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Open Game Thread - Game 39: A's at Rangers

Oakland Athletics at Texas Rangers, May 11, 2008 12:05 PM PDT





Alright, folks, time to roll back the stone from the tomb and see what condition the corpse of HRDN is in.

G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K SB CS AVG OBP SLG
2008 - Rich Harden 2 0 0 7 0 0 0 0 7 15 0 0 .000 .000 .000


He-who-shall-not-be-named is matched up against Sir Sidney Pontoon, the Royal Flotation Device of Aruba, who has put up impressive results so far in a 3-start comeback with the Rangers.

W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2008 - Sidney Ponson 2-0 3 3 0 0 0 0 20.1 20 7 3 0 4 11 1.33 1.18


Pontoon's been sporadically in and out of MLB for so long, that hardly any current Athletics have even faced him. (Of course, the same can be said vis a vis Harden, the DL, and the Rangers.) The only two who have significant ABs against him are:
- Mike Sweeney, 17/36 with 2 2Bs and 4 HRs
- Frank Thomas, 9/24 with 1 2B and 4 HRs

While Frank has generated a fair number of walks (7) against Pontoon, Mike has not (2). Expect Mike to be hacking early and often at Pontoon's meatballs. And this could be a great opportunity for Frank to get some hittable pitches to continue his progress from last night. Definitely a good idea to have both Frank and Mike in the lineup together, and to have Mike in the #2 slot.

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Oh, yes Sidney Ponson

I forget who, last year or or so, had a nick-name for him that cracked me up at the time…it was Sir Fatty-Fat.

alaska A

by ak_A on May 11, 2008 11:57 AM PDT reply actions  

sidlard ponfatshit

"Mommy and Daddy are going to take a nap before the baseball game starts..."

by Devyn on May 11, 2008 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

OK, so what's the over/under on when Harden leaves today's game with a "new" injury?

I’m setting it at the 5th inning… and taking the under.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on May 11, 2008 12:00 PM PDT reply actions  

He'll go 5 innings on a pitch count

3 innings next start, then he’ll get pushed back a day. Then he’ll get scratched from that start, and go retroactive DL (day to day) before being transferred to the 60 day and being gone for the season.

by mikev on May 11, 2008 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't have a good feeling about this.

He’s gonna start, and throw well, and get all of our hopes up again.

pam5981: Patience is a virtue that I do not possess.
ohtobe21likehuston: But you're good at drinking and cussing. Two out of three ain't bad.

by pam5981 on May 11, 2008 12:03 PM PDT reply actions  

(even though we know better)

pam5981: Patience is a virtue that I do not possess.
ohtobe21likehuston: But you're good at drinking and cussing. Two out of three ain't bad.

by pam5981 on May 11, 2008 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Happy birthday Pam (belated)

If Friday was indeed your birthday. If not then never mind and consider me the idiot everyone else always has.

by WaddellCanseco on May 11, 2008 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

It was - thanks!

pam5981: Patience is a virtue that I do not possess.
ohtobe21likehuston: But you're good at drinking and cussing. Two out of three ain't bad.

by pam5981 on May 11, 2008 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Whoa...there's some cool new search functions abounding today on good ol' SB Nation...

pam5981: Patience is a virtue that I do not possess.
ohtobe21likehuston: But you're good at drinking and cussing. Two out of three ain't bad.

by pam5981 on May 11, 2008 12:05 PM PDT reply actions  

Unbelieveable.

Harden better peg somebody in the first.

by mikev on May 11, 2008 12:09 PM PDT reply actions  

mlb.tv help

hi,first post on AN 3.0,i normaly just lurk

i have the standard mlb.tv (not the premium) when i try to watch the game i get a message asking if i want the premium,but i don’t and the message won’t go away so i can’t watch the game

can anyone help?

by totoum on May 11, 2008 12:09 PM PDT reply actions  

I usually close firefox and open it again.

If that doesn’t work I switch to IE. If that doesn’t work I restart the computer. If that doesn’t work I give up and use gameday audio

by WaddellCanseco on May 11, 2008 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've had that problem in firefox, and switching to ie fixes it

Logging out and then logging back in to mlb also works.

The A's colors are green and gold.

by mikeA on May 11, 2008 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

ok thanks

i’ll do that….and probably sue mlb.com one day too

by totoum on May 11, 2008 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

TV broadcast is WAY ahead of radio feed

so much so that it looks like I’ll have to turn up the tv sound, and turn off the radio

by OaklandSi on May 11, 2008 12:11 PM PDT reply actions  

Are you listening on FM or AM?

I was listening to the pregame in the car, and noticed that 106.9 is about 7-10 seconds behind 1550.

The candy and the baseball all night long :)

by Englishmajor on May 11, 2008 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

with the way we have been

hitting, part of me says..hey get the three outs and lets see Harden. but I will take that hit!

alaska A

by ak_A on May 11, 2008 12:11 PM PDT reply actions  

Yay Frank

The candy and the baseball all night long :)

by Englishmajor on May 11, 2008 12:13 PM PDT reply actions  

Yay EMIL!!!!!!!!!!

The candy and the baseball all night long :)

by Englishmajor on May 11, 2008 12:13 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm liking this game so far!

"God doesn't pay attention to your cute little hypotheticals." -- Jeff from LL

by oblique on May 11, 2008 12:14 PM PDT reply actions  

Im starting to think if Beane really wants to win now..

Go with Sweeney everyday and send Barton down till he figure himself out.

When will then be now? Soon.

by Syphon on May 11, 2008 12:15 PM PDT reply actions  

I agree Syphon

Having Daric be the 4th worst hitting Firstbaseman in Baseball is not helping him get better

by asfaninpismobeach on May 11, 2008 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Can you prove that?

Some players get better by struggling and playing against better competition. Destroying AAA pitching for another year (or month or whatever) may not do anything for him.

I could go play a bunch of 8 year olds and be Babe Ruth, but I’m not going to improve at the sport while doing so.

http://bocropleasestopswingingatbadpitches.blogspot.com/

by thejd44 on May 11, 2008 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

You cant argue that hes not hurting the

major league club.

When will then be now? Soon.

by Syphon on May 11, 2008 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

But that's a different question

Should he be sent down because the club would be better served with Sweeney as the everyday 1B is a completely different question than should he be sent down because he won’t get better while struggling at the major league level (and the implication is he WILL get better playing in AAA).

http://bocropleasestopswingingatbadpitches.blogspot.com/

by thejd44 on May 11, 2008 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

You need ABs to get better and he wont be getting

a lot with Sweeney getting most of the ABs. Theres something to be said for confidence as well. A triple A stint may do him well in that area.

When will then be now? Soon.

by Syphon on May 11, 2008 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's possible

But the statement was a very definitive “[struggling in the majors] is not helping him get better.” I’m just making the argument that A) struggling might help him make adjustments and get better and B) going back to AAA won’t necessarily help him get better.

But if he’s not playing, he’s not going to get a lot better (unelss his hand is bothering him, then rest is good). And confidence could be an issue, but I think it’s impossible for any of us to know if that’s a problem.

I’m not totally opposed to sending him down. I just don’t think facing AAA pitching is going to make him a better hitter. It still could be the best move at this point though.

http://bocropleasestopswingingatbadpitches.blogspot.com/

by thejd44 on May 11, 2008 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Im just saying it depends on what Beane wants..

If he wants to win, then send him down and have Sweeney play. If we were 4 games back then Id want Daric playing everyday no matter what. Just depends on the direction of the team.

When will then be now? Soon.

by Syphon on May 11, 2008 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

So, is the team still rebuilding this year?

http://bocropleasestopswingingatbadpitches.blogspot.com/

by thejd44 on May 11, 2008 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good question.

No one knows really other than Billy. The signing of Thomas seems to indicate he trying to win.

When will then be now? Soon.

by Syphon on May 11, 2008 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Okay, another Harden return

coming up. (rubs hands together)

alaska A

by ak_A on May 11, 2008 12:19 PM PDT reply actions  

Like a rare treat to be savored...

...because you never know when you’ll get another one.

Some read stats. Others actually watch the game.

by UncleLeo on May 11, 2008 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm thinking Wash isn't too thrilled

at the idea of yanking Ponson early today.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on May 11, 2008 12:19 PM PDT reply actions  

Which could mean that Sir Sidney is going 4-5 innings no matter what

And that could bode well for the A’s.

http://bocropleasestopswingingatbadpitches.blogspot.com/

by thejd44 on May 11, 2008 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

No kidding...

...a 12-10 game wouldn’t surprise me.

Some read stats. Others actually watch the game.

by UncleLeo on May 11, 2008 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yay Ryan!

I’ve never said that before

by WaddellCanseco on May 11, 2008 12:21 PM PDT reply actions  

I can't help it

I have a man-crush on Josh Hamilton.

http://bocropleasestopswingingatbadpitches.blogspot.com/

by thejd44 on May 11, 2008 12:24 PM PDT reply actions  

Yea its hard to root against him when he is my fantasy center fielder.

Eveland rocks! Eveland rocks! Somewhere Drew Carey just smiled.

by miggyk2 on May 11, 2008 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Im with you JD44

Hamilton and Bradley are both all world talents. I would love to see a few guys like that on the A’s

by asfaninpismobeach on May 11, 2008 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jay Payton?

Eveland rocks! Eveland rocks! Somewhere Drew Carey just smiled.

by miggyk2 on May 11, 2008 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

He was making the effort

He’s just not very good/fast/capable of running and picking up a baseball at the same time.

http://bocropleasestopswingingatbadpitches.blogspot.com/

by thejd44 on May 11, 2008 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

What's up with the weird facial hair?!

Looks like a reverse-Crosby or a Swish Lite

by schmifty on May 11, 2008 12:28 PM PDT reply actions  

I still have a hard time

not liking milton..

too bad things went down like they did, i wish he was still a friend of the organisation like all of the other ex-A’s..

Ellis for President

by tosk on May 11, 2008 12:28 PM PDT reply actions  

I still like him as a player

I only real complaint was that he couldn’t stay healthy

by OaklandSi on May 11, 2008 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

+1

always something “strained” or “torn”...
Even though he went to LB Poly I liked him.

"I never predict anything, and I never will." Paul Gascoigne, English footballer

by One won lost won on May 11, 2008 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Same - he's healthy because he's DHing

so we couldn’t really use him anyway.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on May 11, 2008 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Milton is in many ways impossible

You put up with it. You just shut up and put up with it.

by paradox on May 11, 2008 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Harden looked good - hung a couple changeups

but very good fastball command and just some bad luck.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on May 11, 2008 12:29 PM PDT reply actions  

He looks like his arm is going to fall off.

Eveland rocks! Eveland rocks! Somewhere Drew Carey just smiled.

by miggyk2 on May 11, 2008 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

his chin, though...

didn’t look that great…

Ellis for President

by tosk on May 11, 2008 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

He really looks good

He looks very active… not sure if he is over-amped…
But I like his pitching.
I think the ump’s super-rapid strike gesture is adding to Harden’s rushing it.

"I never predict anything, and I never will." Paul Gascoigne, English footballer

by One won lost won on May 11, 2008 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

BOOT ME!

Eveland rocks! Eveland rocks! Somewhere Drew Carey just smiled.

by miggyk2 on May 11, 2008 12:33 PM PDT reply actions  

It would be nice if it actually went out

one of these days.

pam5981: Patience is a virtue that I do not possess.
ohtobe21likehuston: But you're good at drinking and cussing. Two out of three ain't bad.

by pam5981 on May 11, 2008 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

uh-huh

switching to mlb audio and flopping on the couch.

alaska A

by ak_A on May 11, 2008 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe I'm overly positive about Frank Thomas

But he just one-armed a ball off the end of the bat to the warning track in right field.

I have no doubt he’ll get the power stroke back before long.

http://bocropleasestopswingingatbadpitches.blogspot.com/

by thejd44 on May 11, 2008 12:36 PM PDT reply actions  

When doesn’t he one arm it?

Eveland rocks! Eveland rocks! Somewhere Drew Carey just smiled.

by miggyk2 on May 11, 2008 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agree - he still has it, just mid-May on...

He’s getting pitches to hit, too and JUST missing them.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on May 11, 2008 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Harden's

delivery is slower.

Eveland rocks! Eveland rocks! Somewhere Drew Carey just smiled.

by miggyk2 on May 11, 2008 12:37 PM PDT reply actions  

Holy crap that pitch was sick

Harden is great. Now take him out before he gets hurt.

http://bocropleasestopswingingatbadpitches.blogspot.com/

by thejd44 on May 11, 2008 12:39 PM PDT reply actions  

Too late.

Eveland rocks! Eveland rocks! Somewhere Drew Carey just smiled.

by miggyk2 on May 11, 2008 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

I saw him move and it scared me.

Eveland rocks! Eveland rocks! Somewhere Drew Carey just smiled.

by miggyk2 on May 11, 2008 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

For now.

http://bocropleasestopswingingatbadpitches.blogspot.com/

by thejd44 on May 11, 2008 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

What kind of an effort was that sweeney?

Eveland rocks! Eveland rocks! Somewhere Drew Carey just smiled.

by miggyk2 on May 11, 2008 12:43 PM PDT reply actions  

I think he was chasing a flying bird

instead of the ball. Boy he seemed late getting there.

"I never predict anything, and I never will." Paul Gascoigne, English footballer

by One won lost won on May 11, 2008 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

(*&^(

Dive for that ball, Sweeney!

by paradox on May 11, 2008 12:44 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm more annoyed with throwing to the wrong base

http://bocropleasestopswingingatbadpitches.blogspot.com/

by thejd44 on May 11, 2008 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Really?

Because you really couldn’t hit a ball harder than he did there. It just happened to be right at somebody.

http://bocropleasestopswingingatbadpitches.blogspot.com/

by thejd44 on May 11, 2008 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Happy Mother's Day to some and hello to others!

So have we made up on our mind on Emil Brown this weekend- love him, hate him, hate to love him or love to hate him?

Does Bobby Crosby cRoss Dress for Less?

by ohtobe21likehuston on May 11, 2008 12:44 PM PDT reply actions  

Get that loser out of CF

I could care less if Davis hit 000.

He would have had that

by Trainman on May 11, 2008 12:45 PM PDT reply actions  

What do you guys think about this idea?

Use Harden’s injuries to our advantage. If he pitches for a extended period of time, try and sign him to a 2 year extension on the cheap. Would you be for or against it?

When will then be now? Soon.

by Syphon on May 11, 2008 12:45 PM PDT reply actions  

Not sure, really...

...I’d have to see what “extended period of time” means in hindsight.

Some read stats. Others actually watch the game.

by UncleLeo on May 11, 2008 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lets say... The rest of the year with only 1 trip to the DL

and it a true 15 days DL. Now he has an option next year for 7mil. So lets say a 2 year extension for 18mil.

When will then be now? Soon.

by Syphon on May 11, 2008 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

If he continues to break...

...which I expect will happen, I say decline the option.

Some read stats. Others actually watch the game.

by UncleLeo on May 11, 2008 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

That much? No.

I might go for replacing the $7mil option for a 2 or even 3 year extension @ $15 mil with incentives to bump it up to the $7 to $9 mil range.

Some read stats. Others actually watch the game.

by UncleLeo on May 11, 2008 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

$15 mil total, $5mil each year, I meant

Some read stats. Others actually watch the game.

by UncleLeo on May 11, 2008 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

are you sure?

I hope so, I don’t know why one of our starting pitchers would be warming up right now.

"I can't wait for tommorrow, cause I get so much cooler every day" - shirt worn by Swish

by Bigtoe on May 11, 2008 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just a guess

but, I see no other reason for him to be up.

by speedchaser9 on May 11, 2008 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

It was if

Sweeney said … “Wait … wait … let it drop … wait …wait … let it drop …ok, now go get it.”

I needed a team so I wouldn’t turn into one of the eighty million pink hat-wearing Bud Light-drinking mulleted idiots at Fenway.

by Vacafan on May 11, 2008 12:46 PM PDT reply actions  

Ryan Sweeney special: Playing too deep,

taking an arc-route to the ball, not getting to a ball Rajai Davis gets to. He’s going to kill the A’s if they insist on trotting him out to CF every day.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on May 11, 2008 12:46 PM PDT reply actions  

I agree ..

it was almost like he slowed down just so he wouldn’t catch it. Ridiculous.

I needed a team so I wouldn’t turn into one of the eighty million pink hat-wearing Bud Light-drinking mulleted idiots at Fenway.

by Vacafan on May 11, 2008 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Alright, I get it

Sweeney isn’t great out there in center.

But that single just now was not an easy play. Maybe the best CFs in baseball catch it. Some on a dive. Look where he was playing. Most LFs probably catch that ball, since it was closer to left field than center field.

http://bocropleasestopswingingatbadpitches.blogspot.com/

by thejd44 on May 11, 2008 12:48 PM PDT reply actions  

are you friggin kidding me??

I know 6 year olds that catch that. Seriously. He slowed down to catch it on a hop, and watched the ball drop at his feet.

I needed a team so I wouldn’t turn into one of the eighty million pink hat-wearing Bud Light-drinking mulleted idiots at Fenway.

by Vacafan on May 11, 2008 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Then your grandmother is a top 5-10 CF in baseball

even as a zombie.

http://bocropleasestopswingingatbadpitches.blogspot.com/

by thejd44 on May 11, 2008 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL

Maybe they can dig her up

by Trainman on May 11, 2008 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

She'd probably sign for pretty cheap

Beane can just pay her in the flesh of Angels fans or something.

http://bocropleasestopswingingatbadpitches.blogspot.com/

by thejd44 on May 11, 2008 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fair question

What isn’t fair is acting as if every play that, if made, would be a Web Gem is some routine pop up.

http://bocropleasestopswingingatbadpitches.blogspot.com/

by thejd44 on May 11, 2008 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sweeney plays way too deep

“He had a long to go” doesn’t cut it when he should be playing shallower to begin with.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on May 11, 2008 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

there is a coach devoted

to where OFs play, so you can’t put that on Ryan. Again, get off him.

by sourstuff on May 11, 2008 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, sourstuff, he has to play deep

because he’s not comfortable going back on the ball. As a result, tons of catchable balls fall in front of him.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on May 11, 2008 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

He didnt have to run in much on that one

Looked more like he was shaded towards right center, and that ball was pretty much to left field.

http://bocropleasestopswingingatbadpitches.blogspot.com/

by thejd44 on May 11, 2008 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree.

Cust should be the one not playing in the outfield.

by Kimberly on May 11, 2008 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

WTF is with the NFL music in the back?

Your 2008 East Bay Athletic Rivercats of the greater Fremont Area!

by asfan777 on May 11, 2008 12:49 PM PDT reply actions  

there was also the nice play on Kinsler in the first

... thought, as Nico points out, Sweeney plays super-deep, or he wouldn’t even have had a shot at that.

We're going to knock balls out of the country's park, for the home team, which is America. @('.')@

by monkeyball on May 11, 2008 12:51 PM PDT reply actions  

Ellis

is having some major outbursts of late

by speedchaser9 on May 11, 2008 12:52 PM PDT reply actions  

Sign him cheap

Your 2008 East Bay Athletic Rivercats of the greater Fremont Area!

by asfan777 on May 11, 2008 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

4+ years is for the exceptional player, IMHO...

...and Ellis is very good, but not exceptional. I think he’s worthy of 3 years, though, and I’d like to see him get it here.

Some read stats. Others actually watch the game.

by UncleLeo on May 11, 2008 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

How much would you pay for his age 32-24 years?

Dick Green and Roberto Alomar had nothing left at that point. 2Bs in general don’t seem to age well. Jeff Kent was the exception, Craig Biggio also sort of.

by WaddellCanseco on May 11, 2008 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

uh-huh. sure.

His hitting .230 for 5 weeks was a ploy to lure Beane into a false sense of security.

We're going to knock balls out of the country's park, for the home team, which is America. @('.')@

by monkeyball on May 11, 2008 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

frankly, I think Ponson has better mechanics than HRDN

HRDN’s fastball and change look great (especially that one to strike out Catalanotto), but he is standing almost straight up and down when he pitches, generating all his power from his waist up—no wonder he got a muscle strain in his “back.” He’s also locating mostly above the batters’ waists (a consequence of pitching straight up and down, all arm). He’s getting away with it, but he doesn’t look at all promising for pitching deep into the season, or to teams that are more patient.

We're going to knock balls out of the country's park, for the home team, which is America. @('.')@

by monkeyball on May 11, 2008 12:58 PM PDT reply actions  

Harden....

doesn’t seem to have his spit working/trhowing…

"If people don't know who he is, they'd better turn on the television and check him out."

by jacobo2u on May 11, 2008 12:59 PM PDT reply actions  

That would explain all the 0-2, 2 out hits

That’s prime splitter territory. If he’s getting it up in the strike zone, it’s hittable.

http://bocropleasestopswingingatbadpitches.blogspot.com/

by thejd44 on May 11, 2008 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

thats the problem

because its his best pitch…

"If people don't know who he is, they'd better turn on the television and check him out."

by jacobo2u on May 11, 2008 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

hasn't thrown it yet

according to Fosse. All fastballs and change-ups.

"I never predict anything, and I never will." Paul Gascoigne, English footballer

by One won lost won on May 11, 2008 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

whats the speed variation between the two...

his split at 90? his change is mid to high 80’s… It has looked like he HAS thrown it, just not very often

"If people don't know who he is, they'd better turn on the television and check him out."

by jacobo2u on May 11, 2008 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought he threw it to Kinsler…just not a very good one.

Eveland rocks! Eveland rocks! Somewhere Drew Carey just smiled.

by miggyk2 on May 11, 2008 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

he's only thrown about 2 pitches below batters' waists

I think a big part of his success on the FB so far is that he’s throwing it so high. If he starts struggling with his control, and he drops the FB 1-2 inches, he’s gonna get hammered.

We're going to knock balls out of the country's park, for the home team, which is America. @('.')@

by monkeyball on May 11, 2008 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Even if Harden comes out if this start healthy....

It for sure isnt a great outing

Your 2008 East Bay Athletic Rivercats of the greater Fremont Area!

by asfan777 on May 11, 2008 1:00 PM PDT reply actions  

Im not interested in results so much as

in him being healthy.

When will then be now? Soon.

by Syphon on May 11, 2008 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

+1

On this game, plus the next two, it is simply “showing up” and getting 4-5 innings.

"I never predict anything, and I never will." Paul Gascoigne, English footballer

by One won lost won on May 11, 2008 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

OMG

Your 2008 East Bay Athletic Rivercats of the greater Fremont Area!

by asfan777 on May 11, 2008 1:04 PM PDT reply actions  

even if Rich gets out of this jam

he may not make it through 5 and qualify for the win

by OaklandSi on May 11, 2008 1:05 PM PDT reply actions  

duke warming up

why???? I thought gaudin was in the pen

"If people don't know who he is, they'd better turn on the television and check him out."

by jacobo2u on May 11, 2008 1:05 PM PDT reply actions  

he could me just doing his session

but someone will be warming up to come in for sure…Rich may be close to his pitch limit today

by OaklandSi on May 11, 2008 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh man.

pam5981: Patience is a virtue that I do not possess.
ohtobe21likehuston: But you're good at drinking and cussing. Two out of three ain't bad.

by pam5981 on May 11, 2008 1:05 PM PDT reply actions  

Oh woman.

Does Bobby Crosby cRoss Dress for Less?

by ohtobe21likehuston on May 11, 2008 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

tied

I need a win like a baby needs its momma.

by paradox on May 11, 2008 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hate playing in Texas

Your 2008 East Bay Athletic Rivercats of the greater Fremont Area!

by asfan777 on May 11, 2008 1:05 PM PDT reply actions  

LOL.

pam5981: Patience is a virtue that I do not possess.
ohtobe21likehuston: But you're good at drinking and cussing. Two out of three ain't bad.

by pam5981 on May 11, 2008 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hate playing in Arlington.

pam5981: Patience is a virtue that I do not possess.
ohtobe21likehuston: But you're good at drinking and cussing. Two out of three ain't bad.

by pam5981 on May 11, 2008 1:05 PM PDT reply actions  

The A’s may not qualify for the win let alone Harden.

Eveland rocks! Eveland rocks! Somewhere Drew Carey just smiled.

by miggyk2 on May 11, 2008 1:05 PM PDT reply actions  

Good God

all with 2 fucking outs

by Trainman on May 11, 2008 1:05 PM PDT reply actions  

They stole our 2-out rally mojo from earlier in the season.

pam5981: Patience is a virtue that I do not possess.
ohtobe21likehuston: But you're good at drinking and cussing. Two out of three ain't bad.

by pam5981 on May 11, 2008 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ugh, well, at least they're out of the inning

http://bocropleasestopswingingatbadpitches.blogspot.com/

by thejd44 on May 11, 2008 1:06 PM PDT reply actions  

Crap we already met our run-scored quota

I thought with Harden pitching we could keep it below 4… but crap.

by Zonis on May 11, 2008 1:06 PM PDT reply actions  

Omg this Texas announcer sounds like

a 6 year old boy crying whenever the Ranges do something good.

When will then be now? Soon.

by Syphon on May 11, 2008 1:06 PM PDT reply actions  

Did anybody see Harden smiling/laphing during the mound visit?

Your 2008 East Bay Athletic Rivercats of the greater Fremont Area!

by asfan777 on May 11, 2008 1:07 PM PDT reply actions  

I think he was trying to convince the television audience that his arm is not about to fall off.

Eveland rocks! Eveland rocks! Somewhere Drew Carey just smiled.

by miggyk2 on May 11, 2008 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Young told him

“Rich, the people on AN think your facial hair is really lame. We’re going to take you out a bit early so you can go in the clubhouse and shave.”

The candy and the baseball all night long :)

by Englishmajor on May 11, 2008 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Crud

Well, at least we can hit Ponson, so we can get back in this with no problem.

The candy and the baseball all night long :)

by Englishmajor on May 11, 2008 1:07 PM PDT reply actions  

Harden will go 4, max

Battle of the bullpens.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on May 11, 2008 1:07 PM PDT reply actions  

That SHOULD benefit the A's

But who knows anymore?

http://bocropleasestopswingingatbadpitches.blogspot.com/

by thejd44 on May 11, 2008 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think he's done

71 pitches with an 80 pitch limit. I see Duke in the 4th

by WaddellCanseco on May 11, 2008 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Farking Texas

Lucky Sweeney drove that to straight center.

by paradox on May 11, 2008 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

so why is duke warming up

I thought gaudin was in the pen…

"If people don't know who he is, they'd better turn on the television and check him out."

by jacobo2u on May 11, 2008 1:08 PM PDT reply actions  

damn i thought that was gone.

Eveland rocks! Eveland rocks! Somewhere Drew Carey just smiled.

by miggyk2 on May 11, 2008 1:09 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm gonna keep ripping on Hannahan

because ever since I got on the whole “he’s not a major leaguer” thing he’s been hitting very well.

Screw you, Hannahan!

http://bocropleasestopswingingatbadpitches.blogspot.com/

by thejd44 on May 11, 2008 1:09 PM PDT reply actions  

I hope we have a huge inning here

if only just to hear this phone call become VERY awkward

by speedchaser9 on May 11, 2008 1:09 PM PDT reply actions  

2 Headed Monster - Harden / Duke

Duke is on 4 Days Rest. I assume the next time Harden pitches will be on 5 days rest (Next Saturday @ ATL)

Mon: OFF
Tue: Blanton
Wed: Smith
Thur: Eveland
Fri: Duke / Harden (whoever feels better)
Sat: Duke / Harden (whoever feels better)

by Colorado Fan on May 11, 2008 1:09 PM PDT reply actions  

I hope Tom Grieve's mom drops an F bomb or something

http://bocropleasestopswingingatbadpitches.blogspot.com/

by thejd44 on May 11, 2008 1:09 PM PDT reply actions  

Wouldnt it be nuts if Zook flied out to right?

Your 2008 East Bay Athletic Rivercats of the greater Fremont Area!

by asfan777 on May 11, 2008 1:11 PM PDT reply actions  

This really is a terrible idea

She’s just rambling about Marcus Thames for no real good reason.

http://bocropleasestopswingingatbadpitches.blogspot.com/

by thejd44 on May 11, 2008 1:13 PM PDT reply actions  

Its cute

Like watching a puppy eat peanut butter

by speedchaser9 on May 11, 2008 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

The things we miss by getting the A's telecast

We did get to hear Mike Sweeney talk about his mom during the radio pregame, though.

The candy and the baseball all night long :)

by Englishmajor on May 11, 2008 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Let's go, Good Sweeney

http://bocropleasestopswingingatbadpitches.blogspot.com/

by thejd44 on May 11, 2008 1:14 PM PDT reply actions  

Frankie Frank.

Time to do your job.

pam5981: Patience is a virtue that I do not possess.
ohtobe21likehuston: But you're good at drinking and cussing. Two out of three ain't bad.

by pam5981 on May 11, 2008 1:16 PM PDT reply actions  

DAMMIT!

Does Bobby Crosby cRoss Dress for Less?

by ohtobe21likehuston on May 11, 2008 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

FAIL.

pam5981: Patience is a virtue that I do not possess.
ohtobe21likehuston: But you're good at drinking and cussing. Two out of three ain't bad.

by pam5981 on May 11, 2008 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well I always believe everything Nico has to say...

pam5981: Patience is a virtue that I do not possess.
ohtobe21likehuston: But you're good at drinking and cussing. Two out of three ain't bad.

by pam5981 on May 11, 2008 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Really?

I would think Beane would wait ‘til the end of June to waive him.

We're going to knock balls out of the country's park, for the home team, which is America. @('.')@

by monkeyball on May 11, 2008 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

Eveland rocks! Eveland rocks! Somewhere Drew Carey just smiled.

by miggyk2 on May 11, 2008 1:17 PM PDT reply actions  

My housemates

all cowered in fear after I gave a similar yalp

by speedchaser9 on May 11, 2008 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

F

Your 2008 East Bay Athletic Rivercats of the greater Fremont Area!

by asfan777 on May 11, 2008 1:17 PM PDT reply actions  

FAIL!!!

Thomas is getting on my nerves.

When will then be now? Soon.

by Syphon on May 11, 2008 1:17 PM PDT reply actions  

I can't really get mad at a guy for smoking a ball to the warning track

http://bocropleasestopswingingatbadpitches.blogspot.com/

by thejd44 on May 11, 2008 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

good point

Does Bobby Crosby cRoss Dress for Less?

by ohtobe21likehuston on May 11, 2008 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think I hate this Boggs guy

http://bocropleasestopswingingatbadpitches.blogspot.com/

by thejd44 on May 11, 2008 1:18 PM PDT reply actions  

+1, as they say

The difference is monumental.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on May 11, 2008 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Since Sacramento has shown, NONE of the Rangers games, I keep hearing Vince,

and Ken, yelling about the great catches for the Rangers outfielders with runners on base.

by theblackpearl on May 11, 2008 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

They've made some good plays. They have much more range than we do in the

OF though so it’s unfair to call them (the plays) great in comparison to the rest of the league. In comparison to us however…

by OldhamA on May 11, 2008 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

74 pitches so far….How many will they let him throw? 20 more? maybe?

You don't win friends with salad.

by tresselfan on May 11, 2008 1:21 PM PDT reply actions  

10 max

Your 2008 East Bay Athletic Rivercats of the greater Fremont Area!

by asfan777 on May 11, 2008 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

How is he shaking off three pitches when he's only throwing 2?

pam5981: Patience is a virtue that I do not possess.
ohtobe21likehuston: But you're good at drinking and cussing. Two out of three ain't bad.

by pam5981 on May 11, 2008 1:21 PM PDT reply actions  

conspiracy theory

Does Bobby Crosby cRoss Dress for Less?

by ohtobe21likehuston on May 11, 2008 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

The slider keeps getting hit....

I think it looks like a regular guys fastball….

You don't win friends with salad.

by tresselfan on May 11, 2008 1:22 PM PDT reply actions  

Just rippin hardens ass

He has given up more hits then Ponson.

by asfaninpismobeach on May 11, 2008 1:23 PM PDT reply actions  

Wooooo!

MSweeney.

pam5981: Patience is a virtue that I do not possess.
ohtobe21likehuston: But you're good at drinking and cussing. Two out of three ain't bad.

by pam5981 on May 11, 2008 1:23 PM PDT reply actions  

Crap - two outs

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on May 11, 2008 1:24 PM PDT reply actions  

Nice

Eveland rocks! Eveland rocks! Somewhere Drew Carey just smiled.

by miggyk2 on May 11, 2008 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah, they need to start getting some double plays with 1 out.

http://bocropleasestopswingingatbadpitches.blogspot.com/

by thejd44 on May 11, 2008 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

FUCK.

pam5981: Patience is a virtue that I do not possess.
ohtobe21likehuston: But you're good at drinking and cussing. Two out of three ain't bad.

by pam5981 on May 11, 2008 1:24 PM PDT reply actions  

Your still a heroin addict

Eveland rocks! Eveland rocks! Somewhere Drew Carey just smiled.

by miggyk2 on May 11, 2008 1:25 PM PDT reply actions  

Honestly, miggyk2, that is one of the

most pathetic comments I’ve seen. Not only do you spell “you’re” incorrectly (which is bad enough to this grammar nazi), but you trash someone who has battled a drug problem successfully to become one of the league’s most exciting players. For what, playing well?

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on May 11, 2008 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

We score in the first, then suck...

...they manage to scratch something every inning. Crap!

Some read stats. Others actually watch the game.

by UncleLeo on May 11, 2008 1:25 PM PDT reply actions  

WHAT?

Harden STILL in?

pam5981: Patience is a virtue that I do not possess.
ohtobe21likehuston: But you're good at drinking and cussing. Two out of three ain't bad.

by pam5981 on May 11, 2008 1:26 PM PDT reply actions  

lol, Joey Devine just put himself in the game

http://bocropleasestopswingingatbadpitches.blogspot.com/

by thejd44 on May 11, 2008 1:26 PM PDT reply actions  

I thought he was coming in to play left field

Eveland rocks! Eveland rocks! Somewhere Drew Carey just smiled.

by miggyk2 on May 11, 2008 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just fucking walk Hamilton

how many runs do you have to give up to one guy in a series before you start to pitch around him?

by asfaninpismobeach on May 11, 2008 1:26 PM PDT reply actions  

The guy after him is no slouch

http://bocropleasestopswingingatbadpitches.blogspot.com/

by thejd44 on May 11, 2008 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hi Milton

How you gonna fuck us up this time?

by paradox on May 11, 2008 1:26 PM PDT reply actions  

Momentum = not on our side.

pam5981: Patience is a virtue that I do not possess.
ohtobe21likehuston: But you're good at drinking and cussing. Two out of three ain't bad.

by pam5981 on May 11, 2008 1:26 PM PDT reply actions  

Just imagine if we had selected Hamilton with the Rule 5 pick

Suzuki
Hamiton
Cust
Thomas
Brown
Barton
Ellis
Crosby
Hannahan

Sigh

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on May 11, 2008 1:27 PM PDT reply actions  

Was he available?

Eveland rocks! Eveland rocks! Somewhere Drew Carey just smiled.

by miggyk2 on May 11, 2008 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

That makes the Cubs look even worse

Since they still don’t have a center fielder.

http://bocropleasestopswingingatbadpitches.blogspot.com/

by thejd44 on May 11, 2008 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Felix Pie is soooo good on MLB 2k7 though

Eveland rocks! Eveland rocks! Somewhere Drew Carey just smiled.

by miggyk2 on May 11, 2008 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

We could have drafted Hamilton instead of Goleski

with our Rule 5 pick two years ago. A lot of us wanted that because he has such great upside whereas Goleski, like Neu, Marshall et al, only had ok upside anyway.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on May 11, 2008 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Finally

why does Harden look so happy?

by butler19 on May 11, 2008 1:28 PM PDT reply actions  

He always looks smug.

pam5981: Patience is a virtue that I do not possess.
ohtobe21likehuston: But you're good at drinking and cussing. Two out of three ain't bad.

by pam5981 on May 11, 2008 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thatswhat I have been trying to figure out

He was laphing during every mound visit…. maybe because most the runs were off 2 out flairs?

Your 2008 East Bay Athletic Rivercats of the greater Fremont Area!

by asfan777 on May 11, 2008 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Now, Joey

now you can come out of the bullpen

by OaklandSi on May 11, 2008 1:28 PM PDT reply actions  

Not bad at all

8 hits , 5 runs through 3 2/3. Could be worse. We could have Pnson pitching for the A’s today. My bad he is beating Harden today

by asfaninpismobeach on May 11, 2008 1:30 PM PDT reply actions  

why is Devine in there

why not just put Gaudin in and have him finish it?

by Zonis on May 11, 2008 1:30 PM PDT reply actions  

We still have 4-5 more innings

Why not go to Devine to get out of this jam and then Gaudin later? Makes sense to me.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on May 11, 2008 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm expectine Devine to start the next inning.

Some read stats. Others actually watch the game.

by UncleLeo on May 11, 2008 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Me too

From Gaudin, Brown, and Street you have the 6th on covered.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on May 11, 2008 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

So much for all that "Harden anticipation", eh?

Some read stats. Others actually watch the game.

by UncleLeo on May 11, 2008 1:31 PM PDT reply actions  

Agree

Maybe they should have had him begin in long relief.

"I never predict anything, and I never will." Paul Gascoigne, English footballer

by One won lost won on May 11, 2008 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

AAAAHHHHH!!!

Oh, sorry.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on May 11, 2008 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Its just common sense though

why bring a guy up if he is not ready? Let him get a few starts in Sac, get his arm in shape. He needs his splitter to be affective.

by asfaninpismobeach on May 11, 2008 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Because he normally dominates right after coming off the DL.

When he is only going to have 8-10 starts a year you better get your money’s worth.

Does Bobby Crosby cRoss Dress for Less?

by ohtobe21likehuston on May 11, 2008 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

They did all that

First game back in the bigs is going to be iffy no matter what.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on May 11, 2008 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

True

But it’s not as if he’s “rusty”, he was pitching at Stockton and Sacto.

Overall, just one of those frustrating games when you’re on the wrong end of “luck”.

About 4 of the hits Harden gave up were on pitches that should NOT have been hit for a base hit….
but, that is baseball.

"I never predict anything, and I never will." Paul Gascoigne, English footballer

by One won lost won on May 11, 2008 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thank God

That inning felt like forever.

by paradox on May 11, 2008 1:34 PM PDT reply actions  

Devine Intervention was definitely needed there

http://bocropleasestopswingingatbadpitches.blogspot.com/

by thejd44 on May 11, 2008 1:34 PM PDT reply actions  

LOL! That's pretty good.

Some read stats. Others actually watch the game.

by UncleLeo on May 11, 2008 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Devine is now hillarious to me

Him trotting in when not called was good times.

by butler19 on May 11, 2008 1:35 PM PDT reply actions  

TB gives ANA an extra out

as Crawford and Bartlett collide and the ball drops out of Crawford’s glove

Willits has a 6 and a half minute at bat before flying out. YES, 6 and a half minutes

Now game over (LOL) for them

by Trainman on May 11, 2008 1:35 PM PDT reply actions  

NEW THREAD OPEN

We're going to knock balls out of the country's park, for the home team, which is America. @('.')@

by monkeyball on May 11, 2008 1:36 PM PDT reply actions  

how very direct of you.

pam5981: Patience is a virtue that I do not possess.
ohtobe21likehuston: But you're good at drinking and cussing. Two out of three ain't bad.

by pam5981 on May 11, 2008 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

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