call me crazy but I think that raw power of his can play out. And these 2 way players lately seem to find a way to the majors one way or another. I think he has the chance to be a impact bat at the major league level but that just might only be me. Or he could be that dominating pitcher that could head our rotation for years to come. Either way if we pass on him I think we will be regretting it for a long time.

by AthleticsReign on May 26, 2008 11:30 PM PDT   0 recs

I would actually be surprised

if the A’s don’t draft Hicks if he’s available, for several reasons:

1. They’ve been looking to add athleticism to their outfield for a few years now, with the choices of raw (albeit collegiate) bats in Jermaine Mitchell and Corey Brown;
2. If they see him as a pitcher, they have a track record (see: Jared Lansford, Marcus McBeth, Tim Hudson) of converting athletes into highly successful pitchers);
3. If Zaidi is correct and the team is looking for upside more than certainty, he appears to have the highest upside of any of the players who we can reasonably expect may be around at the A’s draft spot (sorry, Skipworth fans… it’s not happening, someone is going to take him).

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by PaulThomas on May 26, 2008 11:42 PM PDT   0 recs

I'd use points #2 and #3 to go after Ethan Martin

Just a gut thing, but I think Martin has a better shot at making it then Hicks.

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on May 27, 2008 6:49 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

yeah, i agree with both posts

this is also what I am thinking, and I hope they pick either of these guys IF their scouting agrees, go for the one who you like better.

by jakarta on May 27, 2008 7:44 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

What about middle infielders that can hit?

I’m not up on the prospect watch, but isn’t one of the A’s biggest needs that of middler infielders that can hit? It doesn’t seem that any of our young middle infielders are panning out in terms of fielding and hitting. Are they? I mean Ellis is probably a couple of years away from decline and Crosby is still Crosby (although improved so far this year). Both will probably become too expensive for their value in the upcoming years. Any high ceiling middle infielders available around the time the A’s pick?

by oaktownmario on May 26, 2008 11:46 PM PDT   0 recs

Jemile Weeks has been bandied about as a possibility

but he would probably be an overdraft at 12. He doesn’t have a great deal of power, and his arm limits him to second base.

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by PaulThomas on May 27, 2008 8:09 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

yes

good post, plus he isn’t as heralded as his brother was, or as good probably

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by flipgatey3 on May 27, 2008 2:19 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

In the 2nd round

I would love for the A’s to start collecting some high risk high reward type players Destin Hood and Anthony Hewitt would be nice if either were available.

by AthleticsReign on May 27, 2008 12:11 AM PDT   0 recs

Skipworth has a great name.

But will he still be available? Every report I have read, shows he will be picked in the Top 10. For the A’s, the sun may shine on June 5th. It will only take one team prior to the A’s to throw a monkeywrench into the works. If Skipworth is available to the A’s, would they draft someone else? I don’t think so. My early money for the A’s was on Christian Friedrich. He’s the consensus # 2 left-handed pitcher behind Brian Matusz. He might also be gone. This draft is going to be allot of fun to watch & see what develops. There is no consensus, hands down # 1 pick. The Top 2 position players by talent, appear to be Tim Beckham & Pedro Alvarez. An interesting sidenote, would be if Tampa picked Alvarez. Vanderbilt would be the first college team to have the first overall pick drafted to the same team in consecutive years. Unfortunately for Alvarez, he plays 3rd base. This Draft will be interesting from the start. Once the first five picks are established, it might make some sense. Let’s keep our fingers crossed.

by alpine26 on May 27, 2008 1:27 AM PDT   0 recs

Throw in a few things

Drafting a HS Catcher is one of the longest odd bets in the 1st round.

I agree you can never have too much pitching but the A’s don’t need to pop a college trained pitcher at #12, it would be a safe play and I’d like to see the A’s be more aggressive at their slot. Oakland doesn’t have any extra picks this year, they should go for the biggest impact they can find at #12. That does not describe Freidrich or Hunt.

There is a rumor that the White Sox could pop Wallace at #7. Kenny won’t return the phone calls I never left him to confirm this though.

Drafting Melville instead of Hicks or Martin seems dumb. Scouts say Martin and Hicks have the chance to make it as position players or as pitchers, why not (essentially) double your odds by drafting someone with two ways to advance?

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on May 27, 2008 7:01 AM PDT   0 recs

I agree completely about Martin/Hicks.

Those two guys are so athletic and so young that they could be theoretically molded into whatever type of player will give the team the biggest impact on the field, whether that be power-hitting corner infielder (Martin), 5-tool center-fielder (Hicks) or flame-throwing pitcher (both).

Conventional wisdom suggests that without any comp picks Beane will play it safe and draft the most advanced/polished product left on the board at number 12, but since many of the other teams drafting before the A’s at 1 to 11 seem to be leaning towards college players (Chisox, Rangers, Astros among them) it actually makes sense that Beane would perceive a greater value with one of the high-schoolers.

BTW, you gonna be online at all Thursday night? That’s when I think I’ll send in the pick to the Mock Draft and I could probably use some assistance in making the right pick, depending on what the other teams do.

by Taj Adib on May 27, 2008 8:38 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm a wildland firefighter, so no guarantees

But I should be available after 7 PM on Thursday.

Just Round 1, right? I’m not up for an all night gig.

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on May 27, 2008 8:21 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree about being aggressive

Even with 1/2 of the A’s top pitching prospects injured right now, they’ve still got as many arms as any other team, in terms of both major leagues and players still in the minors. I don’t think they need to go with a “safe” college pitcher.

I personally think they should just take the best player, regardless of level and/or position. If it happens to be a college pitcher, so be it, but I just don’t think it’s a stop where they need to play it safe.

by rageon on May 27, 2008 9:12 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Skipworth is being compared to Joe Mauer

Good points as usual Grover. The 2008 First Year Draft is supposed to be deep in overall talent, with no sure-fire # 1 player. I truly believe we have exceeded the bell curve in terms of Cahill & Simmons. Can we expect the A’s to be any different this year? Are we going to go out on a limb & pick player X, because of tools or projections? It would be nice to shoot for the moon, but this flies in the face of Beane’s philosophy. This draft is supposed to have an abundance of 1st base prospects & two really good catchers: Posey & Skipworth in the top 15 picks. We can expect Beane to try to pick whoever the best player is left out of the consensus Top 15. It could be Scheppers, Hicks, Friedrich & or Skipworth. If the A’s decide to entertain offers for Street, it could be College relievers Josh Fields or Andrew Cashner.
Skipworth at this time is being compared to some as another Joe Mauer. We all know how this can work out.

by alpine26 on May 27, 2008 10:27 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

college relievers?

with or without street the a’s have no shortage of relief pitching, both now and in the future.
i really hope we don’t draft a reliever with the 12th pick…

skipworth: “mauer with more power and worse defense” is really tempting.

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on May 27, 2008 11:10 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes, it is

So tempting that I guarantee (like 95% certainty) that he will not be available when the A’s pick.

It just isn’t worth getting excited about him (except in a general “I like good young prospects” sort of way), because he is not going to be an option.

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by PaulThomas on May 27, 2008 11:15 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

okay then i'll have to settle for justin smoak!

i change my vote from skipworth to brett wallace.

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on May 27, 2008 2:46 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

If Skip was being called the next Mauer...

Wouldn’t he be getting some play as the #1 overall pick? From everything I’ve read (none of which is coming directly from the teams, of course) Tampa is leaning towards Posey or lil’ Beckham, with the rest of the Top 5 looking at Crow, Alverez, Matusz and maybe Smoak or the other Beckham at 5.

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by grover on May 27, 2008 8:25 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Offense is comparable but not Defensively.

At a comparable stage of development, Skipworth is supposedly equal to Mauer in terms of offense, but not defense. This kinda sounds like a Biology experiment. This was pointed out by xbhaskarx. I should have stated this more clearly in my earlier post.
We need to start a mock AN 2.0 draft, focusing strictly on the first 12 picks. I am willing to put up a nice prize for whoever accurately makes the most correct picks in order. The prize would be a ” vintage” book written by Connie Mack called ” My 66 years in Baseball”. It’s in Very Good condition. Anyone here dislike the word vintage as much as I do? . Anyone care to make their picks?

by alpine26 on May 27, 2008 9:06 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Beckham (v UGA) is the pipe dream

If he were available, he ought to be at the top of the board. I know that is very, very unlikely to happen though.

Above all, I think you need to draft the best player available. You can always trade for need, but you can’t pass up better players for positional projections down the road.

Thus, I think the pick ought to be Wallace. I don’t think you can pass up a bat like his with such a proven track record.

To be frank, this is a shitty spot for the A’s. If they could trade picks, they would be wise to trade up for Beckham or down to see which of the college pitchers, Hicks, Martin, or Wallace fell to them.

As for other candidates, if you think Martin can play 3B, he’s a reasonable selection. The two college pitchers (Friedrich and Shooter) are also defensible.

There is no one great fit here at 12.

"Sometimes Joe [Morgan] doesn't like facts to get in the way of his opinions." - Billy Beane

by Roscoe Parrish on May 27, 2008 9:55 AM PDT   0 recs

As I (still) loathe Bobby Crosby

Older Beckham would be very intriguing at #12.

But I don’t think he lasts that long.

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on May 27, 2008 8:27 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Shooter Hunt

Obviously guys with awesome names are the under valued comodity here. He’s the pick.

by methodrampage on May 27, 2008 4:23 PM PDT   0 recs

Now if his name was Cooter Hunt....

that you wouldn’t be able to pass up. I’m still blowing my Ethan Martin horn. These polished 2 way players are way better odds than anything.

http://www.perfectgame.org/players/playerprofile.aspx?ID=46150

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/events/draft_report/y2008/index.jsp?mc=martin

http://www.brewerfan.net/ViewAmateurPlayerProfile.do?playerId=782&draftId=6

This guy is going to be a beast either as a positional player(I’m thinking Lance Berkman beast) or as a pitcher.

by AthleticsReign on May 27, 2008 4:48 PM PDT   0 recs

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