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White Sox in a Coma

The A's win the game tonight, 2-1, with Greg Smith picking up the win and the former Royals Mike Sweeney and Emil Brown enjoying playing against their former rivals in the Southsiders.  Kurt Suzuki had a career high four hits.  The Sox made it interesting in the ninth, but a key foul tip catch on a strike out by Suzuki followed by a weak ground out to Huston Street by Joe Crede, ended the game.

Yes, Greg Smith was pretty beautiful tonight.  Seven innings pitched, six hits and only one earned run. He did it with all kinds of tricks.  Everything from a deadly change up away to a nasty pickoff move that bordered on a balk twice, once on former Athletic Nick Swisher and one on the other former Athletic Jermaine Dye.  Smith was remarkably impressive particularly in the second inning when Buck wound up losing a ball out of his glove that he probably should've caught (granted it was a tough diving catch, but he almost dove too far) and Barton committed a brutal error on a Quentin ball dribbling up the first base line.  He was also nasty in the bottom of the fourth when he struck out Thome, Konerko and got Dye to pop up.  Smith very much reminds me of Jamie Moyer because he lives on the outer half of the plate and relies on fastball, change and a nice cutter.  Course he throws a bit harder than Moyer ever dreamed of throwing. 

Nick Swisher was pumped to face his former team as he was on base three out of four times, scored a run and nearly tied the game with a shot that almost got out but was flagged down by Chris Denorfia.

But Mike Sweeney obviously liked coming back to Chicago and facing his former AL Central rivals as he scored both runs for the A's.  You can't say enough about Suzuki this game though.  His pitch calling was stellar, he had four hits and made a HUGE play by catching a ball that Carlos Quentin tipped for the strikeout with two men on and one out in the ninth.  Suzuki was brilliant and for all the pub that Barton and Buck have gotten going into the season, Suzuki has been the true stellar youngster out of the gate for this young squad.

I did want to say that I didn't really understand the A's continuing to try and bunt in the top of the ninth inning with Jack Hannahan even with two strikes.  I understood the thinking prior to him going down 1-2, but once he was down 1-2 and judging from how poor he looked trying to even make contact for a bunt, you have to pull the sign off at that junction.  You probably would've had the same result as the strikeout that happened, but I just think that a manager has to pay attention to how the batter looks trying to bunt.  Especially once it gets to two strikes.

Travis Buck once again looked lost again at the plate, but that could be that he was just facing a tough lefty in Buerhle.  I liked Double Bonanza Buck better than the Clueless Buck we saw tonight.

One of the interesting things about living outside of the A's media market is that I now get the other teams announcers waaaaaaay too often.  And without a doubt, Hawk Harrelson is the king of all idiots when it comes to play-by-play.  He was yelling, "Get up, get up" when Swisher hit his ball to the wall off Santiago Casilla.  He constantly refers to his team as "us" and "we".  Yo, douche lord, you aren't on the field.  It's like Rex Hudler who sits in the broadcast booth holding a baseball during his work.  I'm just glad I didn't have to hear his moronic "You can put it on the board" home run call tonight.  Thank you, A's pitching for that.

I still can't believe how well this young team is pitching and these aren't even supposed to be the "stars" the A's got in the trades.  That falls more to Gio Gonzalez and Brett Anderson.  Yet, here they go and here we are.  I'm going to get in that spaceship and ride while it lasts (thank you, Englishmajor).

 

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That was neat.

stat-addled alien overlord

by salb918 on Apr 14, 2008 8:09 PM PDT   0 recs

Hmmmmm

That was almost too easy.

by Blez on Apr 14, 2008 8:14 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

LOL

All right, that's it, back to the basement with you.

And yes, I know, that IS what she said.

by Blez on Apr 14, 2008 8:17 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

That's what she said!

I just wanted to join in on the fun.

A's WIN!!

Green Hulk Fists

by oaklandSMASH on Apr 14, 2008 8:20 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Jackyl said it best- DIRTY LITTLE MIND

"Derek Lowe is an ass."
-ohtobe21likehuston

by ohtobe21likehuston on Apr 14, 2008 8:19 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Nice summation, Blez.

This team is hella fun to watch even if they did only score 2 runs. We may all be surprised this year.

"Derek Lowe is an ass."
-ohtobe21likehuston

by ohtobe21likehuston on Apr 14, 2008 8:20 PM PDT   0 recs

Hella?

Are you pretending to be from NorCal now?

Can we keep small-sample-size Bobby Crosby? Please? -Joey C.

by pam5981 on Apr 14, 2008 9:52 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Awesome!!

Can we keep it?

Green Hulk Fists

by oaklandSMASH on Apr 14, 2008 8:25 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Shhh.

Don't tell anyone.

by Jennifer on Apr 14, 2008 8:27 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

That's right Blez

make sure you mention the White Sox "have to play the team with the best record in the American League" now ....

VacaAsFan

by Vacafan on Apr 14, 2008 8:51 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

lol

Blez is becoming a believer... reluctantly. He just knew the Angels were better because everybody said so. And, he lives down in SoCal now, so he believes the hype.

Go A's!

by FoolshGame22 on Apr 14, 2008 10:34 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

oh, and, bear88, too...

not going to let him off the hook.

Foolsh, the most insane regular poster on AN since oaktoon left - salb

by FoolshGame22 on Apr 14, 2008 11:21 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

great fun watching Smith, Suzuki and the KC guys

but that top of ninth bunt stuff was f-ugly

by OaklandSi on Apr 14, 2008 8:23 PM PDT   0 recs

Typical SoCal Fan

No credit for a great game plan by the staff. Instead the Grand Poobah of An calls it :"tricks".

by bamaA'sfan on Apr 14, 2008 8:27 PM PDT   0 recs

I really, really am getting attached to this team

How much fun is it right now? These guys are really playing like a team. Well, except for the bunting part.

Prince: This bores me. Is anyone up for a game of basketball?

by baseb3383 on Apr 14, 2008 8:27 PM PDT   0 recs

More Money for Korach's Foundation!

If you haven't signed up yet as a contributer, it's time to get on board. Just put your name on this list.
Let's get at least one additional new contributer per victory. C'mon!

by SportySpice on Apr 14, 2008 8:28 PM PDT   0 recs

Street looked odd too

He was completely and totally terrible for the first three batters - slider bouncing on infield grass, no life on fastball, control MIA. Then after the mound visit it was like a switch went on, the slider started biting, and the inning was over.

by MrIncognito on Apr 14, 2008 8:30 PM PDT   0 recs

Eh

He struck out Konerko and looked fine doing that. (Konerko didn’t… I’d be surprised if he’s starting tomorrow.)

The only really bad pitch was the hanger that Dye smacked for a single. He was wild on a few others (although actually not the Pierzynski pitch—he turned into that one) but his slider was clearly devastating given the number of swingthroughs he had.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Apr 14, 2008 11:27 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I have a scary feeling...

That the good pitching this year is going to take a similar course to the good pitching early last year.

We'll enjoy it while it lasts, I guess!

by RenoTy on Apr 14, 2008 8:33 PM PDT   0 recs

The difference being...

We're winning THESE games.

Not so much last year.

So, bring on Bonds! Or, not... then, bring back Langerhans!! -One won lost one

by baseballgirl on Apr 14, 2008 9:13 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Consider it enjoyed. :)

Please Oh Please oh please let it stick around until... let's say.... October. :)

by Gromit1025 on Apr 14, 2008 8:37 PM PDT   0 recs

Smith has been so good.

This is so much fun.

by IM4Oakgal on Apr 14, 2008 8:38 PM PDT   0 recs

Nice recap

Seriously, weren't CarGon and GioGon supposed to be the studs in the offseason trades? Eveland and Smith seemed to be the after thoughts, and they are playing so well. I can't wait until they all mature a little bit. I think that is the most exciting part of the team playing so well, the top "talent" still isn't with the club yet.

Its funny that 25 yr old Street seems old.....

How long can Suzuki keep this up?

by Cochran86 on Apr 14, 2008 8:38 PM PDT   0 recs

Looks like Stew

Away back when, when the world was young, baseball was young, and even I was young(ish), the A's had a castoff pitcher named Dave Stewart. If he survived the first inning, it seems like the win was guaranteed.

Street looks like that. Get him past the the first two batters (generally), and he's dominant. It's those first two ...(or three)

by As Fan in the Bronx on Apr 14, 2008 8:45 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Street doesn't remind me of stewie.

Recently, He is reminding me of a few closers I would prefer to forget. But he got the save, so it's all good.

by IM4Oakgal on Apr 14, 2008 8:51 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Street gives me nightmares everytime...

he comes into a game. I’d ratther see Embree close things out. And, he’s a gascan waiting to happen, so that’s saying a lot.

Foolsh, the most insane regular poster on AN since oaktoon left - salb

by FoolshGame22 on Apr 14, 2008 10:55 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Wow. That's pretty bad.

Since, you know, Embree can’t get righties out.

by mikev on Apr 15, 2008 9:13 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Another big hit by Emil Brown tonight

But someone will surely mention how much they hate him, and how much he sucks, and how stupid the A's are for keepin' him .... idiots.

VacaAsFan

by Vacafan on Apr 14, 2008 8:56 PM PDT   0 recs

I still say it.

One hit every night only guarantees that you'll never be no-hit... other than that it still means a low OBP and a very low OPS.

"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra

by brenarlo on Apr 14, 2008 9:17 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Could you list the top 5 A's OPS for me?

Where does Brown fall on the list? Also, please explain to me why those lower than Brown don't get the grief he does ... I can't speak for you, but I guarantee you that the reason many AN'ers profess their hatred for Brown is because a couple stat-geeks on this site decided they don't like him, and the masses followed them off the cliff.
I'm not a huge Emil Brown fan, but I root for him because he's come up with some big hits already this year ... just wondering how an A's fan could hate someone after 14 friggin' games.

VacaAsFan

by Vacafan on Apr 14, 2008 10:15 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I suspect two factors are at play,

one more fair than the other:

1. His baserunning blunder on Opening Night (unfair - it was one play, ever)

2. He has no long-term efficacy - he is true mid-90s type "filler" that screams "we're not serious about being anything more than OK!" (fair - when the A's are contenders, you'll know it because there will be no room for players like Emil Brown).

But the guy has not only done a good job, he has done well in precisely the ways we have been craving - contact with a guy at third and one out, hits with RISP, makes our lineup better against LHP, etc.

So wheydaluv indeed?

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Apr 14, 2008 10:19 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

dude... I hate to tell you this...

but, the A's are contenders. They own the best record in the AL. I know, you and Blez and Monkeyball thinks that's going to change. It's not.

Foolsh, the most insane regular poster on AN since oaktoon left - salb

by FoolshGame22 on Apr 14, 2008 10:44 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

thinks=think, of course

Foolsh, the most insane regular poster on AN since oaktoon left - salb

by FoolshGame22 on Apr 14, 2008 10:57 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Wanna bet?

:)

There is an A in Whimsy.

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Apr 15, 2008 8:43 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

actually, you misread me

I basically argued that the A’s will contend through Juy and August, then fade down the stretch.

And as I said, if Lackey and Vlad both miss significant time, the division is up for grabs.

And what did we do once we discovered a rift in the fourth dimension? We launched a monkey into it. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Apr 15, 2008 9:27 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

And in Spring Training I predicted an 86 win season

That’s considered optimistic by most accounts.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Apr 15, 2008 7:55 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

more optimistic than me

And what did we do once we discovered a rift in the fourth dimension? We launched a monkey into it. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Apr 16, 2008 2:28 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Settle down...

His OPS is .661. That is 7th on the team among players with over 20 ABs. The reason I mentioned him was because you mentioned him first.

Just because i think he's a bad to very bad player doesn't mean i don't want him to do well in Oakland. Just the opposite... I want him to be fighting for the AL MVP with Buck, Ellis, and Barton. I just don't think it'll happen and I think he's lucky for getting the so-called "big" hits.

Put it this way. If Brown hit the ball in other ABs maybe he doesn't need to come through in the "clutch".

Also, why should he be hitting poorly when we could have a younger player hitting poorly? At the very least Brown should be coming off the bench.

"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra

by brenarlo on Apr 14, 2008 10:22 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Brown

The dude hits LHP : Career 114 OPS+ vs. LHP - (Large Sample Size - Correct me if I'm wrong, but that is the best on the current 25-Man Roster). I agree in part...Emil Brown shouldn't be playing against RHP he can't handle (or hasn't handled in the past).

2008 vs. LHP - .318/.348/.500 (sss)
2008 w/ RISP - .444/.545/.778 (sss)

He's earned the right to start vs. LHP ... He should also PH vs. LHP late in games. Spot start him vs. RHP he's held his own with in the past. That should equal about 400 AB's. This is a good thing, IMO. When CarGon is ready, Beane can deal Emil Brown to a team w/ a need.

Are the A's any better than 6-8 w/o Emil Brown? I don't think they are.

by Colorado Fan on Apr 14, 2008 10:37 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

To clarify,

that 114 number you are getting is not OPS+.

Emil Brown has a tOPS+ of 114 against LHP, and a tOPS+ of 93 against RHP. Yet, his overall OPS+ is 89. Doesn’t pass the smell test, if tOPS+ is OPS+.

It’s not. Basically what tOPS+ means in Emil Brown’s case, is that he is 14 percent better against LHP relative to EMIL BROWN’s average OPS. NOT relative to league average.

ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524

by rfloh on Apr 15, 2008 12:01 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

THE MOON OR BUST!

The candy and the baseball all night long: )

by Englishmajor on Apr 14, 2008 8:56 PM PDT   0 recs

woohoo!

spaceship! spaceship! spaceship!

stat-addled alien overlord

by salb918 on Apr 14, 2008 9:03 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

how old is he?

Foolsh, the most insane regular poster on AN since oaktoon left - salb

by FoolshGame22 on Apr 14, 2008 10:49 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

No idea

He’s the child of someone who posts their family photos on the Internet with labels like “spaceship cardboard box”.

The candy and the baseball all night long: )

by Englishmajor on Apr 14, 2008 11:28 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

ahhh...

I’ll have to give Galt his own spaceship cardboard box and dress him in all his A’s gear. I think that’ll be a hit on AN.

Foolsh, the most insane regular poster on AN since oaktoon left - salb

by FoolshGame22 on Apr 14, 2008 11:36 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

you should let him make his own ...

... then, when you start trying to impose safety and social conditions on his design, he can blow it up.

(I know, I know, mixing characters/books.)

And what did we do once we discovered a rift in the fourth dimension? We launched a monkey into it. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Apr 15, 2008 9:30 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The A's are funkadelic, baby

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Apr 15, 2008 4:36 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Interesting things about the game

Greg Smith could be one of those finesse pitchers whom the league figures out after a while. Then again, he could be Tom Glavine. Or Kenny Rogers with that pickoff move. It's hard to tell. But the White Sox kept getting fooled by the same stuff, which either means that changeup is really good or nobody in the American League has adjusted yet. I'm betting on the latter, and there are plenty of elite pitchers who make a really good living on a great changeup and good composure.

-- Suzuki isn't going to continue at his current, ridiculous pace. But he doesn't need to do so. He's doing just about everything you can ask.

-- I still like Swisher a lot, even though he almost beat the A's by himself.

-- It's lucky the White Sox kept swinging at Street's off-the-plate stuff.

-- Mike Sweeney can still hit.

by bear88 on Apr 14, 2008 8:59 PM PDT   0 recs

Lucky Or Very Good (Street)?

Laying off Street's Breaking Stuff is hard to do (For tonight at least). The Slider looks like a fastball for about 58 ft. It had great late break. Tough for Righthanders to layoff.

by Colorado Fan on Apr 14, 2008 9:54 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Credit where credit is due, man

Street kept throwing the slider because the Sox kept swinging at it.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen consecutive batters swing and miss at the exact same pitch five times before, but they did it…

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Apr 14, 2008 11:14 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Credit...

And also b/c Suzuki kept calling for it.

by sec119 on Apr 14, 2008 11:50 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Except

anyone vs. Mariano Rivera in the late 90s early 2000s

by Future Ed on Apr 15, 2008 5:38 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Good point

I should have said offspeed pitch.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Apr 15, 2008 8:05 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Taking shots at Rex Hudler

Thank jeebus he's been (mostly) relegated to radio-- the man is the living embodiment of a golden retriever:

*orange colouring
*ALWAYS HAS BALL
*goofy/happy
*BALL BALL BALL
*somewhat lacking in, shall we say, acuity?
*WANNA PLAY BALL (pant pant, drool)

Living in Angel territory I have to say.. I hate them a lot less when Rex doesn't participate in the broadcast.

by woosht on Apr 14, 2008 9:05 PM PDT   0 recs

Hahahahahaha

that was soooooooo perfect.

So, bring on Bonds! Or, not... then, bring back Langerhans!! -One won lost one

by baseballgirl on Apr 14, 2008 9:15 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Completely agree

As a matter of fact, I was so excited at the beginning of the year with the other two on the broadcast that I emailed Rev Halofan and asked him if they finally got rid of Physioc and Hudler. Sadly, he informed me that they would just be alternating radio and TV. I can't imagine what Hudler would be like on radio. He's painful enough on TV.

by Blez on Apr 14, 2008 10:02 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

totally agree about the announcers

Man, those guys were AWFUL! I was figuring that someone would post a fan thread, but nice to see the issue getting some top billing.

I can’t believe the announcers used “We” and were basically the two drunk guys behind you in the stands yelling and he-hawing. Did they offer real analysis? Nope, just fans watching the game. Terrible job. You couldn’t even tell what was going on on the field whenever there was a hit.

It's just more exciting with Billy Beane running the team.

by ru155 on Apr 15, 2008 6:48 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

and

how about Suzuki's handling of the pitching staff-- what a great move to clear out Kendall (even though I loved having him on the squad) last year and get Suzuki some experience-- he's calling great games and getting awesome performances from the new guys as well.

by woosht on Apr 14, 2008 9:10 PM PDT   0 recs

buck looks like a guy

who should (for now) be sitting against lefties, or at least hitting down in the order...way down.

by skutch on Apr 14, 2008 9:12 PM PDT   0 recs

His decisions and demeanor at the plate could use some work.

The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on Apr 14, 2008 9:17 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

agreed, which is why it would seem wise

to drop him in the order, take him out of the limelight, take some pressure off him to be the straw that stirs the drink...

by skutch on Apr 14, 2008 9:22 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Or give him a ski mask,

so no one can see his poor demeanor.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Apr 14, 2008 9:24 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Wait, did someone say "mattress" to Mr. Lambert?

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Apr 14, 2008 9:28 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Those moves to first were things of beauty.

Typically, ESPN completely ignored them, at least on SportsCenter. BB2N on later.

The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on Apr 14, 2008 9:16 PM PDT   0 recs

Over at the Giants game

Yabu is pitching, reasonably well, and just got crapped on by a pigeon.

The candy and the baseball all night long: )

by Englishmajor on Apr 14, 2008 9:20 PM PDT   0 recs

Somebody tell ESPN, so they can get a shot of Matsuzaka!

The reason I think Smith could maintain his success, rather than being one of those guys the league figures out, is that his reputation is for being a thinking man's pitcher - he has good enough stuff (mostly by way of command) that if he adjusts better than the league he'll be fine. He seems to have that poise/style. There's a reason the A's liked this guy - and he was only a "throw-in" in the way Mark Ellis was a throw-in in the Johnny Damon deal - maybe a throw-in from the other team's point of view, but not from the A's.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Apr 14, 2008 9:24 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs