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Wrap: Game 45 - Braves 5, A's 2

Ugh, what a frustratingly all-too-familiar way to end a very tough road trip on which the A's went a combined 2-7 through three cities I'm sure we'll all be very quick to forget. The game started promisingly enough, as for the second game in a row the A's drew first blood with a solo homer in the first, today's courtesy of Bobby Crosby, who took a hanging, inside breaking ball from Jo-Jo Reyes and deposited it into the bleachers in left. But that's about where the A's luck ran out. Duchscherer clearly did not have his best stuff nor his best control today, and when a command-oriented guy with a fastball that tops out at 87mph can't locate his off-speed pitches and can't keep his fastball down, he usually gets hit hard, and Duchscherer was no exception today. He somehow lasted 5 innings, but surrendered 3 runs on 7 hits and 2 walks.

After Gregorio Petit and Jack Hannahan went back-to-back with a single and a double to bring the game to within one run at 3-2 in the 6th, Gaudin came on in relief and pitched well in the middle innings to keep the game close and within striking distance, going two full innings and striking out one without allowing a run. But Embree, in the latest bullpen meltdown, effectively pitched the A's totally out of the game by allowing two runs on three hits in the bottom of the 8th, leaving the A's with one-half inning to bridge a three-run deficit, which, of course, they did not do.

The team as a whole finished with the Triple-Double of dubious game stats after reaching triple digits in hits (11), strikeouts (10) and of course men left on-base (11). Just from that set of numbers you can draw a fairly good conclusion about why the A's only scored two runs today: for the most part the offense was getting men-on-base and were collecting hits, just not in that  particular order, and when they weren't doing those two things, they were striking out. So, ipso-facto, same-old-story, the "big hit" alluded the A's bats. Frustrating indeed, especially when simple contact with the ball once or twice today could've totally changed the complexion of the game (uh hem, top of the 2nd with bases loaded and NO ONE out, Frank Thomas in the 6th with 2nd and 3rd and one out).

On to the feel good story of the day: Gregorio Petit, "Gregor the Small, welcome to the show! A late game K is the only blemish on a stellar MLB debut performance for the A's newest middle infielder as he went 2-for-3 with a nice line-drive swing, collecting a single, double, walk and that strikeout. He also made a few nice plays in the field. Ellis is likely out for tomorrow's game so hopefully we'll see Gregor back out there to see if he can keep his bat hot. Gregor's glove has never been in question, and after leading the Rivercats in hits this season, it looks like he might be ready to contribute full-time at the major league level. If so, he'd be a marked improvement over Murphy as a utility guy, at least for now.

In other game action today, the Halos are holding off the Dodgers 5-2 in the top of the 5th. Go Blue Crew! And Eric Chavez continues his rehab as we speak in Sacramento, and he lead-off the game for the Cats and blasted a solo homer. That's two doubles and a homer for Chavvy in the past three days. His bat sure looks ready to return!

Well, let's hope the boys can get some home-cooking and learn how to put the bat on the ball when runners are in scoring position, since they definitely won't have many of those opportunities in the next few days with the talented Tampa Bay pitching staff coming to town starting tomorrow....

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once again, hitting with RISP

is a problem….and we saw how a subpar start is hard to make up with a depleted bullpen (the A’s only had 11 pitchers with them) as well as the RISP problem.

I agree about Petit.

by OaklandSi on May 18, 2008 2:18 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Once again?

AL average with Risp: .262 BA, .751 OPS
A’s with risp: .293, .824 OPS
A’s in all situations: .250 BA, .690 OPS

Sometimes they’ll hit well with risp, sometimes they won’t.

The A's colors are green and gold.

by mikeA on May 18, 2008 4:36 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Getting on base is the important thing.

I’ve been really hard on the A’s organization as a whole for not breeding good “situational hitters” but in the end the only way to really work on that particular *skill is to get runners in scoring position to begin with and the team has been doing that well so far this season, so yeah, I believe that those numbers you cite above are solid and that the A’s will find ways to score runs. But you’ve gotta admit, it’s definitely deflating when you have two situations in one game where just a dribbler or a sac fly would score a much needed run or two. For me, it’s not about RISP numbers or the organizational philosophy vis-a-vas taking pitches, it’s about reading the situation during the game and making adjustments.

by Taj Adib on May 18, 2008 4:49 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's just one of my pet peeves

Every team’s fans makes this exact complaint about their team, whether they do it well or not.

The A's colors are green and gold.

by mikeA on May 18, 2008 4:59 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I tend to look at the quality of the AB

I was a little disappointed in Bowen’s AB following Hannahan’s double, because it’s not so hard for a lefty to roll over and pull the ball but he slapped at a pitch away and popped it up. I wish Thomas had swung at the first pitch because it was a great pitch to put into play. But so it goes.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on May 18, 2008 5:24 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah,

Thomas does that a lot (take the first pitch, no matter where it is), and Suzuki does it a lot, too. I guess maybe they feel more comfortable seeing a pitch for timing, but it’s not good as a strategy, and obviously even less so in that situation.

The A's colors are green and gold.

by mikeA on May 18, 2008 5:33 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1, and ditto for

umpire’s calls at the plate going for or against the team.

formerly known as mdl

by iglew on May 18, 2008 5:32 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

um, I mean

balls and strikes, not runners out when going for home.

formerly known as mdl

by iglew on May 18, 2008 5:34 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

To expand on that....

A runner on second, 0 outs scores about 62% of the time. The 38% of the time (which is a lot) is far more memorable. Runner on third 1 out scores about 64% of the time. The other 1/3 of the time is far more memorable. So, basically, every team fails in one of these situations at least once every few days, and then every team’s fans complain that they suck at it, because it seems to happen all the time (which it does!). The A’s will fail a bit more, mostly because they have a low team BA, and strike out a bit more than average.

The A's colors are green and gold.

by mikeA on May 18, 2008 5:49 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What's distressing is to consider the stats on

scoring a runner from second on a double. :-(

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on May 18, 2008 6:03 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Or

from first on a triple “double”.......

The A's colors are green and gold.

by mikeA on May 18, 2008 6:06 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

so what you're saying is ...

... fans perform really badly w/RISP?

We're going to knock balls out of the country's park, for the home team, which is America. @('.')@

by monkeyball on May 19, 2008 10:54 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm not talking only about 2008

The A’s themselves have admitted that hitting with RISP has been a problem.

by OaklandSi on May 18, 2008 5:52 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Here are the A's stats total for 2007-2008:

Total BA: .255
Risp BA: .256

They did better in 2005 and worse in 2006 (but those were almost completely different rosters.)

Does that look like they have a problem hitting with risp?

In a large sample size this is true for every team. The “admission” is standard spring training bs.

The A's colors are green and gold.

by mikeA on May 18, 2008 6:10 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

here are their RISP for 2002-04 and 2006-07

2002: .219 (13th in the AL)
2003: .223 (12th in the AL)
2004: .217 (10th in the AL)
source: <http://thejuice.baseballtoaster.com/archives/12968.html>

2006: .243 (13th in the AL)
source: <http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4176/is_20070314/ai_n18714986>

2007: .246 (had the link, but lost it, sorry)

Despite having different rosters from year to year (sometimes vastly different rosters), the A’s have finished each season among the worst teams in the AL hitting with runners in scoring position. Their relatively high team RISP in the first six weeks of 2008 was unusual enough to evoke lots of comment from members of the team and staff, reporters and fans.

Now, RISP may not be as important overall as other factors – I am not going to argue that. But it’s an issue that has been around for this team in particular for some time.

by OaklandSi on May 18, 2008 7:01 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Those first numbers

are 2 outs w/risp. The league hits about 20 points worse than overall, when it is 2 outs w/ risp. In 2002, they were actually 9 points better with risp, but terrible with risp/2 outs. In 2003, they were 23 points better with risp. In 2004, they hit 10 points worse with risp. In 2005, they hit 13 points better with risp So from 2002-2005, they hit a lot better with risp compared to other situations. Cherry-picking 2 outs w/risp is just silly and it all it means is that they hit insanely awesomely with less than 2 outs and risp in that time period.

They’re going to always have those low league ranks because they have a low team BA, which is my point!

And anyway, I have no idea what relevance the 2002-2004 teams’ performance has to this year’s. The entire roster and coaching staff has been turned over.

The A's colors are green and gold.

by mikeA on May 18, 2008 7:25 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So, from 2002-2008

they have hit better with risp than in other situations. It is just impossible to spin that as a problem.

The A's colors are green and gold.

by mikeA on May 18, 2008 7:27 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

From 2004-2008, though

the A’s are 6253/23925 (.2614) overall, and 1568/6073 (.2582) with RISP.

Leaguewide, the AL always hits a few points better with RISP than overall, anywhere from about 1 to 4 points of batting average.

It all depends on which data you feel like mining tonight…

by Soaker on May 18, 2008 7:48 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So...

they’re about 6 points worse in that time frame… and average if you include 2002-3… The point is they hit about the same just like every other damn team!

The A's colors are green and gold.

by mikeA on May 18, 2008 7:54 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Correct

My point about the data mining is that you can often use the data to support whichever argument you are making, if the data points generally vary around some average and you are careful about choosing the time period that your data covers.

by Soaker on May 18, 2008 8:05 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The league hits that much worse

with 2 outs/risp because the league hits a lot worse with 2 outs, due to defensive positioning.

The A's colors are green and gold.

by mikeA on May 18, 2008 7:42 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was making an effort to use overall RISP

and not the two-out numbers; if I goofed I apologize.

The relevance of using figures from 2002 on speaks more to organizational philosophy. Otherwise, why talk about the A’s penchant for being patient at the plate, when the players and coaches change from year to year? The A’s emphasis on trying to see alot of pitches and work walks may hurt them in RISP situations, while also being an advantage otherwise.

A look at other teams over the same period also indicated that the Angels, for example, had one of the higher team batting average with RISP among AL clubs. That’s despite the fact that they have also had player turnover. I think their organizational “small ball” preference may play into that….and it also hurts them in other aspects.

I agree, stats can always be mined in favor of one's position.

If you don’t think the A’s have been among the less effective clubs hitting with RISP, that’s fine. Others – some associated with the A’s, as well as fans and others – wouldn’t agree. That’s hardly “spinning’ a problem.

by OaklandSi on May 18, 2008 8:21 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well

if they Angels were better than the A’s with risp, you’d think it would show up in the numbers, but it doesn’t! What else is there to even have an opinion about?

The A's colors are green and gold.

by mikeA on May 18, 2008 8:48 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Even Petit's strikeout should have been a walk.

Terrible call on strike 3 to him – curveball that was hih and didn’t cross through the zone.

by mikev on May 18, 2008 2:25 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You have to put that ball in play

Get it to the OF, or if you’re badly fooled (understandable) foul it off. Way too close to take, IMO. That’s not on the ump.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on May 18, 2008 2:32 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It wasn't close though. It very clearly didn't come through the zone.

Fooled or not, that was a ball. Can’t fault Petit for that.

by mikev on May 18, 2008 2:33 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Actually, that was a strike

I bitched at the call at first, too. But the Atlanta TV broadcast showed the replay from the side, and the pitch passed the plate right at the belt – if anything, maybe an inch below the belt. (Gameday agrees.) And it was right on the inside corner, even if the ump hadn’t been significantly expanding both edges of the plate all day (sometimes to the A’s benefit, such as the ridiculous strike 3 call on Teixeira in the first inning, which may have saved Duchscherer’s hide). If he hadn’t called that a strike, it would have been completely inconsistent with the strike zone as he’d called it all day – and I think inconsistent with the rule book strike zone as well.

He just got fooled – clearly he expected a fastball on the 3-2 count. So did I.

by Faust on May 18, 2008 3:03 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that's a typical move for alot of A's players

taking close pitches in a situation that calls for putting a ball in play.

by OaklandSi on May 18, 2008 3:10 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I thought it was a strike

The A's colors are green and gold.

by mikeA on May 18, 2008 4:32 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So did Petit...

You could tell he just got fooled by a pitch no one expected on 3-2.

Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on May 19, 2008 12:24 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tough loss today.

It was a fun series, and I was happy to attend all the games. If anyone saw the guy in the A’s hat and jersey who ended up with Crosby’s HR in the first, that was me, haha.

What about Barry?
"Barry who?" Forst said, and I felt like I was in the middle of a knock-knock joke.

by KMoAsFan on May 18, 2008 2:31 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And to balance out the universe...

Buck still sucks.

And Bret Anderson absolutely lit up today…. 1/3inning 7hits 8ERs 1BB 1HR

When will then be now? Soon.

by Syphon on May 18, 2008 2:58 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's a dead arm period, for sure

at the very least. He’s been Jekyll and Hyde this season.

Might be wise to have him skip a start just to get mentally reoriented.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on May 18, 2008 11:41 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gio pitched well too

6IP 4H 1ER 2BB 9K

"We were s--, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on May 18, 2008 3:23 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Damn Dodgers. playing with no pride

Kinda like us during this road trip.

Is this anyway to celebrate our 50 and 40 year anniversaries respectively?

Green Hulk Fists

by oaklandSMASH on May 18, 2008 3:55 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Don't blame the Dodgers, Mike Napoli was taking no prisoners today.

Napoli is now the official Dodgers owner.

Scioscia, "Roll the hole!"

by 44FAN on May 18, 2008 4:03 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Geren said they're likely to call up a reliever

sometime during the upcoming homestand, according to the A’s official site.

They have a number of options, depending on what they want to do.

For example, Calero pitched effectively today, and without pain on Friday. He’s not on the 40 man roster, so to activate him someone would need to be taken off. (and for those of you who don’t like him: in order to have a chance to trade Calero the A’s probably need to show that he’s healthy and pitching effectively.)

Other choices include giving Brad Ziegler a chance to make his debut, calling up Blevins (another young pitcher who is pitching well), or one of the”reservists” like DiNardo, Saarloos or Braden.

by OaklandSi on May 18, 2008 3:58 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Since we're long on short relievers and short on

long relievers, I predict DiNardo gets the call. We have the late innings covered, but don’t have much flexibility for eating up innings when needed.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on May 18, 2008 4:02 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Braden

I’d call up Braden because he has been the better pitcher. And, he can go 2-3 innings if need be. He just went 2 innings (0 ER) a couple days ago in Sacto.

by Colorado Fan on May 19, 2008 6:19 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mike Sweeney speaks the truth (Geren would have sugarcoated this)

We had plenty of opportunities to blow the game open, and we didn’t get it done,” said veteran Mike Sweeney, who had two of Oakland’s 11 hits. “We didn’t deserve to win that game. We didn’t play like we wanted to win it.

“Going 2-7 is unacceptable, especially if you are a team like this with the pitching and the talent in this clubhouse. We should be embarrassed to go 2-7 on this road trip.”

by Trainman on May 18, 2008 4:11 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Spoken like a true fan would have said it

The only thing I would have said different is there would have been about 10 four letter words injected here and there into that statement.

No disrespect to Atlanta but we should have swept them

by Trainman on May 18, 2008 4:14 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, no one will question whether

he’s Mexican enough.

formerly known as mdl

by iglew on May 18, 2008 5:37 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I like Mike Sweeney...

even more and more.

Foolsh, the most insane regular poster on AN since oaktoon left - salb

by FoolshGame22 on May 18, 2008 8:42 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mike Sweeney for President!

That guy is a pure leader. It’s nice having Frank back, but it would have been interesting to see what Sweeney could do in the DH slot everyday.

Fire Van Burkleo Now! This offense has suffered enough!

by Coach Cleats on May 18, 2008 9:12 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So when Chavez hit that HR today...

...were the Rivercats winning by 10 or losing by 10 at the time?

I keed, I keed.

by drink409 on May 18, 2008 4:24 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is this the first time he's swung a bat since the surgery?

Because as far as I’m aware he has three extra base hits already.

by OldhamA on May 18, 2008 5:59 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hes played in 3 games, so far. All DHing.

Said hes gonna play 3rd at some point this week.

When will then be now? Soon.

by Syphon on May 18, 2008 6:14 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sounds good.

If he comes away with no pain this week I think he could be back by the 27th. I know he said it wasn’t likely but I don’t see why its not. Am i wrong? Two weeks of rehab I figured was Adequate.

When will then be now? Soon.

by Syphon on May 18, 2008 9:31 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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