Los Kirk is back

by LogicRules on Apr 14, 2008 2:33 PM PDT Comment 48 comments

It was inevitable, but Fernando Hernandez has been designated for assignment and Kirk Saarloos, he of the ridiculously low K rates (115 K in 305 innings with the A's), is back. At least, Saarloos won't be starting. As you can tell, I am not a big fan of Saarloos or any other pitcher with super low K rates.

What do you think? Obviously, Hernandez did not distinguish himself. To be fair to him, though, it's not like he had regular work until recently.

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...and he sucked in that regular work

Love this move. Need Saarloos for long relief during this loooooooong week, with a bunch of new pitchers.

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by baseballgirl on Apr 14, 2008 2:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

link?

Hernandez was Rule V right? He has to be returned now or traded for?

by mrrickyg on Apr 14, 2008 2:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Yea, how can they DFA him?

Unless the Chisox refused him?

by mikev on Apr 14, 2008 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Where's PaulThomas to explain the rules when you need him?

by mrrickyg on Apr 14, 2008 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

There's no way he could be DFA'd

I know that much - a Rule 5 selection has to be offered back to his original team.

by mikev on Apr 14, 2008 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

The player is first placed on waivers

If another club claims him, they get him with the same obligation to keep him on the 25-man roster all season.

I believe this is how the Twins acquired Johan Santana. The Devil Rays had taken him in the Rule 5 draft (from Houston), but when they decided not to keep him, the Twins claimed him on waivers.

by Soaker on Apr 14, 2008 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I thought it was the other way around

1. Player gets offered back to original team
2. Player can be waived, any team that claims must keep him on the 25 man as a Rule 5er
3. If player clears, he can be kept by the team that took him ( i.e. Oakland) and sent down

by mikev on Apr 14, 2008 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

No...this is from Cot's

The drafting club must keep the player on its 25-man active roster for all of the next season or put him on waivers. If a third club claims the player on waivers, the third club also must keep him in the majors all season. If the player clears waivers, he must be offered back to his original club for $25,000. A drafting club may work out a trade with the player’s original club so that the drafting club can keep him and send him to the minor leagues.

My memory on Santana was bad. It was the Marlins who took him in the Rule 5 draft and they traded him to Minnesota.

by Soaker on Apr 14, 2008 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Who cares?

Goodbye Hernandez...and don't let the door hit ya on the way out.

by IM4Oakgal on Apr 14, 2008 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

After 3 outings?

Might as well DFA Embree too. It is far too soon in the season to make a decision like this.

And why would the A's waste a spot on the 40 man roster for Saarloos instead of just calling up Meyer?

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by franks a lot on Apr 14, 2008 3:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

dfa meyer too

"It's like déjà vu all over again." -yogi berra

by Cheezombie on Apr 14, 2008 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Probably because Meyer is still in extended spring training

Oh, and he's not good.

by mikev on Apr 14, 2008 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

yeah he's like a bad version on zito

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by Cheezombie on Apr 14, 2008 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

isn't that Zito?

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by mikeA on Apr 14, 2008 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

- $134 million

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by xbhaskarx on Apr 14, 2008 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Pretty sure Meyer pitched for Sac a couple days ago.

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by grover on Apr 14, 2008 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

hernandez

was absolutely terrible. it's not too soon by any means. the a's need all 12 guys, and it was the easiest call to make.

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by flipgatey3 on Apr 14, 2008 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah

looked absolutely AWFUL against Cleveland. Besides, A’s haven’t been good with Rule V the last few times (Jay Marshall bombed last year, and Mike Neu didn’t do much either).

by muffinpryde on Apr 15, 2008 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Because Meyer is god awful.

Anyone but please.

But seriously, do you want up throwing long relief and not getting regular work? Wouldnt make sense to stick him in that role.

Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Apr 14, 2008 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

LINK?

by HRH on Apr 14, 2008 3:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Sacramento's Rotation

Who gets his spot in Sacramento's rotation?

Sometimes life will strike you out on a curve ball and the only choice you have is to flip off the umpire and walk to first base anyway.

by Threepwood XX on Apr 14, 2008 3:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

stomper

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by Cheezombie on Apr 14, 2008 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Trunk

And what did we do once we discovered a rift in the fourth dimension? We launched a monkey into it. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Apr 14, 2008 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

harry

by mrrickyg on Apr 14, 2008 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Peanuts

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by Cheezombie on Apr 14, 2008 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well if it is going to happen, it has to happen

soon, it is only 2 hours till game time.

by theblackpearl on Apr 14, 2008 3:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Charlie Finley's Donkey

by mrrickyg on Apr 14, 2008 3:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

im bad at threading

by mrrickyg on Apr 14, 2008 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

fail

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by flipgatey3 on Apr 14, 2008 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

fail

by muffinpryde on Apr 15, 2008 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Seriously, where'd you hear/see this?

Must have been on the radio. There's nothing online yet that I could find.

If true, I don't mind the move. Hernandez didn't show much, even in limited time. He didn't look like he would show much, given extended time. And with all these youngsters starting and DiNardo no longer available for long relief, we're probably going to need someone to eat 4 or 5 innings in a game sometime soon.

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by HigherPie on Apr 14, 2008 3:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

yeah i wasn't impressed by hernandez at all

I don't know why they put him in those situations.

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by Cheezombie on Apr 14, 2008 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

He was used twice in junk time

and once when virtually no one else was available. (And if you don't think the end of yesterday's game was junk time, you weren't watching it.)

It would be difficult to come up with LESS relevant situations to insert him. He pitched 3 times in 2 weeks. Maybe not quite Witasick-esque, but pretty close.

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by PaulThomas on Apr 14, 2008 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

When we're already losing 7-2

:-)

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by Cheezombie on Apr 14, 2008 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Marty and Korach just confirmed this on the pregame

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by HigherPie on Apr 14, 2008 4:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

yes and they confirmed the DFA

my guess is you can DFA before returning to the original team to give you time to work out a trade with the original team, allowing you to send to minors.

by mrrickyg on Apr 14, 2008 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

See above

Other teams have a chance to, as it were, take up the Rule 5 burden before the player is offered back to his original club.

I suppose it's even possible that the original club could claim the player on waivers (to prevent other teams lower in the waiver order from doing so) and thus have a player that they, in effect, Rule 5 drafted from themselves!

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by PaulThomas on Apr 14, 2008 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

re

Kinda sad to see Hernandez go, but viva Los Kirk~ One of my favorite A's ever. And with Gaudin, DiNardo, and Smith (and probably Eveland), the A's need a competent long guy.

by 31Boots on Apr 14, 2008 4:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I know Kirk isn't very good

But I kinda like the guy and am not exactly upset he's taking the last bullpen spot. I hope he does well.

I also hope the A's find a way to keep Hernandez, because he's still young and has potential.

Speaking of DFAs, Dan Johnson wasn't claimed by anybody it seems. I guess he'll be playing Sacramento soon.

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by thejd44 on Apr 14, 2008 4:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

It has only been 5 days, there arer 5 days left for DJ.

by theblackpearl on Apr 14, 2008 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

DFA period is 10 days

He may not be out of limbo until Friday or Saturday.

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by PaulThomas on Apr 14, 2008 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I like him, too

I see he and Lenny DiNardo as essentially mirror images of each other, but Kirk will always have that 10-win season when he was the best 5th starter in the league. Plus, for some arbitrary reason, I feel more comfortable with a sinker specialist than with a slop-baller who throws everything up to and including the kitchen sink at the batter.

by Joey C. on Apr 14, 2008 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs