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In my little fantasy world ...

Scarlett Johansson.

A lifetime supply of Reddi Whip.

And 6 more feet on Barton's drive to the right-field wall in the bottom of the 13th.

Aw, shit.

Rays 7, A's 6

Daric Barton came this close to tying the game on a massive, arcing smash off of Troy Percival. But the ball came down against the wall, Barton ended up on third (with Emil Brown, who had {gasp} walked, scoring to bring the A's within one), and Kurt Suzuki popped out to end the game.

That was a hell of a swing Barton put on the ball. Three or four hours earlier, and that ball is out -- by a long way. I think we can say that, while Barton hasn't totally snapped out of his funk, he's starting to develop his power stroke.

And we also have to say that Evan Longoria ... uh ... already has his power stroke applying to Ivy League schools for early admission. While Barton was unable to defeat the marine layer in his quest to go yard, Longoria absolutely mutilated an aneurysm-inducing hanging slider from Gaudin that backed up ... oh, to about the Farallones.

All sorts of things got wasted in this game: Frank's first two homeruns since re-joining the A's, some excellent bullpen work from Street and Foulke, some timely and clutch contact-oriented hits from Frank and Ryan Sweeney -- not to mention the Rays' wasting of an outstanding start from James Shields.

And I think all of AN was wasted by the end of the game. I know I was.

Hopefully, this game may finally teach the A's organization two things: the need for some actual coaching of actual fundamentals (such as baserunning) in the minor league system, and that Joe Blanton is a 5-inning pitcher.

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Just saw the hightlights from this game on ESPN....

...and damn can they make a baseball game look boring.

by drink409 on May 19, 2008 11:42 PM PDT   0 recs

Sorry, I missed most of the game-

what were the baserunning gaffes tonight?

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by pam5981 on May 19, 2008 11:48 PM PDT   0 recs

Suzuki getting nailed at 2B on Petit's bunt

And Crosby getting doubled off 1B on Raj’s (bunt?) infield popup.

We're going to knock balls out of the country's park, for the home team, which is America. @('.')@

by monkeyball on May 20, 2008 12:19 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Garin

Is it just me or does anyone else think that Garin has a lot of trouble knowing when to take Blanton out of the game?

by Ran on May 19, 2008 11:51 PM PDT   0 recs

He is having trouble with Blanton

He leaves him in wayyy too long and we pay for it.

by butler19 on May 20, 2008 8:57 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Garin always leaves Hardin in way too long

I generally bemoan the profusion of Mr Sabermetric Sporks in the Scrabble ranks who don't know the meaning or usage of 50% of the words they use. -monkeyball

by JediLeroy on May 20, 2008 10:35 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The queschin was about Blantin.

"God doesn't pay attention to your cute little hypotheticals." -- Jeff from LL

by oblique on May 20, 2008 11:41 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Just got home

I had the pleasure of sitting behind home plate with Emperor Nobody tonight.

Well it was a hell of a game despite the outcome. There were definitely some bright spots.

First, let me say that Evan Longoria just killed that pitch in the 13th. I didn’t see it’s apex, but that thing took forever to come out of the sky. I mean hang time city. But the shot that Hinske hit was even more impressive. Just gone in a heartbeat, linedrive pulled out to right.

I thought Blanton looked sharp and I totally disagree with the 5 inning characterization.

The very small crowd blew up on both of Hurt’s blasts, the first of which was completely crushed to straight away center. Can’t imagine him hitting the ball any better than that.

Emil Brown looked great in at least two of his at bats. Crosby, Petit, Hannahan, Suzuki and Davis looked pretty bad in general. Davis’ has no approach, I mean pathetic. Hannahan looked crosbylike chasing stuff out of the strike zone. The team let Shields off the hook on a night when he did not have his best stuff.

And the baserunning. Ugh

"Not in your wildest alcoholic nightmare would you ever imagines such events unfolding!" Bill King

by Buck Turgidson on May 19, 2008 11:55 PM PDT   0 recs

On Davis

I question why he is even still on the team at this point. His at bats are horrible. If he keeps getting sent out there he should at least be required to try to bunt at least once an at bat.

by oaktownmario on May 19, 2008 11:59 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

FWIW, Davis hocked-up a hairbunt and Crosby got doubled off first on the play.

Human sacrifice might need to be executed.

The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on May 20, 2008 7:38 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Buck is my hero

I’d see a game with him anytime!

{{returns to lurk mode}}

Oakland, baby... always my Athletics.
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by emperor nobody on May 20, 2008 12:35 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Monkeyball

thanks for pointing out that Blanton is a five inning pitcher. So many people think he is just a tough luck pitcher, and that his record is an anomaly, but he really is mediocre at best. His claim to the Ace role is the result of health (Harden), health (Gaudin), health (Duke) and a big question mark coming into the season (Eveland or Smith). Now we see he should be nowhere near the top of this rotation. In fact, despite his health, I would be tempted to send him to the bullpen and put Gaudin in the starting role (notwithstanding his crappy pitch tonight). I think Gaudin has much better stuff: better movement on all his pitches, more strikeouts, and the ability to go deeper into the games without having given up 10 hits in 5 innings.

I don’t feel like looking up the numbers this late, but last I checked Blanton’s whip was horrible. Perhaps Beane is hoping he’ll turn it around so he can trade fat Joe to some sucker NY team.

by oaktownmario on May 19, 2008 11:57 PM PDT   0 recs

I think he's better than "mediocre"

I don’t know what constitutes the wall that he keeps hitting in the 6th inning (conditioning? some undiagnosed/unrecognized/unadmitted arm problem? hitters recognizing his pitch patterns on the third go-round?): but before that wall, he’s pretty darn good. And as soon as he hits it … yick.

I’m genuinely consternated as to why the A’s don’t have him on a shorter hook.

We're going to knock balls out of the country's park, for the home team, which is America. @('.')@

by monkeyball on May 20, 2008 12:16 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

He got his run support las night

3 run lead and could not hold it. 3 runs was not enough but he had the lead. Yeah, there was some fielding issues and the bunt by Navarro but there were at least three or four line drives that could have been hits and he would have been in the hole further than he was.

He kept us in the game but IMO he is an innings eating (for the most part), mediocre #3 at best who gives up way too many hits.

Trade him to someone in the NL who may ovepay and put Gaudin back in the rotation

by Trainman on May 20, 2008 10:36 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Blanton = Bottom or Rotation?

I’d have to disagree, but if he has quality(ish) outings, and the A’s don’t score, AND the A’s continue to tab him as their “Ace” of the staff, he will have a higher trade value. So he’s my ace for all I care.

by passionately objective on May 20, 2008 2:37 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The JCOA excepted, mostly, there was some really good fielding tonight.

GPet fielded a hot grounder ranging far to his left, and threw out the runner from his knees, Barton caught a Cliff Floyd smash liner and Davis and Brown both made very solid running grabs. The JCOA did make one good catch at the wall, but botched several others. As someone around here said: “Jack, didn’t your Dad ever play catch with you?”

And, I heard a first-time heckle from a drunk 20-something woman - Hey Ump, get off yer knees—‘cuz yer blowin’ the game.” They’re always new to somebody, right?

The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on May 20, 2008 12:23 AM PDT   0 recs

I love Stephen King

even if he is a poor man’s Poe and a Sux fan.

I've come to the conclusion that the two most important things in life are good friends and a good bullpen.

by 149 on May 20, 2008 12:54 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Was that his heckle?

I just knew I was giving that young inebriette too much credit.

The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on May 20, 2008 9:30 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

"Inebriette"

awesome

formerly known as mdl

by iglew on May 20, 2008 10:08 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Well sorta

King shouts this from the stand at Fenway in the movie “Fever Pitch.”

I've come to the conclusion that the two most important things in life are good friends and a good bullpen.

by 149 on May 20, 2008 12:43 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

This was an exciting game.

It didn’t turn out well but it really was great to see the Hurt look like the Hurt. Blanton is what he is…he’s pitching like expected. I see no reason to rag on him.

by IM4Oakgal on May 20, 2008 12:39 AM PDT   0 recs

So, Scarlett Johansson and Reddi Whip

Those are separate fantasies, right?

by Faust on May 20, 2008 2:35 AM PDT   0 recs

Having taken a quick glance at the last game thread

I guess not…

I wish you’d translate your rebus, since I’m apparently too dumb to work it out.

by Faust on May 20, 2008 4:35 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

First game thread:
Lineup
Eh’s (Bob & Doug McKenzie) (Satanic) Verses Rays (East Bay & Manzarek)
Starters
Shields and (Citizen) Cupcake

Second game thread:
Ayyyyyyyyys (as in, what Fonzie says) 3 (Amigos)
Rays (J. “You can call me Ray” Johnson) Zero (WWII Japanese fighter plane)
(Barney) Frank Homer (Simpson)
Emil (Jannings, star w/Dietrich of Der Blaue Engel) Homer (Greek poet)

Third game thread:
(Man) Rays 5
Frank (Sinatra, Black, Burns) 3
Emil (Jannings again) 1

We're going to knock balls out of the country's park, for the home team, which is America. @('.')@

by monkeyball on May 20, 2008 9:45 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Hmmph.

I shoulda thought to run my cursor over the more obscure pics, but I’d still never have figured out what the double Fonzie was doing there.

I’ll get ‘em next time…

by Faust on May 20, 2008 10:58 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Scarllett and reddi --

I’ll be in my bunk.

The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on May 20, 2008 9:34 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The problem with Blanton

as a “five inning pitcher” is that his only really valuable trait is being able to eat up innings like he eats up cupcakes. Joe Blanton saves a bullpen. He can give you 230 acceptable innings a season. That’s his value. Unfortunately, that means these kind of games happen sometimes.

RagingHarden: Yeah if you get 20 starts out of me I'll be shocked. Like, I'll wreck my drawers.

by walk off bunt on May 20, 2008 2:49 AM PDT   0 recs

but, we have a very good and deep bullpen

How does “giving up 2-3 runs in the 6th every time out” constitute saving the ‘pen?

What’s more, the other starters have been working effectively as deep as or deeper than Blanton into games. They’re the ones saving the ‘pen for Blanton’s starts.

We're going to knock balls out of the country's park, for the home team, which is America. @('.')@

by monkeyball on May 20, 2008 7:35 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Because he doesn't give up 2-3 runs in the 6th every time out?

I don’t disagree that it’s frustrating. But a rough stretch and a few anecdotes does not a 5 inning pitcher make. He’s given up only 2 ER in 6 of his 10 starts. In those six he’s gone 7, 5.2, 7, 7, 6.2, 6. In two of his other starts (Seattle and @Cleveland) he sucked early and then kept the game within reach into the eighth inning. There’s only been two starts (Minnesota and last night) in which he was left in the game too long and it resulted in a loss.

RagingHarden: Yeah if you get 20 starts out of me I'll be shocked. Like, I'll wreck my drawers.

by walk off bunt on May 20, 2008 3:56 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Okay, c'mon for a second

Last night’s game was painful, but I fail to see how Blanton is taking the rap for it. He was victim of a terrible outfield, who did him no favors out there, even if nothing was ‘technically’ called an error, and who could have predicted the CATCHER would bunt and be on base right before a homerun. The Rays caught Hanny sleeping over at third (and really, why would you guard the line on a CATCHER), but the homerun was Blanton’s error. He did not pitch as badly as his line reflected though.

The A’s baserunning SUCKS. Suzuki really was awful at the plate and on base yesterday. Painful outcome, and wasted 2 HRs by Frank. I do love that he hit 2 homeruns though.

So, bring on Bonds! Or, not... then, bring back Langerhans!! -One won lost one

by baseballgirl on May 20, 2008 9:56 AM PDT   0 recs

I don't blame Joe for the ultimate outcome

I also don’t blame him for having turned into a 5-inning pitcher (unless, of course, that’s mostly due to conditioning).

I do blame Beane and Geren for not having realized or acted on that development.

We're going to knock balls out of the country's park, for the home team, which is America. @('.')@

by monkeyball on May 20, 2008 11:29 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Crosby

Was chasing outside pitches like it was 2007.

I thought the game was really entertaining, but it was SO cold out there. Hardly anyone was left at the end of the game. I knew we were in trouble when Dr. Pez said to me, when he saw Chad in the bullpen, that “Gaudin is the best long reliever in the game today.” Not the right thing to say, ever.

If Big Hurt is actually back, hitting the long ball, the team might turn it around and stay above .500. That’s the good news. The bad news is that this is a really weak line-up. And nobody is mentioning, because it had no effect on the score, Cust’s misplay in the outfield early in the game. The guy is just horrible out there.

One of the problems with Blanton being the #1 is that a lot of the time he’s being run out against other teams’ #1, and that really doesn’t work, and it’s a reason why he’s got such a terrible W-L record. The complaint is that “the team doesn’t score for him…” well, yeah, against any ace, the team is less likely to score. I’d switch him and Harden in the rotation pronto.

Also, any word on Casilla?

by richwol1 on May 20, 2008 10:44 AM PDT   0 recs

I didn't see Cust's misplay

And it doesn’t change the obvious fact that Cust is a liability in the field, but even good left fielders have lost flyballs in the lights out there.

Yeah, he’s bad, but his misplays are not all unique to him.

by Faust on May 20, 2008 11:04 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

James Shields is not the Rays' #1 pitcher

and at this point in the season, teams will be at all kinds of points in their rotation. That paragraph makes no sense. I don’t even know what it would mean to “switch him and Harden in the rotation.”

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on May 20, 2008 1:00 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Answer

What it means to “switch Blanton and Harden” in the rotation pretty much means that when the rotations do match #1 to #1, the A’s will stand a better chance of winning against the better pitcher. Otherwise, the term #1 has absolutely no meaning. Ptting Blanton against the best pitchers on other teams isn’t a good idea. And while teams may be “at all kinds of points in their rotation,” it seems that (because I haven’t researched it I’ll hedge my bets) you rarely see a #5 going up against a #1.

by richwol1 on May 20, 2008 1:18 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

OK...

and they’ll stand a worse chance of winning against the worse pitcher.

The term #1 has absolutely no meaning after opening day.

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by PaulThomas on May 20, 2008 1:37 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Well, technically Blanton

is facing a lot of “top of the rotation” pitchers. Putting aside that a teams best pitcher and a teams opening day pitcher are not always one and the same, in the 11 games Blanton has started he has faced a teams opening day starter 7 times (Dice-K x 2, Sabathia x 2, Livan, Guthrie, Shields) and their game 2 starter 3 times (Felix x 2, Padilla). Only guy he faced that was not the opposing teams day 1 or day 2 starter? Cliff Lee (not much help there).

Now, admittedly I am not advocating that there is any need to move Blanton in the rotation. These things will probably eventually even themselves out . But at this point in the season it is valid to say that Blanton is getting more then his fair share of other teams “aces”.

by AsFanInLA on May 20, 2008 4:36 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

OK

and who’s to say that the A’s putting an inning-eating horse out there for those games, and conceding a somewhat mediocre record in them so as to have a greater pitching advantage in other games, is not the right decision?

My take on it is, a run prevented is a run prevented, and it really doesn’t matter when it happens (for starting pitchers). If this way gives the A’s a .35 chance of winning Blanton’s games but a .65 chance of winning Harden’s, instead of having a .5 chance in both, who the heck cares?

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by PaulThomas on May 20, 2008 5:23 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

His Misplay was Terrible

It wasn’t that he didn’t see the ball. It’s that he didn’t recognize what the ball was doing. He could have run in and tried to make a catch, or he could have positioned himself to play the carom off the wall.. He did neither, and the result was that Sweeney wound up grabbing the ball and throwing it in. Thank goodness there was nobody on base at the time. Cust looked like a deer in headlights.

by richwol1 on May 20, 2008 11:09 AM PDT   0 recs

Hmm, Cust = deer

The speed, the grace – it all works. ;-)

by Faust on May 20, 2008 11:52 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

That's better than Cust = Rob Deer.

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by thejd44 on May 20, 2008 12:49 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Did you see the replay of it?

He very, very clearly lost it in the lights.

He got to the spot in plenty of time, he was about a step away from making the catch, and right when you would have expected him to raise his glove up to catch the ball he immediately backed off and turned his head away and down from where the ball was coming—ie so it wouldn’t hit him in the face because the lights were in his eyes and he had no idea where the ball was at that point.

He DID get burned on the Iwamura ball, but the liner that he missed wasn’t because he sucks in the field (this time).

by mikev on May 20, 2008 12:12 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Okay

After sitting through three hours of cold, I wasn’t too interested in watching replays. You have a point.

by richwol1 on May 20, 2008 1:08 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Above I focused on your comparison of Cust to a deer

But it appears I should have paid more attention to the “headlights” part of your analogy.

by Faust on May 20, 2008 4:06 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

but the Iwamura ball wasn't (entirely) his fault, either

He wouldn’t have been positioned that shallow on his own—that must have come from the bench. Not many OFers in all of baseball could have gotten back to catch that ball.

And, yes, for sure, he botched the carom off the wall—but (a) Bartlett didn’t score on the play anyway, and (b) was going to make third base no matter what once the ball obviously wasn’t going to be caught.

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by monkeyball on May 20, 2008 1:58 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Right. I wasn't blaming him on the Iwamura ball

Just that it burned him, since he was playing shallow (whether on his own or by design) and got beat on a ball that was hit to the track.

by mikev on May 20, 2008 3:37 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Also

The Rays used the Thome shift on Cust, and he fell for it - hitting a ball into what would have been the right field hole but instead was exactly where the second baseman was positioned. I understand why someone like Thome or Bonds would ignore the shift and not change anything…but Cust isn’t’ Bonds or Thome, and you’d think a hard bunt to where the third baseman SHOULD be would both turn into a double, and would force the defense to be honest. I don’t get it. I understand that Cust might not be able to execute it successfully, but it would STILL force the defense to be honest next time around.

by richwol1 on May 20, 2008 11:18 AM PDT   0 recs

that's beyond ludicrous

Look, if Rajai Davis isn’t coached by the team to bunt well, why/how in the hell do you think Cust would be?

What’s more, very few teams (if any others at all beside the Rays) deploy the shift vs. Cust—so he and the team wouldn’t have had any motivation to this point to have him practice bunting.

And every practice bunt that Cust takes in BP takes away from his practicing the things he’s actually good at (taking and raking)—or, alternately, practice time shagging flies, which would have a far greater ROI than bunting drills.

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by monkeyball on May 20, 2008 11:34 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Actually, game theory dictates that Cust (or any other shift guy) SHOULD bunt

at least once or twice just to keep the defense honest.

Even if he is out on that play, if it keeps the defense from shifting (as drastically, anyway), it’s helping him in the long run.

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by thejd44 on May 20, 2008 12:50 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Exactly My Point

After last night’s game, you may well see other teams use the shift on Cust, and if he doesn’t adjust, the team will suffer.

This is why you learn “fundamentals” like bunts, stealing, etc. We know that when a base stealer gets on, it throws the defense off. I always found it weird that the A’s never stole - not because stealing is, in the long term, beneficial, but because it keeps the defense off-balance. It’s not the steal that’s important, it’s the threat of the steal.

Same with the bunt. If Cust could bunt, there’s no way they play the shift, and in that at bat, the guy gets a hit.

by richwol1 on May 20, 2008 1:21 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Base stealers getting on throw the hitters off more than the defense

This has been pretty conclusively proven at this point.

Any infield coach whose team is not putting the shift on Cust should be immediately fired for incompetence.

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by PaulThomas on May 20, 2008 1:47 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I disagree

Bunting “once or twice” in May isn’t going to alter the opposition’s defensive strategy. In order to do that, he’d have to bunt regularly—and that would end up costing outs and lost opportunities to swing at hittable pitches.

We're going to knock balls out of the country's park, for the home team, which is America. @('.')@

by monkeyball on May 20, 2008 2:01 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

So, in other words...

You’re both saying that Cust shouldn’t even bother taking advantage of the fact that the entire left hand third of the infield is devoid of players.

What I’m arguing —and what I sense thedj44 is saying -- is that all a player has to do is show that the shift won’t work, and it will go away. If Cust bunts the ball hard for a double in that one at bat, there won’t be a shift next time up, and other teams, knowing that he’ll always take advantage of the shift, won’t shift for him. So yes, monkeyball, bunting once or twice in May will definitely alter the opposition’s defensive strategy because the ONLY time he’ll have to bunt is when they do the Thome shift. And no one in their right mind will do the Thome shift if it doesn’t work.

Insofar as base stealers go - I don’t believe it can be conclusively proven that base stealers don’t throw the PITCHERS off. I’ve seen way too many cases where the pitcher is too worried about the guy on base, and throws a meaty pitch down the center of the plate. I don’t believe there’s a way to quantify that. I will agree that it doesn’t throw the defense off sufficiently.

by richwol1 on May 20, 2008 2:21 PM PDT   0 recs

you're presuming that he'll bunt it cleanly and effectively

Given that, strike-zone judgment aside, Cust is one of the least precision-oriented players on the planet, how on earth do you think he’d be or become capable of bunting cleanly and effectively? How much time and effort would it take for him to do that? And how much more difficult is his task because pitchers are strenuously avoiding throwing the ball in precisely the places where it would be easy for him to bunt?

As for the strategic side, we’re simply not going to agree—I think that if Cust didn’t follow up with unpredictable but frequent regular bunting, teams will keep shifting against him. Once or twice just won’t do it.

We're going to knock balls out of the country's park, for the home team, which is America. @('.')@

by monkeyball on May 20, 2008 3:07 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

No, the correct defense if Cust is bunting occasionally

is to play the third baseman in his normal position, and shift the rest of the infield over as usual.

Cust does not hit ground balls to the shortstop side of second base. It just doesn’t happen. It doesn’t matter where the third baseman sets up—in fact, if there was no risk of a bunt, I’d stick him out in left field as a 4th outfielder.

Now, perhaps the other teams will be idiots who don’t realize that you can put your players in nonstandard defensive alignments, I don’t know. But how can you predict the behavior of idiots?

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by PaulThomas on May 20, 2008 3:12 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

and think about it the other way 'round

If opposing teams employed the shift against Cust once or twice in May, and then never again, would that scare him off of pulling grounders to the right?

We're going to knock balls out of the country's park, for the home team, which is America. @('.')@

by monkeyball on May 20, 2008 3:14 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Huh?

I don’t get your point. If the shift is off, Cust is more likely to get a ground ball through the gap in right. If the shift is on, he’s less likely to get a ground ball through the gap in right because there won’t be a gap in right. But at that point, the left side of the infield opens up. It would behoove him to hit a ball to the left, obviously. But he’s not a precision hitter, as you say. Meaning that a poorly laid down bunt to the left still could have a chance of turning into a double whereas if he tries to smack the ball to left, he’ll strike out or still hit it to right. If he can show the other team, and scouts, that they can’t get away with the shift, there won’t be a shift - or they’ll have to get clever to find a shift that works, as Paul Thomas suggests.

If every time they pull that Thome shift, Cust gets a bunt single or double, do you honestly think any team will do the shift? If they know he CAN get a bunt single or double in May, they’re not going to try the shift in August.

by richwol1 on May 20, 2008 3:50 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

well, you've got two contradictory statements back to back

“If every time they pull that Thome shift, Cust gets a bunt single or double, do you honestly think any team will do the shift? If they know he CAN get a bunt single or double in May, they’re not going to try the shift in August.”

So, which are you arguing? That it takes Cust doing it every time to convince them, or just once?

And you still haven’t answered how you think Cust will suddenly develop the bunting skills to beat it—either once or every time.

We're going to knock balls out of the country's park, for the home team, which is America. @('.')@

by monkeyball on May 20, 2008 5:06 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

He's saying every time they shift, bunt,

and every time they don’t shift, don’t bunt. That’s not contradictory. Using this strategy, if Cust could bunt safely 3/4 of the time, eventually teams would realize they couldn’t ever put on the shift because they would turn Cust into a .750 singles hitter.

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by Nico on May 20, 2008 6:14 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

if Cust could bunt safely 3/4 of the time ...

... he could better spend the time learning/practicing how to do so by shagging fly balls.

We're going to knock balls out of the country's park, for the home team, which is America. @('.')@

by monkeyball on May 20, 2008 6:22 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

plus, what's 3/4 success rate on 1 or 2 times?

We're going to knock balls out of the country's park, for the home team, which is America. @('.')@

by monkeyball on May 20, 2008 6:24 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

well, you still can't defend your position

How much practice do you think it would take for Cust to be able to lay down a successful bunt to the shortstop hole (presuming the third baseman remains on the line) or down the 3B line (presuming the third baseman covers the SS hole)? In all his years in the minors and majors, Cust has no sacrifices. I’d be surprised if he’d been asked to bunt more than 10 times in his entire pro career. He has no skill at or familiarity with doing it. Odds are, if he does come to the plate and try to bunt, he’ll foul off or miss entirely (losing crucial strikes, especially if he’s bunting at hittable pitches) or pop or ground out. I’d guess that it would take a month of practice before he could effectively bunt to the right side with the shift on—in which intervening time, he could have been fine-tuning his swing, or, better yet, taking fly balls in the OF. So we’re talking about bunting once or twice in … late June or July. And he’s still going to have to repeat the skill multiple times before opposing managers abandon the shift.

We're going to knock balls out of the country's park, for the home team, which is America. @('.')@

by monkeyball on May 21, 2008 10:37 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I was there til the bitter end last night

there were things to like, of course, such as Thomas’ two “no doubt” lined shots out of the park, nice defense by Petit, two innings of dominating 5 K pitching by Street, Barton’s blast to almost tie it in the 13th.

But there were also things NOT to like, including Davis’ awful attempt at bunting Crosby over in extra innings, ending up with a pop up out, doubling Crosby off first, and rendering Mike Sweeney’s pinch hit at bat with two away and no one on – instead of one away and a man on second – pretty meaningless.

by OaklandSi on May 20, 2008 3:57 PM PDT   0 recs

Let's take up a collection.

All proceeds could go towards buying monkeyball a BIG fantasy world.

"Dude, you have to teach me the 'Tack and Stilt'" Shannon, after 5 hours at the local watering hole.

by tresselfan on May 20, 2008 5:58 PM PDT   0 recs

Only if we get to visit occasionally.

Reddi-whip optional.

The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on May 20, 2008 6:24 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Last time I was there,

I had like 5 of those ketamine banana smoothies, and I got talked in to taking my feces resistant body armor off. The lady who does my laundry was PISSED!

"Dude, you have to teach me the 'Tack and Stilt'" Shannon, after 5 hours at the local watering hole.

by tresselfan on May 20, 2008 6:27 PM PDT   0 recs

you sure she wasn't shitfaced?

We're going to knock balls out of the country's park, for the home team, which is America. @('.')@

by monkeyball on May 21, 2008 10:38 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

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