Harden Scratched From Tomorrow's Start - Updated
by HigherPie on Apr 7, 2008 6:48 PM PDT
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PrintI've just arrived in Toronto to a bombshell: Rich Harden has been scratched from his start tomorrow night.We're. All. Gonna. Die.
No further info was given, but he was held to 86 pitches his last time out after having thrown 95 the time before that. He was bothered by biceps tendinitis this offseason, but hasn't had any other issues since the end of last season.
Chad Gaudin will start tomorrow night, which means the A's will have to be a [sic] roster move.
MINOR UPDATE: Slusser added one strange sentence to her blog post:
He is now expected to start Saturday at Cleveland, according to an e-mail from the team's P.R. department.I have no idea what's going on here. That sentence makes it seem as though a trade isn't imminent, which has been speculated in the comments. It also doesn't make it sound too bad, if it is an iunjury. Flu? Rest? SARS? I guess we'll know more in the morning.
MORNING UPDATE: One start. Not serious. Yet. Blah blah blah:
The A's have scratched Rich Harden for tonight's game in Toronto with back soreness, specifically in the lat area.Gaudin will make the start Tuesday. Slusser also writes that a source tells her Greg Smith will be called up to start Wednesday.
The injury is believed to be minor and it might have been the aftereffects of the long flights to and from Japan last month. Harden is now expected to start at Cleveland on Saturday.
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Been busy quitting my job
So I'll be back soon. :-)
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nothing, now
And what did we do once we discovered a rift in the fourth dimension? We launched a monkey into it. @('.')@
I guess that's the good news
As long as he can't pitch we can keep him on the team forever! Whee!
The candy and the baseball all night long: )
if he can dance
perhaps he can replace the new Stomper
(just a lame joke...this is upsetting, though not surprising)
I take PayPal
And what did we do once we discovered a rift in the fourth dimension? We launched a monkey into it. @('.')@
Hardin is probably just staying in from the cold
I have a feeling there is nothing wrong with Hardin. They have been talking alot about the real cold weather on this trip and they may just be taking Hardin out of the rotation so that he doesn't hurt himself from playing in the cold.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
Harden is probably not pitching for the same reasons
Misspelled Harden's name twice above... ouch
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
probably not
I dont know if anyone has thought "theres probably nothing wrong with Harden" and been correct
Good point
Isn't Toronto a domed stadium? if so, then that kills my explaination
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
My source said
Harden's next start was simply pushed back another day.
I'm here to talk about the past.
I dont think Rich is going..
on the DL. Just pushed him back a day. And either Duke goes on the DL or DH is gone.
When will then be now? Soon.
the A's link lists Harden for Wednesday
however, Slusser's note in the Chron says he's been moved to pitch on Saturday...
Source
Plus I had a conversation with Marty Lurie this morning who said the same thing.
Here's hoping.
I'm here to talk about the past.
Maybe this is a move for
Gaudin to pitch on schedule. (crosses fingers and toes...)
Nature's first green is gold...
looks like it (also crosses fingers)
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
Bullpen
This is a move to use Gaudin for 80 pitches (4 or 5 innings). The bullpen will be fresh tomorrow. Duke to the DL.
(i hope)
Bullpen
This seems more likely with the bullpen being fresh and will be ready just in case Gaudin bombs in his first time back.
by sf drift king on Apr 7, 2008 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe there's a pending trade.
"I'm going to take a camera crew and march into Billy Beane's office and demand to know why instituting his newfangled cost-saving measures means that the run manufacturing plant had to get shut down." FJM
So who had two
In the starts-before-Harden-hits-the-DL pool?
But seriously. Is anyone surprised by this? I see a lot of freaking out here. I don't understand it. This was inevitable.
RagingHarden: Yeah if you get 20 starts out of me I'll be shocked. Like, I'll wreck my drawers.
+1
But seriously. Is anyone surprised by this? I see a lot of freaking out here. I don't understand it. This was inevitable.
I don't see how anybody can be surprised by this. Disappointed, sure, but not surprised.
"Rebuilding" is loser mentality.
Another Lost Season?
I sincerely hope this is all precautionary. Can anyone name another pitcher talent-wise similar to Rich who has had his career derailed by injuries? If this is something serious, how will Rich handle this mentally?
It's a good thing we have some pitching depth. Greg Smith is going to have his ticket punched to Oakland sooner rather than later. Gio will be next.
Among many others...
Can anyone name another pitcher talent-wise similar to Rich who has had his career derailed by injuries?
Mark Fidrych, Wally Bunker
formerly known as mdl
Herb Score got hit in the head
with a line drive. It wasn't as if he had shoulder problems, back problems, leg problems, arm problems (see Kerry Woods, Hardin, Mike Hampton...et al).
If that ball simply went 18 inches higher, Herb Score would have done much better in his career.
"I never predict anything, and I never will." Paul Gascoigne, English footballer
by One won lost won on Apr 8, 2008 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
D'oh!
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
by The Dogfather on Apr 8, 2008 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions
So Slusser has Harden scheduled for Saturday.
The A's page has him on Wednesday. It looks like Gaudin is coming back a couple days earlier than anticipated (although this decision could also involve non-Harden factors such as a quick rehab or Duke's injury).
Here's what I can come up with:
1) Harden is hurt and, as usual, the A's PR staff is loathe to divulge information. Test results are pending.
2) As mentioned above, the move is designed to keep Gaudin on schedule.
3) The A's are going with the pitch-Harden-once-a-week plan mentioned on the sfgate blog last week. This seems unlikely given it will have already been a week since Rich's last start on Tuesday. Also Harden doesn't like being treated as an injured player, and history suggests the A's are unlikely to treat him as such during his brief bouts of good health.
4) A trade is in the works with a team that wants Harden to be able to pitch some time in the next few days.
5) Eveland (slated to pitch Thursday) stole Harden's passport and wrote his name on it.
I'd take any of the non-injury related options. Any other ideas?
Well, I had "zero"...
does that count?
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
It's like the phases of the moon
1. We're pushing Harden's next start back a few days.
2. Harden is skipping this start but is expected to take his next turn.
3. His next turn is also being pushed back a few days.
4. We're putting him on the 15-day DL but it's retroactive. He'll only miss two, or at most three, starts.
5. Harden is still experiencing discomfort and is being shut down. Dr. Yocum says there is no structural damage and prescribes rest and rehabilitation.
Etc., etc., etc.
at this point, Rich might do better seeing Dwight Yoakam
And what did we do once we discovered a rift in the fourth dimension? We launched a monkey into it. @('.')@
I was thinking Jack Kevorkian, but Yoakam's good too
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This is his last chance...
If he doesnt stay healthy this year dont pick up his 7 mil option or try and trade him.
When will then be now? Soon.
Guessing
It's likely a non-baseball related scratch. With Harden there's no way they'd bother even considering to schedule his next start if there was something physically wrong with him. They'd be treating him exactly as they are with Duke. He's probably just got that nasty cold/flu that's going around.
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It is a nasty one
Hit the office like a brick.
But still, Harden not pitching is like sun in the Mojave
I'm shocked!!!!
Just shocked!!!
Listen carefully A's fans:
Harden. Is. Made. Of. Glass.
He has been a non-factor on this team for the last 2 years. He simply cannot last more than a start or two. The A's should trade him for anything they can. And I mean anything. Though I don't know why any team would want to deal for him. He will not contribute. Ever.
Atleast...
KRod just gave up the tying and winning run in the 9th vs Cleveland.
When will then be now? Soon.
Thus endeth the Angels' streak of winning games they lead after 8 innngs?
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Actually, not yet as far as I can see -
You said K-Rod gave up the tying and winning runs, but it looks like you meant tying and go-ahead runs. They're going to let the Angels bat in the bottom of the 9th - for this I blame Bud Selig.
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LoL yeah...
Its in Cleveland so go-ahead... Still could prove to be the winning run if the game ends.
When will then be now? Soon.
The game is almost guaranteed to end
(All-Star games notwithstanding.)
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Well he does suck.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
The Angels always have luck.
They always seem to make a comeback. Well maybe that isn't luck, it's skill . But it's irritating anyway!
Street
Why do the Indians continue to throw Joe Borowski out there in the 9th. It might be time get a bidding war going between the Indians & Tigers.
The Tigers have nothing to offer ... nothing at all.
"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback
The Tigers have nothing that they'd be willing to offer ... nothing at all ...
"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback
The "keep Gaudin on turn, give Harden a few extra days
while you're at it" explanation, and the "Harden has the flu" explanation, are just good enough to keep me in denial for another day or two.
Then I'll get mad and break something.
Probably Harden.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
I think a glass bobblehead would be hilarious
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
He'll be fine ...
and if he's not, he's already exceeded the production that Staturday projected him for!
"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback
Honestly, who thought he'd make it all the way to April 7th?
We should consider ourselves blessed. And we got practically 6 innings from Duke!
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Why didn't somebody tell me
I wrote "it's" instead of "its" in the first sentence? I friggin' hate that, and apologize to everyone, especially EnglishMajor. But not Nico.
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Your welcome
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Disease: too much internet!
You hang around the internet long enough, it's bound to infect you!!
I can tell you (I was going to write "I can't tell you how many..".= cliche) that an astounding number of business sites on the internet use "it's " incorrectly.
Small sample size....sure, but my anecdotal evidence is showing about one in seven or eight sites....
astounding!
thanks for the self-arrest.
"I never predict anything, and I never will." Paul Gascoigne, English footballer
by One won lost won on Apr 7, 2008 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Its okay.
Now that your doing what everyone should do: apologize for there mistakes.
"There is an HR in Hanrahan." ~ mikeA
lol poppy
Proofread much?
apologize for there mistakes?
by AthleticsRock on Apr 8, 2008 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Use of the Up Button 101
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
tsk.
And "its." And "your."
It's totally hawt that the first comment you decided to make (three minutes after joining AN) was a spelling correction... ;)
"There is an HR in Hanrahan." ~ mikeA
Don't get me wrong
I generally can't spell, and I don't know grammar. But I love irony! So much so that I was forced to join just to point that out. Sorry for being annoying.
by AthleticsRock on Apr 9, 2008 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
You're not being annoying.
Sorry for not making it more obvious that I'm joking at you... LOL
"There is an HR in Hanrahan." ~ mikeA
This is what I heard yesterday
from a pretty good source (undisclosed of course).
Harden was already feeling the "pinch". "Shutdown" is the word that was used to describe the situation Not good. Like the worst possible news we could all hear at this point in the year...........shitsky! Additionaly,
the team is getting Greg Smith ready to come up very soon. I also hear the A's brass is even higher on Smith than they are on Eveland. Interesting..... Also, Carlos Gonzalez will be the regular centerfielder for the A's by the beginning of May.
As I was told, this is an organizational decision on Gonz and Smith. Take what you will from it I just hope we have not seen the last off Tricky Dick.
{protests human right-arm abuses}
And what did we do once we discovered a rift in the fourth dimension? We launched a monkey into it. @('.')@
Pushed back one day!!!!
Not pushed off a cliff, not pusing up daisies...pushed back ONE day! Christ peoples, hows about a little optimism?
(God, please don't let it be fatal!)
2008 Oakland Athletics...more than meets the eye!
It's his back
The A's have scratched Rich Harden for tonight's game in Toronto with back soreness, specifically in the lat area.
The injury is believed to be minor and it might have been the aftereffects of the long flights to and from Japan last month. Harden is now expected to start at Cleveland on Saturday.
(Formerly Nobody Girl)
"We are a complete freak show." -- Billy Beane
the aftereffects of the flight on ...
... the PR staff: "back soreness" was the best cover story they could come up with, the PR staff themselves having yet to recover from the circadian changes from the flights to and fro.
And what did we do once we discovered a rift in the fourth dimension? We launched a monkey into it. @('.')@
contra costa times and san jose mercury
call it "side muscle soreness" and don't mention the flights.
I trust Alan Colmes because he's the best "journalist" on Fox News.
"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback
Remember: This is supposed to be a rebuilding season
If I look at it that way, losing Harden doesn't ruin my night so much.
Seriously though, isn't this a little bit like a girlfriend cheating on you repeatedly, but you stay with her because when she's into you, she's pretty awesome? I'm reminded of the song "Self Esteem" by Offspring. That's kinda how I feel about Harden.
The more important question, I guess, is who goes away with Gaudin coming off the DL? Does DJ get DFAd?
http://bocropleasestopswingingatbadpitches.blogspot.com/
by thejd44 on Apr 8, 2008 12:46 AM PDT reply actions
I haven't heard Offspring for a while. What else did they sing?
It is funny how Rich keeps making enough starts, every once in a while, to get everybody all excited. Question: If we knew he was only capable of making two starts a year for the rest of his career, wouldn't it be worth paying him the major-league minimum to make those two starts? And by the way, if I'm Rich, I'm not even thinking about retirement for this very reason. Even as a guy who can only make two starts per year, he could still probably make a living out of those two starts until he's 40 ... a helluva lot better living than what the rest of us are getting by on.
And of course, hope springs eternal that he's back on Saturday. 5:1 odds against, but still hope springs eternal.
Brainless Automaton #439
in the case of Harden, I think the chestnut is ...
Hope springs a leak.
And what did we do once we discovered a rift in the fourth dimension? We launched a monkey into it. @('.')@
More like
Hope takes a leak... on you.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
I half-jokingly suggested some time ago
that the A's should just save Harden for the playoffs and only ever have him pitch then... of course, since the team isn't going anywhere this season, that might be a sign to trade him for a bag of baseballs.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
He'll Pitch Saturday
My own prediction: He'll start on Saturday. He'll strike out six guys in the first three innings, then be pulled and go on the DL.
I would call JINX! but...
it's not like that's unlikely, or something we aren't all thinking about anyway... :\
"There is an HR in Hanrahan." ~ mikeA
That's pretty much what I told a friend of mine
And after Saturday, we won't see him again until June.
http://bocropleasestopswingingatbadpitches.blogspot.com/
by thejd44 on Apr 8, 2008 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Dan Meyer
It might be time to do the one of the following:
- Chavvy 60-Day DL
- Dan Meyer DFA
- Trade Dan Johnson
- Send Harden to Yokum
It might be time to close the door on the Hudson Trade (DFA Meyer), and move forward with the Master Plan.
So much for my sources
FIRE 67MARQUEZ NOW!
(We didn't kbow he was hired)
I'm here to talk about the past.
What lousy news to start the day
Maybe I should go back to bed.
Faith and perspective...2008 Oakland A's.
Funny
Yesterday afternoon I was looking at the Blue Jays site and they listed Gaudin as the starter. I just assumed they got it wrong. Turns out they had a heads up on this.
But it's not really funny. It's tragic. I feel sick.
Sweating the small stuff
This just proves
that if Beane can get a near full price offer in a trade for Harden he should take it regardless of the A's record.
The A's can't count on Rich Harden to stay healthy.
The monster at the end of this blog.
Well, 20% of the season should be worth more than a bag of baseballs...
perhaps Beane can work his typical acumen and get the other team to throw in some aluminum bats for the A's community softball games.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
Harden=Toast
Bummer. Big time, I was encouraged, but it all went to hell... Arghhhh.
Maybe the A's will deal Huston Street to the Indians, get some arms or middle infield help and then move Harden to closer to make him more attractive to other teams?
Knee jerk reaction!
The Athletics current situation:
Rich Harden and Duke already hurt, Chavez still on DL, Buck still hitless, Beanes' thoughts about the current status of the A's : No Problem!
Gotta love the way the A's don't expect at any given the roster to be healthy, so it's always going to be plug and chug with all the prospects until some consistency plays out.
Memo to Beane: Bring back Canseco!!!!!
[wavy dream lines]
"It's not good," said Harden, who has been out with a strained right lat muscle since Aug. 19. "As soon as I started trying to throw changeups and really extend the arm, I could feel it. Hopefully, it doesn't put me back too far."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"No way," Harden said after Sunday's loss to the Rangers. "There's no way I can start a game Friday. I don't even know when I'm going to be able to throw, period -- even on the side. We'll see how it is tomorrow, but it seems like every time I try to let it go, it gets hurt again and I'm back where I started.
"It's really frustrating, because it's not a major injury, but it's the kind that just takes a lot of time to get better. And we don't have a lot of time."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Hi, I need to... uh... determination..."
Why, Rich? Why?
...I had $20 bucks on you making it through three starts, you've disappointed me.
"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."
Hey, at least you don't look as foolish
as the people who had money on Mike Hampton making ONE start.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
+1
and, I think Hampton is his own worst enemy. He invariably rushes it, so something else breaks, or he reinjures the same injury.
"I never predict anything, and I never will." Paul Gascoigne, English footballer
by One won lost won on Apr 8, 2008 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
sounds like the same injury
and it's more likely that pitching -- not airplane flights -- is the problem
given who the replacement starter for Rich was ...
... perhaps those should be [wavy nightmare lines]
And what did we do once we discovered a rift in the fourth dimension? We launched a monkey into it. @('.')@
Are the wavy lines...
accompanied by a Wayne's World-esque "doodley-doot, doodley-doot, doodley-doot..."?
"There is an HR in Hanrahan." ~ mikeA
The future is now because the present is on the DL
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Actually, the present is day to day
Which is kind of funny when you think about it.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
+1
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
by The Dogfather on Apr 8, 2008 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Is it possible that this was why Harden only threw 80 some pitches in his last start?
Big Papi Eats Big Boogers
Weird
how there still isn't any news on the A's website about Harden's scratch. I don't like it.
Sweating the small stuff
They will mention it, when they decide the roster move they have to make to activate
Gaudin. It will be around 4:30-5:00, or if OaklandA23 is still around, maybe sooner.
by theblackpearl on Apr 8, 2008 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions
My chiropractor has a great cartoon . . .
"Before we try assisted suicide, let's give chiropractic a chance."
Well, Harden has already tried chiropractic . . .
But, seriously, I wouldn't panic unless the weekend comes and goes and he hasn't started.
My earliest memory in life is of Campy Campaneris
by eastcoasta'sfan on Apr 8, 2008 12:40 PM PDT reply actions
I'll panic, but only because it helps
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in the vein of WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE
There's is a freakin RED SOX ad powered by Google on the front of my OAKLAND A's blog.
CLockwerks!!!! EMERGENCY!!!!!
Bob Geren, on 8/2/07, on the success of Alan Embree as new interim closer: "What can I say,... he's been our Steady Tremendous Bullpen Man"
Polanco is back in?
He had a back strain the last few games
*thinks its from holding his noggin up*
Your 2008 East Bay Athletic Rivercats of the greater Fremont Area!
Duke to DL, Gaudin activated
Nothing about Harden.
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I've just arrived in Toronto to a bombshell
My first thought was that Slusser found a stripper in her room.
And what did we do once we discovered a rift in the fourth dimension? We launched a monkey into it. @('.')@
I didn't know Susan was a Super Delegate
There is an A in Whimsy.
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Apr 8, 2008 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions
My newfound Zen
For the first time ever, this year I actually convinced myself to not get excited about the prospect of a healthy Rich Harden. So I was totally nonplussed by this news, and weirdly, I'm somewhat optimistic that the Saturday start will happen (even though the "extended flight" explanation smacks of the front office trying to keep other GM's from panicking over injury history implications). But it really reinforces the idea that we need to take what we can get for Rich "Throwing Too" Harden.
Earlier, I said I'd take a Swisher-esque trade instead of one more along the lines of Haren's; now, I'll take a Scutaro-esque trade (and I'm only slightly joking). The A's have to realize some value out of all this.
Subscapularis strain
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
Sounds worse than it is...
but with Richard it's always worse than it sounds, so I am guessing that the subscapularis strain is exactly as bad as it sounds.
Big Papi Eats Big Boogers
Well, that begs the question:
How bad does it sound?
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
Very bad.
The subscapularis is one of the rotator cuff muscles, together with the teres minor, supraspinatus, infraspinatus. Combined with the biceps tendinitis, which is also involved in shoulder movement, most likely,
He gone.
ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524
Combined with the biceps tendinitis that was reportedly afflicting him,
ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524
If the A's are bringing up Greg Smith
who are they sending down or putting on the DL?
DJ trade maybe?
A's all the way in 08 . . . oh never mind!
Shoulder
According to the A's site, the problem is in the throwing shoulder and not Harden's back.
Not good.
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by Travis Buck Nuckin on Apr 8, 2008 6:40 PM PDT reply actions
which
PaulThomas already informed us of..
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by Travis Buck Nuckin on Apr 8, 2008 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, if my self-taught medical pseudo-Latin is not mistaken,
the subscapularis is below the scapula (shoulder blade)... so it's kind of a wash whether you call it the shoulder or the back. It's not one of the two injuries most frequently associated with the term "shoulder injury", though (rotator cuff and labrum).
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
I followed that mediLatin path, too...
But it's more a part of the shoulder ("geographically" and functionally) than the back.
"There is an HR in Hanrahan." ~ mikeA
Annnnnnnnnd I just read the game recap
and saw mikeA already posted the same Wiki link. Quite a while ago.
Sorry...
"There is an HR in Hanrahan." ~ mikeA
well
I wrote my above comment before posting that link in the other thread, and my above comment now seems wrong, so I think PT, SS, and I probably should apologize more than you.....
The A's colors are green and gold.
You all APOLOGIZE to Poppy ...
... and THINK about what you've done.
And what did we do once we discovered a rift in the fourth dimension? We launched a monkey into it. @('.')@
{adjusts pince-blez glasses}
And what did we do once we discovered a rift in the fourth dimension? We launched a monkey into it. @('.')@
It is one of the most frequently bad shoulder injuries
It helps hold the shoulder in place, during shoulder extension and flexion, such as when occurs when throwing a baseball.
It works in concert with the infraspinatus and the teres minor in holding the humeral head down, when the deltoids and supraspinatus work as a force couple.
When the subscapularis weakens, it allows the humeral head to upride, causing more friction against the AC (acromioclavicular) joint.
ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524
FWIW, rereading my post
I'm overreacting somewhat. While it is one of the rotator cuffs, an injury to the subscapularis is not generally as serious as an injury to the supraspinatus / teres minor / infraspinatus.
Those 3 are the external rotators, the subscapularis is an internal rotator. Generally injuring an external rotator is worse.
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here's some more fun info
http://www.massagetherapy.com/articles/index.php/article_id/812
Pertinent excerpts:
If the subscapularis strain is mild, a week or two of rest will often eliminate this injury. Unfortunately, most shoulder injuries undergo repeated tearing and poor scar tissue formation, so treatment is needed.
[Friction/Excercise] treatment will take anywhere from three weeks to three months depending on the severity and length of time the injury has been present.
When the adhesive scar tissue formation is too severe or when the injury is many years old, hands-on therapy may fail to be effective. In these cases, one or two corticosteroid injections performed by a very skilled physician are often effective within a week or two, but they should be followed by several weeks of rehabilitative exercise as described above. To counteract the weakening effect of corticosteroids, proliferant injections can be performed by a qualified physician to strengthen the tendon structure. The proliferant is a controlled irritant that strengthens the tendon and can also tighten an over-stretched tendon which may result from distended scar tissue or multiple dislocations.
Heh, from his article, he's prescribing
those isolated rotation exercises too. Pretty much every pitcher, from pros to high school does those already. It's debatable how effective isolated rotations are to athletes like pitchers, who use the rotators in complex compound movements.
"If the subscapularis strain is mild, a week or two of rest will often eliminate this injury."
The problem, really, is that Harden is a pitcher. Pitchers are so much more sensitive to shoulder injuries than other athletes. What is fine for say, the shoulder of a1b, a volleyball player, would not be true for the shoulder of a pitcher.
ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524
Wow
Believe me, there are LOTS of people who wanted to see this...Rich is a riot :)
just a matter of time. he's likely done for the year
now. and if not, does anyone really think he'll be around in June--healthy that is. What is the line on him having 20 major league starts this year?
Now he says he's "unlikely" for Saturday
I honestly don't understand why anyone even prints what Harden says anymore.
I'm to the point that I'm now half-hoping that the A's find a way to force him to pitch to the point that his shoulder is destroyed. At least that way he'll be useless to everyone.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
100% on re: dont print what he says
I could be going crazy, but I sword 24 hrs ago he was upset he didn't pitch yesterday, and that he couldn't control what they wanted him to do. Now he doesn't think he can pitch on Saturday.
I'm just ticked that I fell for it again.
"Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it?"-Steve McCatty
remind me never to date you, then break up with you
And what did we do once we discovered a rift in the fourth dimension? We launched a monkey into it. @('.')@
I told y'all I disliked Harden
I am kind of vindictive though... at least when it comes to sports.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
I've actually never liked him much myself, either
That smirk really bugs me.
And what did we do once we discovered a rift in the fourth dimension? We launched a monkey into it. @('.')@
Because otherwise you'd be all over him?
"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback
Even putting aside the issues of ethics and morality,
doing this would be self defeating.
Doing as you suggest would seriously damage the A's reputation; not just among pitchers, but also among GMs and team execs. No team is going to be willing to trade for A's pitchers for fear that the A's deliberately break them.
ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524
{raises ha-}
Ow! My subscapularis!
And what did we do once we discovered a rift in the fourth dimension? We launched a monkey into it. @('.')@
Couldn't even do us the solid...
... of staying healthy long enough for the Yankees to vastly overpay for his services.
Patience, Grasshopper ...
The A's are either going to be good or terrible with or without Harden this year. It's not like he affects whether the team is actually legit. This way we can see what we've got in our young pitchers. I say put Harden on the 60-day DL now and hope to bring him back for 4-6 starts before the trade deadline. It's not like we're missing him since we've never really had him in the first place, and his trade value will still be astronomical if he is healthy and and throwing peas for a month before the deadline. Or the A's will be in it and have a fresh Rich Harden for a critical part of the season, bolstering an already strong team.
4-6 starts?! You're forgetting we're talking about
Rich Harden here. The dude is good for 2 starts before pulling some muscle and going on the DL. Not sure what the market is for 2 solid starts, but I doubt the word to describe it would be "astronomical".
So raise your hand if you've never heard of the subscapularis muscle before today
Good job, James Richard. Your lifelong desire to teach A's fans human anatomy continues its impeccable record.
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by thejd44 on Apr 10, 2008 11:32 PM PDT reply actions
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