Minor League Opening Day (Wrap) - A's 1, Rest of the League 2
Day 1 of the Minor League season came and went last night. Here are the results from the action:
Tacoma 2 - Sacramento 0
Greg Smith was the tough-luck loser for the Cats as he pitched 6-innings of 2-run ball with 4 K's and one walk. The Cats offense just didn't give Smith any support against Ryan Feierabendm, mustering just three walks and five hits.
The Good News: Landon Powell had one of those hits and one of those walks and played the entire game at catcher! Looks like he's pretty much recovered from his second torn ACL.
Midland 3 - Little Rock 2
Amidst the tornadoes in Central Arkansas, the Midland Rockhounds pulled out a rain-shortened Opening Night victory. Mike Madsen pitched 6 strong innings of 2-run ball and the offense was able to string together some encouraging rallies on consecutive singles and doubles to put enough runs on the board in the 1st, 2nd and 5th innings to hold off the Travelers.
Modesto 3 - Stockton 2
Playing against Oakland's former High-A affiliate, the Ports weren't able to back a very strong performance from Fautino de los Santos. DLS threw 6 innings, gave up 5 hits, 2 runs and struck out 6 while walking only one. The Ports' offense fell short, unable to capitalize on five walks issued by the Nuts. Henry Rodriguez will look to avenge the loss tonight at 7:05pm.
Kane County vs. Beloit (cancelled due to rain)
Kance County's opener will be pushed back to at least this evening due to rain. To make up for the canceled game, the two teams will play a double-header on Saturday, consisting of two 7-inning games.
So, although the organization as a whole dropped two out of three Opening Night games, you have to be encouraged by the system so far. All three starters for the A's affiliates threw quality starts and the bullpens protected leads. There's no doubt that this year will be the season of dominant pitching in the A's system.
Minor League Preview
Looking to reverse the trends begun by a 2007 season that saw the A's minor league affiliates largely struggle all year en-route to a cumulative record of 340-351, Billy Beane went on a trading rampage, swapping four MLB veterans for 13 largely unproven prospects that have totally reworked the complexion of the A's farm system. Rather than invest too heavily in high-upside, high-risk sub-AA talent or settle for limited-potential, close-to-the-majors finished products, Beane did a masterful job acquiring a wide-range of talented prospects at different stages of development. This strategy will likely diffuse the risk and attrition-factor inherent with player development and will also probably improve the on-field play of several A's affiliates simultaneously, which is good news for us, the fans!
The A's minor league season officially kicks off tonight with this refurbished collection of talent now ranked as one of the best in the majors. In case that isn't enough to get you jazzed about this minor league season and/or the future of the A's organization, here are five reasons to check out a game this year in Vancouver, Geneva, Stockton, Midland and/or Sacramento:
The Stockton Ports Pitching Staff
If you can only see one A's affiliate play this season, make sure it's the Stockton Ports. The future of the Oakland Athletics franchise will be on full display at the beginning of this season in the form of Stockton's pitching staff, which some observers believe could be the most talented staff in the entire minor leagues. The two best arms picked up in the Haren and Swisher trades (Fautino de los Santos and Brett Anderson) will combine with the best arms originally drafted/signed by the A's (Trevor Cahill, Henry Rodgriguez and Arnold Leon) to front the Ports' staff.
The rotation will feature a perfect mix of contrasting styles and strengths for your viewing pleasure: the precision and poise of lefty Anderson, the prototypical power repertoire of de los Santos, the dipping and diving action of Cahill's sinker and knuckle-curve, the no-holds-barred 100mph heat of Rodriguez and the command and control of Leon. It will truly be a spectacle to behold, but the strength of the staff won't end with the starters. The bullpen will likely be able to secure many victories for the 1 to 5 guys, as it will feature talented righties Jared Lansford (finally fully healed after last season's injury debacles), Jason Fernandez (2.77 ERA, 1.16 WHiP last season for Kane County), flame-throwing ex-college closers Andrew Carignan and Sam Demel and two lefties with good stuff and experience in James Heuser and Derrick Gordon. Throw in a potent offense led by 5-tool talent Jermaine Mitchell (CF) and big-time slugger Chris Carter (1B/DH) and you're talking about one hell of a minor league team...at least for the first half of the season.
I'll be catching the Ports Monday April 28th in Rancho Cucamonga and I suggest any other Californians to catch a game with these guys sooner rather than later, since many of them will probably move to the Texas League before you can say "Banner Island Ballpark".
Triumph of Scouting over Stats
When I first saw that the A's picked up Greg Smith and Aaron Cunningham (amongst others) for Dan Haren, I ran to "thebaseballcube.com", checked out their stats and thought, "Why these two?" It's not their stats weren't good, it's just that they weren't great and all the initial reports I read about these guys implied that Smith's "stuff" wasn't that good and Cunningham's "tools" weren't off-the-charts. For instance, this is what Baseball America had to say about Cunningham:
"While Cunningham does everything well, he doesn't do anything exceptionally, leading to questions about whether he'll end up as a tweener. He has a long swing and better pitchers have been able to get inside on him."
But then I started reading direct quotes from A's officials, like baseball operations guru Farhan Zaidi, who praised both Cunningham & Smith as guys who play above their abilities and have outstanding makeup, poise and leadership abilities:
Zaidi on Cunningham: "One of the comparisons that our scouts made who saw [Cunningham] during the year and saw him at the Fall League, where he performed pretty well, was Aaron Rowand...He’s a guy who does just a little bit of everything and he has off-the-charts intangibles, and that is how we see Cunningham."
Zaidi on Smith: "This is a guy who we believe has the secondary pitches and the command and more than anything else, just the competitiveness and the moxie to be successful. Our scouts have said, to a man, that this is a guy who pitches above his stuff."
When was the last time competitiveness and moxie were used to measure the value of a young A's player? For an organization that often gets (unfairly) labeled as overly-obsessed with tangible statistical analysis, and often disregards scouting opinions of players, it's nice to see the A's take a chance on two guys who probably offer more in terms of intangibles than tools or stats. So far, the results have been very positive, as Smith nearly carved his way onto the 25-man roster with a strong Spring Training while Cunningham was impressing before going down with a broken wrist. Aaron's injury is concerning, but he's young enough to bounce back for Double-A in the second half of this season while Smith will likely tear-up the PCL this season en-route to a mid-season call-up. Both of these guys will be great stories for the A's throughout the season and will probably "moxie" themselves onto the major league roster sometime in the next calendar year.
The Return of Speed
It's been a long while since the A's have had a bona fide speedster tearing through the minor leagues. Esteban German burst onto the scenes in 2000 and stole over 80 bases in his 3rd year in the organization. He went on to snatch over 40 in 2001, but faded over the next few years before getting released from the organization. Then Freddie Bynum came on in 2002 to steal 41 bases for Visalia. But neither of those guys made a major impact at the major league level, and since 2002, no A's minor leaguer has really come close to the 40-stolen base mark.
That will undoubtedly change this season. Three guys in the organization have a realistic chance of getting to that mark this year, beginning in the low minors with OFer Adam Klein, who stole a remarkable 33 bases in only 45 games last season for the rookie league team. Klein should see time with Vancouver this season. In Kane County, shortstop Michael Richard probably has the best chance of eclipsing the 40 SB barrier, since he stole 25 bases (to go along with a .400 OBP) in short season Vancouver last year and is now moving to a full-season affiliate. In Midland, minor league free-agent signee and Hayward-native Archie Gilbert also has a very good chance of swapping over 40 bags, since he grabbed 35 bags in each of the last two seasons in the White Sox chain.
I'll go on record and say that if these guys all stay relatively healthy, one of them WILL steal more than 40 bags this season and will be well on their way to stealing some major league bases sometime in the near future.
2007 Draftees
By most accounts, the A's had a solid draft all the way around last June. The organization's top pick, James Simmons, performed well after an aggressive, late-season assignment in Midland, where he pitched in 13 games and put up solid numbers (3.94 ERA, 23/8 K-BB ratio in 29 innings). He followed that up with a strong AFL performance and a few token appearances at big league Spring Training where he distinguished himself as a very mature pitcher for his age. He's well on his way to becoming a reliable, back-of-the-rotation innings eater...Blanton-lite if you will. He'll be back at Midland to start 2007 and could be up with the big club to stay by this time next year.
The aforementioned relievers Carignan and Demel have drawn raves for their arm strength and stuff and could move quickly through the system due to their collegiate polish. The collegiate pitching trio of Scott Hodsdon, Travis Banwart and Brad Hertzler (him of the 5-inning, rain shortened complete game last year) will all start the year in Kane County's rotation and figure to also move quickly through the system if they can continue last season's successes.
On the offensive side of the ledger, the A's 2007 draft was equally as fruitful as the pitching side. In the first few rounds, the A's grabbed outfielders Corey Brown (.924 OPS at Vancouver last season) and Grant Desme in lower spots than they were projected, partly due to makeup concerns and injury issues, respectively. Both guys project as solid major leaguer regulars and could also move quickly. The A's also addressed the organization's need for middle infield depth and right-handed power presence by drafting shortstop Josh Horton in the 2nd round and corner infielder Danny Hamblin in the 11th. Horton is a lefty swinger with a fantastic batting eye (.419 OBP/ 36-34 BB-K ratio last season in Vancouver/Kane County) who has improved enough defensively over the winter to convince A's brass that he can stay at short long-term. Hamblin has long been on the A's radar and now that he has been brought into the organization's fold, he's produced, hitting 11 homers in only 68 games last season in Vancouver.
The 2007 draft's strong returns are a nice supplement to all of the other player transactions from this off-season that have filled out the A's farm system and it's certainly expected that several of these draftees will be in Oakland within a year or two, so catch them now while they're still young and hungry!
The Rivercats' Defense of Their 2007 Triple-A Championship
The 2008 Cats will be hard-pressed to recreate the magical run of last season's PCL and Triple-A champion Sacramento squad. Not only did several of the team's stars from last season graduate to the major leagues (Barton, Suzuki, Murphy), but so did their manager, Tony DeFrancesco, who is now the big league team's third base coach. To add insult to injury, the team lost clubhouse bedrocks Lou Merloni and Jeremy Brown to retirement over the winter.
But Cats fans should not fear. The off-season trades have brought fresh reinforcements to Raley Field, including lefty starters Gio Gonzalez (last year's minor league strikeout leader) and Greg Smith, who gets tonight's Opening Day nod against the Tacoma Rainiers, Seattle's Triple-A squad. In fact, the Sacramento pitching staff will be almost as stacked as Stockton's, featuring Gonzalez, Smith, PCL-dominators Dan Meyer and Dallas Braden, and Los Kirk Saarloos, backed in the bullpen by the likes of former first round pick Joey Devine in the closer's role and an assortment of set-up men who can just flat out get the job done - Jerry Blevins, Jeff Gray, Brad Kilby, "Internet Superstar" Brad Zeigler and vets Troy Cate and Ryan Wing.
The offense will feature some potent sticks for the first time in years, as CarGo will highlight the lineup, surrounded by a fully rehabbed Landon Powell ready to bust out in a big way, the raw power of Richie Robnett and Brooks Conrad, the rapidly-improving contact-oriented bat of Gregorio Petit and the steady right-handed presence of Wes Bankston and Jeff Baisley at the corner infield spots.
Suffice it to say that another big playoff push is expected in Sacramento this year, with or without the Gonzalez's, who might be in Oakland before long...
Opening Night Schedule
Sacramento @ Tacoma - 7:00pm
Midland @ Arkansas - Rockhounds up 3-2 in top of the7th
Stockton vs. Modesto - 7:05pm
Kane County vs. Beloit - currently on rain delay
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by LoveDemAs on Apr 3, 2008 7:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Good stuff as always, Taj
I am more pumped for this year's minor league season than any I remember. I will be in Stockton on Saturday for the game.
by BlameChannel53 on Apr 3, 2008 8:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't agree at all with the stats. vs. scouts section
Cunningham's stats are way better than the scouting consensus of his potential (and if the A's scouts like him better than other scouts why should we care?) That seems like a stats pickup if anything. Smith was the 6th guy in that trade, so it's hard to read all that much into it. He's a great guy to have for a 6th-best-player-in-a-trade, but I don't see much "stats vs. scouts" issue at all for him. Both indicate that he has great command, but mediocre stuff... His stat profile also seems superior to his scouting profile.
And for crying out loud, Farhan was hired over many competitors as a stat guy. His comments about supposed moxie do not interest me in the slightest.
I think Farhan spun you a bit....
Last, none of those guys in the "return of speed" section will ever play for the A's.
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by mikeA on Apr 3, 2008 8:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well...
The knock on Cunningham is that his stats profile best as a center fielder, but his "tools" and defensive skills profile best as a corner outfielder. Evidently, the A's scouts have observed enough with their own eyes to believe that while Cunningham's skills aren't the best fit for center field, he has the aptitude, intelligence and work-ethic to learn how to play their full time , which certainly isn't a conclusion based on stats but rather good old fashioned, due-diligence observation and hopeful projection, which are usually the tools of the scouting trade.
Smith's makeup, mound presence and maturity have been pointed out by several people inside the organization as major reasons the A's wanted him included in the deal...here again, those are things that the stats just won't tell you, however you choose to read them.
As for Farhan's comments not interesting you, I can't see why you feel that way. Sure, he's primarily a numbers crunchers, but he's also close to the top of the organizational food chain and so he has constant interaction with the top-level decision makers AND the lower-level scouts, which is an important enough level of access to conclude that he probably knows what he's talking about, regarding any topic involving the A's system, stats-oriented or not.
As for the speed burners section, it's probably safe to assume that Adam Klein - being a 24-year old, 48th-round draftee still puttering around in the Rookie League - will never make a major league impact. But I wouldn't be so quick to write off the other two guys. Richard is a very talented athlete who has shown a proclivity for getting on-base at every level he's played at, and once on-base, being able to steal bases consistently and successfully. If he can ratcher up his infield defense and/or make a successful transition to center field, he could be a decent 5th outfielder/AAAA-type and ditto Archie Gilbert, who, although always old for his leagues, has nevertheless posted .800+ OPSes at every place he's gotten regular at-bats and can play all three outfield positions and hits right-handed - always a need for the A's at the big league level.
by Taj Adib on Apr 3, 2008 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm optimistic about Cunningham
because it seems he can really hit. It seems to me that the A's scouts (and all scouts) think that maybe he can handle CF, and the knock on him is that he probably can't handle CF and his offense, while promising, is not that promising for a corner OF, which is hard to argue with. I don't see any reason why we should think that the A's scouts at the time of the trade have a better read on his CF potential than the overall scouting wisdom. And I really don't think that intelligence/work ethic etc. can make up for lack of natural aptitude when it comes to playing CF. I really have no idea if he can handle CF, but I would trust the opinion of the (relatively neutral) scouting consensus over what anyone in the A's org. says. And I would bet a lot of money that the A's acquired him (mostly) because of his excellent hitting potential, and that they figured they had one CF between he and Gonzalez.
I've loved the two Farhan interviews that we've seen, and I think he's a great source because he's involved in all the decisions, but doesn't have to play the media/politics game much as Beane does and so is more forthcoming. His last interview was a fabulous insight into the actual thought process of the organization. But in these interviews he's clearly still just talking up the team, even if it's in a more plausible fashion than Beane or Geren would. Of course he knows what the A's scouts are saying, but I don't see any reason to trust the A's scouts more than various professional scouting reports on the internet.
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by mikeA on Apr 3, 2008 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you have links to those Farhan interviews?
by Tyler Bleszinski on Apr 4, 2008 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
http://www.scout.com/search.aspx?siteSearch=Scout.com&q=farhan+zaidi&x=0&y=0&s=143
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by mikeA on Apr 4, 2008 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cunningham's stats
Age 19, 2005: 838 OPS in rookie ball, relative to a league average of 734, in 255 PA. Also a 322 OPS in 29 PAs at A.
Age 20, 2006: 882 OPS in the Sally, at A, relative to a league average of 707., in 402 PA.
Age 21, 2007: 852 OPS in the CAR, at A+, league average of 732, in 306 PA. Traded to the DBacks, 939 OPS in the CAL, at A+, league average of of 770, in 13 PA.
Age 21 2007: 898 OPS in the Southern at AA, league average 726, in 132 PA.
HIs untranslated EQA, ie only adjusted for park and league average, in the CAR, was 289. In the CAL, 300. In the Southern, 295. 260 is average.
For comparison, Brandon Jones of the Braves was also in the Southern in 2007. Granted Jones played much more, 415 PAs. Jones had a 875 OPS, EQA of 303. Jones is also 2 years older.
I do not see how Cunningham's stats leads to the conclusion that he profiles him as a CF.
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by rfloh on Apr 4, 2008 2:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You sir are Made of Awsome
Great read, the only thing keeping me going this season is our minor league teams.
by AthleticsReign on Apr 3, 2008 8:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
ports
i plan to go to many ports games this year. thanks again for this taj
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by flipgatey3 on Apr 3, 2008 9:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
De Los Santos pitched tonight.
6IP 5H 2ER 1BB 6K
When will then be now? Soon.
by Syphon on Apr 3, 2008 10:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice start
in both senses of the term.
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by PaulThomas on Apr 3, 2008 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So much pitching...
this is really an exciting time. I didn't think I would get sucked into becoming a "prospect hound" when I joined this site, but it's hard not to get excited by all this talent.
Midland's staff is no joke either-- the headliner is Simmons, of course, but Andrew Bailey led the A's org in strikeouts last year and gets comparisons with Curt Schilling. Mike Madsen made the All-Star Futures game last year for his exceptional work in AA, but ended up back at the level because of the AAA roster crunch. Vince Mazzaro hasn't wowed anyone, but his pitching last year was better than it looked in the ridiculous California League and he's pitching in AA at age 21, so he's got something going for him. And injured major league vets Jason Windsor, Shane Komine and Jose Garcia could all potentially end up back there with the roster crunch.
I mean, wow. I know there's no such thing as a pitching prospect, but it will be hard for the A's NOT to develop a hugely talented pitching staff out of the talent that they have right now in the minors-- and that's not even counting the guys currently on the MLB staff!
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by PaulThomas on Apr 3, 2008 11:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Im a minor league guy.
I love watching them come up and do well. And become part of the team. I think we have atleast 2 really good pitchers in the minors. DLS/Cahill are gonna be good. If we luck HRod pans out and Gio should be a good #2-3 guy. Pitching future is really bright.
I would love to see the next Chavez/Tejada come outta out system but I dont see it yet. Gonzalez and Cunningham are nice, and Christ Carter could be very nice as well. But if we make any trades this year it better be for IF prospects. And hopefully right handed.
When will then be now? Soon.
by Syphon on Apr 3, 2008 11:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure what you mean by "the next Chavez/Tejada"
but Petit could have a Vizquel-like career if everything goes right...
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by PaulThomas on Apr 4, 2008 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I ment the next IF
to hit 280/30hr/100rbi
When will then be now? Soon.
by Syphon on Apr 4, 2008 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would...
Mid Season, would the Angels want Rich Harden for Brandon Wood?
by Colorado Fan on Apr 4, 2008 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im not sure..
I want Brandon Wood at this point. I wouldnt make that trade.
When will then be now? Soon.
by Syphon on Apr 4, 2008 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, OK
Yes. You will be disappointed on that front. None of the current A's infield prospects have that kind of hitting ability. Of course, the guys that do are pretty much exclusively super-high picks in the draft, which the A's haven't had since they... drafted Chavez.
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by PaulThomas on Apr 4, 2008 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah that player..
isnt in our system yet. But Harden/Street/Blanton could produce similar prospects. I hope in out draft this year we target some bats.
When will then be now? Soon.
by Syphon on Apr 4, 2008 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually since they drafted Mulder
But I know what you mean.
by Faust on Apr 4, 2008 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know it!
I think that it's probably safe to assume that Beane's strategy is just to acquire as much premium young pitching prospects he can find, putting together the best possible major league staff in two-three years and then using any extra pieces to trade for any bats he might need to field a competitive offense. That's certainly what's worked for most all recent small-market teams, and worked for the A's in the recent past. So far, I think the strategy is working pretty well...
by Taj Adib on Apr 4, 2008 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Richie Robnett
What is Richie Robnett doing in Stockton? Does any body know why he is not in AAA?
by sinned on Apr 4, 2008 8:10 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Very Interesting
He must be on a rehab-stint or something or might just be one those cases where Stockton needed an extra outfielder so Richie drew the short stick and made the drive down I-5. I can't imagine that Richie has been assigned to Stockton outright...
by Taj Adib on Apr 4, 2008 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The rosters are a little weird right now
Or so it seems to me, anyway. Why would they bring up a catcher who sucked in Rookie ball in 2007 all the way to AAA, then put him on the DL?
There seems to be a bit of an outfielder shortage right now. Most of the affiliates only have 4 guys listed as outfielders.
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by PaulThomas on Apr 4, 2008 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just got word...
Robnett will be in Stockton for a few days to pick up at-bats since he was "banged up" a bit after Spring Training. He'll be back at Sacramento next week for their home opener.
by Taj Adib on Apr 4, 2008 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
More Word
Robnett is having Stomach Surgery?
by Colorado Fan on Apr 4, 2008 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope this becomes a daily post
Because it rules. Thank you.
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by sprtsnwyn on Apr 4, 2008 9:51 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
As per expected
It looks like the pitching is ahead of the hitting right now.
by DiegoAsFan on Apr 4, 2008 10:02 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This is an awesome post
Taj. I agree in that I'd love to see updates on how the minor league teams are doing pretty regularly. People are right in that it might be the only thing to keep A's fans optimistic this year.
by Tyler Bleszinski on Apr 4, 2008 10:31 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I would love to do semi-recurring updates on the minor league teams.
Let me know what you think would be best for the site, e.g. a recurring post on a specific day, every once in awhile or just when the big league team loses and people are looking for a distraction!
by Taj Adib on Apr 4, 2008 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Mondays?
We used to do Monday Mornings in the Minors with Brian Durack a few years ago. Although I have something scheduled to run at 8 a.m. this Monday morning. Maybe you can post it the night on Monday?
I'd love to have that a regular feature.
by Tyler Bleszinski on Apr 4, 2008 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, that sounds about right Blez.
I'll have to think of an equally cool, alliteration for the post like "Monday Morning Minors" or "Tidbits with Taj"...that will be the hard part!
by Taj Adib on Apr 4, 2008 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I trust you to be illiterative, Taj!
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by Nico on Apr 4, 2008 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So awesome to see Landon Powell back.
He's been my "dark horse" candidate to be a productive major leaguer. I was really excited when he was drafted.
Hopefully he can stay 100% healthy now, because I think with he and Suzuki we've got a pretty damn good catching tandem for the next handful of years.
by mikev on Apr 4, 2008 10:36 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You're absolutely right.
It would be awesome to finally get Powell fully healthy for an entire season and up to the majors by the end of it. He can just do so many things: play exceptional defense, hit with authority from both sides of the plate and hit for average. With Suzuki looking like at least a league-average and durable option for several years, the A's can afford to ease Powell into the rotation. He'd be a great bench-asset for the big-league club...if he can stay off the DL.
by Taj Adib on Apr 4, 2008 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but I think he *could be* too good to be a backup.
It would sure be a nice problem to have, though.
by mikev on Apr 4, 2008 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably true...
but hes' proven that with his bigger body he probably won't be able to handle a full-time, full-season gig as a catcher. Thus necessitating the need to keep him in a reserve role.
by Taj Adib on Apr 4, 2008 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would be like having a rule
of only giving Rich Harden starts after July 1.
No team would do something like that. Why would you voluntarily make your team worse?
The odds of him getting injured in one game are pretty much the same as the odds of him getting injured in the next. You might as well get as many starts as you can out of him.
It's a little more tricky if he's in play as a potential DH, but I can't see that happening with the current roster anyway.
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by PaulThomas on Apr 4, 2008 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could see him get some time at DH if Cust regresses
Essentially becoming the Mike Sweeney of the team next season, only able to back up at Catcher as well as 1B/DH
by mikev on Apr 4, 2008 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like Piazza, only he can actually catch
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by Nico on Apr 4, 2008 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, what I'm saying is....
the same thing as Rich Harden having "pitch counts" early this season. Sure, run Powell out there whenever he feels right, but certainly limit him early on since he hasn't played a full season in years. Once he proves he can stay healthy for an entire year then let him loose. But to say right now, "Hey man, you're going to be catching every day for the next six months on your twice-surgically repaired ACL tendon, so get ready!" would kind of be an irresponsible way of handling the player. I think the prudent way of dealing with him at this point is to handle him with kid gloves.
And no, I don't think the chances of him getting injured in one game is pretty much the same as the next since the context of each game is what really matters. For instance, I would bet that his knee would be under a large degree of danger if he were to catch 9 innings each game on three consecutive days rather than catching one day, then DH-ing the next and then maybe coming in as a defensive sub late in the third game.
by Taj Adib on Apr 4, 2008 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's unlikely Powell will ever be
a regular catcher in the bigs - it's just too demanding a position, even when you've always been healthy.
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by Nico on Apr 4, 2008 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, sure, when he's in the minors
This season is clearly a rehab year for Powell-- he needs to stay in shape for catching, stay in practice to play the position, and bring his bat to an MLB level. There's no real reason why that would require him playing catcher for Sacto more than 3 times a week, with the Kanoodler picking up the rest of the starts.
But in 2009-- assuming he's fully healthy, outhits Suzuki and claims the #1 spot on the depth chart? You might as well give him a normal starting catcher's role. I'm not a physician, so I really have no idea at all whether catching 3 games in a row is more than 3 times as stressful to someone's knee as catching a game every 3 days. For all I know, the regular work might make it LESS dangerous.
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by PaulThomas on Apr 4, 2008 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is a great post
But am I the only concerned that our minor league teams are a little too much like your big league team - all pitching, no hitting?
My first thought looking at those scores was it was a recap of this season's games.
Hopefully you guys who follow the minors can shed some light on our possible hitting stars....
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by oaklandfan40 on Apr 4, 2008 11:02 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You're right to point the similarity out.
Fortunately, the minor league teams will almost certainly follow in the typical Oakland A's tradition of heating up when the weather does. All of the hitters are coming back from a long off-season and probably haven't been working out as frequently as the pitchers (who are all on pre-fabricated off-season throwing programs...as far as I know, there are no off-season hitting programs). So the hitters are naturally a bit behind the curve. Just wait until a few weeks go by for the weather to warm up.
by Taj Adib on Apr 4, 2008 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Adding on, it's bothered me for a while
that the A's don't seem to draft/develop "mashers" the way some teams seem to be able to do. Look at the Brewers, with Fielder, Braun, Hart et al from their farm system - the A's just don't seem to find those guys in the draft.
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by Nico on Apr 4, 2008 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There was a guy in the same year as Fielder
what put up 35 HR not so long ago...
What was his name again...
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by PaulThomas on Apr 4, 2008 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was it
Nick Not-In-Fielder's-League-As-A-Hitter?
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by Nico on Apr 4, 2008 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amusingly, as I typed this
Fielder banged a double off the top of the wall. Then again, just before that Jason Kendall doubled to raise his average to .500 (6/12), so...
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by Nico on Apr 4, 2008 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, if you're comparing him to Corey Hart...
Not to mention the fact that as a PLAYER, Swisher is not just equivalent to Fielder but, in fact, his superior.
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by PaulThomas on Apr 4, 2008 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You wouldn't trade Swisher for Fielder straight up?
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by Nico on Apr 4, 2008 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a tough question because Fielder is younger
I don't think he's likely to get a lot better than he is now, but he might hold up longer. OTOH, Swisher is likely to be making less money than Fielder will soon, if Howard's arbitration number is anything to go on. I think it would really depend on the situation. Can you make Fielder a DH? How much money is in your payroll? Who's in your minor league system? Etc.
If I had to play Fielder at first base, I'm pretty sure I'd take Swisher. I don't believe Fielder will consistently hit well enough to make up the huge gap between the two as fielders.
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by PaulThomas on Apr 4, 2008 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess I'm just more bearish on Swisher
I appreciated his contributions to the A's, but I don't think he's either a CFer or a .270 hitter - nor am I convinced that he's a consistent 30+ HR guy, though his new park will help. So to me, he's a corner OFer, .250/.360, 25 HR hitter. Your basic B+ player.
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by Nico on Apr 4, 2008 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fielder has to be 20-25 runs better as a hitter than Swisher
to make the two of them an even proposition. That's a ginormous difference.
Fielder is actually a hidden B+ player himself. It's hidden by his giant HR totals, but he's a serious defensive liability who hasn't (yet) established himself as a hitter of the caliber of, say, Miguel Cabrera.
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by PaulThomas on Apr 5, 2008 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Though he's one of the few who has
established himself to be of equal girth.
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by Nico on Apr 6, 2008 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nico, about those "mashers"
Braun - 5th overall pick
LaPorta - 7th overall pick
Fielder - 7th overall pick
Hart - hit 24 HRs at age 25 after a decent but not great minor league career, doesn't really belong on this list.
The first three guys are completely irrelevant to the A's ability "to find those guys in the draft" - the A's don't draft where those guys were found; it's not as if the A's took a pass on any of them. And Hart is a good player, but he hasn't yet proven that he's a "masher".
I agree with you in that I, too, would certainly love to see the A's get some mashers. But they're scarce, and I don't think your specific comparison here amounts to a valid criticism of the A's. Note also that the Brewers are atypical - they seem to specifically target the "masher" type (which almost implies defensive limitations) more than most teams, and with no DH in their league they are already struggling to fit the Fielder/Braun/LaPorta trio into their future lineup somehow. Fun core, though; you can imagine complimenting them with a group of good-fielding, moderate-hitting up the middle guys and coming out well ahead of the game on balance.
It's not easy to find exciting power hitters! Drafting where the A's have, they're pretty much forced to take an indirect route - trade for raw power (Chris Carter), eyeballing the scrap heap (Cust), or going with their organizational approach of targetting good hitters who they feel have a good chance to develop power (Barton, Doolittle, Buck... Giambi). I guess it remains to be seen how well this last approach works with players who aren't getting chemical help.
by Faust on Apr 5, 2008 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Point well taken -
I probably thought of the Brew Crew mashers because I was watching the Giants-Brewers game when I typed that!
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by Nico on Apr 5, 2008 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or go for guys with potential makeup issues
like Robnett and Corey Brown.
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by PaulThomas on Apr 5, 2008 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or Kelli or Shari -
O. Mi. GOD!
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by Nico on Apr 6, 2008 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Weekend Update
A few interesting notes from Fridays games:
Dallas Braden and Arnold Leon pitching in Middle relief for Sacramento and Stockton respectively. Looks like Lansford is getting the first shot at the 5th starter spot in Stockton.
4-4 and a double short of the cycle for Doolittle, and Sulentic hitting a homerun in that game as well.
Justin Sellers is a backup at Midland, anybody know what the deal is with Jesus Guzman?
by DiegoAsFan on Apr 5, 2008 5:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
A's minor leagues through Saturday:
93 innings, 92 strikeouts. This is great stuff. Andrew Bailey carried his success into AA, pitching six innings with 2 hits and 7 strikeouts in his first start.
(Hat tip to Ryan Armbrust)
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