DLD 4/17/08 Tejada turned 31 last year, will turn 34 this year.
by mrrickyg on Apr 17, 2008 10:38 AM PDT
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PrintIf only Tejada was showing signs of aging and Chavez was playing up to his youthful potential, this would make Billy Beane look like even more of a genius! What I don't understand is that it seems like a lot of DR players end up costing themselves money by lying about their age and being brought around a lot slower than they might otherwise have been brought up. This means Tejada will be hitting free agency again at 35(!) instead of one or two years earlier, which could make a huge impact on the length and size of his next contract.
Tejada Two Years Older Than Astros Thought-Houston Chronicle
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All jokes aside....
The way that ESPN ambushed Tejada was the lowest form of journalism. If ESPN felt an obligation to tell the public Tejada’s true age, they could have just let it out on their web site or TV show. They didn’t have to go “To Catch a Predator” on him. The saddest part of the interview, is that you could see the host was getting off on the whole thing. I am curious what the Astros players response to this whole thing will be. I wonder if they will have a “No ESPN interview” policy for the rest of the season. And I have a hard time believing that ESPN will get another professional athlete to agree to go on that show again. I know I wouldn’t. So hopefully, they cut their own throat by doing this.
ditto
And what did we do once we discovered a rift in the fourth dimension? We launched a monkey into it. @('.')@
Miguel
I understand the social forces that led Tejada to lie about his age. I have always liked him and I still root for him. I am glad that this came out though. Now if he would only address the mitchell report.
Really, out of all the players that the A’s have lost over the years the three recent ones that have bothered me as a fan were Thomas, Tejada, and Hudson. The rest, I could take in stride easily as a fan. But those three players really caused my fanheart to ache a great deal when they left. That will teach me for getting attached to players.
I also cried as a 7 year old when Rickey was traded the first time after the 84 season and again when he was traded in July of 93.
To make up for it I have Miguel, Thomas, Huddy, and Rickey on my MVP05 roster.
"First Zito and now DJ? The Giants are like A's landfil." - a paraphrase of Since72.
Also, Todd Linden has a .231 lifetime average and a 66 career OPS+, chill Linden fans.
by Athletics fan and runner on Apr 17, 2008 10:44 AM PDT reply actions
I don't care about Miguel's chicanery ...
... but any of you who do should also care about the chicanery of Beane and Mike Flanagan and Andy MacPhail:
Moreover, Wade and Tejada both said the shortstop’s green card, driver’s license and other legal papers in the United States reflect his actual birthday, May 25, 1974.
There is no way that the A’s and Orioles (and, heck, Tejada’s agent) didn’t know about this.
And what did we do once we discovered a rift in the fourth dimension? We launched a monkey into it. @('.')@
But when did it change? Santiago Casilla's green card NOW has the correct name and
birthdate. If Miggy’s was correct the whole time, then how was his age listed incorrectly for all these years.
by theblackpearl on Apr 17, 2008 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions
What I care about
is how bad this makes the sports media look.
I mean, this is “purloined-letter-hiding-in-plain-sight-level” incompetence. It appears to have been the world’s worst kept secret.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
Are you saying that sports reporters
had access to Tejada’s green card and drivers license? I kind of doubt it.
Also, as others have said, it’s not clear WHEN these documents became accurate.
by SportySpice on Apr 17, 2008 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
BB should've leaked it...
At his first attempt at Free Agency… then corned the market on undervalued FA’s based on incorrect ages.
We might still have had Miggy through those couple of MVP seasons. (He wouldn’t have locked him up for this long either)
No Harden and No Chavez make the A's go, something something...
Usually, leaking info that causes someone's value to drop
is not the best way to get them to sign with you.
All that would have done is save some other team money.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
people here didn't really care about garcia/casilla
and he’s still with the a’s, i’m not sure anyone cares about a former player.
but, even if tejada didn’t break any laws, he lied about his age. those other guys most likely knew his real age, but what did they do, besides not publicly sell him out and expose him as a liar?
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
Maybe this was just the chicanery in the coal mine?
Maybe there were other problems with Miggy?
I love you, k^2. -Poppy*
by kaweahkaweah on Apr 17, 2008 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Can you dig it?
"Hasn’t the foggiest inclination toward winning ‘tall. Hates to win. Likes to be buggered."
Lots of cash sloshing around major league baseball
Particularly in Southern California.
The Dodgers’ value has soared under new ownership too. Frank and Jamie McCourt bought the club - and Dodger Stadium and surrounding parking lot - for $430 million four years ago. Forbes estimates the club alone is worth $632 million today....
Under new ownership, the Angels and Dodgers have had record attendance, and the Dodgers have opened new luxury seating areas and aggressively increased the price of tickets.
According to Team Marketing Report, the cost for a family of four - average-priced tickets, parking, hot dogs, drinks, programs and caps - has increased from $154 to $229 at Dodger Stadium since 2004.
I realize souvenirs need not be part of the equation, but nevertheless, $57 per person per game is … what’s the word? ... insane.
That other LA-area franchise, interestingly enough, has thus far pursued a different strategy:
At Angel Stadium, that cost has risen from $133 to $140 over the same period. (Luxury seats are not counted in the the average ticket price.)That relative affordability, Badenhausen said, explains the big jump in the Angels’ franchise value.
“There’s room to increase revenue with the Angels,” he said.
...
“If fans keep coming as ticket prices keep going up,” he said, “it isn’t exactly a deterrent to keep raising them.”
So the rise in franchise value is due in part to the presumption that at some point in the future, Arte will take advantage of all that (apparent) elbow room, and charge what the market will bear.
Working class Angels fans, get out to the games while you still can.
Also of note:
The magazine said the Yankees and Red Sox were two of only three teams to lose money last year, estimating the Yankees’ loss at $47 million and the Boston loss at $13 million, but Badenhausen said the Yankees forfeited $115 million and the Red Sox $74 million in revenue sharing and luxury taxes.
I guess my bitter, gun-and-Bible-toting relatives from Pennsylvania won’t be going to many ballgames when they go to Disneyland …
And what did we do once we discovered a rift in the fourth dimension? We launched a monkey into it. @('.')@
Right.
Even bowling costs too damn much in Hollywood.
If that establishment’s winking, bizarrely gesticulating twenty-something spokeswoman is at all representative of the usual clientele, Earl Anthony himself might have difficulty maintaining sufficient focus to score above, say, 37.
And as far as I know, Earl Anthony (rest in peace) was definitely not an unpatriotic condescending just out of diapers secret dangerously Afrocentric militant terrorist of mysterious origin. But, you know, it’s possible I’m just not looking at the right websites.
They had a meeting in Fremont Tuesday night.
New target date for A’s move: 2012.
But what about the CHILDREN?
... the team is continuing to try to strengthen local support. Last week, it sent out mailers to Fremont residents that had a picture of co-owner Lew Wolff, Keith’s father, on the front reading to a group of schoolchildren.
Mint Chocolate Chip
They should print up bumper stickers
“Mallparks Not Jails! ... Oh, and also a kickass school over at the old dump!”
The A's colors are green and gold.
Clever maneuver they hope will help dodge electoral problems
The A’s worst fear is that the Fremont deal goes to the voters as a ballot initiative. So far they appear to be dodging that bullet, although any change to the (still largely undisclosed) financing and park ownership schemes could make it easier for a Fremont resident with standing to force the measure onto a ballot.
Their worst current fear (other than the housing market) is that the Morrison mayoral campaign will make any bad news on the ballpark front a de facto stadium plebiscite (ie, “Vote Morrison, he’ll stopthe rapacious mallparkers from ruining our wetlands/stir up our buried toxics/overburden our infrastructure/etc.) The A’s clever solution? Jigger the timeline so that a possible (likely) source of bad news is delayed until after the election.
After the meeting, (Keith) Wolff said that the team could only arrive in 2011 if the city certified the team’s environmental impact report by the end of this year — a target date both Wolff and city officials said almost surely would be missed…
The environmental report, which requires the team to respond to comments from public agencies and citizens, typically takes 14 to 18 months to complete.
The draft environmental impact report, which will include the city’s much-anticipated traffic impact study, could be completed by the end of the year, Schwob said.
Given that schedule, it is unlikely that the report will be made public before the November mayoral election, in which former Mayor Gus Morrison, a critic of the A’s plan, is running against two men supporting the team move to Fremont — incumbent Mayor Bob Wasserman and Councilmember Steve Cho.
There is an A in Whimsy.
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Apr 17, 2008 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
an additional benefit in pushing back
... hypothesized by Marine Layer/vertig0:
A simple economic angle also can’t be dismissed. By pushing the opening back a year, investors may be hoping that they’ll be an additional year removed from the recession and the housing market drop.
Personally, I still think there’ll likely be a significant downscaling of the project before/if spadework ever begins.
And what did we do once we discovered a rift in the fourth dimension? We launched a monkey into it. @('.')@
Not downscaling, refocusing
Already the plan has changed to keep the possibility of additional commercial development. They could tout a “green business district” – that is, forward-thinking, environmentally oriented businesses – to help with the PR. Lots of ways to boost PR.
Every municipality wants to woo Green Business
Solar, biotech, etc etc. The Oakland-based Ella Baker Center is one of the leading lights of the campaign for so-called Green Collar Jobs (forward-thinking industries to replace those that used to employ blue collar workers in this country).
In an ironic twist of the knife, if Fremont succeeds in attracting such firms, it’s quite possible that too would be at Oakland’s expense.
I haven’t read your latest yet, but hedging versus the housing market seems like a pretty sound strategy for the A’s. Lew’s words on the unacceptability of the current park notwithstanding, they’re doing pretty darm well there, financially.
There is an A in Whimsy.
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Apr 17, 2008 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
have they shifted from retail to commercial?
As always, I defer to you in the knowledge of the details of the application plan. I don’t recall there being a nonretail commercial aspect of the plan—and if there weren’t, wouldn’t that necessitate yet further delays/complications?
And depending on just what sort of “environmental” businesses you envision, there’s a wide variance in the type of nonretail commercial, from white-collar consulting to manufacturing (and if the latter, a whole host of further EIR issues).
And what did we do once we discovered a rift in the fourth dimension? We launched a monkey into it. @('.')@
The retail part stays as is
There’s another 47-acre parcel that could be used for housing, commercial, even industrial if they choose since that’s the current zoning. Already a portion of it is being carved out to be used for an Auto Mall extension. The rest can be used for other commercial/light industrial uses. Currently, that parcel is expected to be the last housing construction phase.
ah, thanks
And what did we do once we discovered a rift in the fourth dimension? We launched a monkey into it. @('.')@
Pushing back also gives another year
for the Giants’ revenues to decline with their team’s performance, possibly to the point where the ownership is willing to sell the rights to San Jose.
The candy and the baseball all night long: )
by Englishmajor on Apr 17, 2008 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
A delay's no slam dunk either
Should Morrison win the election, he’ll have great sway over the council and it’s quite possible he’ll pull the majority of them to his position. Paraphrasing Don Perata: You don’t get anything built without the mayor.
Morrison’s entry into the race was a shrewd move as it gets the issue further into public consciousness. Delaying the EIR is a similarly shrewd move by Fremont administration. In the meantime, expect the A’s to further ratchet up their PR campaign, which was only briefly hinted at in the article.
Sounds like a clandestine job
for Ms. Lin. I’ve linked this before, but it is great:
Then in a July 21 e-mail with the subject line “Bob Wasserman and Craig Steckler Are Corrupt,” she concluded: “I will kill, in order: 1. bob wasserman 2. linda wasserman 3. casey steckler 4. craig steckler. actually I want 2 kill the wives first, you corrupt bitches.” Lin didn’t say exactly how she would kill them.
Lin shares the Fremont bomber’s unsubstantiated belief that city officials including Wasserman and Steckler were involved in an international drug ring in the Fremont hills.
The A's colors are green and gold.
Fun Mental Image of the day:
Left-hander Dana Eveland showed up for work Wednesday with a freshly shaved head, and the hair under his chin, formerly bushy enough to house a family of squirrels, was trimmed up tight.
Can we keep small-sample-size Bobby Crosby? Please? -Joey C.
formerly bushy enough to house a family of squirrels
Haha…that’s what I though of Hernandez’s hair…right before we traded him.
So, bring on Bonds! Or, not... then, bring back Langerhans!! -One won lost one
by baseballgirl on Apr 17, 2008 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Maybe the wind was wreaking havoc on it, and it threw him off balance
leading to all those walks…
The A's colors are green and gold.
FJM knocks Lowell Cohn off his Rascal, points, laughs
And what did we do once we discovered a rift in the fourth dimension? We launched a monkey into it. @('.')@
that was funny, but I must strenuously object to this:
Look, Cohn father and son, maybe it’s time you get out of the blogging business. It’s rough out there. There’s a lot of competition. And you, as they say, are making no sense. How is Mark Ellis more hard-nosed or better attituded than Asdrubal Cabrera or Brandon Phillips or Kaz Matsui or Miguel Cairo or Mike Fontenot or Trey Willinshamerson, the second baseman on my high school team? He hangs in on the double play? How many major leaguers are constantly bailing on double play balls?Mark Ellis is a good player who has many mediocre teammates. Can we agree there’s nothing magical about him?
Nothing magical about him?! Yeah, and there’s nothing magical about unicorns either.
"Don't be an ass!" --Bill King
I'm too busy to be wrathful.
Besides… Mark Ellis being underestimated by some of the six billion or so humans that aren’t us? Holy shit. That never happens.
"Huston, you're hot!'' said first baseman Dan Johnson, dressed as a bottle of mustard.
They're not underestimating him
They said he’s a good player… and the reason why he’s good isn’t some magical “grittiness” or unusual courage on double plays, it’s that he’s incredibly good at fielding grounders, has great range, and never drops anything.
If some columnist says Bonds is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being he’s ever known, that’s still bulls**t (even though Bonds is a very very good baseball player).
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
They underestimate the *magic*.
"Huston, you're hot!'' said first baseman Dan Johnson, dressed as a bottle of mustard.
They just don't know
They haven’t been Touched by the Magic of the Unicorn.
The candy and the baseball all night long: )
by Englishmajor on Apr 17, 2008 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Here's a recap of the Sabean vs. Beane article:
- “Sabean is a better GM than Beane”
- “Here’s a list of 12 reasons why my opinion is false”
- ...
- QED.
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The best part of the Cohn article that FJM didn't even hammer was...
...the part when they evaluate the badness of the AJ Crapzynski trade. Cohn says Joe Nathan (a pretty good closer) and two others…leaving out the part that the other 2 included a Johan Santana clone and a reasonably reliable innings eater who is off to a good start this year.
They're still working out some kinks in the cloning process.
"I'm going to take a camera crew and march into Billy Beane's office and demand to know why instituting his newfangled cost-saving measures means that the run manufacturing plant had to get shut down." FJM
he basically delivered them 1 playoff season already
He was the difference that year for them. (along with Nathan of course…and Bonser that year no doubt).
But we’ll see—give Liriano til next year for final judgement.
As suggested by 74mk's link above
the new annual edition of the Forbes Business of Baseball series is out. Here’s the sortable value/revenue/debt/profit table. The A’s are 26th in franchise value ($323m), but 12th in one-year value increase, at 11%. The franchise is now worth close to double what Wolffish bought it for in 2005.
The A’s are 20th in operating income, at $15.4 million for ‘07. All but one of the less profitable* teams are higher revenue franchises. Interesting. More reading to be done.
A wealth of info here, I’ll probably have more to say after I get a chance to read and absorb it.
There is an A in Whimsy.
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Apr 17, 2008 12:22 PM PDT reply actions
the Mets have a 97% debt/value ratio?!?
That’s one ass-pensive new stadium.
And what in the world are the Dodgers leveraged so highly (61%) for? All the other highly leveraged teams are either in process of building new stadia, or have put up new stadia within the last 15 years or so (Texas and Baltimore, though, are at the outer edge of that qualification).
And what did we do once we discovered a rift in the fourth dimension? We launched a monkey into it. @('.')@
I prefer "ass-pensive"
And what did we do once we discovered a rift in the fourth dimension? We launched a monkey into it. @('.')@
Frank McCourt
He went into debt up to his eyeballs to buy the Dodgers.
{Jeff Loria shakes his head condescendingly}
And what did we do once we discovered a rift in the fourth dimension? We launched a monkey into it. @('.')@
fascinating
the Angels earned $0.2M less EBITDA profit than the A’s last year.
And what did we do once we discovered a rift in the fourth dimension? We launched a monkey into it. @('.')@
it's what a Cockney mother says when her son acts up and sinks his canines into her husband
And what did we do once we discovered a rift in the fourth dimension? We launched a monkey into it. @('.')@
That's revenue sharing at work
Taken at face value, mean operating income is $183 million. Deduct stadium-related expenses and then multiply that figure by 31%, and that’s the number that gets sent in for revenue sharing. Let’s say that a team’s typical expense is $10 million. That makes it (183-10)*.31 = 53.6 million paid in. Any team who pays in more than that will lose their amount above 53.6 million. A team who pays in less will be guaranteed to get a refund that when put together with their contribution would equal 53.6 million. For now I’m not including luxury tax payments as they complicate things further.
Revenue outside the 31% contribution is the team’s to keep.
also from Forbes ...
... and their Youngest Billionaires feature: Joe Blanton has a very rich (and Pynchonesque) German doppelganger:
And what did we do once we discovered a rift in the fourth dimension? We launched a monkey into it. @('.')@
Terminology question:
What does “operating income” denote?
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
Operating Income
Simple: Income from Operations
But to answer it in a more understandable way, Non-Operating income is income from a sale of an existing asset (i.e., buildings, coliseums, the stomper costume etc.), investing, and finance activities that are not part of the companies normal day-to-day sales. Usually non-recurring things. If the A’s were to sell Chavez for $1M then they would list that sale as non-operating income.
Operating Income is therefore revenue that occurs from normal business: ticket sales, food vendor revenue, tv rights earnings, etc. less operating expenses (food cost, ticket person salaries, Billy Beane’s penchant for flights to watch soccer games in Europe on the company dime, etc.)
No Harden and No Chavez make the A's go, something something...
Per their footnote
Operating income is annual earnings (total revenues minus all expenses) before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization. It doesn’t factor in longer-term asset appreciation. And debt is handled differently, since MLB allows some kinds of stadia-related debt to be deducted from a team’s revenue for purposes of revenue sharing calculations, not a small consideration for some clubs. So operating income can be seen as operating profit, with a bunch of caveats.
Besides the wealth-creating power of asset appreciation, the other part that’s not well captured in Forbes’ data (or anyone else’s, really) is the large amount of franchise-driven revenue and profit which doesn’t make it onto the books, like the various regional programming networks like YES and NESN, or cable properties like WGN and TBS, which make tons of money enabled-by but not directly ascribed to the baseball team to which they’re linked.
There is an A in Whimsy.
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Apr 17, 2008 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
and the Cubs' self-dealing, owned-and-operated scalping operation
And what did we do once we discovered a rift in the fourth dimension? We launched a monkey into it. @('.')@
for all Forbes' fiscal numeracy ...
... they’re remarkably SABR-illiterate.
And what did we do once we discovered a rift in the fourth dimension? We launched a monkey into it. @('.')@
For all the good work that Forbes does here,
keep in mind these numbers don’t really indicate the value of RSN’s to the teams.
They don’t really measure the value of YES to the Yankees, NESN to the RS, SNY to the Mets, MASN to the Orioles, and that Rogers owns the BJs.
ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524
Greatest GM quote ever?
Or sad glimpse into the mind of a man who’s become detached from reality?
“Fact of the matter is that [Tejada] plays like he’s 25, so I don’t think it really matters a whole lot,” [Astros GM Ed] Wade told the newspaper.
"Looks like you brought two too many."
i wonder what wade would say if he was caught with an underage girl...
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
would he quote a Joan Didion title?
And what did we do once we discovered a rift in the fourth dimension? We launched a monkey into it. @('.')@
I thought she was on the Golden Girls, I swear
No Harden and No Chavez make the A's go, something something...
I think what he would say is
“Fact of the matter is that she plays like she’s 25, so I don’t think it matters a whole lot.”
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
LOL?
two jokes i have been making since like 2002:
-tejada is on steroids (he looks like he’s on steroids)
-tejada is old (he looks old)
at the time i never thought they were both really true. damn, that’s kind of sad. whatever, i still love the guy…
20 game winning streak!
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
Maybe he should be on that TLC show "10 Years Younger"...
...or is that “12 Years…”
"[Moneyball] is huge [in Japan], I guess, so I'm like a David Hasselhoff type or something..." -- Billy Beane
by FormerHuntsvilleStar on Apr 17, 2008 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions
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"Hasn’t the foggiest inclination toward winning ‘tall. Hates to win. Likes to be buggered."
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was done like this:
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I tried using span at first, instead of p, but that didn’t work. So I guess you can make a whole colored paragraph, but can’t insert a colored word into a normal paragraph?
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Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
rotoworld:
Miguel Tejada celebrated his two birthdays going 3-for-4 with a home run Thursday against the Phillies.
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
omg
video on espn right now of an E:60 interview with tejada.
first he says he’s 32 and was born in 1976, then he walks out after being shown papers with his real age…
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
{uploads video of interview confronting asfanatic911 with his IP address}
And what did we do once we discovered a rift in the fourth dimension? We launched a monkey into it. @('.')@
His real name?
Eric Chavez
And what did we do once we discovered a rift in the fourth dimension? We launched a monkey into it. @('.')@
I thought it was...
...Druggy McCantplaynomore.
Notes From The Nat has a new home: http://www.natnotes.com
no, that's the name on Chavez' Mexican birth certificate
And what did we do once we discovered a rift in the fourth dimension? We launched a monkey into it. @('.')@
Isn't ANYone gonna wish him Happy Birthdays?
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
So...
tonight’s game ISN’T on CSN like the A’s website says? Looks like the Sharks are on – are the A’s on CSN+?
Can we keep small-sample-size Bobby Crosby? Please? -Joey C.
Darn it!
I was all set for a relaxing night of baseball. Apparently it’s on after the hockey game (so 930-10? why bother?). We don’t get CSN+ over here and half the time that it’s supposed to be on KICU it’s not on our version of it. This season is ridiculously undertelevised!
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