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Harden to DL

A's Recall Devine From Sacramento; Place Harden on Disabled List
 
OAKLAND, Calif. - The Oakland A's today recalled right-handed pitcher Joey Devine from Triple-A Sacramento and placed right-handed pitcher Rich Harden on the 15-day disabled list retroactive to April 3 with a strained right shoulder.
 
Devine has pitched in two games for Sacramento this year and has allowed no runs on one hit and one walk while striking out four in 2.0 innings.  He also went 1-0 with a 4.50 ERA in four spring training appearances with the A's this year.  The 24-year old right-hander was acquired from Atlanta earlier this year on January 14 in the Mark Kotsay trade.  He made his Major League debut with the Braves in 2005 after he was selected by Atlanta in the first round (27th selection overall) of the 2005 First-Year Player Draft.  Devine has spent parts of each of the previous three seasons in the majors and is 1-1 with a 6.86 ERA in 25 career relief appearances.
 
Harden was 1-0 with a 0.82 ERA in two starts for the A's this year and ranks second in the American League with 15 strikeouts.  He was scratched from his scheduled start on Tuesday in Toronto.  This is Harden's sixth career stint on the disabled list and all have come in the last four years.  He had two stints on the DL in each of the previous two seasons and one in 2005.  Harden is 6-2 with a 3.24 ERA in 18 games, 15 starts, over the last three years and 16-7 with a 2.81 ERA in 40 games, 34 starts, over the last four seasons.
 
This marks the fifth time this year the A's have used the disabled list and Oakland currently has four players on the DL.  Last year, the A's used the disabled list an Oakland record tying 22 times.

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Nothing against you, OaklandA23. You're awesome. But the subject stinks. Not that I'm surprised.

Chiba Lotte lost simultaneously in the fighter plane of the Japanese ham.

by JediLeroy on Apr 10, 2008 4:25 PM PDT reply actions  

ouch

I'm pretty sure we're in more pain right now than Harden... what's next, a tummy ache? Dude, suck it up.

by Sacred#24 on Apr 10, 2008 4:29 PM PDT reply actions  

Seriously, I am sick of this attitude

It sucks for us as fans to not get to see Harden reach his potential due to seemingly minor injuries. But I'm sure he's a lot more disappointed than we are. Do people seriously think he'd rather sit on the DL earning what he's earning when he could pitch healthy and get three times the money?

Chiba Lotte lost simultaneously in the fighter plane of the Japanese ham.

by JediLeroy on Apr 10, 2008 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

+1

Hi this is Ken Griffey Jr. Let's play major league baseball.

by Rocktopus on Apr 10, 2008 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Healthy

Define "healthy."
To me, needing surgery on both shoulders and your back is being unhealthy, or an arthritic hip, or having a bone floating around in your foot, that's unhealthy.
Continually having mystery ailments that doctors can't even diagnose is something else.

by Sacred#24 on Apr 10, 2008 4:57 PM PDT reply actions  

You've never been an athlete, have you?

"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback

by devo on Apr 10, 2008 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

How does that make a difference?

It doesn't take the proverbial rocket scientist to observe the difference between the vast number of athletes who can seem to stay healthy and play on a consistent basis with the comparitively few that cannot.

"Rebuilding" is loser mentality.

by UncleLeo on Apr 10, 2008 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

And the proverbial rocket scientists

are smart enough to not jump to conclusions on things they do not know.

For a pitcher, a subscapularis strain IS a serious injury.

If he were a soccer player, a football player other than quarterback, a runner, then it no big deal,

ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524

by rfloh on Apr 11, 2008 1:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

It may be...

...but he's not a football player or a soccer player, and he is a baseball player, and the fact remains that he misses far more time than the vast majority of his contemporaries. Maybe I misinterpreted the comments before mine, but I thought they were general comments and I replied likewise. I was not commenting specifically to this particular stint on the DL.

"Rebuilding" is loser mentality.

by UncleLeo on Apr 11, 2008 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

How surprising.

"Harden will make his next start in a few days/couple weeks."

"Harden goes on the DL."

That sequence of statements has never happened before.

"Huston, you're hot!'' said first baseman Dan Johnson, dressed as a bottle of mustard.

by Poppy on Apr 10, 2008 5:06 PM PDT reply actions  

then it'll be

"no timetable for his return"

by OaklandSi on Apr 10, 2008 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

And next is "shut down."

"God doesn't pay attention to your cute little hypotheticals." -- Jeff from LL

by oblique on Apr 10, 2008 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Harden's on Phase 4 already

Then take me disappearin' through the smoke rings of my mind, Down the foggy ruins of time, far past the frozen leaves, The haunted, frightened trees, out to the windy beach, Far from the twisted reach of crazy sorrow. Yes, to dance beneath the diamond sky with one hand waving free, Silhouetted by the sea, circled by the circus sands, With all memory and fate driven deep beneath the waves, Let me forget about today until tomorrow.

by Zonis on Apr 10, 2008 5:45 PM PDT reply actions  

So our current rotation

with Duke and Harden out already...

Blanton
Eveland
Smith
Gaudin
DiNardo

Yet, it doesn't seem too much weaker than before...

I wonder when Harden is moved to the 60 day DL in a week or so, if they will call up Gio.

Then take me disappearin' through the smoke rings of my mind, Down the foggy ruins of time, far past the frozen leaves, The haunted, frightened trees, out to the windy beach, Far from the twisted reach of crazy sorrow. Yes, to dance beneath the diamond sky with one hand waving free, Silhouetted by the sea, circled by the circus sands, With all memory and fate driven deep beneath the waves, Let me forget about today until tomorrow.

by Zonis on Apr 10, 2008 5:48 PM PDT reply actions  

Did you say athlete?

I hate to say it Devo, but I've probably played more baseball games than poor Rich, which is why I'm just saying what the medical staff's been telling him for three years.
Yeah, I am familiar with our A's medical staff so I'm sure he probably has polio or something, but let's just pretend that they know what they're talking about. If multiple specialists tell you that there's nothing wrong and that you're just sore wouldn't you try to push through the pain? Maybe this back injury isn't the perfect example because the last thing we'd want is for him to alter his mechanics and cause a real injury, but it's just the latest of these lame problems.
At the least I'd say that his pain tolerance is suspect.

by Sacred#24 on Apr 10, 2008 6:21 PM PDT reply actions  

So you played in the majors?

A subscapularis strain IS a serious injury for a pitcher. It's a muscle IN THE SHOULDER. It holds the humeral (upper arm) head down, when the shoulder is elevated.

ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524

by rfloh on Apr 11, 2008 1:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

but ... but ... but the A's say it's a *back* muscle!

And what did we do once we discovered a rift in the fourth dimension? We launched a monkey into it. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Apr 11, 2008 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Who won the kitty??

I am sure someone called the date Harden would go on the DL. It is sad that he cant stand healthy. They need to just trade him for whatever they can get.

"I hurt people I'm a dick" Garry TA

by Crapper Jon on Apr 10, 2008 6:31 PM PDT reply actions  

If you're surprised and you know it, clap your hands--

..*crickets*

"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."

by Kyli on Apr 10, 2008 7:31 PM PDT reply actions  

< clap cla-- OW! >

"Huston, you're hot!'' said first baseman Dan Johnson, dressed as a bottle of mustard.

by Poppy on Apr 10, 2008 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dang it, Poppy -

I strained my left eyeball reading that.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Apr 10, 2008 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

We have to trade him

ASAP. We have enough pitching, granted not as good as Harden, but this is just ridiculous/frustrating for fans.

by butler19 on Apr 10, 2008 9:38 PM PDT reply actions  

We have a lot of hitters, granted not as good as A-Rod, too.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Apr 10, 2008 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

BBG has promised a thread tomorrow...

and I look forward to everyone sounding off enmasse. In the meantime, when the hell are we going to be done with this bs? I am sick of Harden's situation. Let's move on. Give someone else a shot. The guy is not capable of pitching more than a couple of games. Period. He is a flash in the pan. The sad thing is someone else will stick him in the bullpen and he will become the greatest closer of all time. He is too fragile to be a starter. He is as useless as canadian money in the parking meters in SF. Futile. But at this point, I am just done with the Harden Express with stops in Emotional Turmoilville, Suckyouintown and Dashyourhopesburg.

2008 Oakland Athletics...more than meets the eye!

by OptimistPrime on Apr 10, 2008 11:01 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

The operators of Harden Express will just convert their tour of Suckyouintown to a non-baseball theme.

"Huston, you're hot!'' said first baseman Dan Johnson, dressed as a bottle of mustard.

by Poppy on Apr 11, 2008 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm sure it's a serious injury....

Every injury with Harden is serious. Being unfamiliar with this type of injury, can you give us some examples of other pitchers who had this problem? I'd be willing to bet that it takes Harden longer to get back, but at least we can get an idea of how long he'll be out.

by Sacred#24 on Apr 11, 2008 8:43 AM PDT reply actions  

It depends how serious the "strain".

The term "strain" is a very imprecise term.

The subscapularis is one of the 4 muscles that comprise the rotator cuff. It's an internal rotator, while the other 3 are external rotators. It helps hold the head of the humerus (upper arm) down, when the shoulder is elevated by the deltoids and supraspinatus. A weak / damaged subscapularis can allow the humeral head to upride, sanwiching the the rotator cuff between the humerus (upper arm) and the acromion (a part of your shoulder blades). This can lead to muscular erosion and capsular sprain. A nasty cycle of damage / weakening combined with upriding and erosion can develope.

For overhead athletes, especially pitchers, rotator cuff injuries are always serious, often scary.

Also, it depends whether this is as they claimed an "isolated" injury, or whether it's part of more serious damage, or has caused more serious damage.

ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524

by rfloh on Apr 11, 2008 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Good info

Any idea about recovery time? Any other pitchers get this?

by Sacred#24 on Apr 11, 2008 4:47 PM PDT reply actions  

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