Open Thread: Game 16 - A's vs. Gidres & Podants
by Nico on Mar 15, 2008 12:35 PM PDT
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PrintUPDATE, 1:25 PDT - John Lackey left his start today with a strained right triceps and will miss at least a month of the season. Combined with Kelvim Escobar's injury problems, this could be huge.
It's Split Sad Squatterday!!! Through a miracle known in Science (and Trout Magazine) as fission, the A's - despite beginning the day as one single organism - are managing to host the Giants while they visit the Padres. It's truly incredulous, to the point where I am rendered incredible.
The starting lineups currently look like this:
Bucknorfia - CF
Ellilo - 2B
Cussweeny - DH
Chavannahan - 3B
Swe--
You know, maybe I'll wait for the real ones. Stay tuned.
OK, here we go...In the A's-Giants game, Henry Rodriguez takes the mound for his first starting effort, with this lineup behind him:
Ellis – 2B
Barton – 1B
Crosby – SS
Cust – DH
Murphy – 3B
Suzuki – C
R. Sweeney – CF
Linden – RF
Fiorentino – LF
In the A's-Padres game, Lenny DiNardo takes the mound with this lineup behind him:
Denorfia – CF
Buck – RF
M. Sweeney – DH
E. Brown – LF
Johnson – 1B
Bowen – C
Hannahan – 3B
Conrad – 2B
Petit – SS
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Lineups
Oak Vs SD
Oakland
Denorfia,
Buck, RF
Sweeney, M, DH
Brown, E, LF
Johnson, 1B
Bowen, C
Hannahan, 3B
Conrad, 2B
Petit, SS
San Diego
DaVanon, RF
Iguchi, 2B
McAnulty, LF
Clark, DH
Greene, SS
Bard, C
Fick, 1B
McDougall, 3B
Crabbe, CF
mcnulty?
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
I already miss this show more than you could possibly know
And it hasn't even been over for a week yet. I might have to rewatch the whole series.
by thejd44 on Mar 15, 2008 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Other Lineup
Oakland
Ellis, 2B
Barton, 1B
Crosby, SS
Cust, DH
Murphy, 3B
Suzuki, C
Sweeney, R, CF
Linden, RF
Fiorentino, LF
San Francisco
Roberts, LF
Velez, 2B
Lewis, CF
Schierholtz, RF
Frandsen, 3B
Leone, 1B
Ishikawa, DH
Rodriguez, G,
Ochoa, SS
Where is Henry Rodriguez starting the year?
AA Midland?
"Who's this Seagon guy? Is he in A-ball or something?" - Billy Beane
should be an awesome rotation
"Who's this Seagon guy? Is he in A-ball or something?" - Billy Beane
by pickinmachine on Mar 15, 2008 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions
another walk
bases loaded for the giants
"Who's this Seagon guy? Is he in A-ball or something?" - Billy Beane
H-Rod sucks
Release him.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Ellis is awesome!
Sign him to a 6-year extension!
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Actually 2 - 0
Travis Buck was on base too
by Coffee13eans on Mar 15, 2008 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Is the game loading slow for you too or is just me?
by Coffee13eans on Mar 15, 2008 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow - Zito this spring:
7.1 IP, 14 hits, 0 Ks
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
last night I heard a commenter on KNBR
suggest that the Giants' stipulation in the contract that Zito stop surfing will hurt his ability to condition and keep his shoulders strong during the offseason...of course, that doesn't explain last season's performance...
JOHN LACKEY OUT AT LEAST ONE MONTH
with a strained right triceps.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Folks - the A's are in the race
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
I was thinking, you don't know me that well to call me a no brainer, do you
by theblackpearl on Mar 15, 2008 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
what no love for ellis single to open the game?
"Who's this Seagon guy? Is he in A-ball or something?" - Billy Beane
by pickinmachine on Mar 15, 2008 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions
solid :)
"Who's this Seagon guy? Is he in A-ball or something?" - Billy Beane
by pickinmachine on Mar 15, 2008 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions
San Diego game update
Petit and Denorfia singles, Hannahan K's, Conrad flies out to CF, Buck force out on a grounder to 2nd.
None score still 2 - 0
OT how do you shrink your pics for your profile image
I have the wash bobblehead, but it cuts it off
"Who's this Seagon guy? Is he in A-ball or something?" - Billy Beane
Thanks!
email sent
"Who's this Seagon guy? Is he in A-ball or something?" - Billy Beane
by pickinmachine on Mar 15, 2008 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
perfect
thanks man.
"Who's this Seagon guy? Is he in A-ball or something?" - Billy Beane
by pickinmachine on Mar 15, 2008 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Giants are getting their ass kicked
Linden ropes a double 6-1 A's
"Who's this Seagon guy? Is he in A-ball or something?" - Billy Beane
I wish we could play the giants like 30 times this year
by TheGreenGoldCrush on Mar 15, 2008 1:37 PM PDT reply actions
we play the Giants 6 times on the regular schedule if that's any consolation
by Coffee13eans on Mar 15, 2008 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Todd Linden hitting the ball again
And the Giants... are really, really bad. I mean, bad. This pitcher for them today must really be Misching his spots or something.
by thejd44 on Mar 15, 2008 1:37 PM PDT reply actions
broshuis
weird
"Who's this Seagon guy? Is he in A-ball or something?" - Billy Beane
by pickinmachine on Mar 15, 2008 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Everywhere I turn I hear
people saying the Mariners are good. I just dont see it.
When will then be now? Soon.
Everywhere you turn, people are saying
the A's aren't good, too. Pre-season picks are all about going with the obvious - picking who did well last year, or who has high profile names.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
If we are close in June/July
and bring up CarGon and Gio.. and maybe make a trade for whatever we need, we be in great position.
When will then be now? Soon.
.1 inning for Mische and 6 ER against. ouch.
by TheGreenGoldCrush on Mar 15, 2008 1:42 PM PDT reply actions
Even the Giants minor leagues must suck
Because this Broshuis guy went 3-17 with a 3.88 ERA last season. That's some ridiculously awful run support.
by thejd44 on Mar 15, 2008 1:45 PM PDT reply actions
DiNardo is having a tremendous spring
Why aren't people giving him more of a chance in the 5th starter derby?
by thejd44 on Mar 15, 2008 1:47 PM PDT reply actions
Cause he's not 16 years old
Like the other guys.
I agree with you, though. We could do a lot worse than Lenny. If nothing else, he might be nice trade bait in June.
the guys over at KNBR
have been saying that the minor league position players at AAA and the so-called younger guys in the Giants' camp are organization soldiers and AAAA types mostly, no real prospects in the positions at the upper levels. That's part of why you hear so much gallows humor on most of the programs. They know it's going to be a looonnggg season at the phone booth
i wish they would follow the game more
i know it's spring training, but they're making it hard for me to listen. too much of a performance.
Yeah, we need pinpoint PBP
like during the Buancasts.
by thejd44 on Mar 15, 2008 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
damn he really is having a fantastic spring
"Who's this Seagon guy? Is he in A-ball or something?" - Billy Beane
by pickinmachine on Mar 15, 2008 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
depends on who was the opposing pitcher
at least in part...also I doubt that an older player like Conrad will make the club. He's probably ticketed for Sacramento (unless, heaven forbid, there are infielder injuries on the big club)
In Conrad's case
that infielder would have to be Mark Ellis, because Conrad can't really play anywhere else but second base.
by thejd44 on Mar 15, 2008 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Its probably Jerry Coleman
hes incredibly popular down here in San Diego.
"Who's this Seagon guy? Is he in A-ball or something?" - Billy Beane
by pickinmachine on Mar 15, 2008 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Ha Ha Ha
Ha
We have havetwo lineups that are better than the Giants one! I love It!
"Not in your wildest alcoholic nightmare would you ever imagines such events unfolding!" Bill King
Break up the A's -- and the Rivercats!
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
by The Dogfather on Mar 15, 2008 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Giants are also playing two split squad games today
with most of the 25-man potentials in the other game.
But you're right -- even on KNBR they're predicting a dismal season for the Giants
Sidney Ponson -
Yeah, the Rangers figure to contend this year.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
very economical 6-pitch inning
he's probably battling DiNardo for the swingman spot (sixth starter/long reliever). DiNardo is on the 40 man roster while Saarloos signed a minor league contract, so I'm guessing DiNardo has the edge.
So are you guys following both games in this thread?
which one do you have on audio? I'm here til my son finds a good stopping point in his video game so we can go buy a birthday present (and I have 2 hours in the house to myself!)
both are on mlb.com audio
but the game against the Giants is on the A's radio network (in the Bay Area, 1550 AM/KFRC FM)
Great for Denorfia
Nice to see his stats improve as the end of spring training comes toward its end...
Charlie Brown GO A'S WIN
by Charlie Brown on Mar 15, 2008 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Linden another basehit
4-4 today
"Who's this Seagon guy? Is he in A-ball or something?" - Billy Beane
Oh, he's just getting it out of his system.
Plus, he's due.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
Do you think Linden is going to make the roster out
of spring training???
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Going to take a number of 40 man roster additions...
Means players being designated for assignment or else going on 60 day d.l.
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by Charlie Brown on Mar 15, 2008 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, quite likely on Calero...
Chavez I had not considered for 60 day... Guess a good possibility that he will go on 15 day d.l.
OTOH, Oakland will probably just wait a week or so and then think about putting him on the 15 day d.l. You know___ the Oakland way of using the d.l.
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by Charlie Brown on Mar 15, 2008 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions
right, I'm expecting the 15 day DL for him
but wouldn't be surprised at the 60 day DL, when you consider how many surgeries he had, and the fact that he hasn't been able even to field grounders or run in spring training.
Now is the time to d.l. him for 60 days then so he will be back around 15 May.
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by Charlie Brown on Mar 15, 2008 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
that would make sense
thought it hasn't been the A's way of doing things.
Let's see if they do it prior to leaving on the 19th (after the game that day)
Don't think it works like that
I'd guess the first day you can put him on the DL would be the first day of the season, but with them being allowed to bring 30 guys to Japan (and 28 active by the time the games start) they might not even be able to DL him until the official opening day.
by thejd44 on Mar 15, 2008 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions
last year Kotsay was placed on the 60 day DL
on March 23. That was at least a week before the season started.
Which of the 3 is a better Center Fielder?
I say Linden. Thoughts?
by A'sfansince1970 on Mar 15, 2008 3:26 PM PDT reply actions
Not sure. Let the Manager choose one...
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by Charlie Brown on Mar 15, 2008 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions
obviously, we have no input
I've never seen Denorfia play, have no idea what he looks like in center field
25 man roster likely will carry
four outfielders (plus Cust). Buck is assured of a spot, Brown likely is as well (he signed a guaranteed major league contract). So you have Denorfia, R. Sweeney and Linden competing for the final two spots (I doubt Fiorentino will make it).
Concur on no Fiorentino... but he can play at Sacto
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by Charlie Brown on Mar 15, 2008 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions
dont forget cargon
yes he hurt his hammy but he does have an outside chance to make it
"Doesn't play well with the other children." Ms. Darias, principal, Broad Ave School
I would guess no
I think it was an outside chance before he got hurt. With more options available, I think the A's would prefer to have him play at least a couple of months in Sacramento
Conrad Mashes
I would imagine the ump gave a big strikezone late in a 10-2 blowout...I'll bet Linden was pissed if that's the case...
...check out Conrad...i don't know much about him defensively, but he's maching the ball...5 rbi today with his 6th double and second HR...offense wiins ball games....I'd like to see him get a chance while Chavez is out, but he's another non-Roster guy for whom there probably isn;t room
Yep, that is true that there is probably no room for him
on the big league roster. But can never tell what will develop if he is needed...
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by Charlie Brown on Mar 15, 2008 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Every pitcher the A's
had going today had atleast 1 K. Except Shipman who pitch 1/3 of an inning.
When will then be now? Soon.
he other game is over, A's win 9-3
the mlb.com audio for that game is almost inaudible, for some reason
Well Bedard gave up 6
spring training stats are more than a little silly
"Not in your wildest alcoholic nightmare would you ever imagines such events unfolding!" Bill King
true, but the concern with Zito is a possible trend
of decline, both with fastball speed (from 89 to 84 is significant if he needs it to set up his other pitches), and the fact that umps are rarely calling his curveball a strike now.
yeah, I'm glad it's not my concern
"Not in your wildest alcoholic nightmare would you ever imagines such events unfolding!" Bill King
by Buck Turgidson on Mar 15, 2008 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah, and even though spring training stats mean nothing
the Giants have to be concerned about Zito's performance
I think they have a lot more to worry about than is Zito gonna perform like a #3
Like hey, our entire infield is below replacement level. And our Center fielder is our best hitter, but we'll see how he looks after chasing flyballs and line drives all over our cavernous outfield for 162 games.
"Not in your wildest alcoholic nightmare would you ever imagines such events unfolding!" Bill King
by Buck Turgidson on Mar 15, 2008 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions
agreed
and Zito's performance is made more critical when you think of how much they are paying him...and for how long...even with deep pockets that has to limit their ability to sign better players
so, zito this spring
7.1 ip, 14h, 17r, 2hr, 6bb, 0k before today
5.1 IP, 7 H, 7 R, 2 HR, 4 BB, 0 K
12.2 ip, 21h, 24r, 4hr, 10bb, 0k
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
He's a 28-year-old career minor leaguer
with minor league numbers that aren't great by any means. I wish people would stop looking at a handful of ST at bats for the guy and look at his entire pro career before thinking Brooks frekaing Conrad is some kind of answer to a question other than "Who can get some at bats in Sacramento this year?"
If something happens to Ellis, Murphy (a younger, and significantly superior player) should, and likely would, get the first crack at the job. Unless of course he's playing short, then I give it to Hannahan. Then I give it to Melillo or Petit. I'm not sure when I'd let Conrad get a shot, but it wouldn't be until a lot of others completely failed.
by thejd44 on Mar 15, 2008 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Sounds like what you would have said about Jack Cust last spring, huh???
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by Charlie Brown on Mar 15, 2008 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I know how horrible that Conrads were last season.
Just saying there is a time to wake up and take a closer look... at the numbers being posted.
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by Charlie Brown on Mar 15, 2008 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't get what Conrad's doing there then
By your account, there's literally no use for him at the big league club. What do you think the front office is thinking by letting Brooks start all these games?
He's a better than average
4th middle IF. He'll make the team in the Scutaro role if Crosby or Ellis get hurt. Donnie Murphy is starting a lot of games too...
The A's colors are green and gold.
I replied to this a while back
however AN 3.0 has been really jumpy for me today. It's been a challenge sometimes to post. I in fact saw my response, but now it doesn't appear.
Anybody else having problems today?
(My post suggested that Conrad had a chance this year only if Ellis was hurt or traded; my understanding is that he only plays second base, unlike Hannahan, Murphy, Melillo and Petit.)
my head is going to pop
it just gets better and better. Our era is low batting average high this team looks tough. how in the heck are they going to be able to cut linden now?
"Doesn't play well with the other children." Ms. Darias, principal, Broad Ave School
Cut whoever is necessary... another team would want him so he will ask for his release.
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by Charlie Brown on Mar 15, 2008 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions
how many of Linden's hits
were against pitchers on the opposing teams' 25-man club? He didn't start that many games, and many of those hits were against non-roster pitchers, so that may temper the A's interest in him.
Very rough number, but per ESPN's standings, A's have
given up fewest runs in the Majors this Spring. And have scored the third most.
Just another nice factoid for the unquenchably optimistic.
(me, fer instance).
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
no Japan trip for Chavvy
this is hardly a surprise -- Slusser is reporting that the A's have officially decided against it. He'll stay and work out, hopefully play some games, with the minor leaguers. Also, Carlos Gonzalez won't be going. However, he may join the club for the Bay Bridge series to close out spring training.
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