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Around SBN: Are The Orioles Bad Or Unlucky With Their Young Pitching?

DLD 2/25/08 Two Links Say it All

Courtesy of BBTF: A's upgrade training equipment:
Among the gadgets the A's purchased at the behest of new head trainer Steve Sayles are a shockwave machine, a cold laser machine and a SABA explosive pulley system, which, for instance, third baseman Eric Chavez uses for rehab after back and shoulder surgeries.
Dear God. And: Kendall to bat ninth? Due to his OBP skillz supposedly. haha.

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Glad about the upgrades

But the words 'Eric Chavez' and 'explosive pulley system' in the same sentence leave me a little apprehensive.

by OkayJay81 on Feb 25, 2008 12:42 PM PST reply actions  

coughpeterprinciplecough
Sayles, who moved up to head trainer when Davis' new position was created, was instrumental in getting the new machines (he did all the research) and adding Nishio to the staff. Sayles and Davis made the recommendations to Forst, who helped present the requests to GM Billy Beane and A's President Mike Crowley. They got all they wanted.

Someone is wrong on the Internet. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Feb 25, 2008 12:47 PM PST reply actions  

Cla-MAY-to, Cla-MAH-to

Someone is wrong on the Internet. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Feb 25, 2008 12:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Cupcakes killed a man in Swansea ...

... just to watch him die.

(I know what you're all thinking. No, the suspicious name of the establishment does not mean I had anything to do with this. We I will not be distracted.)

Someone is wrong on the Internet. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Feb 25, 2008 12:53 PM PST reply actions  

oh shut your fairy cake hole

I don't get it

He is thought to have agreed to take part at around 2am to help clear up leftover cakes.

They couldn't just throw the extra cakes away?

"Don't be an ass!" --Bill King

by batgirl on Feb 25, 2008 1:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Now as I was young and easy under the apple boughs

About the lilting house and happy as the grass was green,
The night above the dingle starry,
Time let me hail and HUGCK! KHA! -- GET THIS FOCKING CAKE OUTA ME THROAT -- UGKH!! (Dies)

"wither fair monkeyball?" ~fsu

by LAXile on Feb 25, 2008 2:54 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

The screwball exists!

I think this is the first time that I've seen 1) official confirmation of Braden's screwball, and b) official confirmation that it's been shut down as an injury risk.

Concerned about injury, the A's don't want him using the screwball, but Young likes the action that Braden is getting on the changeup.

by sec119 on Feb 25, 2008 1:01 PM PST reply actions  

Damn it.

dammit

Braden spent the offseason working on his changeup, and he has changed his grip, adding some of the action that he used for his once-upon-a-time screwball. Concerned about injury, the A's don't want him using the screwball, but Young likes the action that Braden is getting on the changeup.

In the THT season preview, I wrote:

Braden sported an ugly ERA last year, but his fielding-independent numbers were pretty decent. The Oakland defense, a pretty good unit, allowed a .343 Batting Average on Balls in Play behind him. So was his poor debut a matter of luck? Perhaps, but it is worth mentioning that Braden was seen as a trick pitcher in the minors. Despite an unimpressive repertoire, Braden struck out loads of batters in the minors with an outstanding screwball. But when he arrived in the majors, he rarely, if ever, threw it.

The rumor was that management put the kibosh on the screwgie due to concerns about his health. If he is allowed to throw the screwball, he may yet turn out to be a useful pitcher.

stat-addled alien overlord

by salb918 on Feb 25, 2008 1:04 PM PST reply actions  

f---

stat-addled alien overlord

by salb918 on Feb 25, 2008 1:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Gee

it would be a travesty to jeopardize his very very promising screwball-free career...

The A's colors are green and gold.

by mikeA on Feb 25, 2008 1:20 PM PST up reply actions  

The irony being,

his screwball-free career ain't that promising.

by Philip Christy on Feb 25, 2008 1:26 PM PST up reply actions  

just get him

to put his hat on straight and stop looking like the kids who shop at demo and I'll be happy.

death to myspace!

by malikot on Feb 25, 2008 1:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Not sure what the reaction here is about

Braden appears to be a good, not great, candidate as a left-handed reliever-- probably the #2 lefty in someone's pen, with a ceiling as a setup guy. He still has some chance at the rotation. He struck out 17 batters in a AAA game without the screwball.

If throwing it really is mechanically awkward, it would seem advisable to have him concentrate on the changeup and controlling his fastball.

It would be more fun to see him throw the screwball, but as fun as seeing, say, Rich Harden break out a knuckleball would be, I'm not actually hoping he does it from the standpoint of the team winning ballgames...

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Feb 25, 2008 1:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Curt Young and the screwball

It sounds like Young wants Braden to throw the kind of changeup that he used to throw. Here's the story of how Young developed his own change, as I remember it from over 20 years ago:

In Spring Training of 1984, Dave Kingman saw Curt Young warming up and suggested that his chageup would be more effective if he turned it over a little bit like a screwball. Kingman, who had pitched in high school, showed Young how to do it. Young tried it, his change became his best pitch, and he pretty quickly became one of the better young lefties in the AL.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Feb 25, 2008 2:12 PM PST up reply actions  

heh.

At least you have two box quotes...?

by sec119 on Feb 25, 2008 3:28 PM PST up reply actions  

BOOOO!

"screwgie"?

Google gives a more-than-tenfold advantage to "scroogie."

Someone is wrong on the Internet. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Feb 25, 2008 3:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, but how many of those

are Jacob Marley's nickname for his partner?

formerly known as mdl

by iglew on Feb 25, 2008 4:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Idea Man. Creator. lnnovator. Cerebrator.
Manager Ned Yost has said for a week that he has a brain-full of ideas when it comes to his batting order, but it is way too early to commit to any one of them.

But one of the most interesting of possible orders would have Ryan Braun batting second, a pitcher batting eighth and catcher Jason Kendall batting ninth. This idea isn’t set yet, and it may not ever be used. It is just one of a flurry of ideas whizzing around inside the skipper’s head.

Someone is wrong on the Internet. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Feb 25, 2008 1:45 PM PST reply actions  

congratulations kid, you've outdone yourself, you've reinvented the wheel

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Feb 25, 2008 5:12 PM PST up reply actions  

If Robb Nen doesn't mind

can we have these guys play for Street's entrance in Tokyo?

by Englishmajor on Feb 25, 2008 1:57 PM PST reply actions  

that rocked!

I say we use this for his entrance all season.

death to myspace!

by malikot on Feb 25, 2008 2:32 PM PST up reply actions  

If this can be Street's entrance music

while in Oakland.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IliwQImJrYE

"Glitter is the herpes of craft supplies."

by Jennifer on Feb 25, 2008 3:55 PM PST up reply actions  

is your comment count frozen?

Someone is wrong on the Internet. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Feb 25, 2008 4:18 PM PST up reply actions  

I forgot.

I think I should get my comment count to 19,999 then ride off into the sunset.

"Glitter is the herpes of craft supplies."

by Jennifer on Feb 25, 2008 5:16 PM PST up reply actions  

AN considered "progressive"

link

Let's have our Piazza and eat the Cust too - SPWC

by closetasfan on Feb 25, 2008 2:10 PM PST reply actions  

and Howe!

Someone is wrong on the Internet. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Feb 25, 2008 2:16 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure he doesn't mean "politically"

since Dan Fox's blog is on that list, and he's a self-described conservative.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Feb 25, 2008 2:59 PM PST up reply actions  

He lists team-specific blogs

for 20 out of the 30 MLB teams, but two of the missing teams are the Dodgers (2nd in attendance in MLB in 2007) and the Angels (5th).

I'm particularly frustrated at the lack of a quality Angels site. I'd enjoy seeing the sort of commentary about our Southern California rivals that USSM and LL provide about the M's.

by Soaker on Feb 25, 2008 3:39 PM PST up reply actions  

That would require the Angels

actually having intelligent, statistically conversant fans.

I'm pretty sure anyone of that nature who somehow ended up rooting for Anaheim would have their brain explode in short order from all the cognitive dissonance.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Feb 25, 2008 3:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Good Angels blogs

Not a contradiction in terms, though these are traditional blogs (i.e. one person's thoughts) rather than the AN/LL type:
Chronicles of the Lads
Anaheim Angels all the way
6-4-2 (Angels and Dodgers)

The first two are both good sources for advanced defensive stats.

For the Dodgers, Dodger Thoughts over at the Toaster is a good and very active site.

"Tomorrow it may rain." - Leo Durocher

by andeux on Feb 25, 2008 3:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Though I will say that the

seemingly mild-mannered ticket philanthropist skwid has a hearty pre-game "OH NO!"

The A's colors are green and gold.

by mikeA on Feb 25, 2008 2:37 PM PST up reply actions  

"Crowd composition affects the size and the direction of the bias"

So if the crowd is wealthier and less unruly...

There is an A in Whimsy.

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Feb 25, 2008 3:20 PM PST up reply actions  

x axis and Y axis
the crowd's proximity to the field is related to the quality of refereeing

So, the worse the refereeing, the closer the crowd gets?

Someone is wrong on the Internet. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Feb 25, 2008 3:30 PM PST up reply actions  

That's exactly how I read it...

"There's no real reason why a flight in which one flies naked should be more expensive than any other."

by Poppy on Feb 25, 2008 3:33 PM PST up reply actions  

*snerk*
It really does suck when you're the only person on the planet that hates cookies.

Posted by: soullite | February 25, 2008 5:15 PM

That's not mikeA, is it?

Anyone worth hurting is worth hurting well.

by Poppy on Feb 25, 2008 3:41 PM PST up reply actions  

mikeA's personal-ad closer: must love clowns

(NB: I left a comment in there.)

Someone is wrong on the Internet. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Feb 25, 2008 3:50 PM PST up reply actions  

I try not to

poison my tounge with the foul taste of sugar (true).

The A's colors are green and gold.

by mikeA on Feb 25, 2008 3:53 PM PST up reply actions  

"tounge"?

Rhymes with "lounge"?

"He's a misfit. He gets along with everyone." - Reggie Jackson, describing Joe Rudi

by McFood on Feb 25, 2008 4:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Mmmmmmm

I'd do anything for a cookie and my friends exploite that often

by ChickenStanley on Feb 25, 2008 8:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Speaking of crowd bias

Anyone else watch last night's Stanford-Cal game? The Stanford student section had a particularly inspired heckling performance last night...

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Feb 25, 2008 3:43 PM PST up reply actions  

"You wear make-up"

I'm afraid my junior high heckling squad rejected that one for excessive lameness.

The A's colors are green and gold.

by mikeA on Feb 25, 2008 3:51 PM PST up reply actions  

You're right...

... it is lame when someone wears make-up on the basketball court.

(sorry, couldn't resist)

by RickeySteals on Feb 25, 2008 4:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Here's a "New AN" question

Where are the links to the other SB Nation sites? I enjoy checking up on other teams' fans from time to time (although I refuse to visit HH anymore). Now I can't even find them. Help, anyone?

by Philip Christy on Feb 25, 2008 2:46 PM PST reply actions  

IIRC

They are not there because those sites have not yet made the leap to the world of 3.0.

The links will return when they join us.

"Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it?"-Steve McCatty

by 5Aces on Feb 25, 2008 3:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Yikes

The names of those machines scare me.

shockwave machine, a cold laser machine and a SABA explosive pulley system

They each sound like they could hurt someone bad.

by lurkerD on Feb 25, 2008 3:01 PM PST reply actions  

If they fell into the wrong hands

[takes out hit on Larry Davis' hands]

There is an A in Whimsy.

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Feb 25, 2008 3:21 PM PST up reply actions  

sig line!

Anyone worth hurting is worth hurting well.

by Poppy on Feb 25, 2008 3:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Aww...they're not so bad.

Here's Travis Buck using the cold laser machine on his gimpy wrist. Unfortunaley, premature aging is a side effect.

Here's a shock wave machine. It should prove useful for the unicorn on the team.

And ummm ... the SABA explosive pulley system will be instrumental in preventing injuries to players with new wives when they kick their husbands for swinging at sliders low and away.

Orange Pineapple

by Ice Cream on Feb 25, 2008 4:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Strike "with" in that last sentence.

BTW--I really like the new editing feature on fanposts on AN 3.0...

Orange Pineapple

by Ice Cream on Feb 25, 2008 4:42 PM PST up reply actions  

onyx chimpy twist?

Someone is wrong on the Internet. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Feb 25, 2008 6:43 PM PST up reply actions  

when you're dead, you stay dead, just ask bobby crosby

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Feb 25, 2008 5:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Tim Goodman on the Oscars

A blah column for a blah telecast.

Tim, baby -- no elder-hot props for our favorite, Helen Mirren? Best dress of the evening, best-looking female of the evening.

Someone is wrong on the Internet. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Feb 25, 2008 5:11 PM PST reply actions  

I dunno

I think Diablo Cody was my favorite. Got the name, got the tattoo. I'm good

by ChickenStanley on Feb 25, 2008 8:40 PM PST up reply actions  

I watched part of the show with my two daughters.

I was surprised at how few nominated movies and performances were familiar to me. I need to get to the movies more often.

by IM4Oakgal on Feb 25, 2008 8:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Question

What does DLD stand for? Thanks.

I'm paying taxes no matter who the president is, just please god not hillary. --BGL

by txranger72 on Feb 25, 2008 5:44 PM PST reply actions  

Daily Link Dump

"Glitter is the herpes of craft supplies."

by Jennifer on Feb 25, 2008 5:56 PM PST up reply actions  

daily link dump.

"The hard... is what makes it great."

by Jjjsixsix on Feb 25, 2008 5:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Tony Kornheiser

hates us and everything we stand for.

It is worth noting that Tony Kornheiser presumably cannot name 2 members of the Oakland Athletics, and probably no more than 10 members of the AL West as a whole.

Also, he doesn't know what OPS is.

Bloggers should be embarassed that they're not professional enough to dress up like Miss Cleo and debate college basketball rankings.

Formerly known as hward86.

by BWH on Feb 25, 2008 7:18 PM PST reply actions  

Calling Clockwerks and Lovitt!

Why does it say on my recent activity that I recommended Dork's Sarcasm Fanshot? If someone flags a comment it should not show as if they recommended it.

by IM4Oakgal on Feb 25, 2008 9:06 PM PST reply actions  

It's a trick!

Now Dork is feeling falsely secure.

The A's colors are green and gold.

by mikeA on Feb 25, 2008 9:46 PM PST up reply actions  

that's no good

we'll get working to fix that right away

I'm one of the guys that built the new SB Nation

by Trei Brundrett on Feb 25, 2008 9:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Good thing it got fixed.

I was going to hire mikeA to sue you for humiliating me.

by IM4Oakgal on Feb 26, 2008 2:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Ok, fixed

Sorry about that!

I'm one of the guys that built the new SB Nation

by lovitt on Feb 25, 2008 10:21 PM PST up reply actions  

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