Japan trip; in jeopardy? Red Sox players voted not to go!
by Athletics fan and runner on Mar 19, 2008 8:35 AM PDT
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It appears that there is a dispute about coaches and other non players getting paid to participate in the Japan Major League opening day festivities. The red sox have already held a one day strike boycotting their last spring training game today.
Here is the article.
Major league baseball is of course capable of retracting promises made to both the A's and BoSox to be a part of this trip. I wonder if the A's will follow suit or be MLB's lackey boys.
It will be interesting to see how this turns out.
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No word on A's reaction yet...
(Of course, I wonder if ESPN even asked...) I'm looking forward to hearing that.
I wonder...if the A's go and the Sox don't, does Oakland get two free wins? Eh...probably not...
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by FormerHuntsvilleStar on Mar 19, 2008 8:41 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i hope the A's
don't follow suit. I would be very disappointed if they sided with the Sox. Why did the Sox players wait so long to complain about it to this degree? I mean, it's not like the Japan trip is something that was decided in the last week or two. To wait until ST was this far along is bs. If they don't show up, they should forfiet the games.
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by OrlandoAsFan on Mar 19, 2008 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Better yet
stop complaining and just pony up the dough themselves. They make far and way more than they need, what's a 40 grand or two from some of the highest paid players for the opportunity their being given.
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by DMOAS on Mar 19, 2008 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The thing is...
The thing is, they shouldn't have to pony up the money themselves after MLB promised it.
OverTheMonster.com
by Randy Booth on Mar 19, 2008 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
it's just my screwed up way of looking at things, since i do seem to be in the minority on this subject. I just can't be sympathetic towards the coaches. If they actually needed the money, now that would be a different story.
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by OrlandoAsFan on Mar 19, 2008 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well the staff
The staff, such as the bullpen catchers, batboys, equipment managers, and ecetera, make very little money. The 40K bonus would likely be more than what many of them made in a year.
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by Athletics fan and runner on Mar 19, 2008 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They make very little money relative to A-Rod
But they are paid very, very well relative to the rest of the population.
by mikev on Mar 19, 2008 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
true
true for the coaches but not for other members of the staff.
That is besides the point though. MLB promised one thing and delivered another. They should not be allowed to get away with that.
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by Athletics fan and runner on Mar 19, 2008 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, if someone
does not need the money, regardless of the question of whether anyone has a right to define someone else's "need", they should not be paid the agreed upon sum?
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by rfloh on Mar 19, 2008 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
RE:
I think the issue is the MLB promised something to get these two teams to play in Japan, and now they are taking it back. Sounds like a classic screw-job to me.
by Randy Booth on Mar 19, 2008 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
RE:
Hey guys, Randy from OverTheMonster.com here...
The reason why it came up now is because Terry Francona heard from an A's coach that they were getting paid. Francona thought it was awkward one coaching staff would and the other wouldn't, so he looked into it to find out no coaches were getting paid. But in the original agreement it said all the coaches would be getting paid, so the players feel like (to put it simply) the MLB is dickin' them around. The Red Sox realize the coaches are as vital to the team as the players, and they don't want them to get screwed over.
OverTheMonster.com
by Randy Booth on Mar 19, 2008 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I admire the solidarity
I admire the solidarity that the BoSox players are showing towards their coaches and more importantly their staff. If MLB promised a bonus to the coaches and staff and is not following suit or some how attempting to change the agreement they should be forced to honour it. I wonder if the same agreement was made with the A's (I don't see why not). I hope that the A's players will protect their staff in the same manner.
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by Athletics fan and runner on Mar 19, 2008 8:50 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
If that's the reason, then good for them. I hope A's players follow suit. I just hope Schilling isn't the ring leader of this brigade.
by Colorado Fan on Mar 19, 2008 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
According to the ESPN broadcast
According to comments stated by the announcers on the ESPN and mlb.tv broadcast the A's are planning to follow suit.
It does appear that Schilling is vocal in this (and I do cringe when I hear him talk), as if that is surprising, but from what I can gather the motivation is to protect the coaches and staff.
It appears that the players are taking care of those around them.
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by Athletics fan and runner on Mar 19, 2008 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
RE:
Schilling is a voice, but Mike Lowell is the players' representative in this whole deal. He's holding meetings with Terry Francona and Theo Epstein as we speak.
OverTheMonster.com
by Randy Booth on Mar 19, 2008 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i can see
the reason for being upset. But on the other hand, i have to do a lot of extra things at work that i don't get paid for. And i'm not making the money these guys are making. I still think they need to 'sack up' and just deal with it. It's two days.
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by OrlandoAsFan on Mar 19, 2008 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have been in a position
I have been in a position in which I did a lot that I was not paid for. You and I both should not be put in that position. The players are doing this for the coaches and staff, people who do not generally have the resources that the players do.
I wish that there was more solidarity around issues like this for you and I, and all workers.
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by Athletics fan and runner on Mar 19, 2008 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
RE:
It's more than two days -- they're supposed to fly out to Japan today after the Jays game (which is also being boycotted) and not come back until the 27th or so.
OverTheMonster.com
by Randy Booth on Mar 19, 2008 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
alright, it is more than two days.
I was referring to the two games. sorry about that. should have been more clear.
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by OrlandoAsFan on Mar 19, 2008 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
RE:
I know what you meant, but I think the big picture is important. For the coaches and the staff, it's more than a week without seeing their families OR getting paid.
by Randy Booth on Mar 19, 2008 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
screw
seeing the families! That's a free trip. I'm just kidding. Families are good.
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by OrlandoAsFan on Mar 19, 2008 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, so, if your boss tells you
that you are not going to be paid for 2 days work, you should just "sack up" and deal with it? It's just 2 days.
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by rfloh on Mar 19, 2008 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats depends on
how much i make in a year. If i'm making 30k annually, hell no. But if i'm making 150k +, yes. Athletics Fan and Runner stated above that some of the coaches, bullpen catchers, etc. make less than 40k a year. If that's true, then i am willing to admit that i am wrong and the boycott is justified.
"Put some ice on it. After that, there's nothing a few beers won't take care of. " -Pink
by OrlandoAsFan on Mar 19, 2008 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not just the actual money
It is the promise that MLB gave them when they originally told them about the trip.
Bring back Hammer.
by OaktownPower on Mar 19, 2008 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We should all sack up and be succumb to communism
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by JediLeroy on Mar 19, 2008 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quips aren't as witty when you forget to grammar check
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by JediLeroy on Mar 19, 2008 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
coaches make about 60 to 100K a year
I believe that is the case.
As far as peripheral staff, I think that it is about 30 to 40 K a year. I applied for a job with the blue jays when I lived in downtown Toronto, and the salary would have been about 32K a year, Canadian.
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by Athletics fan and runner on Mar 19, 2008 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, I'm glad you are not my co worker
Boss: Hey Buck, ya heard you are working for free today?
Me: Like, no, boss, hadn't heard.
Boss: Yep, everybody's doing it, ask your buddy over there.
Me: Uh, uh?
Boss: Yeppers, so get to work slave
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by Buck Turgidson on Mar 19, 2008 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
are we seriously
still on this subject? Geez....this conversation was soooooo yesterday :)
"Put some ice on it. After that, there's nothing a few beers won't take care of. " -Pink
by OrlandoAsFan on Mar 20, 2008 7:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are these two days of work
an all expenses paid trip to a foreign country? I could probably deal with not getting paid for that.
That said, it's the world of professional sports. These guys live on a different planet to the rest of us.
by OldhamA on Mar 20, 2008 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe this was covered by somone else, but if I'm on a salary, and da boss wants me to take ...
... a business trip, I don't expect to be automatically bonussed for it.
Now, the players are covered by a collective bargaining agreement, which you'd have to read to understand their rights as employees. But I do not think the coaches and other folks are so covered.
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by The Dogfather on Mar 20, 2008 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please...
They were promised $40K and then MLB renegged on the deal. Sacking up has nothing to do with it, it has to do with MLB being lying weasels.....Props to the Sox today.
Bring back Hammer.
by OaktownPower on Mar 19, 2008 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
alright...this is the deal
when i first ready the post, i was thinking they were referring to the head coaches and people close to that level. I didn't realize they were talking about the people lower in the organization. I chose not to immediately admit my mistake and tried to defend my stance. Apparently that was a bad idea since i'm getting hammered for it now.
"Put some ice on it. After that, there's nothing a few beers won't take care of. " -Pink
by OrlandoAsFan on Mar 19, 2008 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
we still love you
a hammering on athleticsnation is better than a hugging at many other unmentionable blogs.
can you imagine this conversation at HH?
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by Athletics fan and runner on Mar 19, 2008 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's cool
i am not offended easily. i would rather have my statements turned back on me than have them completely ignored.
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by OrlandoAsFan on Mar 19, 2008 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"dipshyt."
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by The Dogfather on Mar 19, 2008 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fark version
"dipshiat"
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by doctorK on Mar 19, 2008 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha
I knew a wouldn't be able to shake that reputation for long :)
"Put some ice on it. After that, there's nothing a few beers won't take care of. " -Pink
by OrlandoAsFan on Mar 19, 2008 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
-a +I
must learn how to type properly.
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by OrlandoAsFan on Mar 19, 2008 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
head coaches or lower level is totally irrelevant
should manny not get the money because he already makes so much?
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by xbhaskarx on Mar 19, 2008 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure that they'll work it out...
...but if not, what does happen?
(Presuming that the A's are willing to go):
Two forfeits would be the literal decsion to make, but I'd suspect that rather than that, they'd schedule the two games for Oakland, probably one during the first week of the season and possibly a day/night DH when the Red Sox are back in May.
by Dr Pez on Mar 19, 2008 9:03 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
RE:
I'd hope that's what they'd do. Just make the two game A's series in Oakland a four game series. Sucks for Sox fans on the East Coast, but it's better than being in Japan...
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by Randy Booth on Mar 19, 2008 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sox earned soem respect from me today...
I love their decision. MLB will work it out, the trip will happen. It is not getting cancelled.
Bring back Hammer.
by OaktownPower on Mar 19, 2008 9:16 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
agreed
The red sox players, especially the reps Lowell and Youk, have earned some respect from me today.
They are taking care of those with less of a voice, such as the peripheral staff.
I also think that MLB will capitulate and the trip will happen.
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by Athletics fan and runner on Mar 19, 2008 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, no doubt...
10-12 coaches or so on the 2 teams? No way for $500K that MLB lets this whole thing get cancelled.
Bring back Hammer.
by OaktownPower on Mar 19, 2008 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
The trip will definitely happen. If it didn't, the MLB would look sooo bad in the eyes any onlookers. If the MLB was smart, they won't let anything like this happen in 2012, either.
by Randy Booth on Mar 19, 2008 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stark says they'll go
At the end of the day (literally) the Red Sox will get on that plane and will head for Japan. I've been around that team twice in the last week, and I have no doubt that these guys completely understand the profound global ramifications of this trip. Nobody needs to explain to them that this isn't just another road series on their pocket schedules. This is an event of major significance for the sport, for the franchise and for the nation they're about to visit. So in the end, I think they know they have to go.
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by JediLeroy on Mar 19, 2008 9:22 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
RE:
I think the Sox are using the importance of the situation as leverage in their fight to get what the MLB promised. These guys aren't dumb; they know if they didn't go to Japan there would be thousands (maybe millions?) of pissed off people in the world. The games will be played, it's just a matter of when the MLB cracks...
by Randy Booth on Mar 19, 2008 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
did anybody notice
did anybody notice that Varitek's comments were muted when he was interviewed on the MLB.tv broadcast. It appears that they were censoring him in the name of damage control.
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by Athletics fan and runner on Mar 19, 2008 9:26 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
RE:
Didn't see the interview. What exactly happened?
by Randy Booth on Mar 19, 2008 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
On the mlb broadcast
they are talking about the current boycott of the game and the wider trip. during the broadcast they cut to an interview with Varitek in the dugout. The audio was cut for the length of the interview.
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by Athletics fan and runner on Mar 19, 2008 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
{affixes jumbo binder clip to nose}
Props to Schilling for being out front on this matter.
{showers using steel wool, vinegar, and Ajax}
way to speed humanities demise douche bags! @('.')@
by monkeyball on Mar 19, 2008 9:56 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Lowell, Youk, and Varitek
Lowell, Youk, and Varitek were the ones out front about this. Schill just talked a lot.......
I don't really know but that is the impression that I want get.
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by Athletics fan and runner on Mar 19, 2008 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
IN 'R OUT
Assuming that the coaches compensation was in fact in the contract, this is a bad move by MLB.
What I would have liked to see was the BoSox players talking with the A's players and staff to see where they stand and why before broadcasting their decision. I also would have liked to see a joint effort instead of just the Sox taking it on.
To the A's and their fans it smacks of arrogance as the important franchise that is the leveraging figure of the matter and the A's are a relegated fodder team to play against.
I would like to hear reasons from the MLB as to why (if it was in the contract) that the coaches are not to be paid the bonus. If there is a legitimate legal reason that - lets face it, players aren't exactly lawyers - then the top paid players will donate their bonus to pay for the coaches.
It's just more exciting with Billy Beane running the team.
by ru155 on Mar 19, 2008 9:56 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It appears
It appears that the BoSox players did contact at least Alan Embree, the A's player rep. He just made statements that appeared on the ESPN broadcast that basically said, "The coaches need to be compensated, this is the right thing to do."
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by Athletics fan and runner on Mar 19, 2008 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the a's have no leverage
espn probably doesn't even know they're supposed to play in japan.
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by xbhaskarx on Mar 19, 2008 9:57 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Heard this on the Sox-Jays ESPN broadcast this morning...
"David Ortiz! Manny Ramirez! And the Boston Red Sox live from Japan in less than a week! Watch from Tokyo as the Red Sox take on (pause) Eric Chavez and the A's."
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by BWH on Mar 19, 2008 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Chavez isn't even going.
Classic ESPN.
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by JediLeroy on Mar 19, 2008 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you have mlb.tv
Check out the Red Sox game video feed right now. The Sox are delaying the start of the game (not taking the field) due to the dispute. However, they expect the game to begin at around 10:10, so the announcers are speculating that a deal is close or has been reached, and the Japan trip will go forward as planned.
by HigherPie on Mar 19, 2008 10:01 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I was about to post that
You're lucky that you are a fellow vegan... Otherwise I might have to boil and eat you.
Rickey Henderson: 35, 24, hall of fame!
by Athletics fan and runner on Mar 19, 2008 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just started a conference call
so if you want to post any updates from the game, that'd be sweet, in a vegan kind of way.
by HigherPie on Mar 19, 2008 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sweet in a vegan sort of way?
Well, the announcers are now just talking about baseball.
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by Athletics fan and runner on Mar 19, 2008 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
eckstein made an out and stewart is up
is that sweet in a vegan sort of way?
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by Athletics fan and runner on Mar 19, 2008 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Japan-a-nation
Hey, how terrible would it be for the staffs to go to Japan for 20 days (10 days? - Varitek said 20). Going on an expensed trip to visit an amazing country as party of a celebrity entourage.
I assume that the 40K is a BONUS and not part of business expenses.
It's just more exciting with Billy Beane running the team.
by ru155 on Mar 19, 2008 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the point is
that should have discussed before the trip was agreed to. The point is, MLB promised it and then reneged.
Rickey Henderson: 35, 24, hall of fame!
by Athletics fan and runner on Mar 19, 2008 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure
but if I was in the situation as a lowly paid person as part of the staff - and believe me, I am a lowly paid person as part of a staff - I would still want to go even if I didn't get a bonus.
It's just more exciting with Billy Beane running the team.
by ru155 on Mar 19, 2008 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
this makes it all a more powerful statement
that the players, who are well compensated and have much more to lose than to gain by taking this stance, took this stance on behalf of the coaches and other staff.
Rickey Henderson: 35, 24, hall of fame!
by Athletics fan and runner on Mar 19, 2008 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just can't believe
MLB was/is going to screw the Red Sox. I would expect them to do this to the A's (and according to an earlier post, the A's staff are all being compensated), but not the favorite sons of Boston...heaven forbid! Bizzaro world.
Aahh, Frick!... Don't tell me Bill King is going to be passed over again!
by PortlandPachyderm on Mar 19, 2008 10:11 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
actually
the A's coaches were not being compensated. There was some confusion about this.
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by Athletics fan and runner on Mar 19, 2008 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, that makes more sense then
But I still wouldn't have been surprised to see MLB pay the Sox and forget about the A's.
I can't help but wonder if the A's players had done this instead of the Sox, if the media and MLB, etc would have even noticed. Sad, but reality.
Aahh, Frick!... Don't tell me Bill King is going to be passed over again!
by PortlandPachyderm on Mar 19, 2008 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder
I wonder if Jason Stark would have lauded it as the right thing to do were it the A's.
Or maybe I just want to see my own diary hit 100 comments.
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by Athletics fan and runner on Mar 19, 2008 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, they're playing now, so a resolution must have happened
(according to mlb.com)
I wonder if the A's coaches are going to get paid now or if this is only about the Sox.
It may be a case of the A's were just happy to go, but Boston wanted extra compensation for the "inconvenience" of having to travel to Japan to play the AAAA's.
Aahh, Frick!... Don't tell me Bill King is going to be passed over again!
by PortlandPachyderm on Mar 19, 2008 10:22 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Settled
The Boston Red Sox and Major League baseball on Wednesday resolved a dispute over bonus pay for coaches for a trip to Japan, hours after the team unanimously voted not to play Wednesday's scheduled spring training game or board a plane for Japan.
by HigherPie on Mar 19, 2008 10:24 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
MLB.Com spins it a little differently
A misunderstanding over whether the Red Sox coaching, training and clubhouse staffs would receive stipends for making a trip to Tokyo appeared to be resolved on Wednesday, about 40 minutes after the scheduled start of an exhibition game against the Blue Jays.
A misunderstanding? What's to misunderstand, pay us or we don't play. Spin Control at its best.
by theblackpearl on Mar 19, 2008 10:28 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
haha
MLB has always been a shifty corporation.
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by Athletics fan and runner on Mar 19, 2008 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
See...
this is how I like things.
I was in a meeting all morning with no idea this mess was going on. By the time we break for lunch, it was solved. Why can't more problems be like this? :)
by Jennifer on Mar 19, 2008 10:43 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, right
You should have refused to participate in the meeting until it was resolved, you corporate lickspittle toady.
way to speed humanities demise douche bags! @('.')@
by monkeyball on Mar 19, 2008 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
SuSlu reporting...
The problem started when the Red Sox players demanded more money.
If there was a deal for $25k, and then the Sox came back demanding $40k (or more) - then wasn't it Boston that reneged on promises first?
by calgbear on Mar 19, 2008 11:27 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
by calgbear on Mar 19, 2008 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
WOW!
So basically it was the player's greed on the Sox to begin with according to that note on SFGate. If that's true then I can continue to hate the Sox adnausium and revel in the fact that they are being sooooooo inconvenienced to go to Japan that they had to reschedule the A's home opener for a DAY GAME!
Seriously guys, lets not lose sight of whose getting the favors.
It's just more exciting with Billy Beane running the team.
by ru155 on Mar 19, 2008 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
First of all, what took the Sox so long
to protest this trip - I've been protesting it for months!
Second of all, I think the Red Sox should protest the trip by going and then throwing the games. Right, Sox - isn't that a great idea?
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by Nico on Mar 19, 2008 11:41 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It doesn't matter
If the Red Sox were sticking up for the staff, or if they were just being greedy ..... I hate them like I've never hated anything in my life.
VacaAsFan
by Vacafan on Mar 19, 2008 12:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreeing once again
According to the article now up on SFGate the Red Sox were initially going to be paid 25K a pop and that included all staff. But then the Greed Sox held out for 40K and all the money that was left for that portion from the promoters basically was soaked up paying for the players.
So everyone was going to get 25K ---> RedSox players hold out ----> no money left for staff ---> sox players think they're God's gift to baseball ------> no money to pay coaches ------> Players blame MLB for no money to pay coaches -------> Greed Sox look like Heros.
It's just more exciting with Billy Beane running the team.
by ru155 on Mar 19, 2008 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
nice avatar!
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by Buck Turgidson on Mar 19, 2008 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't know what the real story is
the worst part about all this is it gives the media more of a reason to fawn over the f'ing red sox.
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by xbhaskarx on Mar 19, 2008 3:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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