Monday Midnight Minors Musings 2.0: Trip to the Ballpark
The Big Club wasn't the only Oakland-affiliated team romping on their Los Angeles/Anaheim counterparts Monday evening. On a gorgeous Southern California night the Single-A Stockton Ports butchered the host Rancho Cucamonga Quakes to the tune of 8-1. AN correspondent and faux minor league expert Taj Adib took in the game and came away impressed with several A's minor leaguers that could be up to the Show within a few seasons. Here's what he saw with his own eyes for once:
I got the short end of the stick and wasn't able to catch any of the games where any of the vaunted threesome of Cahill, de los Santos and Anderson started, so I had to settle for the "weak link" Jason Fernandez. Usually I'd be disappointed, but I kind of enjoyed seeing a lesser name pitch tonight. Fernandez wasn't spectacular, but he got the job done, throwing 7 innings of 1 run ball. He allowed 5 hits, struck-out four and surrendered two walks. Fernandez might be a decent middle reliever in time. He was throwing two kinds of a 89-91mph fastball (two-seamer that seems to come in on the hands of righties and four seemer that seems pretty straight-line down the middle). He's also got a nice, tight slider that he bored into lefties and induced a few weak groundalls. I saw only one 80-mph changeup from Jason and it kind of sailed high and tight on a righty so I assume it's a work-in-progress. Overall, he wasn't blowing anyone away, but he was able to get weakly hit balss when he needed them.
Offensively, the team got contribution's all over the lineup, amassing ten hits and getting RBI's from six different spots in the order. Little Archie Gilbert (below) is everything I thought he'd be (pint-sized but packing a whallop out of the leadoff spot).
One third of the heart of the order produced, as Chris Carter, a true hulk of a human being, went 2-for-4 with an RBI-single and a long double, both of which seemed to be off the end of his bat, but still struck with enormous velocity. (Carter launching his single below).
Josh Horton, batting in the second spot in the order, didn't impress me much either with the bat or in the field. He has a great batting eye as his OBP's from yesteryear and college imply, but he seemed to work a great count and not be able to capitalize on the hittable pitches. He completely missed a batting practice 2-1 fastball down the middle and ended up striking out late in the game. He could be Cliff Pennington redux, without the sterling defense, as he's really too lumbering of a guy to stick at short long-term.
Sean Doolittle, my new favorite A's prospect, also didn't impress much at the plate tonight, but with the way he's been mashing the ball up to this point, I'd chalk his o-fer tonight up to the baseball gods. Even without the bat Sean contributed to the victory though, as his first-base glove was even better than advertised. Early in the game he ranged into foul territory and the early-evening shadows to pull down a nice pop-up and throughout the game he contorted his right arm to sweep-up a variety of low and errant throws in the dirt. Later in the game he snagged a one-hopper heading down the line to his left, popped up from the ground, fired to second for the first out and even got back to the bag to back-up the pitcher for the second out at first. I've never seen a first baseman turn a DP so quickly, and even my baseball novice girlfriend took notice: peaking up from her magazine to say, "ooooh, that was pretty exciting."
Two other guys impressed me with their bats tonite. The first was Stockton-vet utilityman Mike Affronti, playing 2nd base tonight. Affronti had a nice first at-bat where he a got ahead of an off-speed pitch, but still managed to stay back enough to punch it opposite-field down the right-field line for a double. He also used his nice inside-out swing to pop a single into right-center field later in the game.
The other guy that impressed me was baby-faced Matt Sulentic. This guy looks like a freakin' little leaguer. He's about 5'8'' and really not very bulky at all. Even so, he's got a pristine swing, and he seemed to have a better plan at the plate than many guys 2-3 years his senior. In his first bat-bat during the Ports' 4-run 3rd-inning, he lined a perfectly-placed single opposite field through the gap between short and 3rd. Then in the 9th he did the exact opposite, turning on a high-inside fastball and launching it into the right-field forest-y area (Quakes Stadium doesn't have bleachers). I used to be a big doubter of Sulentic, but seeing his swing and his approach kind of changed my opinion of him. If he can add some bulk and stay adequate defensively, he might have a chance to make it the majors as a 4th or 5th OFer.
BULLPEN
The Ports' first reliever, Jason Glushon, took over in the 8th and kept runs off the board, but didn't really overpower or impress. He walked a guy and a got a couple of well-struck fly outs. His off-speed stuff seemed flat and his fastball wasn't overpowering in any way. (To make matters worse, it seemed like LA-native Glushon was more interested in getting the Lakers' score than watching the rest of the game he was pitching in, as he walked off the mound, put on his sweatshirt and perused around the bleachers asking if anybody knew the score.)
Arnold Leon pitched mop-up duty for the Ports in the 9th and definitely impressed. All of his stuff was down in the strikezone, with movement. He got two strikeouts in the frame and didn't allow a baserunner. I talked to the Ports' bus driver while Leon was pitching and he said that Arnold's definitely going back to Mexico by the end of May. He went on to say that the purpose of having Leon pitch for the Ports for these first two months of the season was purely logistical: the A's needed to get Leon a workable visa to ensure that he'd be able to stay in the country for good starting next season. So, once his contract with his Mexican league team is concluded, he'll be entirely A's property and will be able to go to stay in USA indefinitely.
TIDBITS:
- I talked to Sean Doolittle briefly after the game and he said that he'd be open to doing an e-mail interview with me sometime soon, so I hopefully I'll get that done in the next week or so.
- I also talked to an A's scout and a Mariners scout who were taking notes at the game. The A's guy brushed me off entirely, while the Mariners' guy played coy with me. When I asked him if he was there to scout out players for possible trades, he said, "Well sure, but it's also a really good idea to see exactly what your rivals have coming through the pipeline."
- I couldn't believe the value of a minor league game: two box seats, two hot dogs, two bags of chips and two sodas for 18-bucks total. I cannot say this often enough: GO TO AN A'S MINOR LEAGUE GAME if you get the chance...anywhere, even at the visitor's park.
- Ironically, the featured guests at the game were a group of little leaguers donning their Green and Gold Athletics jerseys! That should have been a portent of bad tidings for the hometeam right there!
(The Quakes' energizer bunny-like mascot "Tremor" who showed 10,000 times more life than Cucamonga's bats tonight.)
I'm going to the A's-Angels game tomorrow night, so my dream-like all-A's affiliates in SoCal week continues! If you're there tomorrow, look for the guy with the scary-ass green and gold vinyl mask on...it'll be my drunk friend. Adios!
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Taj,
Nice writeup on the game. Thanks. Interesting to hear your observations on the A’s kids. I am sure that too many have their minds on other things. So Leon is having to work on a long-term visa to work in the U.S. Doolittle seems to be a great draft pick. And he could pitch as well; good that he is working out well at 1B. Continue the good writeups. Enjoy em.
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by Charlie Brown on Apr 29, 2008 7:27 AM PDT 0 recs
With Street looking good in the OF
Maybe if he’s still around when Doolittle is here they could be a platoon righty lefty closer. I just wonder who would get the save…
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by niallmack on
Apr 29, 2008 11:40 AM PDT
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thanks Taj
. I talked to the Ports’ bus driver while Leon was pitching and he said that Arnold’s definitely going back to Mexico by the end of May. He went on to say that the purpose of having Leon pitch for the Ports for these first two months of the season was purely logistical: the A’s needed to get Leon a workable visa to ensure that he’d be able to stay in the country for good starting next season. So, once his contract with his Mexican league team is concluded, he’ll be entirely A’s property and will be able to go to stay in USA indefinitely.
Great information here—the part of me which treats prospects like presents on Christmas morning is bummed to hear that we’ll have to wait another year to unwrap Leon. But it does make me glad that the A’s are flexible and committed enough to adjust their routine to allow this guy to do what it takes to be in the system.
re: Sulentic. I don’t see him being a 4th/5th outfielder, unless he becomes a AAAA guy for years and then becomes a bench guy/pinch hitter like Billy McMillon. But as a LHB guy without defensive sub skills, he’ll probably be a primary corner OFstarter (ala Matt Stairs) if he’s good enough to be on the 25 man. In any case it’s nice to see the bounce back this April. I’m rooting for him obviously…
Horton v. Pennington: When I saw Pennington in Stockton, which was several games worth of play, he wasn’t having a problem missing pitches or being over-matched at the plate. He was however hitting lots of 310 ft. fly balls, and one-hoppers to SS or 2B. Pennington and Danny Putnam both appeared to me to be guys who were/are quite good in the box when facing the pitcher, but the ball just doesn’t pop off their bat the way you want, the way it used to when they played with aluminum bats. Haven’t seen Horton yet. You think that he’s lumbering? ouch. Obviously, the A’s took Simmons, Doolittle, Brown, and Desme ahead of him so it’s not like they were really betting that he’d be a stud (otherwise he would have been snapped up even earlier, like Pennington in the first).
I look forward to you getting that interview done with Doolittle, that’s cool.
by jakarta on Apr 29, 2008 7:48 AM PDT 0 recs
thanks for doing this
good observations in general…and I enjoyed the photos!
by OaklandSi on Apr 29, 2008 8:48 AM PDT 0 recs
Curious that Glushon gave up multiple fly balls
since his primary selling point last season was his crazy groundball tendencies (IIRC he got something like 6.75 ground outs per air out). Maybe he just wasn’t into it… or maybe his stuff was MIA for a day.
So far the 2007 draft looks pretty exceptional. Simmons is dealing, Brown and Doolittle are both pounding the ball, Carignan’s up to AA already. Desme’s a bit questionable but mostly because he just hasn’t played many games yet. Banwart and Horton don’t have great upside, but look OK. Demel’s been inconsistent, but the potential is there.
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by PaulThomas on Apr 29, 2008 9:16 AM PDT 0 recs
Great Post
Always cool to get some opinions from someone who has seen the prospects first hand.
Also as an update on minor league things:
James Simmons went 7 innings in Midland last night giving up 1 ER and 6 hits with 7/0 K/BB. Good to see that he’s getting stretched out and going more innings, he has been the most impressive so far in AA and could be next in-line if a spot opens up in AAA.
Anthony Recker went 3-5 with a couple of doubles to get his average to .244 which is not that impressive but he was in the .180 range a week or so ago so, this could be a sign that he is adjusting to AA.
And in Sacramento news; Kevin Melillo, Gregorio Petit, and Jeff Baisley are hitting .368, .322, .295 respectively. None of them are really top prospects but it they are looking like at least decent options in the infield if we need a replacement.
by DiegoAsFan on Apr 29, 2008 9:23 AM PDT 0 recs
After looking closer at Melillo
I forgot to mention that he has only played 9 games this season after returning from an injury so small sample size is definitely in effect. But it is nice to see him start strong and it will be worth keeping an eye on him to see how long he rides this hot streak and watch what happens when he starts to cool down.
by DiegoAsFan on
Apr 29, 2008 9:27 AM PDT
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by top do you mean top 100
in MLB? then no.
by top do you mean someone who wouldn’t get through waivers if he was realeased, someone who has value to us or potentially to other clubs, then yeah.
He should be a major leaguer, he might become a starter, his upside is Omar Vizquel (Indians version), and probably will be similar to the Izturis brothers.
by jakarta on
Apr 29, 2008 11:17 AM PDT
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The second one.
Somebody on here concluded that his glove alone makes him a major league replacement level shortstop. If he can hit then that’s gravy.
by OldhamA on
Apr 29, 2008 11:40 AM PDT
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If he can hit for the positional average at shortstop,
which is (iirc) around a .700 OPS, he should be a playoff-caliber performer (assuming his glove is as advertised).
Another way to think about this is that if he’s -10 runs as a hitter, +10 runs as a defender, and +10 runs for being a shortstop (all these are relative to league averages) then he is again a playoff-level player.
I don’t see why something like .270/.320/.380 would not be achievable for him at the plate (thus hitting that magical .700 OPS number).
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by PaulThomas on
Apr 29, 2008 12:13 PM PDT
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Conveniently
that’s almost exactly his career minor league line (.272/.329/.380).
And ironically, a .700 OPS (.241/.311/.391) and very good defense at SS is also what we have gotten from Crosby in his major league career. Well, that plus the injuries. But it still seems like Crosby would be a lot more popular if he were 5’9” and hadn’t hit as well as he did in the minors.
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by andeux on
Apr 29, 2008 12:30 PM PDT
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Can't tell if you're agreeing with me or not here...
The thing about Crosby is that he’s such a head case that you’re never sure when he’s going to collapse offensively. I don’t think anyone’s ever questioned the talent, just the ability to make use of it.
That being said, with Crosby’s free agency impending, a continuation of the “status quo Crosby” would be a generally good thing for the team.
It’s funny, isn’t it, how we like average players who came out of nowhere more than average players who were expected to be stars. I think there’s a certain amount of moralizing which is almost impossible to avoid. We like the underdog better, therefore we think (wrongly) that he IS better.
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by PaulThomas on
Apr 29, 2008 1:13 PM PDT
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I'm agreeing
with the general point that a good defensive shortstop can put up a .700 OPS and still be an asset, but also pointing out that this contradicts your (and others’) offseason railing against Crosby – I believe you said at some point you would like to see him released outright because even the marginal cost of the major league minimum was more than he was worth. Clearly that would have been a mistake, assuming he can keep up the modest improvements he’s made this year (and I’m still hoping for a little more than that).
As for Petit specifically, I have no real strong opinion, as all I really know about him is what others have said on AN. I’m not super-excited about him as a prospect because
1. It sounds like his offensive upside is pretty low
2. Though you’re surely right that scouts are more useful than stats when judging a minor-leaguer’s defense, the large numbers of errors makes me think that there’s some aspect of his defense (footwork, or concentration) that still needs work. Just as with offense, “tools” can fail to develop into production on defense.
He’s still probably the best middle-infield prospect in the A’s system, but that’s partly because we’re still so weak in that area.
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by andeux on
Apr 29, 2008 2:27 PM PDT
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I think you're misremembering slightly
I don’t think I ever advocated releasing Crosby outright. Sending him to the minors and/or putting him on waivers is a different story—I definitely did advocate that.
Actually releasing him would be somewhat pointless. It would save the MLB minimum, but the player who replaced him would be making the same MLB minimum, so there’s no actual cost savings.
It goes more or less without saying that those writings reflected a belief that Crosby was, in fact, the player that he had been for 2 years running, ie a .600 OPS guy. Obviously he’s been much better than that so far this year, but I’m not convinced that the improvements will hold. He’s already backsliding on his hitting stance, according to some other ANers. I wish the A’s could figure out someone to trade him to (St. Louis?) and get it done ASAP. The guy just seems like a psychological time bomb.
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by PaulThomas on
Apr 29, 2008 3:20 PM PDT
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Petit's Defense
I have heard a lot in the past about how good Petit is with the glove but has anybody seen him or heard any first hand reports recently? He has 8 errors in 23 game so far this year which is a bit disconcerting for someone who is supposed to be a defensive wizard.
I know that errors are a very poor way to judge defensive ability, especially in the middle infield so I was hoping to get some recent info regarding his play in the field..
by DiegoAsFan on
Apr 29, 2008 12:41 PM PDT
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BA rated him as pretty much universally
the best infielder in the system. (Best fielder, best arm, etc.)
He has been a bit error-prone but this is an instance where I trust the scouts way more than the “numbers.”
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by PaulThomas on
Apr 29, 2008 1:04 PM PDT
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Archie Gilbert
Saw him in Stockton last week and liked his hustle and speed. Affronti had a good game that night, too.
De Los Santos was as hard throwing as advertised..wait till gets his “control issues” worked out!
I agree, get to an A’s minor league game and see some great young prospects – on both clubs.
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by LongTimeFan on Apr 29, 2008 10:09 AM PDT 0 recs
Chris Carter is HUGE Isn't he?
Thanks for the info. I’ve been following them every day. It would be cool to get these live takes once or twice a week.
I’ll be seeing them again when they come back and I’ll be sure to write about it.
Someone also needs to get out and see the Cats the next time they play Salt Lake. Salt Lake is 21-1!!!
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by saint on Apr 29, 2008 10:32 AM PDT 0 recs
21-2 now. Memphis got 'em last night.
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by Flashfire on
Apr 29, 2008 11:11 AM PDT
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i went to the saturday night game
for everyone in so-cal, make the trip out to rancho cucamungo, it’s a good time. seats are cheap, food is good and the park is first class.
anderson didnt’ impress much but i was too far from home plate to make any useful observations for why he didn’t pitch that well. lansford came in in relief and looked good followed by demel who closed things out smoothly.
chris carter played first and seemed to do an alright job at it though he wasn’t challenged much. later in the game he ended up hitting a bomb over everything in left field which was really cool cause i was bragging about him to my buddies as the game got going.
had a great time, will definately be back.
by Livermore on Apr 29, 2008 11:14 AM PDT 0 recs
I toured the Cal League parks in 2005...
...and echo the sentiment about Rancho Cucamonga. It was partially built to be an alternative to having to go to places like Los Angeles and San Diego for a nicer ballpark experience and I think it shows. Nice views, too.
Small little trivia tidbit: if anyone remembers the commercial for the first Super Mario baseball game on the GameCube, they filmed it at the Epicenter.
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by Flashfire on
Apr 29, 2008 11:21 AM PDT
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Oh yeah
I also ended up seeing Andy Sonnanstine dominate the Quakes at that game before Brandon Wood ripped a late homer off a relief pitcher. Also saw Ubaldo Jimenez pitch for Modesto and I’m pretty sure I saw Brad Ziegler around there in 2005 before I had any idea who he was.
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