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I wanted to address some myths – as I see them – being thrown around by the angry and frustrated. My two cents…

Myth: The A’s never intended to give Todd Linden a shot at making the Opening Day roster.

Truth: The A’s brought Linden in as an insurance policy in case one of the top four outfielders in camp (Emil Brown, Travis Buck, Chris Denorfia, Ryan Sweeney) couldn’t cut it, either via injury or performance. Had Linden batted .280 in the Cactus League and it was Buck, not Carlos Gonzalez, who pulled a hammy, Linden would have had a better chance of making the team than he did batting over .500 with a track record of being a AAAA hitter who will excel against…well, the range of pitchers you see in March, not the ones you tend to see in April. In other words, Linden’s hopes of making the team rested more on whether Denorfia and Sweeney looked “ready for prime time” and whether Brown and Buck were healthy. Just because he did his job and more and still didn’t get the job doesn’t mean that Linden was given a false promise. Being a 6th starter is all about seeing how the five above you fare. So is being a 5th outfielder. Welcome to the big leagues, Todd – or in this case, not.

Myth: Linden didn’t make the team on a small sample but Dana Eveland won the 5th starter spot based on his 15 innings of work.

Truth: Eveland’s performance mattered, but only to the extent that the A’s needed to see that he indeed seemed ready for major league competition. It was Eveland’s spot to lose and the way DiNardo pitched (not to mention the way Greg Smith pitched), Eveland would have lost the spot had he thrown badly – but note that I say “thrown badly” and not “had a 5.00 ERA.” Cactus League stats don’t matter, but the process is watched closely. Eveland showed a good arm, enough poise to wobble through trouble successfully, and good enough command, not to lose the spot. Had Eveland thrown the way he did in his previous major league cups of coffee, and indicated he wasn’t ready for prime time, the A’s would have looked to the next option – in this case DiNardo. In other words, Eveland’s “small sample” was good enough, and Linden’s wasn’t, because Eveland entered the Cactus League as the fifth ranked candidate for a group of five and Linden entered the Cactus League as the fifth ranked candidate for a group of four.

Myth: Emil Brown was signed as filler and doesn’t fit into team that is rebuilding.

Truth:
Sometimes the A’s sign a player because they believe the player is better than he currently appears to be. Coming off a down year, Brown was not coveted by others and was thus available to the A’s cheaply – as were unknowns (at the time) Jack Hannahan and Chad Gaudin. Brown put up a line of .286/.349/.455 with 17 HRs, 86 RBI (and 10 SB) in 2005, then followed it up with a line of .287/.358/457 with 15 HR and 81 RBI in 2006. At 33 years old, the A’s probably feel he has a good season in him – they’re not looking for 4-5 good seasons – and like the balance his right-handed bat will give the A’s lineup. And don’t fool yourself: Billy Beane is never just “rebuilding”. He knows that stuff happens – stuff like John Lackey and Kelvim Escober going down at the same time – and that it pays to set the team up to be as competitive as possible, just in case. If everything breaks right for the Royals, they’ll still lose a truckload of games. If everything breaks right for the A’s, it could be 2005 all over again. And if Emil Brown can make the A’s a couple games better, he’s not “filler,” he’s “a couple games closer to the top in 2008.” Plus, we just like guys named Brown, Sweeney, and Gonzalez, ok?

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nice job

in the middle of reading it (I was sitting here waiting for the Bayporter to pick me up to go to the airport0 I get a call from the airlines that my flight was cancelled. Seems things are really really scary in Dallas, which is where I was to get a connecting flight to the Caribbean. So after all the hassle of getting rerouted tomorrow, calling my family, and getting Bayporter to pick me up tomorrow instead...I now return to AN...what fun.

Anyway, I really enjoy the fact that, regardless of all the prognoses, analyses, and wishcasting, the season itself is about to unfold. A good organization needs to plan for as many variables as possible, while trying to put a good team on the field and thinking about making the club better in the future. I'm looking forward very much to 2008.

by OaklandSi on Mar 18, 2008 7:31 PM PDT   0 recs

Holy Hell!

What's this? Another post by an AN writer sticking up for the A's management at the first sign of fans questioning them. No way, I can't believe it - I've never seen it on AN before!!!!!

It's become so blatantly obvious how frickin ultra sensitive you guys are to anyone questioning the brass.

Oh oh oh , did I spell everything right? Can we add a few witicisms to make a few blog buddies have a giggle? Wait, wait - I know - let's just frickin rip on young fans, newbies, the elderly, the not so in the know or in the ass of beane & co fans....yeeehaw....I love AN - don't you? I need me a dorky blogger t-shirt! Idiots. I almost forgot, I truly believe the A's should and will sign Barry Bonds. lol

Wheeeee aren't I cute? wheeeee hehehehe hahahah hohohoho

by aioafoi on Mar 19, 2008 6:46 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

tokyo?

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Mar 19, 2008 9:41 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

seems like it from the t-shirt bit

or at least a devotee...

The A's colors are green and gold.

by mikeA on Mar 19, 2008 11:57 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Myth! Myth!

Yeth?

"If I have to be remembered because of *statistics*, then I did something wrong along the way." ~ Brett Favre

by Poppy on Mar 18, 2008 7:37 PM PDT   0 recs

Mythster! Mythster!!!!

Dang - I mythster again.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Mar 18, 2008 7:56 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Doctor: "big breaths!"

Patient: "yeth -- an' I'm only sixthteen!"

The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on Mar 18, 2008 11:16 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

zingggggg

President of the Joey Devine fan club as of 1/15/08. Accepting applications for other positions. "He has no equivalent." -Paul DePodesta on Jeremy Brown

by flipgatey3 on Mar 18, 2008 11:29 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm starting to really dislike this guy

Another nugget from Slusser:

Linden came to the park late Tuesday and was out sick, team trainers told Geren.

Riiiight.

by HigherPie on Mar 18, 2008 8:38 PM PDT   0 recs

conspiracy theory much?

President of the Joey Devine fan club as of 1/15/08. Accepting applications for other positions. "He has no equivalent." -Paul DePodesta on Jeremy Brown

by flipgatey3 on Mar 18, 2008 11:29 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

A conspiracy of one.

As I see it, one of 3 things happened:

1) Linden went out and had himself 17 beers last night after finding out he didn't make the ballclub, and was therefore "sick" this morning. Probability of this being the case: ~56%
2) Linden simply didn't feel like showing up today. Probability of this being the case: ~43%
3) Linden is actually medically ill through no fault of his own. Probability of this being the case: ~1%

The Angels should take a good look at this guy. Seems like he'd fit right in with Scioscia.

by HigherPie on Mar 18, 2008 11:58 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

re

Well, Linden wasn't so much an insurance policy as an afterthought once the A's got Gonzalez, Brown, Fiorentino, and Sweeney. At the time he signed his chances were probably around 25% to make the team. After those guys were brought in, he clearly had almost no shot (and whatever miniscule chance he had left probably went up in smoke after his popoffs in the paper.)

Agreed on the other two points. I'd guess Beane thinks more highly of Brown than just about every poster on this site.

by 31Boots on Mar 18, 2008 8:52 PM PDT   0 recs

No, the problem is

a few people post their displeasure with the Brown signing, and then about 200 members who -- shall we say, "follow along"? -- decide they don't like him either. It's ridiculous. I don't care really -- you know I like to see the pot stirred from time to time, but that's why the vast majority "hates" Crosby and "loves" Chavez here as well. .240 with about 15 jacks and half the season on the DL looks the same to me...

VacaAsFan

by Vacafan on Mar 18, 2008 9:05 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

chavez was playing hurt

Crosby wasn't. But i know what you mean, people need to lighten up on Crosby a bit. He was good in 2005 why can't that happen again?

"It's like déjà vu all over again." -yogi berra

by Cheezombie on Mar 18, 2008 11:12 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

This post is so obviously unfair and inflammatory

that the only explanation for it is that you're trolling.

Not cool.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Mar 18, 2008 11:56 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Really?

Crosby hasn't hit .240 in two years and he's only managed 17 HR since 2005.

Broke down Chavez, the man who needed 3 seperate surgeries last year, managed .240/15 HR last year. Please provide me withe the link to the stats of the Bobby Crosby who managed that output last year. I thought my hate towards Crosby was focused on one player but if you're right and I can have another target... well, more fun for me!

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Mar 19, 2008 12:12 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Well,

it seemed like .240 :-) ... when it drops below two-fifty, I stop looking.

VacaAsFan

by Vacafan on Mar 19, 2008 8:12 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Understandable

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Mar 19, 2008 9:02 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Isn't the chronology on that wrong?

I thought Linden was acquired after all of those guys.

So it goes.

by jeepers on Mar 19, 2008 6:29 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

nope, mid-november

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Mar 19, 2008 9:40 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

#1 doesn't make sense.

"Myth: The A’s never intended to give Todd Linden a shot at making the Opening Day roster.

Truth: The A’s brought Linden in as an insurance policy in case one of the top four outfielders in camp (Emil Brown, Travis Buck, Chris Denorfia, Ryan Sweeney) couldn’t cut it, either via injury or performance. Had Linden batted .280 in the Cactus League and it was Buck, not Carlos Gonzalez, who pulled a hammy, Linden would have had a better chance of making the team than he did batting over .500 with a track record of being a AAAA hitter who will excel against…well, the range of pitchers you see in March, not the ones you tend to see in April."

The truth part sounds like an affirmation of the myth. Having your only chance of making the team hinge on disaster is hardly a "shot" at making the roster. I wouldn't call what Sweeney and Denorfia have done this spring "performing," either, even if Denorfia's last couple of games have been encouraging.

I think it's much easier to defend never giving Linden a shot as an intelligent baseball decision in itself than it is to call it a myth.

So it goes.

by jeepers on Mar 18, 2008 9:16 PM PDT   0 recs

Every spring for the last several years

there has been precisely the "disaster" you claim would have been necessary, jeepers. Scutaro made the team two years in a row thanks to late-March injuries. I think the events of the past few years has caused the A's to double the number of insurance policies they invite - so from that standpoint, each one has a lower probability of sticking - but the number has increased precisely because it has proven to be far from rare that a player goes down, or proves not ready, in spring training.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Mar 18, 2008 9:54 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

or

trade bait

President of the Joey Devine fan club as of 1/15/08. Accepting applications for other positions. "He has no equivalent." -Paul DePodesta on Jeremy Brown

by flipgatey3 on Mar 18, 2008 11:30 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't dispute that bringing Linden to camp

was a wise baseball decision (whether or not Linden's decision to sign here was wise is another matter). But to say the A's intended to give him a shot isn't really accurate. That would imply his performance in camp would have an affect on the decision, and as you state clearly, it didn't. The A's intended to give themselves an insurance policy--not to give Linden a shot to earn a roster spot.

Whether or not the A's told him that to get him to sign here is a "he said, she said" thing that's pretty hard to discern. I would hope that they provided him the same frank assessment of his chances as you did.

So it goes.

by jeepers on Mar 19, 2008 6:10 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree

I mean if an argument can be, "well he is not doing it against big league pitchers" why is it not scary that a guy "above" him in Denorfia is hitting less than .300 against the same non-big league pitchers. Being entirely realistic at least 2 outfielders would have had to get injured to the tune of 2 months or more on the DL for Linden to get a sniff. Given the A's history of inability to properly maintain health leading to injuries I am not opposed to this theory, but I certainly don't fault Linden for the way he feels.

"Just looking at Lackey's face, you just want to beat him" -Ray Fosse

by marco magic on Mar 19, 2008 1:38 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Because it's a small sample size!

And small sample size is always available to be cited when it helps you make your point, and apparently completely ignored when it doesn't help.

by mikev on Mar 19, 2008 8:04 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree to agree

I think that Linden doing what he did, which certainly can't be taken lightly. Batting .577 for all of spring is pretty solid.

I know there is the double standard for batters and pitchers; elite pitchers can tool with their approach and practice while batters should be trying to hit everything.

I think that I'm still a little gun shy about Brown and Denorfia as Brown is no young buck and Den is coming off of a missed season. They didn't have to take Linden to Japan because it's just 2 games and you want your expected starters to get the time, but I'd let Linden join the roster back in Oakland and give him some days during the season.

If he hits during a couple of opportunities in April, then I'd keep him and start giving him some time. He's only 28! If he has worked his tail off and has retooled to become a better player, then give him a chance!

I'm not saying he should be starting, but dang it, give the guy a shot to prove that he either is or isn't a mirage.

It's just more exciting with Billy Beane running the team.

by ru155 on Mar 19, 2008 7:15 AM PDT   0 recs

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