A's interested in Juan Pierre???
by gotgreen on Mar 4, 2008 8:17 AM PST
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According to Susan Slusser:
More rumblings that the A's are on the lookout for a center fielder: According to a major-league source, Oakland recently inquired about the Dodgers' Juan Pierre.
Interesting. I guess with the insane amount of players that played in center field last season for the A's, they are trying to gather up as many outfielders as possible!
Who would the A's trade for Juan Pierre??
Would Blanton be included in a package?
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Pierre's signed through 2011
Even Crosby's contract ends in 2 years!
2008: $8 million
2009: $10 million
2010: $10 million
2011: $8.5 million
All years guaranteed.
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by grover on Mar 4, 2008 8:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
the only possible one
would be Chavvy's
(I had to run off to work so didn't add that).
In any event, after I saw the "sources" I realized it was just another unconfirmed rumor.
by OaklandSi on Mar 4, 2008 11:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
PaulThomas must be having kittens!
Pierre over Denorfia?
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by grover on Mar 4, 2008 8:24 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
No
Kittens are cute.
The stuff that would be emanating from me if the A's replaced Denorfia with Pierre would not be.
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by PaulThomas on Mar 4, 2008 9:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Slusser wrote that
just to get under the skin of a few of the posters here ;-)
by Soaker on Mar 4, 2008 8:41 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Chavvy
Maybe they are looking at trading Chavvy for Pierre, with some other consituents involved. They both have god awful contracts, and maybe then the A's could pick up another player to fill some other void...
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by DyeLongJustice on Mar 4, 2008 8:42 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Andy LaRoche?
Seriously, that's the only way this could make any sense. Pierre is a slightly faster version of Shannon Stewart for 40 times the money.
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by PaulThomas on Mar 4, 2008 9:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
First thing I thought of...
BB must be trying to get Pierre on the cheap to deal him at Midseason, hopefully increasing his value over the year... while getting some good prospects and cash relief.
If Pierre hit waivers all the teams would pass on that awful contract, and it seems like they don't want him any longer in LA... I could see this being a boon to the A's. Worst case scenario is that he gets injured and we have to foot the bill, so we better have some good prospects in any deal.
No Harden and No Chavez make the A's go, something something...
by gdub171 on Mar 4, 2008 9:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pierre has no value, in fact he has negative value
hell, acquiring him would criple the franchise.
If Beane acquires Pierre, he has officially lost his touch, and should be fired on the spot.
by Zonis on Mar 4, 2008 9:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hence, why no team would pick him off waivers...
Therefore he could be the one getting Prospects and Cash from LA in exchange for next to nothing. Beane could figure that if the Dodgers pay out $, then he just has to deal Pierre to a needy Contender for a prospect or two to unload the salary.
No Harden and No Chavez make the A's go, something something...
by gdub171 on Mar 4, 2008 10:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thus why I said on the other thread
that it could be a straight salary dump.
If the A's got Pierre plus $6 million a season and Chin-Lung Hu for, I dunno, Graham Godfrey, the trade might begin to move in the general direction of making sense.
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by PaulThomas on Mar 4, 2008 10:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If you fire Beane
could I have his job? It would pay more and I wouldn't have to worry about being chased off a mountain by a wall of flame.
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by grover on Mar 4, 2008 10:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
oh c'mon zonis,
we've seen BB take on bad contracts in the past in order to shed some of the same. I can see us taking on Pierre if we're able to dump a on-the-decline and damaged, Eric Chavez. And I'm sure it won't be a straight up trade but would have to include other particulars. Someone mentioned them tossing in Andy LaRoche.
by sf drift king on Mar 4, 2008 11:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
oh c'mon sf drift king
You think people here were/are pissed at Kendall, Kotsay, and Chavez for their low production:salary ratios? (And I'm with PT: Chavez' actually hasn't been low at all.) Having Pierre on the team, even if only for a brief time, would have inspired us to reach new heights of loathing and invective.
I wasn't thinking about anything. I'll have to try to do that more often. @('.')@
by monkeyball on Mar 4, 2008 11:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Chavez is a good but overpaid player ...
Pierre is Jason Kendall with a worse contract ...
"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback
by devo on Mar 4, 2008 11:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Chavez is an overpaid walking dead player.
Coming off of 3 surgeries and he's already having back issues again.
It pains me, because I really, REALLY like watching him play, but I have a feeling that we're watching him crumble before our eyes. I'll be very, very surprised if he returns to being even a serviceable player ever again.
by mikev on Mar 5, 2008 10:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm no fortune teller ...
but I can't help but mention that your theory requires a hell of a lot of projection (and/or hyperbole), given that he's never been anything except much better than serviceable.
"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback
by devo on Mar 5, 2008 10:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
pierre
pierre makes me long for t-long.
t-long, where art thou?
Rickey Henderson: 35, 24, hall of fame!
by Athletics fan and runner on Mar 4, 2008 8:58 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
As I predicted!
Peanutball 3: Seven Games In May.
As I neared the clubhouse I was grabbed from behind and dragged into a small office. It was Steve Vucinich again. His fingers were bleeding."Stomper, this is insane. New blank jerseys are rolling in on pallets, and look at the letters Billy's giving me. P-I-E-R-R-E. F-I-G-G-I-N-S. P-O-S-E-D-N-I-K. And look at these, for God's sake!"
On the wall behind me hung white, gray and green tops bearing the names Coleman, Butler, and Dykstra. Vuc started sobbing. "I bought in, we all bought in. We read the damn book, learned what OPS+ meant, and laughed at the old schoolers with their heads in the sand. Now this!" One last white jersey slipped off his desk and dropped at my feet. Number 10. Morgan.
There is an A in Whimsy.
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Mar 4, 2008 9:12 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
no way
am i buying a rumor like this. Trading for Pierre seems to go against what the a's are trying to do. And that's not even taking his astronomical contract into consideration.
"Didja ever look at a dollar bill, man? There's some spooky s*** goin' on there. And it's green too." -Slater
by OrlandoAsFan on Mar 4, 2008 9:35 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I've developed a schematic representation
of how bad trading for Juan Pierre would be.
Bad Trades for Rebuilding Teams:
The Jermaine Dye/Mark Ellis trade
The Matt Morris/Rajai Davis trade
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The Juan Pierre trade
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by PaulThomas on Mar 4, 2008 9:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
where, exactly, does it say Billy wants to acquire Pierre?
According to a major-league source, Oakland recently inquired about the Dodgers' Juan Pierre.
Now, that could be a description of Forst on the phone with Kim Ng, inquiring "Juan Pierre?!? What the f%$# were you guys thinking when you signed that contract?!? BWA-HA-HA-HA!!!!!"
I wasn't thinking about anything. I'll have to try to do that more often. @('.')@
by monkeyball on Mar 4, 2008 9:41 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Could Beane be trying to set up a date for his daughter?
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by grover on Mar 4, 2008 10:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
...knowing that
Pierre isn't likely to get to first base.
"Tomorrow it may rain." - Leo Durocher
by andeux on Mar 4, 2008 10:44 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Perhaps more importantly
He's even more unlikely to hit a home run...
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by PaulThomas on Mar 4, 2008 11:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
the most he'll get
is an infield single
then according to dusty baker he can "maufacture runs" which wud probably be illegal...
"Sometimes Joe (morgan) doesn't like facts to get in the way of his opinions."- billy beane
by harendaman365 on Mar 4, 2008 4:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ha Ha, Real Funny Chavvy / Joey Devine = Damaged Goods
"I'm going to be like, 'Hey, can I get one of those, too?' " Chavez joked. There's a big difference between the two in that Chavez's epidural is a cortisone shot rather than a painkiller.
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"In other A's back news, reliever Joey Devine did some flat-ground throwing Monday. Devine also has been sidelined by back spasms and has a tear of the L5-S1 vertebrae, the same one that Chavez had repaired."
What is it with the Braves sending damaged goods. First Dan Meyer. Now, Joey Devine. And how serious is a tear of the L5-S1 vertebrae? Sounds pretty serious to me.
by Colorado Fan on Mar 4, 2008 9:42 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Well, let's not kid ourselves
The A's sent them damaged goods too...
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by PaulThomas on Mar 4, 2008 9:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Is was a fair trade if we kept the 5 mil...
One bad back for another...
No Harden and No Chavez make the A's go, something something...
by gdub171 on Mar 4, 2008 10:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No
The A's benefited from that trade by getting Atlanta to take ANY of his salary.
The fact that they actually got prospects in return, even if one of them has a bad back, is pure icing on the cake.
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by PaulThomas on Mar 4, 2008 10:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i believe devine already had known back problems
meyer was a complete fluke who was healthy right up until he put on an a's uniform.
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by xbhaskarx on Mar 4, 2008 9:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A's knew about Devine and his back problems
They had to unless they haven't been paying attention to baseball for the past two years.
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by grover on Mar 4, 2008 10:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bad rumor everyone, sorry
Hi all - I just blogged that this was bad info. I do try to check stuff out but didn't get a chance to really do so last night and I'm told it was way off. One reason I put it at the bottom of a bunch of three dot items was because I hadn't had the opportunity to run it by any A's people, but I should have sat on it until getting more info.
My original source is usually pretty reliable, but this time of year, there's a ton flying around and sorting it all out becomes difficult.
by slusser on Mar 4, 2008 10:12 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Blast
What are we going to doom, gloom and vituperate about now?
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by PaulThomas on Mar 4, 2008 10:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
how about vituperate stats?
I wasn't thinking about anything. I'll have to try to do that more often. @('.')@
by monkeyball on Mar 4, 2008 10:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I still like my theory
I wasn't thinking about anything. I'll have to try to do that more often. @('.')@
by monkeyball on Mar 4, 2008 10:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Most of us love you here
Not all of us, but most of us. Well, more then half anyways.
I think.
But you can only scare us so many times before those feelings of love and goodwill change.
Juan Pierre?!?!?!
For the love of all that is good and pure in this world could there be any one major league player that is more contrarian to the type of players the A's pursue then Juan freakin' Pierre?
Thanks for clearing things up and acknowledging the dangers of one source reliant rumors.
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by grover on Mar 4, 2008 10:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
any one major league player that is more contrarian to the type of players the A's pursue
I wasn't thinking about anything. I'll have to try to do that more often. @('.')@
by monkeyball on Mar 4, 2008 11:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They don't pursue
guys with great obps and injury concerns?
The A's colors are green and gold.
by mikeA on Mar 4, 2008 11:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I prefer the inverse of devo's description
Kendall (when the A's got him) = (contemporary) Juan Pierre with not quite as bad a contract but/and injury concerns
I wasn't thinking about anything. I'll have to try to do that more often. @('.')@
by monkeyball on Mar 4, 2008 11:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You're being too kind to Juan Pierre ...
he's Jason Kendall now ... and, unfortunately for their teams, neither player has any health concerns. Pierre hasn't missed a game since he left Colorado in the winter of 02-03 -- which is remarkable both for his durability and the fact that his managers kept writing his name into the lineup ... He also gets a green light in Carroll's system
"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback
by devo on Mar 4, 2008 12:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Kendall could take a walk
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by grover on Mar 4, 2008 1:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Only guy I can think of is Shea Hillenbrand
but I think getting released from, like, four teams in the space of a year has kind of put a crimp in his career path.
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by PaulThomas on Mar 4, 2008 11:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Whew... thats a relief!
The only way that could've possibly happened is with LaRoche + SS prospect and $.
No Harden and No Chavez make the A's go, something something...
by gdub171 on Mar 4, 2008 10:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, that destroys my theory
I thought Billy Beane was setting up the mother of all April Fools' jokes.
So it goes.
by jeepers on Mar 4, 2008 10:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Irresponsible Journalism
I bought season tickets in the center field bleachers based on this article!
;)
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by since72 on Mar 4, 2008 6:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But those haven't existed...
your user name. :-(
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by Nico on Mar 4, 2008 7:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
damn,
yall forgot we acquired Jason Kendall and his bloated contract. Anything's possible in the world of Billy Beane.
by sf drift king on Mar 4, 2008 11:12 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
... but didn't we acquire him with much of the contract on the Pirates' dime?
by Joey C. on Mar 4, 2008 11:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No ...
the money was largely canceled out by them taking Rhodes, Redman off our books ... we sent a little bit of money their way and they sent a little bit more money our way ... but it was mostly just a swap of undesirable contracts.
"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback
by devo on Mar 4, 2008 11:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A's gave Pittsburgh $1M in 2005 and 2006. PIttsburgh paid $5.5M of Kendall's 2007 salary.
Plus, Kendall has (or had in 2004) a lot more value than Pierre has right now. Kendall still has some value, and Pierre really doesn't.
by thejd44 on Mar 4, 2008 9:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I know ... like I said, we sent a little their way, they sent a little our way ...
And what's your point? Juan Pierre is worthless:
You're being too kind to Juan Pierre ...
he's Jason Kendall now ... and, unfortunately for their teams, neither player has any health concerns.
"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback
by devo on Mar 5, 2008 2:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't disagreeing with you
Just giving specifics of that deal according to Cot's.
by thejd44 on Mar 5, 2008 4:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
please god no
Only if its Pierre + Billingsley + Laroche + Kemp for Chavez
by ChadGod on Mar 4, 2008 12:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Is there a less likely A's player? Mr. Outs coming to Oakland would make me cry.
by thejd44 on Mar 4, 2008 1:37 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
it has been vehemently denied by the a's
according to mlbtraderumors.comn
"Sometimes Joe (morgan) doesn't like facts to get in the way of his opinions."- billy beane
by harendaman365 on Mar 4, 2008 4:02 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Expect a teary press conference ...
as Billy Beane complains that SuSlu hurt his feelings terribly by suggesting he would do something so stupid ...
"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback
by devo on Mar 4, 2008 4:04 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Olney insists the A's are
still discussing Coco Crisp, according to mlb trade rumors.
(I don't have access to the paid content that they are citing.)
by OaklandSi on Mar 5, 2008 9:55 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
by the way, I tried to highlight
mlb.com trade rumors, in order to link it to the url, but the posting menu seems to have been reduced, and it didn't work.
by OaklandSi on Mar 5, 2008 9:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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