An Open Letter/Marketing Survey to Billy and Lew: Open the Coliseum for the Japan Games!
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More than just jumbotron
I think in order to make it worth paying, there would have to be more than just watching on the jumbotron. I don't mean like tons of free giveaway stuff, but I'd like concessions open, and maybe some sort of "run around the bases" or something. Paying money to sit out in the cold and watch the game on the jumbotron is not quite enough to pay.
by el generico on
Feb 15, 2008 4:54 PM PST
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I should have clarified
Absolutely, I would think that having at least some of the concession stands open would have to be part of the deal—not only for fan attractiveness, but also for the A's to make more money off the event.
Even if they're clever, they become stupid with repetition. @('.')@
by monkeyball on
Feb 15, 2008 4:58 PM PST
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Problem on concessions would be
no beer sales between 2 a.m. and 6 a.m. There goes one of the most profitable concession items.
by Soaker on
Feb 15, 2008 6:04 PM PST
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They can open beer sales ...
after the 7th inning.
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by devo on
Feb 15, 2008 6:29 PM PST
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Interesting Idea
While I personally can't make it, I would if I were in the area.
They could try to have similar events as they did for fan fest....
Logistically it just seems too complicated to have it happen.
by MoneyManWilliam on
Feb 15, 2008 4:57 PM PST
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Even better, since they are in the same
parking lot, and it would be indoors. Would the A's have to rent out Oracle Arena. The Warriors won't be playing that early, and as cold as it can be at 3 am in Oakland, the indoor Warrior Jumbotron would work better.
by theblackpearl on
Feb 15, 2008 5:07 PM PST
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that's a great suggestion
No idea how the franchise would deal with "rent" on the Arena, though. The advantage of the Coliseum is that the team already has the lease on it (though doubtless there'd have to be some sort of agreement put into place for the additional 1-2 days of unanticipated use).
Even if they're clever, they become stupid with repetition. @('.')@
by monkeyball on
Feb 15, 2008 5:41 PM PST
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I would totally go
if I weren't going to be on Hawai'i. I'll get to see it starting at midnight, if I did the math right.
But by the way, is anyone else rankled by these both being designated as A's Home games? That is utter bullshit. I see this as a potentially significant disadvantage to the A's, as far as them competing for a division title or wild card berth. The only fair way to handle this would be for the teams to split the Home games. It seems to me this is an admission by MLB that making ever larger piles of money is more important than leveling the playing field.
by Brian in 317 on
Feb 15, 2008 5:25 PM PST
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Home teams win 55% of games.
The difference between 2 home games and 1 home/1 away is a difference of one-tenth of a game in the standings. It's roughly the equivalent of starting the first game of the season down 1-0.
Pardon the sarcasm, but I don't see that as exactly crippling the team's pennant hopes. Particularly given their borderline nonexistent status anyway.
Also, part of that 5% (not sure exactly how much) is due to batting last, which is an advantage the team will still have.
The extra revenue gained from the A's getting the larger part of the gate receipts will be far more of an advantage competitively than "losing" two home games is a disadvantage.
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by PaulThomas on
Feb 15, 2008 8:04 PM PST
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I really don't get your math
It just ain't that tidy.
by Brian in 317 on
Feb 15, 2008 9:06 PM PST
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Color me skeptical
Mostly I don't see much of a Boston fan turnout...the "sit in the dark and watch a big TV" thing seems more a hardcore home fan experience, not a frontrunning loudmouth assholish visiting fan experience. That and the pre-dawn workweek timing drop the potential crowd drastically, and thus there's no money in concessions, staffing, etc etc. So it's hard to see it being even break-even unless the price is high, and it's hard to see people turning out at all unless the price is low. And call me a cynic, but I'm having trouble seeing Lew opening the gates in a gesture of profitless goodwill to a few thousand hardcore Oakland fans.
However, if it's free I'd go, and if the staffing level at the search tables is light (ahem) I wouldn't sweat the lack of concessions either. I'd also be up for a hell of a pre-game tailgate in the BART lot starting at 1:00 AM, if we had a critical mass, or if alox and some of his "legally armed as a consequence of employment" buddies were there.
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by FreeSeatUpgrade on
Feb 15, 2008 6:42 PM PST
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That might be problematic,
depending on your motives for the "light" search table! However, if your motives are pure (at least 80 proof), we might have a deal! Fair warning, we will need a lot of 80 proof. A whole lot. And women.
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by alox on
Feb 15, 2008 8:59 PM PST
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I'd be fully down, but.......
I'll be at the Tokyo Dome. And, despite the high likelihood that I'll be outnumbered by Massholes, I'll do my best to make our boys feel like it's a home game.
by jesseholm on
Feb 15, 2008 6:47 PM PST
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You can't let the red sox in there!
I mean they'll see everything! They'll see the big board!
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by Buck Turgidson on
Feb 15, 2008 7:08 PM PST
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In all seriousness
I have some advice for Lew. Quit screwing with the Oakland fanbase and do right by us and build a stadium in Oakland. There's land available on the old army base. It'll be cheap right now. Either that or put some money into refurbishing the coliseum. Or if not just leave well enough alone and let the A's play in the coliseum.
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by Buck Turgidson on
Feb 15, 2008 7:11 PM PST
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Such a great idea
Maybe it's because I'm essentially a nocturnal being already (save for this past week...damn the flu that's currently sweeping through the office), but I think this is a great idea. It'd definitely build some cool fan momentum for the season and lend the Japan games a nice shot of energy. If it's between this and huddling by my radio so as not to wake my roommate, I'd definitely take this.
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by Wes7 on
Feb 15, 2008 7:32 PM PST
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I would vote
but then you could all click on my user name and check how I voted. And, well.
I don't see this happening at 3am during the week, but I love the idea of it.
Dayumm, though, it will be *cold*.
by lurkerD on
Feb 15, 2008 9:02 PM PST
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Holy Big Brother Batman
I hadn't noticed that you could see how someone responds to a poll on their profile. Shouldn't poll responses be anonymous?
by Brian in 317 on
Feb 16, 2008 7:34 AM PST
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wait until AN 4.0 ...
... when, in addition to the AN membership fee, we institute an "invisible" poll tax, and charge you $0.99 each time you vote!
Even if they're clever, they become stupid with repetition. @('.')@
by monkeyball on
Feb 16, 2008 10:25 AM PST
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I'd be more interested
if I didn't have school that same morning.
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by Kimberly on
Feb 15, 2008 10:06 PM PST
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The problem for me
I'd go, if I didn't have school early in the morning and also my bro and sister's birthdays are the 25th and 27th so I couldn't do it. I will be awake and listening to the radio from start to finish, however.
The problem is I doubt that the staff would be willing to work at 3AM. They'd have to hire one day staff becuase most regulars would prefer not to work at that hour. Most Boston fans wouldn't want to go that early to see their favorite player, the great and powerful, Manny Ortiz!
by VivaOakland on
Feb 15, 2008 11:01 PM PST
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I voted
against it merely because I think it'd be a logistical nightmare. If i wasn't at 3 a.m., then yeah, I'd love the idea. But how much overtime do the concessions folks earn for working in the middle of the night? How about extra police for the folks who stay at bars for closing time and decide to head to the Coliseum?
I don't know, I just think there's too much involved to get it to happen.
by Blez on
Feb 15, 2008 11:48 PM PST
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Well, Beane's a soccer fan
or so that's what everyone says.
What monkeyball is suggesting is pretty prevalent in soccer all over the world.
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by rfloh on
Feb 16, 2008 10:43 AM PST
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Well Blez ...go on and...
pop the bubble. I voted for spending 10 bucks to go but your post is a splash of reality. I would probably be too frightened to drive to the Coli at that time of the night.
by IM4Oakgal on
Feb 16, 2008 2:41 PM PST
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In real terms, I think you're probably right
That's why I phrased the poll questions the way I did, and appended "marketing survey" to the title -- to give them a quick and clear reckoning of what proportion of self-selected diehard fans would be willing to pony up. I think the threshold would be pretty darn high before they'd even think about it.
Even if they're clever, they become stupid with repetition. @('.')@
by monkeyball on
Feb 16, 2008 4:51 PM PST
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I'd go if I weren't living in Tokyo
and I hadn't managed to get tickets to one of the games (for once, I'm on the right side of the Pacific when it comes to A's games). Logistically it does seem rather daunting but it could be a lot of fun.
by Mark A on
Feb 16, 2008 1:48 AM PST
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I'm in -- but wouldn't the arena be a better venue?
Semi-warm, smaller seating area and bigger, closer jumbotron possible?
Or were we planing a softball game against The Massholes concurrent with the opener?
If all else fails, is there a sports bar we can convince to stay open for us?
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by The Dogfather on
Feb 16, 2008 5:53 PM PST
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At least open the Westside Club
If it's a smallish crowd the WSC would be perfect. Light food and non-alc beverages. Indoors, Minimal staff needed, actaully in the stadium, plenty of TVs. It would be a great place to gather. Not to mention that I think the neighbors would have a problem with the noise if we were to try an run Diamond Vision in the middle of the night. I know Raiders Boosters meet there. Why not open it up for the game?
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by westsideclubbin on
Feb 18, 2008 11:52 AM PST
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That's a fantastic idea
As I recall it can even be accessed via a small entrance near Guest Services (in the plaza between the Arena and the Coliseum), which would make it easy to do with small staffing.
There is an A in Whimsy.
by FreeSeatUpgrade on
Feb 18, 2008 2:01 PM PST
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I like the idea
I still don't think I would come but for those that would I bet it would be so much fun! It sounds like a great solution.
by IM4Oakgal on
Feb 18, 2008 2:14 PM PST
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I posted without reading.
I agree, see below, WEST SIIIIIIIDE
by jeffro on
Feb 19, 2008 2:06 PM PST
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rockin' idea!
It has been considered a blunder for decades and will probably continue to be so. @('.')@
by monkeyball on
Feb 19, 2008 4:18 PM PST
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What about
the westside club? That would be a cool place to have such an event.
by jeffro on
Feb 19, 2008 2:04 PM PST
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