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Pitching Mechanics: Rich Harden

Over at Driveline Mechanics, I did an analysis of Rich Harden's pitching mechanics....

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via www.drivelinemechanics.com

Rich Harden brings serious heat and combines it with an outstanding changeup and quality breaking balls. The Pitch f/x tool says he throws a fastball (94 MPH), slider (85 MPH), and changeup (86 MPH). I am inclined to believe that, however, I have seen him mix in a split-finger fastball as well that comes in around 81-82.

(I’d like to apologize for the poor quality of the animated images in this post. However, I am constrained by the quality of the video I can find online, which isn’t great.)

Let’s break down his mechanics - first up is Arm Action and Tempo:

I paused the animation for 1 second in three frames, accompanied by highlights. Watch the video closely - you can see he breaks his hands with his arms (not with bent elbows, in other words), and takes the ball straight down, back, and up with the palm facing down. I prefer the palm facing up, however, the pendulum swing arm action is good. However, Harden could be a bit quicker into footplant, which I think would help take the strain off his shoulder.

Much ado about nothing is made of his wrist positioning. Yes, he bends his wrist upwards, but Harden’s injuries are most frequent and dangerous in his shoulder. He does have a UCL sprain in his closet, which makes him a higher risk for Tommy John surgery, but there is no evidence that shows a flexed upwards wrist will increase load on his elbow or shoulder. Regardless, Harden gets the ball up and does not show it to center field, instead showing it to third base, which is great. Showing the ball to center field / second base causes extra stress on the elbow during the throwing phase. Here’s a still image of what many healthy and long-lasting pitchers look like at footstrike:

Harden’s arm is at the ready position at footstrike, showing no signs of a delayed arm. His elbow is also below the level of his shoulders, avoiding possible impingement/hyperabduction problems:

Ball Release / Followthrough

More good stuff. Harden finishes aggressively, his pitching arm side (PAS) leg moves towards home plate and around his body, and he points his acromial line towards home plate and doesn’t stop the rotation of his shoulders. I prefer that pitchers “sprint” off the mound, using that tempo to keep the weight going foward at the plate, and a good cue to help in this is to tell pitchers to point their PAS shoulder at the plate through release.

Improvements and Final Thoughts

Harden could do a bit better job throwing against a firm front side by “slapping” his chest with his glove and tucking his elbow into his ribcage, which would be a more efficient use of his decelerator muscles, but that’s not really a huge issue. I’d prefer to see faster tempo, but I doubt that is the root cause of his shoulder problems. Like other analysts, I can’t point out the reason why he lands on the disabled list so often. Pitching is a violent act, and many people theorize that the harder you throw, it becomes exponentially more likely you are to end up with injuries no matter how strong or physically fit you are. I agree to a point, but it’s also possible that some people are not genetically wired to handle the unbelievable stresses of throwing a baseball 90+ MPH. I hate to question Harden’s conditioning, but if you forced me to make a guess, I’d say that he has a strong genetic profile in determining his white/red fibrous muscle tissue, giving him extremely powerful anaerobic abilities, but he may not be properly strengthening the endurance muscles, leading to quicker fatigue and possible injury problems.

I wish the best for Rich Harden, as he is simply dominant when he takes the mound. Time will tell.

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Awesome stuff.

The more I read about mechanics, the more I realize I don't know about them.

Pitcher's mechanics is quickly becoming my favorite baseball related research topic.

by mikev on Apr 7, 2008 8:03 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks.

Pitching mechanics are quite interesting, are they not? It's the new frontier for observational analysts, Moneyball-style, if you ask me.

http://www.drivelinemechanics.com - An unconventional look at baseball video analysis.

by Driveline Mechanics on Apr 7, 2008 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They really are.

I think I first started getting into watching pitching mechanics when I saw the really good breakdown of Rich Harden's mechanics that Carlos Gomez wrote for The Hardball Times.

I think that was the first time I started noticing the difference in a pitcher whose elbow picks up the ball as opposed to Harden's hand/ball pick up the elbow.

by mikev on Apr 7, 2008 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Elbow picks up the ball."

That's a doctrine of the Paul Nyman / SETPRO guys. I disagree with that line of thinking, since I believe "elbowy" arm actions lead to UCL damage. Simply using common sense would tell you that an arm action described as "elbowy" would probably be bad.

Of course, if it weren't for Carlos Gomez, I wouldn't be doing this. I respect his opinion (he's a scout, and I'm not), but I respectfully disagree.

http://www.drivelinemechanics.com - An unconventional look at baseball video analysis.

by Driveline Mechanics on Apr 7, 2008 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Granted, Harden probably isn't the ideal poster boy for speaking out AGAINST elbowy mechanics...

From what I can tell, the elbow picking up the ball is what leads to "scalp loading", and that's where the real possibility for damage comes from?

by mikev on Apr 7, 2008 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Scap loading."

Scapular loading is the process where the pitcher takes his arms behind his back and "pinches" his shoulder blades using the scapular muscles. This doesn't really work as described, but that's how it's commonly understood. When the elbows are above the shoulders during this process, pitchers are at strong risk for shoulder impingement injuries. However, some pitchers do it safely and naturally, like Greg Maddux. I do not encourage focusing on the process of scap loading; it happens naturally in good deliveries.

http://www.drivelinemechanics.com - An unconventional look at baseball video analysis.

by Driveline Mechanics on Apr 7, 2008 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

explosive

i remember beane on knbr a few years back saying that even if rich wasn't that tall...he makes it up with an explosive delivery....not as violent or jerky as a k-rod but even pitching guru bud black has this to say....

"He's blessed with tremendous arm speed," Black said. "He's got a quick hand through the release point. And he's got one of those bodies that has life to it. A lot of times that equates to a live arm."

by arch on Apr 7, 2008 9:25 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Arm speed.

Harden definitely has the ability to get his arm to high speeds; there is no doubt about that. Like I said, I think it might be a conditioning issue that prevents him from keeping it there.

http://www.drivelinemechanics.com - An unconventional look at baseball video analysis.

by Driveline Mechanics on Apr 7, 2008 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kyle, I'd love to read your opinion on Mike Marshall

and his unconventional take on pitching mechanics. Your advice on the pitching-side leg and moving toward the plate in the follow-through is reminiscent of what Marshall seems to emphasize. I'd also love your take on why no one has tried the Marshall method. Why doesn't a AAA or AAAA pitcher like Shane Komine give this a shot? What could he possibly have to lose WRT a major-league career (which he clearly isn't going to have at this rate)?

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Apr 7, 2008 7:52 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Dr. Mike Marshall.

Over at my site, I talk a little more about what I think about various pitching coaches and analysts. Here's what I wrote about Marshall:

Marshall is an interesting pitching coach, and you may have seen his work on HBO Real Sports (aired in March 2008) or on various Yahoo! Sports links.

Dr. Marshall’s unorthodox body and arm motions combined with his rather arrogant and abrasive personality leave many to ignore what he has to say in the baseball world. This is a mistake. Dr. Marshall has done significant research on biomechanics and has the authority to speak on all things related to kinesiology, especially as it relates to baseball.

Your question concerning why stagnating AAA pitchers don't try out his mechanics is a good one, and one that I have heard often. Marshall's program is something beyond just learning how to throw using his body/arm actions; it is in fact a full 724 Day program to build up the strength and learn the mechanics, or at least that is what Dr. Marshall will have you believe. For obvious reasons, pitchers in the minors cannot take this much time off to train with wrist weights, iron balls, and study the unorthodox mechanics that Dr. Marshall teaches. Furthermore, Marshall does not want to compromise whatsoever, insisting that he is "right" and everyone else is "wrong." That may very well be true, but he will win no friends this way and no club will work with him as a result.

There are people out there who are teaching Marshall's techniques in a hybridized form, or are at least picking and choosing things that he teaches (I am one of those people). Many will not say that they are teaching what Marshall says because of the negative connotation that his name brings up in baseball circles. As a coach of high school players myself, I understand their concerns. I will say that I have worked with a pitching coach who has many successful stories of converting injured and otherwise discarded pitchers using a hybridized version of Marshall's training programs (and in fact, the coach himself went through Marshall's programs in Zephyr Hills, Florida) and some of his guys are in the minors climbing the ladder to the MLB. Of course, I highly doubt Marshall approves of this, and has publicly denounced people like Chris O'Leary who seek to integrate his work in his pitching analysis. I have no doubt I will be similarly scorned by him, and already have been chastised by his followers.

Sorry for the long-winded answer, but it is a complex question that bears a difficult answer.

http://www.drivelinemechanics.com - An unconventional look at baseball video analysis.

by Driveline Mechanics on Apr 7, 2008 11:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great info, thanks

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by mikeA on Apr 7, 2008 11:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I watched his (very detailed) online videos and was impressed

with his thorough knowledge. It's unfortunate that this "nutty professor" is not taken more seriously. I'm glad that you do.

by OaklandSi on Apr 8, 2008 8:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you.

I take him seriously, but I also can understand why many people do not. Since you are an Oakland fan, you probably have read Moneyball, and as such, you can probably also draw an analogy between how it took so long for front offices to accept evidence-based research when it came to mathematics. It will take just as long to accept evidence-based scouting, if not longer.

http://www.drivelinemechanics.com - An unconventional look at baseball video analysis.

by Driveline Mechanics on Apr 8, 2008 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

good point

by the way, just reading again your post about scapular loading:

Harden's latest injury is reported to be a subscapularea (sp?) strain..

by OaklandSi on Apr 8, 2008 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks, that seems like a very fair evaluation of Marshall

I didn't realize how rigid he is about his entire, 2-year training regimen, though he clearly is incredibly stubborn. One thing that I've been wondering about lately is the comparison between the pitching motion and the motion used by bowlers in cricket, in particular fast bowlers. One of the things I see on your site, and one of the things Marshall discusses in some of the videos I've seen on his, is the emphasis on moving the body toward the target, which is pretty obvious in cricket, and on the follow-through with the pitching-arm side leg, which you also see in cricket. I wouldn't be surprised if the arm pronation is there, too, although bowling is way less "elbowy" than pitching.

This youtube video has some reasonably useful footage of great bowlers (well, i assume they're great, I don't know enough cricket to know who most of these guys are). Cricket isn't baseball, but the human body is the human body and if the cricket bowling motion is better for long-term arm health, someone ought to figure out why and the degree to which it could be applicable to pitching.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Apr 8, 2008 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cricket bowling HAS to be less elbowy than pitching

You're not allowed to use your elbow at all. The ball has to be thrown with a straight arm.

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by PaulThomas on Apr 9, 2008 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's why I said it's "way less elbowy" than pitching

I imagine that a bowler can put strain on his elbow, especially spin bowlers who do need to use wrist action to put spin on the ball. Here's the wikipedia description of the elbow in bowling:

Bowling the ball is distinguished from simply throwing the ball by a strictly specified biomechanical definition.
Originally, this definition said that the elbow joint must not straighten out during the bowling action. Bowlers generally hold their elbows fully extended and rotate the arm vertically about the shoulder joint to impart velocity to the ball, releasing it near the top of the arc. Flexion at the elbow was allowed, but any extension of the elbow was deemed to be a throw and would be liable to be called a no ball. This was thought to be possible only if the bowler's elbow was originally held in a slightly flexed position.
In 2005, this definition was deemed to be physically impossible by a scientific investigative commission. Biomechanical studies that showed that almost all bowlers extend their elbows somewhat throughout the bowling action, because the stress of swinging the arm around hyperextends the elbow joint. A guideline was introduced to allow extensions or hyperextensions of angles up to 15 degrees before deeming the ball illegally thrown.
(emphasis added)

Obviously, even if you leave aside the mechanical differences, pitching one over at a time is also completely different from pitching a full baseball inning, but I still wonder what bowlers do to keep their arms in shape, whether they suffer injuries regularly, etc.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Apr 9, 2008 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Very interesting analysis

Thank you, Driveline Mechanics!

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by One won lost won on Apr 8, 2008 8:50 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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