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$4 Ticket Debacle

I remember seeing a fanpost last night concerning the difficulties people were having getting through to purchase the $4 tickets.  This morning, the post has disappeared for some reason; either that or I'm losing my mind (again).

 

My experience was similar to that of the caller to Buan's show -- I started trying immediately after the game, and when the "hits" code started to work, I got multiple messages saying that volume was too high, then that the number of tickets I was requesting (4) was unavailable.  At that point, I switched my request to one ticket, and still got the "can't seat you together" message.  Hah.  I finally gave up after an hour of trying.

 

I can certainly understand that the A's were overwhelmed with the unexpected demand for $4 tickets.  I hope the promotion is wildly successful and that they will do other similar promotions in the future.

 

What I can't figure out is why they would choose to combine this promotion with another one that is bound to be very popular:  The Campy jersey.  Why on earth wouldn't they do the ticket promo for a game that would otherwise not draw as many people?  I don't understand their marketing (il)logic.  All this will do is make it much more difficult for people who bought tickets to Sunday's game so they could get the jersey. 

 

 

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I deleted it because my experience significantly changed

I did finally end up getting through, getting two tickets reserved. But then I put in all my credit card information (getting all the captchas and info filled out in less than 5 minutes before my tickets were released was a close call). Pressed submit, card declined. Checked all the info resubmitted. Declined. Checked all the info, resubmitted. Declined. Then with 3 seconds left before I lost my tickets, submitted one more time for good measure. Your card has been declined. Logged in to my account to make sure the sky hadn’t fallen and 18 million unexpected transactions gone through. Only 4 unexpected transactions-To Ticketmaster for the cost of my tickets :). 4 Times.

I H8 TICKETMASTER

Jeremy was safe. He jumped over the tag.

by mrrickyg on May 2, 2008 10:36 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

You know...

This is what they should have been doing on the upper deck… rather than tarping it.

$4, every game. The thing would be full on a Monday.

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by Ozzz on May 2, 2008 11:27 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

thats exactly why they wouldn't do it

because everyone simply buys the cheap seats, no one buys the $$$ seats, and they just move down.

by Zonis on May 2, 2008 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

eh not really

used to be the dollar wednesdays up there remember?

and they used to be $8 with frequent half price nights, still wouldn’t fill.

I miss the 3rd deck, I used to like sitting up there, but I understand why they closed it.

Jeremy was safe. He jumped over the tag.

by mrrickyg on May 2, 2008 11:38 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

^^^^^^^^

Jeremy was safe. He jumped over the tag.

by mrrickyg on May 2, 2008 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dollar Weds very frequently sold out the upper deck ...

"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback

by devo on May 2, 2008 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh ok

yeah that was an out of my a$$ type thing oops, it’s been like 10 years since I’ve lived here. But I’m glad to be back.

Jeremy was safe. He jumped over the tag.

by mrrickyg on May 2, 2008 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

^^^^^^^^

Jeremy was safe. He jumped over the tag.

by mrrickyg on May 2, 2008 11:38 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I have a hard time blaming the A's on this one,

at least as far as the tech failure goes. (And I’m one who is ready to blame franchise business operations at the drop of a hat). But they can’t reasonably be expected to have planned for the affect of a 20 hit onslaught on their promo idea. That the technology couldn’t keep up with the demand is just the way it goes.

(Parenthetically: That excuse does NOT wash for Ticketmaster’s screw job, per mrrickyg above. They have tons of experience with online ticket demand surges.)

Another way of asking the question: how horrible was the marketing that a prime jersey giveaway game still saw such lousy advance ticket sales that they chose to do the added discount at all?

There is an A in Whimsy.

by FreeSeatUpgrade on May 2, 2008 12:00 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think that's the bigger question

The fact that they had 2500 unsold tickets in the second deck that they needed to do a promotion like this to sell tickets…..that’s bad marketing….

There's no crying in baseball!

by gigglingone on May 2, 2008 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think they had 2500 unsold

Slusser said in her article that the section itself seats 2500—not that there were 2500 reduced-promo-price seats available.

Honestly, I think the whole thing was a bit of a scam: I think they had about the normal/expected number of unsold seats, and figured that this would be an extremely cheap (no promotional spend, just pimping it via the on-air radio/tv talent; no backend spend … obviously) and easy way to (a) pump up attendance to maximal levels on a day when they were already projected to sell pretty well and therefore had plenty of concessions employees scheduled (and you gotta figure that folks getting discounted tickets are going to feel more free and easy about spending money on food/drinks/novelties at the game) and (b) generate free publicity.

Shrewd and marginally effective, but miserly and consumer-unfriendly. S.O.P. for the A’s marketing since I became a fan (mid-late-90s).

And what did we do once we discovered a rift in the fourth dimension? We launched a monkey into it. @('.')@

by monkeyball on May 2, 2008 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Giants did the same thing last week, but based it on strikeouts for Lincecum, and

he had 11, so they had 11 dollars off, whatever level they did the promotion on. I wonder how many they had for that, and why wouldn’t ticket master have learned from it.

by theblackpearl on May 2, 2008 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My mom said it was for the bleachers,

but I don’t think that sounds right… with Lincecum pitching. They could’ve wound up paying people to take seats.

I have [null set] to say.

by Poppy on May 2, 2008 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know, "scam" sounds pretty harsh to me

I’ll take a discount any way I can get it, and I’d much prefer it to be done in a farily creative and fun way than a lame coupon stuck to a 6-pack of Pepsi. There’s no way the A’s promo folks could have predicted the crazy level of hits, but to me, that was one of the best parts of last nights game. Ray and Glen were like schoolkids counting down the dollars and it made for a fun broadcast. I wish they offered the discount in a walk-up manner as well, as opposed to online. That’s the only consumer-unfriendly thing I can see. I honesly hope they keep this promo going, because I think it could be a promotion that could get the A’s a touch more interest.

"Don't be an ass!" --Bill King

by batgirl on May 2, 2008 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

not as much of a scam as the AYCA section, anyway

And what did we do once we discovered a rift in the fourth dimension? We launched a monkey into it. @('.')@

by monkeyball on May 3, 2008 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ticketbastard strikes again.

I can’t wait for the day when that company falls flat on its face. It’ll happen, too—their “service” is begging to be undercut by a smarter vendor.

So it goes.

by jeepers on May 2, 2008 12:15 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Actually, not entirely true

Ticketmaster’s “customer” are the people who want to sell the tickets (ie the Oakland A’s) and not the end consumer (us). They provide their customers with really good customer support, and hide a lot of the cost of events for venues as “fees”. Ticketmaster also has the infrastructure to handle massive surges (normally), and thus gets a lot of business, because they don’t let down their consumers.

Sure, they have problems with entrepreneurial startups who have great ideas, but usually these companies get crushed by not being able to handle the massive ticket slams and then lose customers back to ticketmaster because of it. And Ticketmaster’s R&D team is fast at work developing the features the smaller guys have, anyways, so they’re gonna be on top for quite awhile.

Sorry to burst your bubble.

by noava22 on May 2, 2008 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't worry, you didn't.

As soon as I receive some of this “really good customer support” of which you speak, rather than lengthy wait times and crashy web sites at times of high capacity, I’ll be sure to let you know. In the meantime, I will remain amazed that they get away with being 30-40% of my concert ticket, and 10-20% of my A’s ticket. I guess exclusive contracts with venues will let you get away with that; at least it keeps the door open for their demise:

Ticketmaster frequently obtains agreements to become the sole provider of tickets for large venues, in keeping with a business strategy it has used since the 1980s when it consolidated regional ticketing services into a single entity. In many cases, acquiring this exclusivity requires Ticketmaster to pay substantial “signing bonuses” to venues, sometimes millions of dollars. Although this practice can significantly reduce the profitability to Ticketmaster of these exclusive relationships, to date using these bonuses has enabled them to maintain venue exclusivity as a competitive strategy, though the future viability of this strategy is unclear as the Internet as the primary sales channel for tickets makes exclusivity a less attractive option for venues.

In reality, this is how it works:

Ticketmaster collects no part of advertised ticket prices. Instead it adds services fees to recoup its costs. Consumers often find these markups excessive, especially because there are many instances where no alternative purchase method is offered (allowing the purchase of tickets without incurring fees). This seemingly unfair business practice, along with a dearth of competitors, has led many to view Ticketmaster as monopolistic. However, alternative ticketing companies have entered the marketplace, alleviating Ticketmaster’s perceived “monopoly” brand status for most consumers. But because most of their competitors use much the same pricing structure, ticket buyers often find little comfort in the presence of Ticketmaster’s competition. Not all events generate the same consternation. Many ticket buyers have the option of purchasing tickets directly from venue box offices, thereby avoiding service fees from any ticketing agent. The typical fees in addition to a ticket’s face value include:

Ticketmaster Service Charge
This is Ticketmaster’s charge for the general service they provide and maintain. You will pay this charge no matter which way you buy the tickets through Ticketmaster (Phone, online or in person at a ticket center).

Building Facility Charge
This is determined by the venue, and not Ticketmaster.

Processing Charge
This is Ticketmaster’s charge for processing your order and making the tickets available to you (mail, etc.) This is usually not a per ticket charge, but rather a per order charge.

Shipping, E-Ticket Convenience, or Will Call Charge
Ticketmaster charges a fee for ticket delivery, even if the ticket is in the form of an automatically generated virtual “e-ticket”, which buyers must then print out themselves, at their own expense. Buyers may also be charged an extra fee to collect the ticket(s) from the venue. E-ticket convenience charges have been known to be issued even when purchasing a ticket directly from Ticketmaster box offices.

As an example of a fairly typical markup, a ticket to see Motörhead at Brixton Academy, London 2006, cost £25, plus £3.75 per ticket service charge, plus £4.95 postage and packing per order. In this example, the fees are approximately an additional 35% of the cost of the ticket. Tickets to see the Westminster Dog Show in New York in 2007 are $40, plus a $10 “convenience fee”, plus postage. More expensive tickets would have higher charges, but generally proportionately less relative to the total: tickets to see Pavarotti at Chatsworth House were selling for £85 for the ticket, £8 service charge per ticket, and £2.50 per order for either postal delivery or box office collection.

While 35% is typical, it can be considerably more. Take for example, a $25.00 ticket to see Symphony X at the Pearl Room, just outside Chicago, has a $7.25 service charge, no option for will call or printable ticket, and $14.50 as the least expensive method of delivery. With the final processing charge of $2.40, this makes the total $49.15. With not even a “building facility charge” at the Pearl Room, this is a 97% increase in the cost of the ticket.

Another charging practice is Parking Fees and excessive shipping. Although Ticketmaster reports this as being charged by the vendor, this is rarely the case. One example of this being a $25.00 ticket to a 2007 Dream Theater concert at the Fillmore in Detroit, MI including an $8.60 service charge, a $9.65 shipping fee (the ticket coming in an envelope with a 23.5 cent bulk stamp), and a $5 parking fee at a venue that doesn’t have parking.

Sure seems like a lot of money to make for being a glorified print shop, website, and call center.

Link.

So it goes.

by jeepers on May 3, 2008 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

$9.65 for shipping one envelope?

That is, not to mince words, fraud.

Someone (me?) should ask Shysterball if this is actually legally actionable. If it is, it sure would be nice if some enterprising lawyer sued Ticketmaster’s asses back to the stone age over this.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on May 3, 2008 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Get your ass to the stadium and buy tickets from the box office.

Shipping and handling includes the keyword “handling” which means they can charge whatever they want. I’m not a big fan of the high prices Ticketmaster charges, but it’s basically their right to charge whatever they want. You don’t have to use Ticketmaster, you are more than welcome to go to the A’s box office and buy tickets at face value without paying Ticketmaster convenience charges and delivery fees. Either you are willing to pay their outrageous convience fees, because it makes your life more convenient, or you go to the box office.

That said, I still hate Ticketmaster because their service sucks, and because they charge a lot. But I don’t think it’s not within their right to charge whatever they want. There are all alternatives, they are just very inconvenient.

Jeremy was safe. He jumped over the tag.

by mrrickyg on May 3, 2008 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure, no problem.

Can you point me to the location of the A’s Sacramento box office?

So it goes.

by jeepers on May 3, 2008 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I rest my case.

Jeremy was safe. He jumped over the tag.

by mrrickyg on May 3, 2008 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I went to a Warriors-Suns game when in Arizona for Spring Training.

I had bought tickets ahead of time on the Suns’ website (via Ticketmaster), to be sure we could get seats. Should I have made a special trip to Phoenix ahead of my vacation so I could visit US Airways Center box office?

I have [null set] to say.

by Poppy on May 3, 2008 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No of course not, you should pay the convenience fee and be glad it's available

Or alternately, you could have tried to buy tickets from a season ticketholder on a secondary market if you didn’t want to business with Ticketmaster.

Jeremy was safe. He jumped over the tag.

by mrrickyg on May 3, 2008 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

sorry the harshness was more in response to

Someone calling the fees fraud. I realize I sounded pretty harsh now.

Ticketmaster is a bunch of jerks for charging so much to be sure, but they aren’t fraudulent jerks.

Jeremy was safe. He jumped over the tag.

by mrrickyg on May 3, 2008 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed (TicketBastard puts the "greed" in "agreed")

TicketBastard is free to charge whatever they want to.

Startups/competitors are free to develop their own backends/customer-service models.

TicketBastard is free to crush them like a bug with their market position.

That’s the way the system works.

And what did we do once we discovered a rift in the fourth dimension? We launched a monkey into it. @('.')@

by monkeyball on May 3, 2008 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You can't go to the box office

when it’s not open and the tickets are going to sell out before it DOES open…

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on May 4, 2008 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

your points are not incompatible with noava22's

Sure, TicketBastard is a massive ripoff machine - but, as noava22 clearly said, you (and I) are not their customer base. The sharp end of the stick we feel is immaterial to TicketBastard’s customer/client-service model (properly speaking, they’re a client-service model, not a customer-service model, which is where the confusion may come in).

And, as the outages/loadtimes/frustrations with SBN 2.0 have proved, there are certain competitive advantages to being a glorified print shop, website, and call center.

And what did we do once we discovered a rift in the fourth dimension? We launched a monkey into it. @('.')@

by monkeyball on May 3, 2008 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Has anyone stated the obvious yet?

When the A’s planned this promotion, I can’t imagine anyone actually thought they’d be selling $4 tickets. Sure, they knew it was possible, but they had to figure it’d be more like $15 a ticket. I mean, 20 hits? How often do we do that?

formerly known as mdl

by iglew on May 2, 2008 7:04 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Word!

Some read stats. Fans actually watch the games.

by UncleLeo on May 3, 2008 12:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's probably better for them they got this cheap

if it was just a few dollars off nobody would care, but at $4 they sell like hotcakes and leave people money to spend in the ballpark. they wouldn’t want to do this every game or have a “regular” promotion that people could count on, because then people would never pay $24 for plaza tickets, but as an occasional promotion, i imagine it is a really good thing for them to be practically free.

Jeremy was safe. He jumped over the tag.

by mrrickyg on May 3, 2008 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ticketmaster?

You guys are still buying your tickets through Ticketmaster? You can only blame yourselves at this point.

by ChrisCEIT on May 4, 2008 12:41 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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