Game 12 Wrap: Only 2 Doubles...yet the A's still win: 7-3
by Taj Adib on Apr 12, 2008 7:52 PM PDT
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3.1 - that's they key statistic so far for the A's in Cleveland as they nabbed another win tonight in a cold Eastern city to run their season-high winning streak to 5 games. 3.1, as in the amount of innings the A's have "allowed" each Cleveland ace - CC Sabathia and Fausto Carmona - to pitch against them in back-to-back nights.
The Green and Gold didn't exactly hammer Carmona tonight as they did Sabathia last night, and yet, patient as always, they drew 8 walks against Fausto and scratched out 3 runs in the first 3 innings en route to running his pitch count up and forcing him out of the game early. While the A's offense worked their magic, DiNardo did his: keeping Cleveland hitters off-balance for 5+ innings, giving up hits (and 2 runs) but quickly limiting damage by inducing groundball outs - 12 in all, which is just amazing. He also struck out three and didn't walk anybody. All in all, it was about as effective an outing as we could imagine coming from our 7th starter.
The Cleveland offense looked to be on the verge of exploding after loading the bases with a couple of singles and a walk with one out in the bottom of the 6th. Joey Devine came in to relieve and after striking out Peralta , he walked David Delluci to plate a run for the Tribe. Joey eventually settled down to get a grounder to end the inning. Threat mitigated.
The A's offense would then put the game out of reach in the top of the 7th. Daric Barton and Mike Sweeney led off the inning with back-to-back singles against lefty Rafael Perez, and, then Geren, actually MANAGING for once, pinch-hit Emil Brown in place of Jack Cust, simultaneously getting the desired righty-lefty batting matchup AND improving the outfield defense for the late innings. The move paid immediate dividends as Brown stroked a belt-high, 90mph fastball into center for an RBI single. HAT TIP to our resident baseball strategist Bob Geren! Then Bobby Crosby came up and got the exact same first-pitch as Emil did and absolutely crushed it, sending it into the cheap seats in left-field for a 3-run shot - his first of the year - that put the A's ahead 7-2.
The bullpen finally got through the late innings without major drama, as Embree blew away the Tribe in a flawless 7th inning and Andrew Brown, despite giving up a late run, held the Tribe in check for the last two innings to help keep Foulke, Street and Casilla rested for tomorrow's finale.
The environment is certainly ripe for an A's sweep, as the Tribe's bullpen is taxed now after having to chew 12 innings over the past two games while the Green and Gold relievers are largely well-rested. Chad Gaudin will look to rebound from his ineffective first start tomorrow as he faces off against Cliff Lee.
On the bad news front: Ryan Sweeney left the game early with a muscle-strain in his leg. Hope this one isn't serious, but we all know how those "strains" can turn into lengthy DL stints when they are treated by Larry Davis and Company...
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Watching the M's-Angels' game
and for the 2nd straight night, the M's have their #2 hitter sac bunt with Ichiro on 2nd and no one out in the middle innings with a lead.
If you don't trust a guy to at least hit a grounder to the right side in that situation, don't bat him 2nd. That kind of stuff could make me scream if the A's were dumb enough to do it.
And Taj, excellent wrap, especially your highlighting Brown PHing for Cust.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Apr 12, 2008 8:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I guess Squinty (I think that's what he's called on LL)
feels like he has to prove he has the "fundamentals" of the game down cold. Of course, at the time of said bunt, the M's already were leading 6-3 with a run in that inning. After the bunt, Scioscia had Ibanez intentionally walked, then Beltre whiffed and Vidro flied out, so their grasp of the "fundamentals" led to 0 more runs.
"Evidently, a large number of people said, 'We really need more vermin at the ballpark, Artie.'" - Nick (AN), 10/7/07
by doctorK on Apr 12, 2008 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
what on earth does Taj mean...
by saying that Geren is managing for once? Jeez the A's are 8-4, I suppose he is managing enough. Thanks for bringing down a good win with your sarcastic tone. You SUCK!!!
by GoAsGo on Apr 13, 2008 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you'd have to credit Geren
with pretty much a "perfect game" tonight, making important good calls hitting E. Brown for Cust, and not asking Crosby to bunt, in the 7th and utilizing the little bullpen he had properly.
Right now, the A's are in a zone where they can do no wrong in the end - ride it while you can, because baseball is a slutty mistress. There's probably a better way to put that.
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by Nico on Apr 12, 2008 8:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
**chuckles**
It won't always be this fun, no. But how many terrible April's have we had to go through over the years? I'll take it, oh yeah.
by paradox on Apr 12, 2008 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fine, you sold me - I'll take it too.
The best part is, right now we're playing above-average competition without two of our top three starters. If we can handle this part of the schedule with these starters, it won't get harder.
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by Nico on Apr 12, 2008 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, Baseball is full of surprises
or, as you say, a slutty mistress...
by OaklandSi on Apr 12, 2008 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is there any other kind?
And really, who would want it/them any other way?
"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer
by alox on Apr 12, 2008 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
They haven't taken advantage of platoons much in years past, and seem to be doing it this year. Plus, Brown is one of the most likely guys on the team to get someone in from third with one out and Cust is one of the less likely. I would have liked to see some bunts earlier in the game against a high GB pitcher, but generally I'd like Geren to air on the side of not bunting, so good.
The A's colors are green and gold.
by mikeA on Apr 12, 2008 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree - on one hand, I favor
bunt, steal, hit-and-run most against pitchers like Carmona, but ultimately the A's traded a couple DPs for typical outstanding patience and strike-zone judgment, and it paid off in spades. Hitting Brown for Cust was essential, and I was afraid Geren wouldn't - it was a great call because Brown needed to be in the OF for defense anyway.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Apr 12, 2008 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What I like about Brown for Cust
is most times managers don't PH a mediocre hitter for a good hitter (or rookie for veteran etc.) even when it is the right call, because the manager is afraid of pissing off the player or the fans or something. It irritated me last year when Kielty and Buck were being platooned for the first few weeks, and Geren refused to ph Buck when a RH reliever came in.
The A's colors are green and gold.
by mikeA on Apr 12, 2008 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He also recognized that if on a good day
Cust has limited ability to "make sure to get the guy home from third," right now is just a really, really bad bet. When Cust is red hot, you let him hit there - but he isn't and we did have a better option: Super Email!
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Apr 12, 2008 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't have as big a problem with this
because it's actually really hard to get a favorable pinch-hitting matchup (except when the subbed-out batter is a pitcher).
Typically a pinch-hitter with the platoon advantage is about the same as a non-pinch-hitter withOUT the platoon advantage. Add in the fact that the pinch hitter is usually worse overall...
Sitting around on the bench is provably damaging to players' ability to hit.
Now, in this case, the point of the pinch hitter was as much to make contact with the ball as to actually get a base hit, so it was understandable.
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by PaulThomas on Apr 12, 2008 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
good point, in that the situation I outlined doesn't arise that often
for the reasons you mentioned. I do think most managers aren't aggressive enough in platooning, though.
The A's colors are green and gold.
by mikeA on Apr 12, 2008 11:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Platooning is an entirely different kettle of fish from pinch-hitting
and much more effective.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Apr 13, 2008 12:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yup all the way 'round
And what did we do once we discovered a rift in the fourth dimension? We launched a monkey into it. @('.')@
by monkeyball on Apr 12, 2008 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, Howie Kendrick is batting .484
Almost as good as major league batting leader Jason Kendall.
{gsnerk}
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by Nico on Apr 12, 2008 8:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wait - that's either
Travis Buck, Carmen Electra, or the guy who robbed my local bank last week!
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by Nico on Apr 12, 2008 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still No respect
Listening to ESPN Radio tonight, "early MLB Surprises," came up and both KC and STL were discussed first, particularly that KC would be buyers at the deadline. Oakland didn't even make it into the discussion.....
Its strangely satisfying.....
by Cochran86 on Apr 12, 2008 8:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Because it's no surprise -
the pundits expect us to play .667 ball!
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Apr 12, 2008 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm curious to see how long...
they'll all continue to ignore the team with the best record in the AL. ESPN Power Rankings actually moved the A's up to 13 from 21.
And, Donovan over at SI.com did move us up to #10 in his Power Rankings. But, he seems to be going for a true weekly power ranking, unlike the others. Nevertheless, he still makes the mistake of putting 3 AL teams ahead of the one true champion Oakland A's (Kansas City, Baltimore and the Angels).
The real dummy is Eric Mack at CBS Sportsline who moves the A's down to 24 from 22 in his Power Rankings..
But, even Eric Mack doesn't win the Retard of the Week award. That goes to Aram Tolegian (whoever he is) over at FoxSports.com, as he moved the A's down to 25 from 22 in his Power Rankings. No doubt because they played the World Champions tough to open the season and, then, ummm... just kept winning. Good call, guys. Eat your crow next week.
Go A's!
by FoolshGame22 on Apr 12, 2008 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exec of the year?
How awesome has it been watching Eveland this year? Reminds me of Haren when he arrived.
Has anyone been keeping up with Mulder? Or Zito? How spot on has Beane been with those?
On the flip....
I was lucky enough to see Tim Hudson dominate last night at the new Nationals park (BTW the worlds largest HD Screen is amazing)....so some of BB's deals don't work out (Hello Danny Meyer) but he should win exec of the year almost every time.....
by Cochran86 on Apr 12, 2008 8:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Huddy was always the one
I wanted to keep of the three. We would have to have endured the one sucky year, but he's come back to form and then some. Great competitor, great pitcher.
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by Nico on Apr 12, 2008 8:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
lousy bar fighter
And what did we do once we discovered a rift in the fourth dimension? We launched a monkey into it. @('.')@
by monkeyball on Apr 12, 2008 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
2 Run HR (Ibanez)
usually, I hate that guy. But as long as he's killing Angels.
"It's too bad there are no Hallmark cards saying, 'Sorry your loved one was killed by a foul ball.'" -- The Iowa Baseball Confederacy, W.P. Kinsella
by 149 on Apr 12, 2008 8:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I would have had him bunt. It would have been grittier.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Apr 12, 2008 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
panther
"It's like déjà vu all over again." -yogi berra
by Cheezombie on Apr 12, 2008 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
is it panth, or the panthest?
And what did we do once we discovered a rift in the fourth dimension? We launched a monkey into it. @('.')@
by monkeyball on Apr 12, 2008 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would have put in Embree to pitch
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by Nico on Apr 12, 2008 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
prolly still wouldda went out
considering how the Ms are hitting tonight.
"It's too bad there are no Hallmark cards saying, 'Sorry your loved one was killed by a foul ball.'" -- The Iowa Baseball Confederacy, W.P. Kinsella
by 149 on Apr 12, 2008 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Typical Carlos Silva:
8 IP, 11 hits, 0 K - under 100 pitches and in line for the win.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Apr 12, 2008 8:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
threw 66 strikes
and 3 GIDP (so says M's broadcasters)
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by 149 on Apr 12, 2008 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was neat.
stat-addled alien overlord
by salb918 on Apr 12, 2008 8:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Huddy
Still has it. Is that BB's worst deal?
....and the Braves have a kid out of the pen Peter Moylan who has great stuff.....
by Cochran86 on Apr 12, 2008 8:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Huddy was the worst deal -
maybe the deal that turned out the worst, but remember that Huddy was gone after 2005 anyway. I think Lilly for Kielty was a very poor deal - Lilly was a solid #3 starter who was not getting that expensive by SP standards. And drafting Ryan Goleski instead of Josh Hamilton was a shame.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Apr 12, 2008 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Harang for Guillen was pretty bad.
by WaddellCanseco on Apr 12, 2008 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not so bad at the time, though
Guillen is enormously talented and Harang hadn't shown evidence to suggest that he would emerge to the extent he did. Plus, Guillen helped the A's get to the playoffs, and especially helped in the playoffs. But yes, would like to have that one back.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Apr 12, 2008 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Andre Either...
is looking worser and worser. Not as bad as the others (yet).
Go A's!
by FoolshGame22 on Apr 12, 2008 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except that it has produced Andrew Brown
I think that's a good thing.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Apr 12, 2008 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
for some reason...
I don't like "trading" good position players for decent relievers. Billy seems able to pull decent relievers out of his ass anytime he wants. Good position players... not so much. Although, have taken a liking to the crop he got back in the recent trades.
Go A's!
by FoolshGame22 on Apr 12, 2008 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
plus some very good play
down the 2006 stretch and into the post season by Bradley...I don't think Ethier would have done the same at that time
by OaklandSi on Apr 12, 2008 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that was definitely an upside...
that's why I said "(yet)." Because we really don't know how good Either is going to be. But, he's looking pretty good, right now.
Go A's!
by FoolshGame22 on Apr 12, 2008 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Andre Ethier?
A corner OF with a career 107 OPS+ and a 93 OPS+ so far this year? I mean, he's 26 so I suppose he could have a really good year at some point, be he's looking like a league avg. player right now.
by MrIncognito on Apr 12, 2008 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
considering...
the breakout years for most MLB players is 27 (I read that somewhere and have absolutely no statistical evidence to back it up), I think he's still got time. I know, he's no Eric Byrnes, but really... comparing him to a star is unfair. ;-)
Go A's!
by FoolshGame22 on Apr 12, 2008 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There isn't a "breakout" age. 27 is thought to be a position player's prime
That trade was fine. Gave up an OK corner OFer for a high upside, higher middle-side-when-healthy corner OF/CF with injury/blowup concerns. We got some of the upside and all of the injuries and blowups with Milton, but it's hard to be too upset about giving up Ethier. Although, he seems to be better than Mr. Byrnes. (;
The A's colors are green and gold.
by mikeA on Apr 12, 2008 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Angels lose
A's lead the West by 2, and are the only team above .500.
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by HigherPie on Apr 12, 2008 8:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Huddy was pretty bad deal.
The A's got nothing for Hudson. They could have had him for 2005 then got a draft pick for him. Byrnes deal was pretty bad too.
by fansince1980 on Apr 12, 2008 8:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That's just not true -
the A's got a projected Haren-level, major league ready stud in Dan Meyer. Stupid bone chips. Stupider trying to pitch through them.
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by Nico on Apr 12, 2008 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Charles Thomas was scrappy as hell.
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by HigherPie on Apr 12, 2008 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You made a typo
and inadvertently added an "s" to that word.
by Dilferules on Apr 12, 2008 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn't everyone here have been thrilled
if we'd known at the time that Beane had managed to trade Hudson for a future Barry Zito? Why is everyone complaining?
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Apr 13, 2008 5:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
2 game lead!
How is this possible. Enjoy it while it lasts.
by fansince1980 on Apr 12, 2008 8:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about you guys,
but I'm practically bouncing up and down on my chair. Because I'm so excited about this team! Not just because I have to go pee.
Is this Heaven? No, it's Iowa. -Field of Dreams
by IowaA'sFan on Apr 12, 2008 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm loving all these doubles and triples (is it too late?)
They are much more entertaining to me than HRs; the most exciting plays in baseball, imo.
I think Cisco Field should have very high, deep fences, with normal grass in the IF and Wimbledon grass in the OF.
The A's colors are green and gold.
by mikeA on Apr 12, 2008 9:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That would actually be pretty cool.
The A's colors are green and gold.
by mikeA on Apr 12, 2008 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A net running from the center field wall to home plate
would be kinda cool, too. British P.A. announcer, anyone? "Now batting, a jolly rotten fellow...Sir Robert Crosby. Indeed."
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Apr 12, 2008 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Foul territory
should have U.S. Open rough. For absolutely no reason.
by Dilferules on Apr 12, 2008 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm in favor of sand traps
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Apr 13, 2008 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Excited for sure....
The thing i'm excited about is the pitching depth at AAA.......there will be injuries no question.....but I like our depth compared to nearly anyone else's.
If anything its a ton of chips to work with for BB at the deadline.
by Cochran86 on Apr 12, 2008 9:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Thoughts
The approach at the plate was good, then bad, then good again. Excellent patience against Carmona (although most of those balls were so far outside that it wasn't exactly tough to lay off), then horrible discipline against Mr. 2-last-names Jensen Lewis. The guy was throwing 88-89 mph cheese at belt level and for some reason our guys could not get any good wood on any of those pitches. Funky delivery be damned that guy should've been rocked and for whatever reason he kept us down. Then we broke out against Perez which was surprising but I'll take it.
We all know that Sweeney will spend a couple days on the bench with everyone thinking he's getting steadily better and then we'll all be hit with the news thats he going to the 15-day DL and will be out for 20 days. It's not the end of the world since Denorfia is hitting well lately but it's still a shame as Sweeney was also finding his stroke.
Homer quote of the night - when DiNardo pitches like he did tonight, he's good. It may be a yeah, duh! comment but it's true. He mixes speeds, hits his spots, and keeps the ball down he can be a very effective starter. Much like Saarloos was a couple years ago only this time from the left side.
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin
by Helloooo 1st on Apr 12, 2008 9:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I was wondering if Sweeney's injury might...
open the door...for the callup of a replacement CFer...like...
C-GON!!!!!!!!!
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Apr 12, 2008 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that would be a shame...
Sweeney was our best hitter until BroCro took over that mantle tonight.
Go A's!
by FoolshGame22 on Apr 12, 2008 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Throw out his 4/4 and it doesn't look quite so great
It's more like "one great game and a little bit more" at this point.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Apr 12, 2008 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, you're right...
besides, Ellis is our slugger.
Go A's!
by FoolshGame22 on Apr 12, 2008 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
< responding to all these comments >
I still have very low expectations for this season, and I'd hate to waste the Patrol Craft's service time on a losing endeavor.
But: R. Sweeney sucks. He can't (and never has) hit for power with that long swing, and doesn't draw many walks, so he needs (at least for this year) to rely on a high BA, and he is just not going to have a high BA. It might be "pretty good" but that will not be enough. Denorfia is a much better hitter. I really don't see a future for R. Sweeney, while I see a an excellent 4th OF future for Denorfia. But still, I really don't want to squander a pre-FA year from the Patrol Craft, especially since we don't need to hold out much longer and I think Denorfia figures to have a better 2008 than the Patrol Craft.
The A's colors are green and gold.
by mikeA on Apr 12, 2008 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tampa Bay called up Longoria today...
Patrol Craft ain't no Longoria. If he were ready, the A's would call him up, too. Billy wants to win this year, just like the Rays. He thinks Sweeney's pretty good. From what I've seen, I'd have to agree.
Go A's!
by FoolshGame22 on Apr 12, 2008 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
but, I'm used to several years of Kotsay...
so, I might be jaded in my judgment.
Go A's!
by FoolshGame22 on Apr 12, 2008 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ha
I'm sure Billy wants to win this year, but he is also realistic (same with the Rays on both counts.) He probably does like Sweeney, but I'd say he is wrong about that one. And yes, the Patrol Craft is nothing close to as good as Longoria. But it's generally good to keep the name "Longoria" away from your franchise if you care about not being associated with irritating tv shows and irritating basketball players... The wins the Rays get from Longoria may be outweighed by the bad jokes...
The A's colors are green and gold.
by mikeA on Apr 12, 2008 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the wins the Rays get from Longoria...
may propel them to the playoffs. The Yanks and Sox suck this year. I'm sure they'll be fine with the bad jokes. After all, they're used to it.
Go A's!
by FoolshGame22 on Apr 12, 2008 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well,
he'll at least give them some actual wins, which the Patrol Craft probably will not. But OK offense, very-good-but-injured starting pitching, a bad bullpen, and terrible defense is not a recipe for making the playoffs.
The A's colors are green and gold.
by mikeA on Apr 12, 2008 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
we'll see...
I know I'm the only one who picked the A's and the Rays to win their divisions. And, I picked the Marlins to be pretty good, too. Idiot Savant. Maybe.
Go A's!
by FoolshGame22 on Apr 12, 2008 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and, the Yanks and Sox...
have not-very-good-but-injured starting pitching, terrible bullpens and terrible defense. Are their offenses better than the Rays? Only time will tell. But, I doubt it.
Go A's!
by FoolshGame22 on Apr 12, 2008 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yanks and Sox have
much better bullpens, and much better defense (Rays had a historically bad defense last year). And a much better offenses.... Rays did very well with Pena last year, we did very well with Cust, but they ain't Al-rod, Ortiz, or Pajamas. And the Yankees and Sox (especially the Yankees) have better complementary players.
Rays are a good bet to have the best starting rotation in mlb in 2010, but not this year.
The A's colors are green and gold.
by mikeA on Apr 12, 2008 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the Yanks and the Sox have terrible bullpens...
this year. The A's have a much better bullpen. The Yanks and the Sox have terrible starting pitching this year. The Yanks and the Sox have aging and declining offenses this year.
Yes, the Rays are young and inexperienced, so it'll probably be a Toronto AL East year, but neither the Yanks or Sox will make the playoffs.
Go A's!
by FoolshGame22 on Apr 12, 2008 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think you'd
want to make me the foolsh 6th on that prediction. But if so, I would love to take your money....
The A's colors are green and gold.
by mikeA on Apr 12, 2008 11:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
okay...
the Yanks' bullpen is better this year, so far. It won't last.
Go A's!
by FoolshGame22 on Apr 12, 2008 11:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the BoSox bullpen is terrible...
I'll bet you the A's bullpen is better. Is that our bet?
Go A's!
by FoolshGame22 on Apr 12, 2008 11:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sorry, are we talking about the same people?
Okajima? Papelbon?
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Apr 13, 2008 12:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was talking about the bullpen on the whole...
in other words, the A's 3.46 ERA versus the Red Sox 5.79 ERA this year.
Go A's!
by FoolshGame22 on Apr 13, 2008 12:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I was the first...
to shut up PaulThomas. High fives, anyone?
Go A's!
by FoolshGame22 on Apr 13, 2008 2:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The relevant bet would be:
Toronto or Tampa winning the division over the Yankees or the Red Sox. I wouldn't bet a cent predicting any bullpen in any year....
The A's colors are green and gold.
by mikeA on Apr 13, 2008 12:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you can be the 6th...
talk to me in July when I get my second quarter commission. (Buy real estate now, get rich.)
Go A's!
by FoolshGame22 on Apr 13, 2008 12:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anaheim Angels bullpen...
worst in the American League... 7.14 ERA.
I kinda like that stat.
Go A's!
by FoolshGame22 on Apr 12, 2008 11:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that is indeed a glorious number
The A's colors are green and gold.
by mikeA on Apr 13, 2008 12:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You do realize
that Carlos Pena already has 5 HR this season, yes?
Whatever devils afflicted him in his first 3 major-league stints, they've clearly been exorcised at this point.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Apr 12, 2008 11:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't have any problem at all with Carlos Pena; he's great
but do you disagree that he's no alRod/Ortiz/Ramirez?
The A's colors are green and gold.
by mikeA on Apr 12, 2008 11:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
He is almost exactly David Ortiz, right down to the age at which he broke out.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Apr 13, 2008 12:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you do disagree...
"exactly the same, down to the age at which they broke out" is a pretty gigantic difference considering that Ortiz has already broken out for 3 seasons of incredible offensive performance, whereas lots of guys have had had a great season like Pena and very very few have sustained it like Ortiz has. In fact, Ortiz is pretty much unique in becoming a top 5 hitter starting at the age he did.
Ortiz will outhit Pena this year (from hereon out, maybe not overall given their respective starts), and he will outhit him next year. I am pretty confident in that.
The A's colors are green and gold.
by mikeA on Apr 13, 2008 12:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I'll take that.
(That being Ortiz is better from April 14, 2008 to the end of the regular season 2009, for $100). OPS+ to be the judge?
The A's colors are green and gold.
by mikeA on Apr 13, 2008 12:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
(you can suggest something else reasonable instead of OPS+)
The A's colors are green and gold.
by mikeA on Apr 13, 2008 12:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
done...
OPS is good enough for me.
Go A's!
by FoolshGame22 on Apr 13, 2008 12:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
let's make it interesting, though...
cuz I want bragging rights after this year. $100 per year.
Go A's!
by FoolshGame22 on Apr 13, 2008 12:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't want to risk $200 (cuz I'm a fraidy cat), but
how about $80 is the two-year average, and $20 is the post-now 2008.
(I'll have a lot more money to spare in Oct. 2009 than I do now.)
The A's colors are green and gold.
by mikeA on Apr 13, 2008 12:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ummm... so $80 a season...
and, the $20 on the post-season? What if Carlos makes it and Ortiiz doesn't. Automatic $20 for me?
Go A's!
by FoolshGame22 on Apr 13, 2008 12:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
$80 for the two-season average and $20 for this season.
But I would definitely bet an additional $100 on (Bos + NY)(me) vs. (Tor. + Tamp.)(you) winning the division.
The A's colors are green and gold.
by mikeA on Apr 13, 2008 12:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
okay...
I'll take the Pena vs. Ortiz bet. But, like I said... talk to me in July about the other bet. I probably just saved you $100, but, I'm chicken, too. (After being right about Byrnes vs. Kotsay, a year early)
Go A's!
by FoolshGame22 on Apr 13, 2008 12:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
we're short $20...
so, I'll make it $40 for the post-2008 season. We good?
Go A's!
by FoolshGame22 on Apr 13, 2008 1:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see how we're short $20....
It's $20 for post-now 2008 and $80 for post-now 2008+2009. That equals $100.
The A's colors are green and gold.
by mikeA on Apr 13, 2008 1:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Byrnsie would
hate to see you chicken out on that AL East bet... (;
The A's colors are green and gold.
by mikeA on Apr 13, 2008 1:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Byrnsie has nothing to do with the AL East...
but, I'l bet you Giants vs. Diamondbacks any day of the week you're drunk enough to take the Giants.
Go A's!
by FoolshGame22 on Apr 13, 2008 2:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I meant that
non-chicken that he is, he would be ashamed that his biggest fan was shying away from a bet.
The A's colors are green and gold.
by mikeA on Apr 13, 2008 2:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh, so you're trying to decrease the bet...
not increase it. I understand now.
Go A's!
by FoolshGame22 on Apr 13, 2008 2:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's always been $100, and still is...
The A's colors are green and gold.
by mikeA on Apr 13, 2008 2:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I'll stick to this year...
Pena vs. Ortiz... OPS+... April 14 and on...winner take all... $100.
You wanna bet me on the Rays vs. the Sox or Yanks? Give me the same odds as I'd get in Vegas. LOL
Go A's!
by FoolshGame22 on Apr 13, 2008 2:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
we on?
gotta hear offer and acceptance. Just the way I am.
Go A's!
by FoolshGame22 on Apr 13, 2008 2:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You keep revising....
< quote >
Yes, I'll take that.
(That being Ortiz is better from April 14, 2008 to the end of the regular season 2009, for $100). OPS+ to be the judge?
The A's colors are green and gold.
by mikeA on Apr 13, 2008 3:21 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions 0 recs
(you can suggest something else reasonable instead of OPS+)
The A's colors are green and gold.
by mikeA on Apr 13, 2008 3:23 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions 0 recs
done...
OPS is good enough for me.
Go A's!
by FoolshGame22 on Apr 13, 2008 3:26 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions 0 recs
< /quote >
I'm willing to bet $20 on this year, or $20 on this year and $80 on the two year average, or $100 on the two year average, but not $100 on this year.
If I gave you Vegas odds, you wouldn't win back all that face you lost on the Kotsay/Byrnes bet, and I'm not much interested in less than even odds. But think of how proud you'd be if you won my $100 upon the Rays winning the division! I'll even promise to rec your diary about it.
The A's colors are green and gold.
by mikeA on Apr 13, 2008 2:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
let me make this simple for you...
Pena vs. Ortiz... OPS+ this year, 4/14 and beyond... no following years... $100. Pena a higher OPS+ (on that basis, I win; Ortize on that basis, you win)... we good?
Go A's!
by FoolshGame22 on Apr 13, 2008 3:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was right on Byrnes...
who is clearly bettter than Kotsay. I'll be right on this too. You sure you want to do this?
Go A's!
by FoolshGame22 on Apr 13, 2008 3:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not
I think Ortiz is close to done as an elite hitter. His power decline last season was masked by a freakish (not caused by more contact) uptick in his batting average. That's not going to last. And his body is approaching Mike Sweeney status.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Apr 13, 2008 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When 35 HR and 52 2B represents a power decline
you're in pretty damn good shape.
The A's colors are green and gold.
by mikeA on Apr 13, 2008 12:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i have a bet w. a friend
that ortiz will hit under 40 hr this year, i actually expect him to be under 35 (and another bet that the m's won't win the al west).
it's definitely looking like the beginning of the end for ortiz as a dominant hitter, at least so far...
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
by xbhaskarx on Apr 13, 2008 3:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't worry
Longoria will be sent down as soon as the team has a plausible replacement. The "starter" is hurt right now.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Apr 12, 2008 11:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jensen Lewis is a good pitcher
Don't make the mistake of assuming that a reliever sucks because he doesn't have a dominant fastball. Pat Neshek's been one of the best bullpen guys in baseball for the last 3 years with a fastball in the high 80s and a highly deceptive delivery.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Apr 12, 2008 11:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully they can solve Cliff Lee's assortment
of straight low-90s fastballs.
Nico mentioned after the last Cliff Lee game that the fastballs had "late movement" but it looked, from my vantage point (television), to be mostly-straight fastballs. I'll defer to Nico's experience in watching live baseball over my 20 years of watching it mostly on TV.
Regardless, I haven't seen that many swing-throughs on 91mph fastballs since Joe Blanton's inexplicable domination of the 2006 Mariners.
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by bloodsweatndonuts on Apr 12, 2008 10:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, but actually since I was watching
from a vantage point I don't usually have I don't feel my perspective has any expertise - it just looked like the hitters were consistently unable to square up a low-90s fastball and that the pitch had some late life. It might look different from the TV angle and that's actually the one I'm more accustomed to.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Apr 13, 2008 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've missed you guys......
... oh and ive missed you guys here on AN too! hello again! ive been away for fricken foreverrrr..... YAYYYY I LOVE THIS TEAM GO A's!!!
When Crosby was asked after the game if the collision was fun, the 26-year-old responded with a wide-eyed "Yeah!"
by TrizzleNizzle510 on Apr 12, 2008 10:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Opposites?
Is it Opposites Week in MLB? The A's and KC Royals (almost) are in 1st place, but Tigers and Red Sox (almost) are in last?
I say again, thank you Mariners! And thank you A's! You're playing way above my expectations.
by streetfan on Apr 12, 2008 11:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
what were your expectations for the A's?
They are better than last year, don't you agree? I mean , they got rid of Kotsay and Kendall. That automatically makes them better. And, monkeyball's prediction of injuries hitting the Angels has finally come true.
We're better than they are.... deeper, stronger, younger, faster.
Go A's!
by FoolshGame22 on Apr 12, 2008 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Better than
the Giants, that's my expectation :) Ouch.
Seriously, they're rebuilding. Several new guys who are in AAA now, a few returners from last year. Still learning to play together. I don't know.
Low expectations because last week, they could barely hit. Remember Travis "0for19 or so" Buck? I think this team will run hot and cold all season. And I kind of liked Kotsay. Great defense, not so great hitter (with a bad back).
Yeah, I agree, we're better than last year!!
by streetfan on Apr 13, 2008 12:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sorry.
Bobby. CROSBY? Hit a three run home run?
(cue Twilight Zone music).
Can we keep small-sample-size Bobby Crosby? Please? -Joey C.
by pam5981 on Apr 12, 2008 11:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It was an amazing sight to behold....
I get the feeling from watching him that he may indeed turn things around this year. His swing is somewhat more compact, he's not consistently lunging after pitches he has no chance of hitting....and most of all, he looks self-confident. Gone is the deer-in-the-headlights look of bewilderment of last year.
"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer
by alox on Apr 12, 2008 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, Alox.
He looks much better at the plate and the hits keep coming. I don't think it's a fluke. I think he actually did work on standing closer to the plate and looking for the right pitch to hit in the off-season. The kid is growing -up.
by IM4Oakgal on Apr 12, 2008 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm hoping to catch it on SportsCenter...
but, if this keeps up, I might become one of those screaming-girl Bobby Crosby fans, and I don't know if I can handle that.
Can we keep small-sample-size Bobby Crosby? Please? -Joey C.
by pam5981 on Apr 12, 2008 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Same with me
and I definitely can't handle that....
"God doesn't pay attention to your cute little hypotheticals." -- Jeff from LL
by oblique on Apr 12, 2008 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If only
he would go back to his swinging-at-sliders-low-and-away approach...we would all be safe
Can we keep small-sample-size Bobby Crosby? Please? -Joey C.
by pam5981 on Apr 12, 2008 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or
if he weren't so darn cute!
"God doesn't pay attention to your cute little hypotheticals." -- Jeff from LL
by oblique on Apr 12, 2008 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously.
((sigh))
Can we keep small-sample-size Bobby Crosby? Please? -Joey C.
by pam5981 on Apr 12, 2008 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe the secret of baseball success
is marrying some random blonde who looks as empty-faced as you, and is hot, but not as hot a baseball-wife should be....
The A's colors are green and gold.
by mikeA on Apr 12, 2008 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like a Staturday topic!
"God doesn't pay attention to your cute little hypotheticals." -- Jeff from LL
by oblique on Apr 12, 2008 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why not as hot as
a baseball wife?
by IM4Oakgal on Apr 12, 2008 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could see it in her eyes (which may make me a terrible person)... Croz got the wife recipe:
(blonde + good body) and swung away at his first opportunity. She is hot, but I bet he'll regret it later. Huddy and Haren hit the jackpot of hot + engaging/fun personality + not an idiot. I think if you are in their position, there are probably a lot of hot women to chose from (just on a given night), and it takes will power and judgment to chose wisely...
Kotsay=Wade Boggs lite....
(All of this is to varying degrees made up and not to be taken too seriously...)
The A's colors are green and gold.
by mikeA on Apr 12, 2008 11:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I bet
that a cool young lawyer can find a hot chick to wed too.
by IM4Oakgal on Apr 12, 2008 11:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm staking my DNA on that plan...
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Apr 13, 2008 12:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I lack will power and judgment (among other things)
and I'm not a star athlete...
The A's colors are green and gold.
by mikeA on Apr 13, 2008 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But you have...
charm. Now send me $ 10.00 please.
by IM4Oakgal on Apr 13, 2008 12:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This IS fun!
Harden hurt, so what else is new, bring up Lenny D and he'll blow away the Indians. Duke hurt, no problem, Greg Smith will take care of that. This team is FUN TO WATCH and so freaking DEEP! I hope this lasts. I had a special feeling about the 40th year in Oakland and hpe I'm right! Go A's! Sweep the Tribe!
by A'sfansince1970 on Apr 12, 2008 11:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
A's-Red Sox and rankings
Isn't it funny that all of the national so called baseball pundits and the writers for ESPN and Fox Sports keep saying that the Red Sox are playing so poorly because they are tired and haven't recovered from the Japan trip, you would think that the A's didn't even make the trip. If the Red Sox are so tired and haven't recovered from the trip and that's why they are losing, then what is the reason the A's are winning. Oh thats right, no one wants to bring that up!!!
There is no A in OFFENSE!!
by wacchampions on Apr 12, 2008 11:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
the Red Sox are old...
the A's are young. They recover faster. Not that ESPN would ever notice the A's have the best record in the AL, anyway.
Go A's!
by FoolshGame22 on Apr 12, 2008 11:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
These are the same pundits who will laugh when you say "small sample size" about Kendall's fast start, too
The Philadelphia Inquirer has a piece today about "what we've learned" from the topsy-turvy results so far in the NL East. Their conclusion?
"In the end, the Braves, Mets, or Phillies will win this division, and the race could be tight."
Brilliant. Good thing you analyzed the results from the first two weeks, then.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Apr 13, 2008 6:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Their slogan should be:
"Everything regresses to the mean, so don't bother to watch!"
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Apr 13, 2008 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ryan Sweeney
Perfect timing to "Strain" a quad. We face 3 lefties in a row (Cliff Lee, Danks, Buerhle). I loved our lineup vs. Sabathia.
Murphy > Hannahan
Sweeney > Cust (Right Now)
Emil Brown > Cust (Right Now)
Denorfia > Sweeney (Right Now)
We finally have role players that are ready to play some baseball. For the last couple of years, we've had guys like Kotsay, Kielty, Payton, Kendall, DJ... all guys who thought they should be MLB Regulars. Now we have guys that want to win baseball games, and will do everything they can to help the team.
Now, If Sweeney is hurt, I wouldn't mind getting a taste of CarGon for a couple of weeks.
by Colorado Fan on Apr 13, 2008 12:09 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd be very
happy to see Denorfia put up a good performance against this string of lefties and put a solid claim on the CF job.
The A's colors are green and gold.
by mikeA on Apr 13, 2008 12:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
To toot my own horn a bit, I mentioned that the A's had good platoon capability
back around the middle of spring training. I really like the lineup against lefthanders with, essentially, all the backups in in place of Hannahan, Sweeney and Cust or Barton.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Apr 13, 2008 12:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Next 3 Games
It might be a good time to rest Barton a couple games.
1. Buck
2. Ellis
3. Sweeney/Barton - 1B
4. Sweeney/Cust - DH
5. Brown
6. Crosby
7. Denorfia
8. Suzuki
9. Murphy
** This team needs to extend Mark Ellis another 3 years / 20-Million **
by Colorado Fan on Apr 13, 2008 12:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If this is how we are playing now...
i can't wait to see how we do in august
cry me a river build me a bridge and get over it! it's a new season. A's all the way in '08!
by CrackBaby on Apr 13, 2008 12:32 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
you mean...
when the home runs come in droves? I can't either.
Go A's!
by FoolshGame22 on Apr 13, 2008 12:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are gonna hate me for this
but small sample size alert, we have to wait until a month on the season, to see if they keep this up. Remember Brewers last year.
by jahs34 on Apr 13, 2008 8:04 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
We know it might not last.
But let us enjoy it while it's happening.,.
by IM4Oakgal on Apr 13, 2008 8:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Watching Sportscenter
This morning. I've seen the Yankees-Red Sox highlights 4 different times (same episode, not a repeat), and have yet to see Oakland-Cleveland highlights. Why don't they just put a disclaimer on their show that they will not show teams that are not in Boston or NY?
Might as well Jump! - Van Halen
by sprtsnwyn on Apr 13, 2008 8:45 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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