Top Stories in Hardball Land (According to ESPN)
by madmongoose on Apr 27, 2008 10:01 PM PDT
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1. Anything Hank Steinbrenner Says or Does
2. Anything John Henry, Larry Lucchino Does or Says in Response to #1
3. Big Papi's Slump
4. Derek Jeter's Quads
5. ARod's Never-ending Quest for Love and Respect
6. Those Young Yankee Hurlers
7. Those Young Sox Position Players
8. Hey-- the Diamondbacks Might be For Real
9. Hey-- the Tigers Can't hit/check that Can't Pitch/check that Can't Field
10. A Second City Series??
11. Joe Torre's Adventures in LA LA Land-- Or Was Woody Allen right about Hollywood, after all?
12. How to Spend $126 million and pay the price-- again and again-- by Brian sabean
13. Those cute Rockies are struggling
14. Those cute Rays (not Devil Rays-- heh, heh, heh) are better
15. Don't you love the way the Angels play the game?
16. Anyone buried any Sox or Yankee jerseys or other memorabilia lately?
17. Anyone with a Boston or New York player surname been attacked by an animal lately?
18. The angels manufacture runs;
19. Is Trevor Hoffman finished?
20. John Smoltz and Chipper Jones-- don't you just love them?
21. Swisher has an infectious personality-- he's transforming the South Side;
22. the Angels take the extra base;
23. KC has some good young players;
24. There are a lot of really good young shortstops or second basemen
25. Miguel Tejada is 45 years old
26. Everyone named in the Mitchell Report is terrible this year
27. Barry Bonds hasn;t been signed
28. 26 and 27 are interrelated
29. The Angels teach their whole organization to play the Angel way
30. Bedard and King Felix are a great 1-2 punch
31. Richie Sexson hasn't hit a lick since he wasa Brewer-- and come to think of it, he didn't hit then either;
32. The reds have a lot of good young talent
33. The Indians have been real smart with how they sign all their players
34. What is the matter with CC and Verlander, anyway?
35. anything that has to do with Leyland, Piniella, LaRussa and Torre
36. why are the Brewers carrying 14 pitchers?
37. Why do Milwaukee and st. Louis bat their pitcher 8th? To take advantage of jason kendall-- ARE YOU KIDDING ME??
38. Why was albert Pujols risking his career playing 2nd base??
39. who will hit 50 this year-- Chipper or Chase?
40. Can prince hit 30 as a vegan, let alone 50?
41. Do you think Cecil has a clue what a vegan is??
42. One thing about the Angels-- they are schooled in the fundamentals.
43. Manny Ramirez is on the road to a MVP;
44. Brandon Webb is headed for a Cy Young;
45. Eva Longoria is hot-- and so is Evan, for that matter;
46. Gagne and Turnbow and pray for about 3 more runs;
47. the Angels are doing this well-- without Lackey
48 Joba the set-up man or Joba the stater?
49. Rollins vs. Reyes?
50. OK-- let's break the suspense, and talk about Oakland for a change--
"they are under 500" Karl Ravitch on BB Tonight this day
"The Angels hold first place by a half game over Oakland" Jon Miller on Sunday Night Baseball this day
OK-- our A's quota of misinformation and ignorance is done-- have you noticed how the Angels put constant pressure on the other team's defense?
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Awesome ...
did Ravitch really think Oakland was sub-.500?!
VacaAsFan
by Vacafan on Apr 27, 2008 10:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
+1 (in wondering?)
Jeremy was safe. He jumped over the tag.
by mrrickyg on Apr 27, 2008 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He did.
At least someone noticed because he apologized after the A’s highlights. So sad though. I remember hearing that clown say during BBTN during spring training that the A’s fans should get ready for some bad baseball this year…
What about Barry?
"Barry who?" Forst said, and I felt like I was in the middle of a knock-knock joke.
by KMoAsFan on Apr 27, 2008 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well people saying the a's would suck
was pretty universal. but we’ve all been there, done that. nobody pays attention to run differentials or bad injury luck—they just figure if you haven’t heard of them, they must suck.
Jeremy was safe. He jumped over the tag.
by mrrickyg on Apr 27, 2008 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is ESPN?
Are they that sports network dedicated to the Yankees and Red Sox and everything involving those 2 clubs? Quite frankly I hope the disrespect of the A’s continues. We don’t need bandwagon coverage from that lame ass network.
by HRH on Apr 27, 2008 10:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Eastern Sports Programming Network
Jeremy was safe. He jumped over the tag.
by mrrickyg on Apr 27, 2008 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Part of the hilarity of this fanpost
was all the Angels coverage.
Honestly, ESPN is generally good at covering both coasts. Oakland just happens to be the very last team on the West Coast that matters to them. Midwestern teams generally get the shaft (Except, maybe, the Cubs. But you’d think they would get more play since they’re the 2nd most popular team in the entire sport).
http://bocropleasestopswingingatbadpitches.blogspot.com/
by thejd44 on Apr 28, 2008 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's not entirely true.
ESPN covers the west—all the way to Wrigley field.
They might be wary of taking camera crews too far into the Louisiana Purchase and beyond.
Green Hulk Fists
by oaklandSMASH on Apr 28, 2008 1:27 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sure, hit Kedall after pitcher.
No sense GIDP in front of the pitcher.
by MobiusKlein on Apr 27, 2008 10:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This is an awesome and accurate list
Maybe a few more Jeter / Manny / A-Rod / Papi stories sprinkled in to make it spot-on.
by Rev Halofan on Apr 27, 2008 10:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Im still trying..
to “flirt” with you!
When will then be now? Soon.
by Syphon on Apr 28, 2008 12:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2016/2448776669_232ec0900c_o.jpg
"Evidently, a large number of people said, 'We really need more vermin at the ballpark, Artie.'" - Nick (AN), 10/7/07
by doctorK on Apr 28, 2008 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Evidently, a large number of people said, 'We really need more vermin at the ballpark, Artie.'" - Nick (AN), 10/7/07
by doctorK on Apr 28, 2008 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i am with you on that one
we sold 70 shirts with that logo in a week and the stadium is so much cleaner this season.
by Rev Halofan on Apr 28, 2008 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stadium better be clean
with all that crap your pitching staff was throwing tonight.
couldn’t resist.
by madmongoose on Apr 28, 2008 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was probably the Jon Miller quote about the Angels
holding a half game lead over the A’s that made you angry enough to write this post. Ha, ha. I’m looking forward to the series between the two best teams in the American West.
Scioscia, "Roll the hole!"
by 44FAN on Apr 27, 2008 10:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Actually,
that’s the two best teams in the American. Period. Based on W/L records, at least. Based on popular opinion on BBTN, it will be a battle between maybe the 4th and 83rd best teams in the AL. Either way, should be some fun baseball this week.
by TempletonPeck on Apr 28, 2008 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i once got a Rick Langford baseball card
and was very sad when I noticed it wasn’t Carney Lansford.
Jeremy was safe. He jumped over the tag.
by mrrickyg on Apr 27, 2008 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently, ESPN has no clue
what a vegan is either. Prince Fielder’s a vegetarian.
Mitchell Report? What about Tejada?
ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524
by rfloh on Apr 28, 2008 12:13 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Spring Training screengrab, via Deadspin.
"Looks like you brought two too many."
by BWH on Apr 28, 2008 12:30 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Miggy
The Miggy thing was the single most horrific tactic I’ve see recently. How do you take advantage of someone’s language difficulties that way? For no fault of Miggy’s, given his language barrier, he’s going to look guilty when they pop a birth certificate on him…
It takes courage to make yourself available for an interview, and doing so is a favor to ESPN (and the fans). A few more stunts like that, and I hope someone will start declining them interviews.
If you’re a latin player, and you saw tape of the miggy ambush, would you EVER do ESPN a favor again?
And WTF is E60 anyways?
/rant
by ohmangoAs on Apr 28, 2008 3:07 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
E:60
E:60 has some decent unheard stories, but that Miggy Interview was complelely CLASSLESS.
by Colorado Fan on Apr 28, 2008 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still sort of suspended watching ESPN baseball for a short period of time for that
They were pimping the E:60 interview and the Astros being on TV, and I just refused to watch either the interview or the Sunday Night Baseball. It was shameful.
Jeremy was safe. He jumped over the tag.
by mrrickyg on Apr 28, 2008 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Miggy thing was classless...
but E:60 as a show truly truly has not been bad.
Well, besides that one interview, which so far, defines the show…
"The hard... is what makes it great."
by Jjjsixsix on Apr 28, 2008 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
And I usually stick up for the media.
Ambush interviews occasionally have their place—like when a big chemical company is putting leaded glass shards in children’s toothpaste. But to set up someone like Tejada, who has done so much for the game, for utter humiliation on camera is wrong, wrong, wrong. I do hope a players’ boycott against ESPN gets rolling. Do it guys!
by SportySpice on Apr 28, 2008 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
To add further Insult
ESPN has a poll today concerning the “surprise” teams and which one has the best chance to make the playoffs. 5 teams are listed—including Tampa, Baltimore and the White Sox in the AL. But not the A’s. I guess the team tied for the best record in the AL is not a “surprise”—despite the fact that Karl Ravitch thought we were under .500, Jon Miller didn’t know we were in first place and nearly every ESPN “expert” picked us 3rd or 4th in the division. We are so far under the radar we’re touching the ground!
by madmongoose on Apr 28, 2008 10:35 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but
the A’s were in first place later in 2007. April is not September.
by MobiusKlein on Apr 28, 2008 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No offense...
And maybe it’s just because I’m used to it, but, so what? I seriously don’t think that ESPN and the mainstream media has this vendetta out on Oakland, as some people on AN have made it seem.
More people care about the Sox and Yankees. They have more fans. Why shouldn’t they get the bulk of the supply if they also have the bulk of the demand?
Yes. I know that there are lots of hardcore A’s fans, and Orioles and Rangers and (insert smaller market here) fans. Yes, I know these teams also deserve recognition. But I stopped expecting the Joba/Jeter/A-Rod/Manny/Ortiz/Papelbon-like coverage from ESPN a long time ago. They’re a national network, they cater to what the majority wants.
Sorry about that, and in all honesty, the list was funny and true.
http://www.jlaff.com/
by JLaff on Apr 28, 2008 10:51 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
edit:
ESPN and the mainstream media have this vendetta
http://www.jlaff.com/
by JLaff on Apr 28, 2008 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A Vendetta would be a good thing
It might show that they actually paid attention. It’s more of a black hole.
by madmongoose on Apr 28, 2008 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
we all get this of course
but at some point even casual fans want to see 1st place teams doing good things as opposed to middling .500 teams wondering what the problem is. A lot of the reason there is a steady diet of Sox and Yankees is that ESPN shows Sox and Yankees and it becomes a self-repeating cycle. Baseball fans aren’t going to tuneout of Baseball Tonight because they are showing the A’s instead of the Yankees or Sox. Casual/new fans do develop an expectation of Yankees/Sox if ESPN is constantly cultivating that in people too though.
Jeremy was safe. He jumped over the tag.
by mrrickyg on Apr 28, 2008 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you, JLaff
This thread is going on again? Can we get over it? No one’s out to get us.
Enjoy being the underdog – it’s much more exciting. Hasn’t Hollywood taught us that at least?
by dscel on Apr 28, 2008 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not just ESPN- cues from NY media
I rarely watch “Baseball Tonight” anymore… especially with the “teasers” they usually put in about the A’s. For instance, on 4-24 Thursday when the Athletics did two things (1) Frank Thomas signing and debut and (2) trounced the Twins in a DAY game, you’d think the A’s would lead off, or close to it, on Baseball Tonight. No, they had FOUR teaser remarks about the A’s, which totaled MORE TIME than the actual A’s piece…and the A’s piece did not air until thirty minutes into the show!!
Instead… INSTEAD! .. they led off with the Yankees-White Sox GAME DELAY! ridiculous!
“What do you think? Should the Yankees pull their starter if the game resumes, or…?”
Everyone comments on this idea, 30 seconds each.
Attention: WHAT ABOUT ACTUAL, FACTUAL NEWS??????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I was in New York City in May, 2002, and decided to watch the evening news to pick up the A’s score. I didn’t expect much, but…. the Yankees lost that day (out of town) and with all the player interviews and a long interview with Joe Torre, you’d have thought they just lost Game 4 of the WS, and were down 3-1 in the series!
The sports segment of the news didn’t have time to even LIST the scores from other games!! In May!
That is where ESPN takes its cues.
"I never predict anything, and I never will." Paul Gascoigne, English footballer
by One won lost won on Apr 28, 2008 11:42 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Regional media outlets
You can more or less blame this on the internet. The internet provides an outlet for all “niche” (in the sense that A’s coverage would be niche in, say, New York) and on-demand sports coverage. You don’t need to catch all the scores in a broadcast anymore. Therefore traditional (read: limited in time and space) media outlets focus all of their resources in getting in-depth coverage on the local teams. That way, they have unique content provide additional value from the ESPN.com and Yahoo Sports of the world.
by dscel on Apr 28, 2008 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with what you're saying
it’s a different world with the internet in the equation.
I don’t have any obligation to either accept it or like it.
"I never predict anything, and I never will." Paul Gascoigne, English footballer
by One won lost won on Apr 28, 2008 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Angels AAA affiliate.
I heard Morgan mention it last night, and had to see for myself…
The Angels AAA affiliate, the Salt Lake Bees, is currently 21-1. Now I don’t follow minor league baseball outside the A’s, but first indication would be that their farm system is stacked. Anyone care to elaborate on this?
What about Barry?
"Barry who?" Forst said, and I felt like I was in the middle of a knock-knock joke.
by KMoAsFan on Apr 28, 2008 12:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
May be the best start in minor league history
Neyer just wrote about them on his blog. Reggie Willits is there this year—Hunter moved him back, basically; perpetual power prospect Brandon Wood as well—if he ever learns to make contact, watch out. And a stud pitcher named Adenhart. A big part of the reason BB went young this year is the Angels’ system—lots of talent there.
by madmongoose on Apr 28, 2008 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just looked at the team
and while it’s a perfectly reasonable AAA team, it’s not a ridiculous powerhouse in terms of prospects. There are a lot of 25 and 26 year olds on the team who are tearing it up, but their upside in MLB terms is pretty limited (especially in the Angels system… some of those guys would contend for roster spots on the A’s).
Nick Adenhart’s stats are baffling. Somehow he has a 0.87 ERA despite walking a ton of batters, not striking very many out (K/BB ratio is 19/15), and not getting ground balls (1.17 GO/AO ratio, about average). The BABIP of opposing batters is no higher than .196 and might be slightly lower. This is in a hitter’s league, playing in a park at altitude (which increases opponents’ BABIP).
Either he’s discovered some new mechanism for pitching (in which case the Rockies had better find a way to trade for him), or he’s past due for some major, major regression.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Apr 28, 2008 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I went through this too
Adenhart’s stats are baffling, but so are the rest of the starters’...none are really outstanding. Then again, 21-1 is just insane. Admitting my own ignorance on the subject, could we even expect an average MLB team to go 21-1 in the PCL?
by dscel on Apr 28, 2008 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Baseball is a sufficiently random game
that I would be surprised if an average MLB team would win more than 75-80% of its games in the PCL.
Thinking of it from another standpoint, a league-average MLB roster is about 30 wins over replacement level. If you think of a AAA team as being essentially replacement level, you would expect the MLB team to be in the neighborhood of 27 wins over average in the PCL (shorter season accounting for the other 3) for around 100 wins and 40-something losses on the season. That’s not even a 75% winning percentage.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Apr 28, 2008 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is exactly the explanation IMO
Good write, Paul.
I recall the 1984 Detroit Tigers. They went 34-5, then played .500 ball the rest of the way.
Once in a while, it has to happen that a team will hit a winning streak like that, even in the highly competitive Major Leagues. The vaunted 20-game streak by the A’s was done by a team that in no way was “one for the ages”. The A’s simply got “alignment” in their schedule, and individual performances, for one-eighth of the season.
"I never predict anything, and I never will." Paul Gascoigne, English footballer
by One won lost won on Apr 28, 2008 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
2007 Rockies
They seem to fit the bill too.
What about Barry?
"Barry who?" Forst said, and I felt like I was in the middle of a knock-knock joke.
by KMoAsFan on Apr 28, 2008 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
From a Halo fan...
You guys are getting jobbed by the media. Pretty lame. Everyone could see the Ray’s becoming tits… I thought you guys would be pretty kick ass in two years, but this ridiculous. Good for you. Here’s to a great series. Good Luck.
by cupie on Apr 28, 2008 3:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Thank you!!!! You too!
So, bring on Bonds! Or, not... then, bring back Langerhans!! -One won lost one
by baseballgirl on Apr 28, 2008 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wanna hear it ....
Let’s go Oakland.
Have fun at the games in LAAA and cheer our guys on LOUD!
Faith and perspective...2008 Oakland A's.
by LongTimeFan on Apr 28, 2008 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is this a trick?
Where are the cameras?
I'm here to talk about the past.
by 67MARQUEZ on Apr 28, 2008 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is a trick!
The director of marketing for the A’s, signing in as “cupie”, trying to drum up seat sales for future Angels-A’s games!!
...simply shameless! *8^))
"I never predict anything, and I never will." Paul Gascoigne, English footballer
by One won lost won on Apr 28, 2008 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A personal thing
I find it disingenuous to wish an opponent good luck before a game when it’s in a competitive (tournament/league) environment.
I mean, I DON’T want them to be lucky. I want me to be lucky and them to be unlucky, or at least unlucky enough that I’m able to win. Luck’s a part of the game—and I want more of it.
If you’re willing to wish the Angels good luck, you’d better not be angry when Vlad hits a walk-off home run on a pitch in the dirt and 6 inches outside, or Chone Figgins scores after getting on base with a 16-hopper infield single through the box.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Apr 28, 2008 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cmon.
It’s standard politeness.
Also, when you beat that team despite their good luck, you know your team earned it.
by MobiusKlein on Apr 28, 2008 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How is it polite to lie?
Or to put it another way, if “good luck” doesn’t actually mean good luck, shouldn’t one find a different phrase that doesn’t sound like you’re, you know, wishing them good luck?
Couldn’t you just say you hope for an exciting series?
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Apr 28, 2008 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's just polite to lie in lots of circumstances
Way of the world.
I would not want to be around you and your girlfriend when she asks “Do I look fat in these pants?” and they do make her look a little chubby.
Jeremy was safe. He jumped over the tag.
by mrrickyg on Apr 28, 2008 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Correct "honest" reply
“Those pants do not flatter you, honey” – (I.E. stick the blame on the pants)
Having played plenty of games online, I never wish an opponent good luck. I do wish for them to have fun (because I genuinely mean that … have fun, but don’t get lucky).
by Rickeyfan on Apr 29, 2008 6:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sometimes the question isn't about the pants...
Jeremy was safe. He jumped over the tag.
by mrrickyg on Apr 29, 2008 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Figgins scenario would be luck
but I’m pretty sure Vlad could actually hit a ball out the way you described.
by mikev on Apr 29, 2008 7:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Angels have no holes in that lineup...
jeez this is gonna be a tough series. A’s pitchers need to be on their game.
by Oaktownflav on Apr 28, 2008 3:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Cue another story on Ozzie-ball
(bottom of 11th, runner on 3rd with 1 out caught stealing home).
by green star oakland on Apr 28, 2008 4:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Of course 11th should have read 10th
by green star oakland on Apr 28, 2008 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stealing home actually makes some sense
with a runner on 3rd and 2 outs. You only need to be successful about 30% of the time in order to gain in win expectancy.
With ONE out, it’s completely insane. Especially when it’s the winning run.
I’d guess it was some kind of botched squeeze play.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Apr 28, 2008 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Winner!
Ramon Hernandez homered off Scott Linebrink in the top of the 11th – after the White Sox botched a bunt play in the 10th – to give the Orioles a 3-2 lead.Neither closer could finish it. Baltimore tied the game in the ninth off Chicago’s Bobby Jenks on Melvin Mora ’s RBI single following a leadoff double and stolen base by Brian Roberts .
Chicago had a big chance to win in the bottom of the 10th. Carlos Quentin , who continued his strong early season play, hit a leadoff double.
But after he moved to third on Joe Crede ’s fly ball, Chicago’s Brian Anderson foul tipped a bunt attempt on a squeeze play and Quentin was tagged out. Anderson then struck out to end the inning.
"Evidently, a large number of people said, 'We really need more vermin at the ballpark, Artie.'" - Nick (AN), 10/7/07
by doctorK on Apr 28, 2008 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ramon would never have
botched that bunt.
I'm here to talk about the past.
by 67MARQUEZ on Apr 28, 2008 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it was a foul tip.....
.....and it wasn’t strike three, wouldn’t the ball have been dead (like a normal foul ball) and the runner go back to third? Or am I just being stupid (what having only watched the A’s for my entire life, not seen enough unsuccessful squeeze attempts)?
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
by vignette17 on Apr 28, 2008 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope, ball is still live if the foul tip is held by the catcher
If you had been around in ‘80-’82, you would’ve seen a lot of squeeze attempts.
"Evidently, a large number of people said, 'We really need more vermin at the ballpark, Artie.'" - Nick (AN), 10/7/07
by doctorK on Apr 28, 2008 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
just a few
I'm here to talk about the past.
by 67MARQUEZ on Apr 28, 2008 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So it was a suicide squeeze and
Quentin took off before contact was made ?
Is Brian Anderson that good a bad handler (in general, obviously not in this specific case) ? Better odds than for a hit or sac fly ?
by green star oakland on Apr 28, 2008 11:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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