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A Call For More Runs - Are You A More Run?

An extra run per game is a lot; it’s also just 162 runs for the entire season. Wouldn’t it be great if you could look under the mattress, or behind the sofa, and find just 162 more runs than you thought you had?

There is a sure-fire, tried and true way to do this: Replace the hitters you have with better ones. Exit Denorfia, enter Beltran; exit Ellis, enter Utley; problem solved. The question today is: Given the players you have, how do you find some more runs with the lineup available to you?

“The Right Lineup” One way is to craft your lineup carefully so as to maximize the complementary skills each player brings to the table. Sadly, research (sources: obvious.com and exaggeratetomakeapoint.org) has shown that the difference between putting a given group of hitters in the best possible arrangement 1-9, and pulling the lineup from a hat is 5.7 runs, and about 3 days of “wear and tear” on the hat, per millennium. This is likely because Neifi Perez will kill a rally no matter where he hits and A-Rod won’t. So as you carefully craft your lineup to allow Dave Roberts to sprint first-to-third on David Eckstein’s bat-control hit-and-run roller into right field, Roberts actually got out while the other team put up a 5-spot because all their hitters tend to get on base, get hits, and homer a lot.

“Take The Extra Base” This one intrigues me a lot. If your faster guys, like Denorfia, Buck, Ellis and Crosby, and even your average speed guys, like Barton and Suzuki, go first to third and second to home, with unusual aggressiveness (frequency) and facility (success rate), how many runs can you find by turning potential “first and second, one out” RISP opportunities into “first and third, one out” sacrifice fly opportunities and by turning “runner at third, one out” sacrifice fly opportunities into “run scored” outcomes? Even the “take a walk, stand around, research-says-it’s-better-to-meander-into-a smoke-filled-inferno-to-rescue-a drunk-pedophile-than-to-run-into-an-out” A’s have been quite vocal each of the last two spring trainings about focusing strongly on this skill – although April has seemed to knock some of the enthusiasm out of the Oakland brass. But how many runs can even the team that is best at it out of all 30 teams find over the average “take the extra base” team?

“What Else Is There?” Given the best 9 you have, in some batting order designed to make some sense (or at least to fail to make no sense), what other places might you search for, and find, another 20-30 – or 100 if you don’t mind – runs to help foil Pythagoras? Crafty platoons? Witchcraft? Kraft cheese slices in the post-game spread? I'm searching for the right angle here - get it, Pythagoras, right angle? Fine I'll shut up and hear what you have to say.

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I think we need more Rons at this site

...um, yeah. This post title is kind of unfortunate, IMO.

Hey, I've been beating the platoon drum all offseason.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Feb 22, 2008 11:23 AM PST   0 recs

platoons

Platoons strike me as having way more potential impact than something like batting order. I'm sure that someone out there has written up something general about the kind of benefits you could get by platooning *everyone* (yeah, it doesn't really work to carry 18 position players on a 25 man roster, but some switch hitters could help with that, as long as they weren't “switch hitters” like Kielty). I like that fanpost you wrote PT, but I'm thinking about something more general, not just focused on the 2008 A's.

Actually I'm pretty sure that I've already read this article somewhere, but I can't really think of it. Little help?

by colin on Feb 22, 2008 3:26 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I think it's a call for more ...

... Alyssa Milano lyrics, but at the risk of continued grievous over-exposure (find it yourself -- GIS is your friend).

I've always wondered whether batting order gets lost in the other factors that determine run production. Interesting to see competing simulations of "best" vs. "random" vs. "worst" ordering of the preferred nine. Somebody around here must've done it.

The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on Feb 22, 2008 11:35 AM PST   0 recs

Analysis

A very hopeful read for us A's fans. Lets glance back at what we had to deal with last year:
1) Kendall's woeful hitting
2) Crosby never being healthy long
3) Chavvy's tendinitis
4) Kotsay's constant back issues
5) Piazza's injuries (although he did produce well early on)
What we lose:
1) Stewarts consistent bat (although he still hasn't signed with anyone yet)
2) Swisher's developing sweetness

With those things in mind and looking at who is, at the moment, likel to fill in our gaps I think our lineup could be much improved, although I have some slight reservations about the Brown and Denorfia production numbers. I see us getting some great ABs from Ellis for good contact hitting.

1. Denorfia
2. Barton
3. Buck
4. Cust
5. Ellis
6. Chavez
7. Suzuki (or #1)
8. Crosby
9. Brown

That looks like a pretty long sweet spot in the middle where I could see that group of 2-7 batting around a .280 avg for the group.

It's just more exciting with Billy Beane running the team.

by ru155 on Feb 22, 2008 12:08 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

While it's a fun tool, isn't it problematic?

From what I remember from last offseason, the tool finds the optimal spot for each player in the lineup assuming the other lineup positions resemble historical output from those positions.

For example, given the way lineups are currently constructed (with an average or worse hitter batting second) it makes sense to have a better hitter in the 4th slot than the third slot. But once you put your best hitter in the second slot, the third slot becomes more important.

Am I remembering incorrectly?

by Danny on Feb 22, 2008 12:19 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, something like that.

It's not perfect, and it doesn't account for platoon splits and playing time. Fun tool, though.

stat-addled alien overlord

by salb918 on Feb 22, 2008 12:40 PM PST to parent up   1 recs

So, best-to-worst is 45 runs/season?

Which is what -- 6% of the total? Distributed in the right way, that could be signficant to the Ws-n-Ls. And Lawd knows we all try to "play the game the right way" (if I hear that buzz phrase again I promise to retch on the speaker's shoes).

Would it be fair to say the best-to-random might be about half of that, or 23 runs=3%? And best-to-almost best is a lot less? That's the gap I don't think merits the amount of mental anguish we devote to it.

The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on Feb 22, 2008 12:31 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Yep ...
That's the gap I don't think merits the amount of mental anguish we devote to it.

"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback

by devo on Feb 22, 2008 12:35 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

45 runs/season ~ 4.5 wins

stat-addled alien overlord

by salb918 on Feb 22, 2008 12:40 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: your last point

That's why I allow myself one comment per year that includes a lineup.

stat-addled alien overlord

by salb918 on Feb 22, 2008 12:41 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I'm honored to have witnessed it.

The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on Feb 22, 2008 1:01 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

"Your three best hitters should bat somewhere in the 1, 2 and 4 slots. Your fourth and fifth best hitters should occupy the 3 and 5 slots. 1 and 2 guys should walk more often."

The A's colors are green and gold.

by mikeA on Feb 22, 2008 12:05 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Right.

With the caveat that you don't want to stack lefties or righties because it gives the opposing manager a tactical advantage.

Imagining the starting nine listed above and eyeballing the ZiPs projections, you'd want something like this:

Buck
Barton
Chavez
Cust
Denorfia
Ellis
Suzuki
Brown
Crosby

Of course, that leaves four lefties at the top of the lineup, which is a tactical disadvantage. In Oakland's case, it might not make a difference, since avoiding the four lefties in a row leaves them giving more PAs to bad righties.

stat-addled alien overlord

by salb918 on Feb 22, 2008 12:20 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Also, that satisfies my

once yearly lineup construction comment. It's not worth worrying about any more than that.

stat-addled alien overlord

by salb918 on Feb 22, 2008 12:21 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I wonder if Ellis will change his approach

if he's back in the two-hole.

He seemed to be swinging for the fences more last year where he was mostly a 5-6 guy. Even if the effect of moving him is only a placebo (as I, being someone who thinks lineup order is a chimera, believe), it could improve his numbers to something closer to 2005.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Feb 22, 2008 12:23 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I don't think he's really changed his

approach, and it's fine with me if he swings for the fences. He's not going to be a .300 hitter again.

The A's colors are green and gold.

by mikeA on Feb 22, 2008 12:26 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

In 2005, his GB/FB ratio was 1.29

In 2007, it was 0.63.

His line drive numbers were basically identical.

If that's not stark evidence of an altered approach, I have no idea what would qualify.

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by PaulThomas on Feb 22, 2008 12:28 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I am convinced

The A's colors are green and gold.

by mikeA on Feb 22, 2008 12:36 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I think you're misremembering

Ellis only batted second in 17 games in 2005, "hitting" .208/.296/.292.

For his career, he's "hit" .243/.316/.375 in 301 AB in the 2 hole.

In 2005, Ellis did the most damage batting leadoff (.386/.453/.632), but he walked just as much there as he did at other positions. He had a .413 BABIP with a ton of power. More than half of his PA in 2005 came batting 6th or lower.

by Danny on Feb 22, 2008 12:45 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Huh.

Well, in my defense, I saw like three games that season.

In any event, I'm just thinking that if his mindset is "get on base" rather than "hit for power," he might have a better offensive season.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Feb 22, 2008 12:58 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Thank you for not including Mike Sweeney

The A's colors are green and gold.

by mikeA on Feb 22, 2008 12:21 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

------->

The A's colors are green and gold.

by mikeA on Feb 22, 2008 12:25 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

How to increase offense?

1) Buck, CF
2) Barton, 1B
3) Cust, LF
4) Chavez, 3B
5) Johnson, RF
6) Sweeney, DH
7) Ellis, SS
8) Hannahan, 2B
9) Bowen, C

by Danny on Feb 22, 2008 12:22 PM PST   0 recs

When did Johnson become a RF ?

I think that either M. Sweeney or Johnson will be on the team, not both. Also I think that with you lineup that would put Brown in RF. I still think that Ryan Sweeney will play one of the corners.

"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"

by Eastbayjim on Feb 22, 2008 12:34 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

"how to increase offense"

The A's colors are green and gold.

by mikeA on Feb 22, 2008 12:36 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I'm imagining a Buck, Cust, DJ outfield

I'm pretty sure it would induce a work stoppage on the part of the team's pitching staff.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Feb 22, 2008 1:01 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I wonder if DJ can pitch?

He could help the pitching staff on some days and play RF on others. He would be our MVP.

"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"

by Eastbayjim on Feb 22, 2008 1:09 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Would it be worse than

Grieve-Long-Jeremy G.?

by Danny on Feb 22, 2008 1:11 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I'd pay $1.99

to see a DJ-Grieve foot race.

The A's colors are green and gold.

by mikeA on Feb 22, 2008 1:19 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

can I have $10?

I'm five times slower.

Actually, I really hope that's not true. But it gives me an idea for a great promotion night. Race DJ across the outfield in during the 7th inning stretch to win fun prizes!

by colin on Feb 22, 2008 1:28 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

For which team?

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Feb 22, 2008 5:14 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I'll raise that.

1. Buck, CF
2. Barton, 1B
3. Bonds, LF
4. Cust, RF
5. Chavez, 3B
6. Sweeney, DH
7. Ellis, 2B
8. Crosby, SS
9. Suzuki, C

by mikev on Feb 22, 2008 1:03 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I really think you should move Crosby to move up to 6

That way you will have there "B's following by 3 "C's".

It is a shame we don't have some A's in the lineup.

I am also waiting for when we have two Gonzales and to Sweeneys on our team at one time.

Your line does provide one awesome 1-6 when Chavez is healthy.

"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"

by Eastbayjim on Feb 22, 2008 1:13 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I thought about Crosby 6th

Then Denorfia 7th and Ellis 8th.

by mikev on Feb 22, 2008 1:15 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

What the hell we s'posed to do, you more run?

Link

Someone is wrong on the Internet. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Feb 22, 2008 12:33 PM PST   0 recs

The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on Feb 22, 2008 12:39 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

That Cardinal fan never gets old

I wonder if he knows how universally beloved he has become.

by Englishmajor on Feb 22, 2008 8:56 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Thanks for the Fark favorite

But he needed to be updated for this thread.

"Evidently, a large number of people said, 'We really need more vermin at the ballpark, Artie.'" - Nick, 10/7/07

by doctorK on Feb 22, 2008 9:39 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Do we have anyone who could be the next Ricky Henderson?

I remember watching Ricky run and he just caused havoc with the oposing pitchers.

Could Buck or maybe C Gon be the new Ricky if they let him? That would start the A's running alot more.

"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"

by Eastbayjim on Feb 22, 2008 12:36 PM PST   0 recs

Simple answer: no.

Complex answer: Jermaine Mitchell is a good basestealer, but he spent last year in Low Class A ball.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Feb 22, 2008 12:59 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

No team has a next

Rickey Henderson, the mold was broken after Rickey was created. He is a once in a lifetime type ballplayer, who played in a different era where the mindset of managers towards stolen bases was much different than it is today. In order to have a next Rickey, you would need a next Billy Martin as well....

"I Will Not Relent, I Am Driven"... Clutch
Bring Back The Bash!!!

by Shippee33 on Feb 22, 2008 5:08 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

And wacko alcoholics

who let their starters throw 14 innings just aren't around any more. Yet Billy, and only Billy, could get guys like Wayne Gross, Mickey Klutts, Keith Drumright, Shooty Babbitt, Rob Picciolo, and Chicken Stanley, to "triple steal of home" their way into starting a season 17-1. Good times.

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by Nico on Feb 22, 2008 5:14 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

what's more ...

... in order to replicate Rickey, not only would you need his speed, timing, and acumen on the basepaths, and a manager and milieu that encouraged stealing, you'd also need Rickey's strikezone command, plate discipline, and overall batting skills--as in the old adage, you can't steal second from the bench.

"Once in a lifetime" is, I think, inadequate to describe Rickey.

Someone is wrong on the Internet. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Feb 22, 2008 5:22 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

If you want to increase the offense then you need to change what you're doing

Until these kids (I’m saddened by the fact that 31 of the 40 man roster are YOUNGER than I am and I haven’t even hit 30 yet) develop into major league power/high average hitters, I think the best way to score more runs is to play anti-Billy ball and hit and run, bunt, sacrifice a lot more. It’s not sexy, but a hit/walk, bunt, hit is a run and it’s more likely than a couple of hits and/or long ball.

I love the A’s but this “playing for the big inning” hasn’t and isn’t working for us. With our pitching staff (which I believe is going to surprise a lot of people this year) a few one run innings will win a lot more games than one to two “big” innings. Billy should understand that a 9 inning game should be played as a marathon and not a sprint.

Having babbled all that. Best line up from what I see:

L Buck (speed, gap power, should be able to find a way to 2nd or 3rd within 1 out)
R Ellis (little pop, could bunt, go opp field – probably most consistent hitter on team)
L Barton (contact, gap power. Sadly at his inexperience/age, probably one of best hitters on team)
L Cust (power, walk or K – that’s seriously all you get with Cust)
R Crosby (some pop, low enough yet high enough in order to give him confidence/won’t harm team too much especially with Cust on bases in front of him)
L Chavez (power, walk,. Low enough in order to take pressure off him and IF Crosby can get on, a gap shot here or there could score him from 1st)
L R. Sweeny (little pop, wow a lot of these types, contact)
R Suzuki (little pop and breaks up the lefties.
L Denorfia (speed, contact? Don’t know much about this guy)

"Baseball is like a church. Many attend, but few understand." - Wes Westrum

by oaklandfan40 on Feb 22, 2008 12:44 PM PST   0 recs

Your sig line is a hilarious coda

to the first half of your post.

stat-addled alien overlord

by salb918 on Feb 22, 2008 12:50 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Harsh

but justified...

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Feb 22, 2008 1:02 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

What about run distribution?

Maybe we could have less 14 run blowout games, like last year, and more consistent run totals. I used to get so frustrated when we couldn't score a single run when it counted, but have these huge blowouts later on.

by dbuzi123 on Feb 22, 2008 12:49 PM PST   0 recs

That would be awesome!

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by mikeA on Feb 22, 2008 12:51 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Run distribution primer

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/consistency-is-key/
http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/consistency-is-key-part-two/

stat-addled alien overlord

by salb918 on Feb 22, 2008 12:55 PM PST   0 recs

How about running out those line drives?

I always hate to watch the "trot" to first base.....

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by GreenAndGoldFish on Feb 22, 2008 1:02 PM PST   0 recs

No, the comment was about increasing "offense"

not "hamstring pulls."

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by PaulThomas on Feb 22, 2008 1:03 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Ok then maybe

they should move first base closer for the gimpy vets. Here's hoping all the young guys show some spark on the basepaths.

"Last night, Darth Vader came down from planet Vulcan and told me that if I didn't take Lorraine out that he'd melt my brain." - George McFly

by GreenAndGoldFish on Feb 22, 2008 1:08 PM PST   0 recs

How 'bout some clutch

I know there has been much debate if there is such a thing but I am curious to how the A's compare to rest of the league the past few years in hitting with RISP and runners LOB. (I started to look up stats to justify what I think I see with my eyes but they appear to be harder to locate than I anticipated)
Could better situational hitting make up some of those runs?
Is that even possible with the organizational philosophy?
I believe we get as many guys on base as most teams but more via walks than hits. Can batters flip a switch and change their mentality when they have guys on base when they are usually practicing patience and just trying to get on base? Is this our best approach since we cannot afford 'real' hitters? I am not even sure what I mean by 'real' hitters but I mean something.
OK, I only intended one question in this post but each one seemed to trigger another.

by easyraider on Feb 22, 2008 1:29 PM PST   0 recs

In 2007 the A's were worse than normal w RISP

overall
.256/.338/.407
w RISP
.246/.340/.392

MLB
.004 points better BA w RISP
.020 points better OBP w RISP
.001 points better Slg w RISP

OPS change w RISP: (from ESPN.com with my calculations)
Texas 0.081
Atlanta 0.073
San Diego 0.06
Detroit 0.059
San Francisco 0.056
Kansas City 0.054
Washington 0.043
Toronto 0.042
Houston 0.041
Minnesota 0.038
NY Mets 0.026
Baltimore 0.025
Boston 0.023
Chicago Cubs 0.021
Milwaukee 0.021
Pittsburgh 0.021
St. Louis 0.021
MLB 0.021
Arizona 0.013
LA Dodgers 0.011
Cincinnati 0.004
Chicago Sox 0.003
NY Yankees 0
Colorado -0.004
Seattle -0.006
LA Angels -0.01
Oakland -0.012
Tampa Bay -0.012
Florida -0.013
Philadelphia -0.016
Cleveland -0.028

"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback

by devo on Feb 22, 2008 1:51 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Interesting numbers,

confirming what we all though we saw. They don't need more clutch, they need a whole new transmission.

by sslinger on Feb 22, 2008 2:12 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

BUT ...

essentially the entire difference between the A's and the MLB average comes from batting average (and how it figures into OBP and Slg) ...

and that difference in batting average only totals 22 hits in over 1,400 at bats. It's not even a remotely statistically significant difference.

"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback

by devo on Feb 22, 2008 2:35 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, it's interesting to think that

the difference between the A's and the league last year with RISP was only .010 of batting average (.256 to .246 - all of one hit per 100 ABs). HOWEVER, I wonder how it would be if you looked strictly at the "normal range" of close games - the 68% that were least "blowouts". It seems to me that the A's RISP #s were unusually inflated by blowout wins where they might go 10/14 as a team in a 16-4 win, but that they were more than .010 BA points worse than the league in games decided by, say, 3 runs or fewer. I wonder if that's true, or just how it seemed.

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by Nico on Feb 22, 2008 2:43 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Unfortunately ...

I don't think there's an easy way of looking into it ...

Keep in mind, blowouts are going to naturally correlate with periods of high RISP -- and so the numbers for the league could change drastically as well.

Also, keep in mind it could have as much to do with the distribution of ABs w/ RISP as it does with actual performance:
For instance, having Cust bat behind Swisher, he'll get a disproportionate number of ABs with RISP but he has a low batting average. Cust with his OBP then left Chavez and Crosby, with their low Avgs in the position to get a disproportionate number of ABs w/ RISP, especially earlier in the season.

"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback

by devo on Feb 22, 2008 3:01 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Good points -

The correlation between blowouts and high RISP periods occurred to me, but the Cust-behind-Swisher point is also well taken. I continue to be concerned that the A's low AVG-high OBP lineups tend to produce a lot of walks with RISP in innings that yield no runs (but a lot of LOB). This seems to be borne out in the A's RISP stats, which show a relatively low AVG (both to league and team standards) yet a solid OBP. "Your Oakland A's: Walking to leave 'em loaded!"

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Feb 22, 2008 4:53 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

BUT ....

Despite having a relatively poor overall offense, the team was able to get a league average portion of their at bats with runners in scoring position BECAUSE of all of those walks ...

"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback

by devo on Feb 22, 2008 4:58 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

True - again, an achievement

in the quest to dare to reach new heights in LOB.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Feb 22, 2008 5:00 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

ah

and we know how great Texas was and how bad Cleveland turned out.

by rebus on Feb 22, 2008 2:20 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Interesting numbers to look at

But the two teams in the world series finished 13th and 23rd overall, and their opponents in the ALCS and NLCS finished 18th and last overall, so I see how based upon those numbers how the OPS change w RISP, translates to a winning ball club.

"I Will Not Relent, I Am Driven"... Clutch
Bring Back The Bash!!!

by Shippee33 on Feb 22, 2008 5:16 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I see the avatar in the corner of this post

and something else. Yes, I do believe it's a 5-ton elephant.

He's holding up a sign. I'm trying to read it.

OK, I've got it. It says "Hey, you may have noticed that only one of MLB's final four was even above average in this statistic."

I think he's trying to make the point that it's totally irrelevant to whether you're a good team or not, because it's pure frigging luck.

On second look, it seems the elephant is not making his case strongly enough. Boston was the highest ranking team in this stat to even MAKE the playoffs. The top 12 teams in this statistic did not make the playoffs.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Feb 22, 2008 5:29 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Instead of looking at playoffs

positions, you should be looking at runs scored. You're conflating pitching and D with RISP.

Of course, runs scored makes a similar point. Top offenses like the Phillies, the Yankees, Marlins, Angels were equally bad at hitting with RISP as the A's.

Wheres the Giants were one of the top teams in hitting with RISP.

ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524

by rfloh on Feb 22, 2008 10:41 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I'm pulling out of this thread.

Even the people who "agree" with me are irritating me.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Feb 22, 2008 10:54 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

and one call for

Run Dmc

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Feb 22, 2008 1:44 PM PST   0 recs

RUN

ah, once again my firend
not a trend for then
they said, rap was crap
but never had this band
till the ruler came
with a cooler name
make ya dance and prance and
draw the fans to stades
name is Run my son
number one for fun
not a gun that's done and
get done by none
the others act in fact ya
just wack i kill
[ DMC ] why?
[ RUN ] because its fun my son
and Run heads the bill!

[ chorus ]
Who's house?
Run's house!

"Last night, Darth Vader came down from planet Vulcan and told me that if I didn't take Lorraine out that he'd melt my brain." - George McFly

by GreenAndGoldFish on Feb 22, 2008 2:11 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

here's hoping the A's

inherit a bad case of the runs this year, which in that case, it would be a good case of the runs...

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Feb 22, 2008 1:49 PM PST   0 recs