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At What Point Do They Stop Being "Former A's"?

In just about four hours, I'm leaving (on a jet plane) to sunny Arizona, to see the A's play for four straight days, from Friday to Monday, first seeing the club take on the White Sox in Tucson, and then three straight home games, in Phoenix, where they play the Giants, Rangers and Royals. I can't wait. This is the third year in a row my wife and I have been able to see Spring Training, and I hope we'll continue to go for decades.

But while we're very excited to see the A's play this year, and I'm cautiously optimistic about our chances with a healthier roster, not to mention full seasons of Jack Cust, Kurt Suzuki, Travis Buck and Daric Barton, one of our biggest attractions this week will be seeing the recently-departed Nick Swisher.

While we'd seen Nick play hundreds of times at the Coliseum or on TV, we didn't expect to lose him so fast. One of the young stars of the team, we expected Nick to be part of the A's nucleus for years to come. We never really got to say goodbye, and tomorrow, with equal helpings of lung power and my wife being cute (at five months pregnant... with twins... but still cute), we hope to get the chance to do more than just wave and clap mildly in our seats.

As Nick didn't leave via Free Agency or with any ill will from the fans, I have no doubts he'll gain an amazing welcome when he returns to Oakland this season. Similarly, in future years, when we get the chance to take on the Blue Jays (Scutaro) or the Diamondbacks (Byrnes and Haren), we'll be cheering on our "Former A's", insomuch as they don't help the A's lose a game.

Star-divide

But at what point do they stop being "Former Oakland A Nick Swisher" and start being better known as "Chicago White Sock Nick Swisher"? Does it depend on the player or how well they are doing vs. how well they did for us? Does it depend on their antics in a new city with a new team? I'd bet very few of us refer to Johnny Damon and Jason Giambi as former A's anymore, and I've long since passed that threshold with Tim Hudson and Mark Mulder, although both left the A's innocently. (Unlike Zito)

As an A's fan, I've sometimes grown numb with change. I know I'll still be an A's fan even as individual players I like on the roster change. Losing Blanton wouldn't make me give back my season tickets. And, as much as I like the guy, even losing Street could be accepted. For a while, we'd follow their activity with their new clubs in new uniforms, and I'd track these "Former A's", but later, I'd move on - having been placated with the efforts of the updated A's squad.

So, for you ANers, as I go to Tucson tomorrow and cheer on Swisher, is this something I can feel comfortable doing for the entire year? For two years? Or what's an acceptable amount of time I can feel that he's one of ours the White Sox have taken away before letting my fandom for him fade to the shadows? What are your rules for how you approach "Former A's"?

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Any traded player gets 1 year of grace

They are also entitled to a standing ovation before their 1st AB in Oakland. Certain FA's (like Tejada) who were told they would not be getting an offer from the A's are also entitled to this treatment.

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by grover on Mar 13, 2008 3:26 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I still consider Huddy an Athletic, but he was one of my absolute favorite players.

by rebus on Mar 13, 2008 3:28 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Speaking of whom

It occurs to me that Hudson hasn't pitched in Oakland since he got traded. It would be perfectly acceptable for the crowd to give him an ovation if he ever steps on Oakland's pitching mound again.

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by grover on Mar 13, 2008 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree 100 percent with this.

Same with Mulder, but a bit less so.

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by louismg on Mar 13, 2008 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think of anyone as an Athletic if they

achieved the most in their career with the A's compared to any other individual team they played on. So for me, Reggie Jackson and Mark McGwire are A's. Johnny Damon is obviously not an A. I guess he's technically a former A, but that's not important to me.

by WaddellCanseco on Mar 13, 2008 3:39 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

what about players we wish had never been on the team in the first place?

I wasn't thinking about anything. I'll have to try to do that more often. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Mar 13, 2008 3:47 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Kendall

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by grover on Mar 13, 2008 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

KENDALL

Yeah sure he sucked last year. I'M SO TIRED of the hating Kendall is getting. Besides last year, he did hit .295 and .271, getting 163 hits both years. I know he didn't hit the homers, but does it not occur to anybody that he had a HUGE part of the success the pitching staff had in our ALCS year? Look what Zito did after he left......anybody think his blowup has ANYTHING to do with the fact that Kendall was able to hold Zito together?? I mean, yeah I thought Kendall sucked too, but I don't wish he was NEVER on the team.

by SwampyD on Mar 13, 2008 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

thank you

Anyone who prompts the sulk-off from F-ROD (his name is Francisco, thus F, not K. F-ROD, pronounced FRAUD, everyone got it?) gets a lifelong pass from me.

Likewise, anyone who takes a face full of spikes to win the game down in Texas gets much props.

Oh, and don't forget that he body-slammed Slingblade with another catcher on his back. Free pass.

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by whaxed on Mar 13, 2008 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm with you on the Kendall respect

And as far as I'm concerned, every player who I saw play with the A's retains some of my affection, unless he badmouths the team or the town. Where you get traded to, or even where you sign as a free agent, isn't entirely under your control. What you say is.

by Englishmajor on Mar 13, 2008 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

For the backing on Kendall. And yes, who can forget stealing home on whiney K-Rod, and slamming Lackey's idiot face. How are we Kendall hating again? Why? Because he sucked on offense like the rest of the team? Jeeze guys.

by SwampyD on Mar 13, 2008 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

OH

And how about the face first, spike eating tag out at home to win versus Texas?? how soon we forget.

by SwampyD on Mar 13, 2008 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

he had a HUGE part of the success the pitching staff had in our ALCS year? Look what Zito did after he left......anybody think his blowup has ANYTHING to do with the fact that Kendall was able to hold Zito together??

no and no.

by rebus on Mar 13, 2008 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rebus

Please see comments above regarding Kendall's signature plays with the A's.

by SwampyD on Mar 13, 2008 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because he sucked on offense like the rest of the team? Jeeze guys.

No, because he sucked on offense like nearly no one else in baseball last year. Worse than Crosby, and worse than Kotsay because of the number of at bats he was healthy enough for.

I'll always remember signature Kendall moments fondly, but he was an overwhelming negative last season and a disappointment overall.

by rebus on Mar 14, 2008 8:31 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

By the numbers

Last year Kendall sucked so bad the A's had to give the Cubs $4.5 million to get him off their hands.

In 2004, Kendall's last year with the Pirates, he posted a line of 319/399/390 for an OPS+ of 107.

In 2005, Kendall's first year with the A's, he posted a line of 271/345/321 for an OPS+ of 79.

Kendall came to town with the rep as a catcher with above average offense. That fact was supposed to help overcome his ineptitude at stopping the running game. I'll grant you that he was a tough guy and worked well with pitchers. However, Kendall's best offensive performance as an Oakland A produced an OPS+ of 88.

But let's forget the power loss for a moment. Kendall's career OBP as a Pirate was .387.

As an Oakland A it was .337. His best year was a .367 mark in 2006. So at no point was Kendall ever as good an offensive player for Oakland as he was in Pittsburgh, which was an entirely predictable event.

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by grover on Mar 13, 2008 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Got Joe Blanton over the hump, still held Zito's sh*t together. I don't think you're giving him enough credit, cuz F his offense. It was weak. opening day yet?

by SwampyD on Mar 13, 2008 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

did he tie Beane's shoes every morning too?

what will we do without him...

by rebus on Mar 14, 2008 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Grover

As a long-time fan I would think you'd remember Kendall's plays we were mentioning above. Sad to call yourself a true fan and you bash a guy who really made huge contributions.

by SwampyD on Mar 13, 2008 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Saying Kendall was a plus because he made a couple great plays

is like saying Jeter is a good defensive SS because 6-7 times a year he can range way to his right and still throw out the runner.

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by grover on Mar 13, 2008 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not really. Saying Kendall was a plus by mentioning those plays is providing examples of his toughness and what he was willing to do to win and support his team.

by SwampyD on Mar 13, 2008 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, it's your brain remembering a handful of moments

over 2 1/2 very, very subpar seasons.

It's that same ridiculous viewpoint that makes people think Marco Scutaro was good because of a couple walk off homers.

If a very good player had done those things Kendall did, you wouldn't be likely to remember them because he's always doing good things. Kendall's moments were few and far between, so they stand out more. It's the same idea that drives the dumbass "A-Rod chokes in the playoffs" comments even though the overall numbers don't support it.

For what it's worth, I think Kendall has some value as a cheap, veteran catcher (probably a backup) on a winning team.

by thejd44 on Mar 13, 2008 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

but everyone does that...

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by flipgatey3 on Mar 13, 2008 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't even think its that much

It's really like saying Jeter is a great defensive SS because of that play a couple of years ago when he went face first into the stands.

I think the events mentioned are remembered fondly by everyone here. Hell, I have the sulk-off on my desktop so I can watch it when I get depressed at work. I will not forget it and will mention them whenever someone casually mentions Kendall or talks about great plays.

That doesn't, however, mean that nothing should be remembered from the other 400+ games he played here.

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by 5Aces on Mar 14, 2008 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

jeeze

If you wanna go by numbers, you have to include the fact that we didn't have Rhodes or Redman pitching for us for the last two years. If I had $4.5 million burning a hole in my wallet I might consider spending it on not watching those two pitchers blow games or yell at my rookie shortstop. Jason did a lot of the little things that don't show up on the box score, like rotating his glove and keeping a pitch in the zone. How many times do I see an ump miss a call because the catcher drops his glove off the plate?

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by whaxed on Mar 13, 2008 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed 100%

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by flipgatey3 on Mar 13, 2008 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Holy ghost

Stop when you get to the evil laughter.

http://www.athleticsnation.com/2006/5/20/21611/8978

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by grover on Mar 13, 2008 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why stop?

I mean, it was a good post.

Anyway, yes, there was some foresight involved in seeing his numbers may drop. And yes, there is hindsight if you make a play on this or that other player as part of a past salary dump. I guess we'll just have to end it with: I enjoyed watching him play and he made you cringe. Did he sleep with your wife or something? I dunno what the guy did to garner so much ill will such that we're still talking about negative things a year after he's gone.

I think I'm going to dive face first into some spikes now.

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by whaxed on Mar 13, 2008 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't really have a good side

Making jokes at my wife's expense isn't the way to find it.

Don't do it again.

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by grover on Mar 13, 2008 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eh

I'm sure I can find some obviously outlandish wholly inappropriate comment to make you laugh at some point.

I guess I have a soft side for scruffy banjo hitting gamers. Maybe I'll sleep with him.

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by whaxed on Mar 14, 2008 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

GSSDFAHCOTY

(good-spirited self-deprecating funny-as-hell comeback of the year)

I wasn't thinking about anything. I'll have to try to do that more often. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Mar 14, 2008 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't waste your time looking

Just poop in Sal's pants. That always gets me to crack up.

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by grover on Mar 14, 2008 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

too easy

I was already trying to come up with jokes. Put your grouch face back on and make me sweat some more. You just gave it all away!

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by whaxed on Mar 14, 2008 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

When I offer you a fucking olive branch you better take it

or I will use it to beat you senseless. Which based on the crap you've written so far wouldn't take more than a couple hits!

Better?

I hope I've helped.

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by grover on Mar 14, 2008 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ouch

That wasn't very PBS-like.

I feel like Bobby Crosby trying to hold up on an outside breaking ball.

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by whaxed on Mar 14, 2008 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Obviously you've never seen a Sesame Street blooper reel

Big Bird drops F-bombs whenever he blows a line, Snuffleupagus is so coked out of his mind he misses his mark most of the time and any time Elmo isn't in front of the camera he's in his trailer banging a new "production assistant". There is no truth to the rumor that Elmo introduced Spitzer to his lady friend.

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by grover on Mar 14, 2008 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

snuffy is a cokehead?

Given his slow walk and talk I always assumed he was just a big time pothead.

This is why I come to AN-I always learn something new.

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by 5Aces on Mar 14, 2008 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe a .261 OBP last season and a whopping 53 GIDP over almost 3 seasons as an Athletic did it.

maybe.

by rebus on Mar 14, 2008 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

There was a definate drop off in the pitching

performance when Bowen and Suzuki took over catching duties full time. That said, he was terrible at the plate, which is why few are sad he's gone.

by OldhamA on Mar 14, 2008 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do me a favor

Because I'm too lazy to look it up. Sure, Kendall might be a "disappointment" if you look at it from the perspective of expecting him to perform at the same level on the wrong side of 30 as he did on the right side of 30. But my question is, how did he compare with other catchers' offensive output during his tenure with the A's? While he may not have been a force at the plate, there are only about 4 catchers in all of baseball who are (might be a slight exaggeration, but let's face it, the number of quality hitters at C is still in single digits).

by Joey C. on Mar 14, 2008 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

he underperformed catchers, shortstops, utility infielders, and spring training non-roster invitees

Shit, he nearly underperformed pitchers.

I wasn't thinking about anything. I'll have to try to do that more often. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Mar 14, 2008 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Point

But still, you're talking about a league where this guy held down an everyday job:

by Joey C. on Mar 14, 2008 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let's see, Jason Kendal joined

the A's in 2005.

Barry Zito's first full season with the A's was in 2001. Zito''s year by year ERA from 2001: 3.49, 2.75, 3.30, 4.48, 3.86(kendall), 3.83(kendall), 4.53.

Conclusion?

ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524

by rfloh on Mar 14, 2008 6:47 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

let's do FIP and K/BB

(I'd prefer to do xFIP, but it only goes back to 2004)

FIP, then K/BB by season

2001 3.68 2.56
2002 4.11 2.33
2003 4.22 1.66
2004 4.65 2.01
2005 4.52 1.92
2006 4.94 1.53
2007 4.78 1.58

so, obviously, our man crush should be Ramon Hernandez.

by rebus on Mar 14, 2008 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They would be "future "s

from the day we signed them. "That guy leading off? He's a future Devil Ray".

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by louismg on Mar 13, 2008 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think you mean a "ray"

the GM is going to send you an envelope asking for $1 now

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by flipgatey3 on Mar 13, 2008 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They are former A's until they sign with the big 3,

then they become former Yankees, Red Sox, or Angels

by theblackpearl on Mar 13, 2008 4:12 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Big Three = Still former A's

Miggy, Haren, Scutaro, Swisher: Still former A's.
Damon, Giambi, Kotsay, Kendall, Byrnes: Nope. Good riddance.

In order to remain an A, you mustn't trash talk the A's, and I had to like you when you were an A.

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by JediLeroy on Mar 13, 2008 4:15 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Byrnes? Really?

Did he talk trash on the A's? I think he was upset at the fact that he was traded, but i dont recall him having any ill will towards the team and the fans in general, unlike Giambi

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by SoCal As Fan on Mar 13, 2008 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's made a few comments

He said something about how Billy Beane made a mistake by trading him, etc.

Then there's this thread.

And here it starts again.

I don't know, he's just kinda... douchey.

Bless his heart.

I'm rooting for Buck to be a star, and if all it takes the cost of a drink, then it's worth it. -Salb918

by JediLeroy on Mar 13, 2008 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks!!

F*** Byrnes!!!

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by SoCal As Fan on Mar 13, 2008 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

I'll be "cheering" when he butchers another fly ball ... and it helps us for a change.

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by Vacafan on Mar 13, 2008 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

definitely jumping on the "byrnes is a douchebag" bandwaggon

take money

by yo on Mar 13, 2008 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

hell no

i wish byrnes could have had that season he had last year with us...50 for 57 on steals is pretty good if you ask me

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by flipgatey3 on Mar 13, 2008 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i hope he doesn't

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by flipgatey3 on Mar 13, 2008 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

-1

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by flipgatey3 on Mar 13, 2008 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And Billy himself agreed that yeah,

he was mistaken in his assessment in how good Byrnes could become.

And Beane, when he said recently that when the A's move into their new stadium, they will be able to start retaining young stars, is basically saying that yeah, at some point the A's are going to have to retain their best players and build around them.

But, I guess any criticism of Beane, is bad.

ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524

by rfloh on Mar 14, 2008 6:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps I wasn't clear.

I never said that "any criticism of Beane" was bad. He's definitely not perfect.

I was responding to whether Byrnes had ever said anything negative about the A's. And he has. If you criticize the management, you criticize the team. I don't like Byrnes because he's a loudmouth. Would I take his offensive stats over Kotsay's? Sure. But I'd rather have someone else entirely. And I'd definintely not want him in center.

When Byrnes was here, I was a fan (bad routes and all). When he left, it stung a little. I always thought he'd put up decent numbers if given a shot. If he didn't shoot his mouth off like Jim Rome, I might not feel the way I do.

I'm rooting for Buck to be a star, and if all it takes the cost of a drink, then it's worth it. -Salb918

by JediLeroy on Mar 14, 2008 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh yea he does

If you ever listen to Byrnes show on KNBR, he kinda talks shit about the A's specifically Billy Beane, I guess he is kinda bitter after the Colorado trade...

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by Shippee33 on Mar 13, 2008 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Byrnes?

Gimme a break he was great. Wish we still had him, look at the numbers. One of Billy's mistakes.

by SwampyD on Mar 13, 2008 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

Replaced by... Jay Payton. Cool.

by Joey C. on Mar 13, 2008 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Byrnes isn't very good

At all, actually. I haven't missed him for one teeny, tiny millisecond. Even though Jay Payton was awful, too, at least he could play defense without falling down or banging into something (and, most of the time, without catching the ball).

by thejd44 on Mar 13, 2008 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly,

he was such a spaz, wasn't he??!!

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by Vacafan on Mar 13, 2008 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

byrnes had a great season last year

we could have used that

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by flipgatey3 on Mar 13, 2008 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Byrnes isn't very good.

True.

Byrnes is better than Jay Payton. Also true.

ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524

by rfloh on Mar 14, 2008 6:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

see ya monday

where ya sittin for a hello there?

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by oakath on Mar 13, 2008 5:30 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

UB F 2 10 and 11

Whatever that means. :-)

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by louismg on Mar 13, 2008 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't have any criteria.

I just know when it happens.

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by FormerHuntsvilleStar on Mar 13, 2008 6:00 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Swish & Moneyball

I think Swisher will be associated with the A's for years to come simply because of his prominence in "Moneyball" and what he represented in that book (the one guy that stat heads and scouts could agree on). Add to that the fact that most fans always liked him as a person and that he had his best season with the A's when the A's had their best season in 20 years (2006), and you'd have to think that a whole lot of Green n Old fans will keep Swisher in their hearts for a long time.

by Taj Adib on Mar 13, 2008 6:24 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Taj

I've emailed you a couple of times and haven't heard back. Could you email me?

by Tyler Bleszinski on Mar 13, 2008 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure Blez...what's your address? I can't find it on this site...

In case you don't want to give it away here, you can e-mail me at:
TajAdib22@yahoo.com

by Taj Adib on Mar 16, 2008 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

admiration seems to wear off

quicker than disdain. It took a long while before fans stopped booing Giambi, but I don't recall someone ike Miggy getting standing o's other than his first at-bat back. And really that's as far as it should go, more or less regardless of circumstances. Nostalgia works in settings like these, but during a game? Again, go ahead and give him his due for that first at-bat, or before his first pitch, but after that he's just another guy we need to get out or get a hit off of. Then when all is said and done, we'll evaluate him and decide if he's still part of the family.

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Mar 13, 2008 7:05 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Swish

I'll probably become more apathetic when it stops hurting to see him in different colors. I seriously feel physical discomfort when I see him in a White Sox uniform, which is sad for a 24-year-old man.

by Joey C. on Mar 13, 2008 7:09 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree.

But I really dread seeing White Sox fan dopes around town wearing a Swisher #30 jersey. And it'll happen, because he's the best player on their team.

by thejd44 on Mar 13, 2008 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am hoping

to see Swisher at a bar around town someday (I live in Chicago too). Judging by his antics with Cupcakes in NYC, I don't think I can afford any of the places he would frequent. But hey, I can hold out hope that he'll start showing up at some south side dives.

When at White Sox games, I do cheer for ‘former A’ Jermaine Dye. But my enthusiasm is fading, so it will be nice to have Swish in the outfield.

by colin on Mar 14, 2008 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Showing my ignorance

I didn't hear about these "antics" of which you speak. Could I get a link, or maybe an inspired retelling?

by Joey C. on Mar 14, 2008 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

In my view

they stop being former A's after their first at-bat or first inning pitched in the Col. After that, they go into the class of opposing players you like/respect, and get the corresponding treatment.

Unless, of course, you disliked/disrespected them when they were A's; in that case, you're allowed to spew slightly more vitriol than you would toward another player you disliked/disrespected to the same degree who never played for the A's in the first place.

We are working to get these slightly's and to the same degree's specified more precisely, but it takes time.

by el campysino on Mar 13, 2008 7:09 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Louis, congratulations on the upcoming event!

Are you picking out names yet? ANthea and ANthony? Plaza and Field? Hegen and Berger? Beane and Beanne?

by Englishmajor on Mar 13, 2008 8:17 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

No good ones yet

Your suggestions are as good as any I have heard so far! :-)

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by louismg on Mar 13, 2008 11:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am glad that

Louis and Wife...are going to clap for Nick. He did a great job for us and he didn't pick to leave.
As for how long we think of players as former A's...it depends on the impact that they made in our hearts. Guys like Swish and Tejada will always have my affection . A Johnny Damon not so much. He doesn't feel like an ex-A.
Some players you remember for a special moment like Kendall with K-Rod...but the affection just isn't there...and some guys like Hatte ...you just love always for the way they played in a general way.
I tend to care about players for lots of years...and I always clap for the guys even if it's Zito wearing orange.

by IM4Oakgal on Mar 13, 2008 8:30 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I took it personally...

...when Giambi left. It felt like I just got dumped or something. Especially seeing him crying and talking about "what a dream it was" to be in pinstripes. I thought the A's run in the playoffs was over, and that the Yankees would win every world series thereafter.

That was before I knew who/what Billy Beane was. Now I understand that fast turnover is part of the A's MO.

Since then I don't mind when players leave, be it trade or free agency. I'm a fan of the "laundry" I guess...

Juan Pierre: 44 Million Dollars, Juan Pierre's 3.2 WARP3: Priceless

by Travis Buck Nuckin on Mar 13, 2008 9:25 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Hmm

There's not really a timeframe for me, just more of how much I liked them when they were on the A's and the circumstances of their departure. Swisher will be an A for life in my mind, he was such an Oakland guy and that trade hurt, even if we had to do it. Same with Miggy, he was a lil pimp. I liked Zito a lot the whole time he was on the A's and hold some good memories of the Big Three, but hes definitely didn't get cheers from me when I saw him sucking it up with the Giants for countless millions, in large part due to my inability to cheer for anyone while laughing so hard at that horrible horrible contract.

take money

by yo on Mar 13, 2008 10:23 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

what's with all the zito hating?

because he signed with the giants? Get over it.

"It's like déjà vu all over again." -yogi berra

by Cheezombie on Mar 13, 2008 10:49 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

because he sucks

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by flipgatey3 on Mar 13, 2008 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's a lame excuse

"It's like déjà vu all over again." -yogi berra

by Cheezombie on Mar 13, 2008 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

saying zito didn't leave innocently

is like saying Tejada didn't leave innocently.

"It's like déjà vu all over again." -yogi berra

by Cheezombie on Mar 13, 2008 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sort of...

When Zito picked Boras it was over. Tejada got told he was out of town before the season started. But I can see how Zito could be seen as unaffordable and in the same boat too.

What I had intended to mean was that Hudson/Mulder were shipped out and Zito as a free agent, left on his own accord.

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by louismg on Mar 13, 2008 11:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

so it's all about boras?

whatever, i just think of the good times he had in Oakland. I recall in 2005 after we had caught up to the angels, we were playing the white sox, the best team in baseball. We owned the white sox that year, being the firs team to win a series against them, then being the firs team to sweep them, and we did it in chicago. but anyways, i just remember that game in oakland, zito was dealing, and the sellout croud was chanting ZI-TO ZI-TO. It was awesome. Those are the things i think of when i think of zito, not boras and not the giants.

"It's like déjà vu all over again." -yogi berra

by Cheezombie on Mar 14, 2008 12:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

well

I never said I hated Zito, I dig the weirdo. I certainly don't blame him for signing with the Giants, I doubt any other team was going to be stupid enough to throw 125 million dollars to a soft throwing lefty on the decline, so congrats to him for gettin that money. I'm just not about to cheer for such a poor pitcher after he leaves the A's for our cross bay rival. Flipgatey put it best in saying its because he sucks, which isn't a lame excuse, its probably the best reason not to root for a guy. Who cheers for extremely overpaid losers?

take money

by yo on Mar 14, 2008 2:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You do realize that Zito's ERA+ last year

in his career worst year, was 98, right? That's 2% below average.

He doesn't "suck." He isn't a "poor pitcher." Sour grapes aside, the A's would have won more games with even 2007 Zito pitching for them last year than the alternatives. And perish the thought that he could actually, you know, improve/rebound.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Mar 14, 2008 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I miss 2006

Zito (and Frank Thomas) taking out Santana in Game 1 of the ALDS was a special thing to watch, especially because it was during my anthropology class.

by Joey C. on Mar 14, 2008 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

big mac

i would root for him to this day. still my all-time favorite

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by flipgatey3 on Mar 13, 2008 10:52 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Mine too flipgatey.

It's popular now to hate on Mac...but when he was with the team he was mega exciting and produced a lot of magic.

by IM4Oakgal on Mar 13, 2008 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oaktown 4Ever

I'm easy. If they do well enough on (and for) the A's to win my respect and affection, then I'll keep on rooting for them as individual players after that, no matter what team they are on. Mulder, Hudson, Swisher, Byrnes, whoever, I have fond memories of them and wish them well.

But, like I say, I'm easy. Keeps my blood pressure down.

by SF4As on Mar 13, 2008 11:40 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Kendall

Gave us all he had and at least he never went down with a serious injury and took his sweet as time to get back and help the team like Harden, Crosby, Chavez, Milton Bradley, E. Loaiza, Mark Kotsay, Duke, and etc....

I always feel like apart of him will always be as an athletic during his successful career, and he will forever be a member of the 2006 ALCS Oakland A's team.

And much props for fighting Fat Boy Lackey during the Bean war!!!

The Angels make me sick to my fucking stomach and I'm sure in 2006 Kendall felt the same way about those sorry ass fags!!!!

He's and "A" forever that reason especially!!!!

Memo to Beane: Bring back Canseco!!!!!

by MMunoz33 on Mar 13, 2008 11:47 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

My favorite Kendall moment

One that often gets overlooked, and is certainly also a Harden moment, but I think Kendall deserves quite a bit of credit for his role in it.

July 14, 2005, the first game after the All Star Break. Rich Harden's on the mound against the Texas Rangers, and totally dealing, to the effect of a perfect game after six innings. Into the seventh, Harden sets down the first two. Then he goes to 2-0 on Teixeira. Then he puts his hand to his mouth without stepping off the mound: 3-0. Harden looks like he's coming slightly unglued, a little bit rattled. Kendall jogs out to the mound and they talk: We're gonna get this guy. Next pitch, a called strike, Teixeira taking all the way. He fouls one off, now 3-2. The payoff is grounded weakly to second: Perfect game intact (for the time being).

"God doesn't pay attention to your cute little hypotheticals." -- Jeff from LL

by oblique on Mar 14, 2008 6:58 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Service Time

I usually make the decision to refer to them as ex-A's on a case by case basis. Generally, if a player has more service time outside of oakland than he did while with the A's, i don't refer to him as an ex-a's player. Then again, there are cases in which this rule of thumb does not apply. such as players like Giambi. I hated him as soon as he signed with the Yankees. Although, in the case of Nick Swisher, i will always be a fan of his. Regardless of how long he is away from the Oakland organization.

"Put some ice on it. After that, there's nothing a few beers won't take care of. " -Pink

by OrlandoAsFan on Mar 14, 2008 7:26 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree with this

To me it is mostly about if their years here were their defining years (which is usually true if their service time in Oakland is greater than any other team). Time will tell if this is true for Swisher, but I think it is certainly true for players like Zito, Miggy, Hudson, Mulder and even McGwire, but not true for players like Damon and Giambi.

by dbuzi123 on Mar 14, 2008 7:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

defining years

I don't think Swisher's time in Oakland will necessarily be his defining years due to a multitude of other influences. He is now playing in a more hitter-friendly park. This will most likely help his personal stats. In addition, he didn't get much media coverage outside of the local market because he didn't play on one of the large-market teams. I wouldn't necessarily consider the White Sox a market as large as Boston or New York, but it is a larger market than Oakland. Therefore, he will be more visible to the rest of the world. I've thought for a while now that ESPN has tiers to their coverage. Something similar to an economic class. Like upper class, upper middle class, middle class and so on. Obviously, the the further down the tier you go, the less coverage the team will receive. See example below.

ESPN's time distribution based on 30 minutes time dedicated to baseball.
(This is assuming that nothing significant like a bench-clearing brawl occurs)

Boston- 5 minutes coverage
NYY - 5 minutes
Atlanta- 3 mintues
NYM- 4 minutes
LAD- 3 minutes
LAA- 3 minutes
SF- 2 minutes
The remaining 5 minutes get assigned to the remaining teams. If your team doesn't get mentioned in that 5 minutes, you are forced to wait half an hour for the ticker on the screen to get through the NBA and NCAA basketball games to see the MLB scores.

I realize i went completely off subject here, and for that i apologize. Carry on.

"Put some ice on it. After that, there's nothing a few beers won't take care of. " -Pink

by OrlandoAsFan on Mar 14, 2008 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think you mean Barry Bonds, not SF.

by rebus on Mar 14, 2008 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

Their coverage will most likely drop-off now that Bonds is gone. But unfortunately, they will still probably get more coverage than the A's. It's very sad.

"Put some ice on it. After that, there's nothing a few beers won't take care of. " -Pink

by OrlandoAsFan on Mar 14, 2008 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The worst part about the coverage

is that they will constantly repeat things about Boston/NYY and still not cover the A's, even on baseball tonight (which I think by definition should have to do at least a 2-3 min recap on every game).

I don't know if there are many soccer fans here, but on FSC (Fox soccer channel) they do a really good premiership review show for 1 hour. It is almost all highlights (really condensed games, they spend 5-7 straight minutes on each of the big games, 2-4min on the smaller games), with barely any boneheaded commentary. It would be a marvel if there was something similar for baseball.

by dbuzi123 on Mar 14, 2008 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

True.

It's too bad that espn doesn't have any real competition. I know there is fox sports, but that's more localized per region. They need a national competitor. I for one would drop espn in a second if someone was to do what you mention above.

"Put some ice on it. After that, there's nothing a few beers won't take care of. " -Pink

by OrlandoAsFan on Mar 14, 2008 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

so long as Beane is running things ...

... shouldn't we consider everyone in the organization to be "Not Yet Former A's"?

I wasn't thinking about anything. I'll have to try to do that more often. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Mar 14, 2008 11:47 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Tell Swish I said hello when you elbow your way over to him

It will be at least this entire season that I will think of him as an A in the wrong uniform. Some guys will always be A's (not even former) to me no matter how many other teams they're on. It's the connection I feel to them while being at the ballpark. I had more fun sitting in the right field bleachers when Canseco was there. That was when I first became an A's fan and I'll always remember how I felt about him and all the other A's that moved to other teams (McGwire, Bordick, Eck, etc). Of course it's easier to think of them as A's now that they are no longer playing. But even when they were with other teams, it just didn't look right. Ever. I'm just so frigging nostalgic.

by kapers on Mar 14, 2008 12:20 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

A Truly Rich History

I suppose every team can look back at particular periods of glory and whim away about the "good ole days", but I think anyone would agree that the A's have been more than blessed to have many bountiful years in the 40 years since they've been in Oakland. We've had a slew of great players, from the uprise dynasty of the early 70's to the razzle dazzle play in the early 80's - the bash and smash era of Canseco and Mac and then our most recent bronze period of 2001-2006. I have no doubt that this team will soon be in another golden period and sure we'll keep on shipping All-Stars and HOF's to other teams. They will all always be former A's in my mind.

The greenmachine

by greenmachine on Mar 14, 2008 1:01 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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