Jeremy Brown announces his retirement
Oakland Athletics Agreed to terms with C Matt LeCroy on a Minor League contract; Non-roster invitee C Jeremy Brown announced his retirement.It's not an article yet on the A's team site, but I'm sure it will be by the end of the day. This obviously doesn't have any major impact long-term, but Brown was one of the most entertaining storylines of "Moneyball" as a heavyset, unathletic catcher who tore up the SEC. Michael Lewis used Brown and the conversations surrounding him in the A's draft "war room" to help tell a story of the debate between scouts vs. stats in the A's front office as the team prepared for '02 draft. Thus, his retirement is symbolic. Jeremy Brown is perhaps one of the most famous players in history to have absolutely zero impact as a player in the Major Leagues - he's probably on a short list with Michael Jordan of the Birmingham Barons.
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Weird
He wasn't a hot shot by any means, but he had begun starting to hit better and he wasn't prohibitively old yet. He still could have had a longish career as an offensively capable backup.
RagingHarden: Yeah if you get 20 starts out of me I'll be shocked. Like, I'll wreck my drawers.
Huh ... that's surprising ...
Brown was making fairly good money, as a minor leaguer who had been in the bigs. I thought he had a pretty good chance at becoming Adam Melhuse and with MiLB free agency coming soon, his odds would have been getting even better.
"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback
Was he though?
He was dropped from the 40-Man Roster last year... doesn't that hurt a player's financial situation?
by Colorado Fan on Feb 15, 2008 12:27 PM PST up reply actions
I believe that being on the 40-man
or having ever been in the majors, regardless of current roster status leave a player at the same salary level.
"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback
Maybe there really is Life After Baseball.
It'll be interesting to see whether they elaborate on his future plans. Hope so -- he is an intriguing personality.
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
Jeremy Brown's future plans
He's been hired as an assistant marketing director for Levi Strauss.
formerly known as mdl
Maybe he'll start posting on AN as...
notsellingjeans.
It's Rhodes Scholar Night at the Coliseum tonight.
that makes me
very sad. I would have loved to see him make it
Let's have our Piazza and eat the Cust too - SPWC
he did make it (for a minute)...
and he had a hell of a game against Seattle...
and he has a lifetime batting average of .300...
"Good pitching will always stop good hitting and vice-versa."- Casey Stengel
by Guerilla_Sermon on Feb 16, 2008 12:15 AM PST up reply actions
I think it would be very interesting
to hear his reasons for retiring. I remember reading an article about him where he said he was constantly heckled and harrassed because of moneyball. I wonder if that had anything to do with it? And perhaps he just didn't want to be a career back-up?
To me, as a lover of baseball, it's insane to think of someone declining to get PAID to play baseball. But I'm not in his shoes so maybe it's not as glamourus as it sounds.
A's all the way in 08 . . . oh never mind!
More on Brown
Obviously Moneyball is a very widely-read book and widely misinterpreted, which all of us here are acutely aware of.
I think one of the fascinating (mis?)conceptions of that book - and one that I've never heard anyone else talk about - is the belief that Paul DePodesta and Billy Beane actually believed that Jeremy Brown was one of the top players in that draft.
Now, that statement above seems counterintuitive. If you've read the book a few times, you know that Michael Lewis goes into great detail describing how bullish DePodesta is about Brown, and how Beane and DePo go about trying to convince Fuson and the rest of the scouting staff of his "worthiness" of a top pick.
But I think that, in an attempt to make the book readable and entertaining to the mainstream baseball fan, Lewis did a bit of disservice to the reality of what was going on there.
I'm going to give DePodesta - and Beane - the credit of recognizing that Jeremy Brown was never a first round talent - and I think Michael Lewis did a bit of disservice presenting it that way, since this was an incredible rare glimpse into a front office and it was important to get it right.
A far, far more likely scenario is this: The A's found themselves with 7(?) picks in the top 100, and they were too poor in '02 to pay all of them slot money and have a $10 million draft budget. (This ties in slightly to Grover's outstanding diary from last week, which is a must-read if you haven't already, regardless of your opinion about the A's financial strategy or drafting philosophy).
So, because the A's couldn't pay $10 million toward the draft in '02 (which is probably what it would have required to pay slot for all those top picks they had as compensation for losing FAs), they found guys like Brown, who would agree to pre-draft agreements and had some outstanding statistical projection.
If I recall correctly, in The Good Book Lewis writes that Brown's pre-draft agreement called for him to accept a signing bonus in the range of $350K - several hundred thousand below slot for the 35th overall pick.
The point is, Lewis left some readers with the impression that Paul DePodesta and Beane pinned Brown's name near the top of their draft board by choice.
In reality, I think the front office was systematically picking some cheaper players with low or no upside BUT with a lot of projectibility, not enitrely by choice but because of their finances.
Which, in my opinion, is how you end up with a system that produces an abundance of #4-5 starters, utility infielders, and league-average corner outfielders - but no elite talent anywhere. It's taking James Simmons over Rick Porcello because of the six million difference in price, not because Simmons is a better pitcher.
Back to '02, the draft, and what Jeremy Brown represents - Whether that decision - a low draft budget, despite so many picks - was ownership's or Beane's allocation of resources is probably up for debate, and we've debated it many times.
But I'd argue that splurging on that one draft in '02 - a golden opportunity, when the A's still had somewhat of a knowledge edge on the wealthier teams and tons of top picks to use - could've been the difference in a playoff berth or two.
Hindsight is 20/20. I feel lucky to be a fan of a team with a very intelligent front office.
"I still say put Jack Cust on some roller skates, arm him with a squeeze tube of epoxy, and let him loose in CF...righteous!" -MRod
by notsellingjeans on Feb 15, 2008 10:45 AM PST reply actions
The book specifically says ...
that not only did the A's consider Brown a legit first round talent, he was a fairly high end first round talent.
According to Moneyball (pg 110), these were the A's Top 12 position players, regardless of signability:
Nick Swisher
Russ Adams
Khalil Greene
John McCurdy
Mark Teahen
Jeremy Brown
Steve Stanley
John Baker
Mark Kiger
Brian Stavisky
Shaun Larkin
Brant Colamarino
"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback
by devo on Feb 15, 2008 10:55 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
sorry ... forgot to finish the previous comment ...
Do you have any evidence from BB, et al that this was not their list?
"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback
No...
And I am glad you found that list. I highly value what you Devin so your contrarian view here (and the damning evidence) admittedly gives me some pause, since I'm just spitballing.
But I also think that Beane and DePo could've easily held a few things back from Lewis. There was no need or desire to give him an exact blueprint, or paint the organization in a negative light.
I think the "regardless of signability" part is the only part of the list/quote that may be a half-truth.
Beane would've had zero incentive to allow the publication of an article in which he tacitly admitted, "Yeah, I know this Jeremy Brown guy isn't as good as some of the people being taken near him. But hey, we don't have the money to take those guys. So, he's the best of what we can afford."
That's no way to make Brown or anyone else from that draft feel confident their organization believes they can be impact players, so there would be no incentive to tell that to Lewis.
For the last five years, the A's have wanted Jeremy Brown to believe that, despite what the rest of baseball world had told him, he was special to them and they recognized his gifts, and he was all they wanted. That's smart - that's how you build a player's confidence.
"I still say put Jack Cust on some roller skates, arm him with a squeeze tube of epoxy, and let him loose in CF...righteous!" -MRod
by notsellingjeans on Feb 15, 2008 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
Can't disagree with the logic ...
but as I get at in my most recent reply -- there wasn't a whole lot of other quality talent available and all of the best players drafted after Joe Blanton were HS players.
The 4 best picks in the 2nd/3rd rounds (IMO):
Joey Votto (44)
John Lester (57)
Brian McCann (64)
Curtis Granderson (80)
Votto was below slot, Granderson was at slot, Lester and McCann were above slot -- but not more than we were paying the guys whose draft slots they would have taken if we selected them.
Money wasn't really an issue -- but all four were high school kids.
I'd figure the bigger issue is with risk than with absolute cost.
"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback
RE: "All four were high school kids"
Granderson was a UIC (University of Illinois-Chicago) product.
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You're right ... my bad ...
his risk came from the football thing.
"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback
Hmm .... coulda swore ...
wasn't there some reason he dropped?
"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback
His name is Curtis.
You really need another reason?
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by Ozzz on Feb 15, 2008 4:50 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
One other thing ...
he's not listed there, but the top pitcher was Jeremy Guthrie -- a college player, who had high bonus demands, so we knew we couldn't sign him. He wasn't available by the time our 2nd pick came around, so we couldn't have gotten him anyway (there was no way we weren't taking Swisher with the first pick).
"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback
Books tell a story
and though Devo points out the list on page 110, it may be a list that Michael Lewis fabricated via conversation, and not reality. But I'm splitting a fine point into a finer point.
It well may be that Brown is retiring due to the influence of the book. A better ultimate story would be an inside-out Santiago Casilla move. Retire, get off the radar, use the name Roy Hobbs, and go for a tryout in a year or two. Work your way back into the Big Leagues under a different name.
Outsell "Harry Potter" with the story!
"I never predict anything, and I never will." Paul Gascoigne, English footballer
by One won lost won on Feb 15, 2008 11:05 AM PST up reply actions
How about the name Reggie Stocker?
Or Jon Dowd?
Those seem to be available now.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
Naw, Jeremy should get
a big afro, either his own hair or... and come back as "Oscar Gamble Jr."
"I never predict anything, and I never will." Paul Gascoigne, English footballer
by One won lost won on Feb 15, 2008 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
Jon Dowd is the shit.
Didn't Millar have a made up name on MLB05, too?
Friese...I thnk that was it. Anthony Friese, or something like that.
It's Rhodes Scholar Night at the Coliseum tonight.
Yeah
Brendan Donnelly was missing as well.
"Friese" was particularly weird looking, as the skin/hair color combination made him look like a tawny-haired Aborigine.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
Oh, and ... (there are probably 7 or 8 more replies coming ...)
Oh, also ... the 2002 "Gold Opportunity" ... we got most of the best players available after the first 15 picks (the ones before which we never had a chance at). The guys we missed -- Joey Votto, John Lester and Brian McCann in the 2nd round could have been had for the money we paid our late first round/supplemental round picks (which is where we'd have had to take them -- they were all gone by the time our 2nd round pick came around).
We also missed Curtis Granderson in the 3rd round, who, while he got considerably more than we gave Steve Stanely 13 picks earlier, accepted slot bonus money. That's the only worthwhile guy who we would have had to invested more money to have signed.
"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback
by devo on Feb 15, 2008 11:08 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Let's not read too much into this
I think it's pretty clear that the personal issues which the A's cited a few days ago had something to do with this. It may be a family problem where he simply doesn't feel like he can be away for six months at a time right now.
If I'm not mistaken, this makes him the third of the "Moneyball Twelve" to drop out of baseball, after McCurdy and Stanley.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Feb 15, 2008 11:06 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, great point
It's all too easy to forget that these guys have lives and family obligations.
I'm trying to read too much into the move - obviously from a Win Shares standpoint, his retirement is inconsequential.
I do think it's an interesting opportunity to reflect on what he represented.
"I still say put Jack Cust on some roller skates, arm him with a squeeze tube of epoxy, and let him loose in CF...righteous!" -MRod
by notsellingjeans on Feb 15, 2008 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
It is and it isn't
It makes the third base situation for the org look even worse than it already was... hurts the catching depth, too. JD Closser already left, so of guys who are semi-plausible options, Knoedler is about the only one available outside of the starters.
On the other hand, getting Rob Bowen as a throw-in in the Kendall trade looks pretty prescient right now.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
Well, there's Matt LeCroy now, too ...
"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback
He seems to have died in 2006
since his reanimated corpse put up the numbers you'd expect from a reanimated corpse last season.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
I'm just saying ... he exists ...
"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback
i think it's clearly related to the personal issues
brown hit pretty well in 5 mlb games in 06 and in sacramento last year, i'm not sure why he'd retire just now unless it was for personal reasons unrelated to baseball...
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
Bummers
The Beane/Moneyball haters will forget that a lot of prospects just don't work out and say "see, he was wrong! blah blah blah".
Perfect that this was posted by a user named "notsellingjeans"
by Eric in Atlanta on Feb 15, 2008 11:08 AM PST reply actions
It seemed like the right thing to do :)
"I still say put Jack Cust on some roller skates, arm him with a squeeze tube of epoxy, and let him loose in CF...righteous!" -MRod
by notsellingjeans on Feb 15, 2008 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
He had a cup of coffee.
In my view, that makes him a justified pick.
He got there. Fair play.
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Noooooo!
Not the Badger (and no, I will not post an eyeworm/earworm link).
"Evidently, a large number of people said, 'We really need more vermin at the ballpark, Artie.'" - Nick, 10/7/07
Most famous minor league baseball players...
to never make even a slight major league impact:
1. Michael Jordan
2. Jeremy Brown
3. Brien Taylor (No. 1 overall pick of the Yankees in the '91 draft)
I'm scared at who I'm probably omitting from this list but fascinated with who else some of you will come up with. Any takers?
"I still say put Jack Cust on some roller skates, arm him with a squeeze tube of epoxy, and let him loose in CF...righteous!" -MRod
by notsellingjeans on Feb 15, 2008 11:36 AM PST reply actions
moonlight graham
well he wasn't a famous minor-leaguer, but his one game in the majors outshines the careers of many thanks to Field of Dreams.
"Oakland has now increased its payroll to the point that it now ranks third in the Bay Area among all McDonald's franchises.”
-Sandy Alderson, former A’s general manager.
Crash Davis
Fictional, but "famous."
Even if they're clever, they become stupid with repetition. @('.')@
There actually was a Crash Davis
He played second for the Durham Bulls in the '40s. There is an exhibit in the Durham Bulls park about him. Apparently when the movie was made someone spotted that name and decided to use it for the protagonist.
"We've come a long way, and I'm not talking about Virginia Slims, either." - Art Howe
yes, and he played for the A's
from 1940-42
and if I ever figure out how to add a link in my comments, I'll show you his stats.
"Oakland has now increased its payroll to the point that it now ranks third in the Bay Area among all McDonald's franchises.”
-Sandy Alderson, former A’s general manager.
Write the words you want to use as the link...
then select them. While the text is highlited, hit the "link" option (the little infintiy, sideways 8 thingy). Then put the url in the box you're given.
You may have to allow scripted windows in your browser, but that comes up as an option on the top of my windeow before I can even paste the url.
Sorry if that left you more confused than before.
It's Rhodes Scholar Night at the Coliseum tonight.
let's try it
"Oakland has now increased its payroll to the point that it now ranks third in the Bay Area among all McDonald's franchises.”
-Sandy Alderson, former A’s general manager.
Fidel Castro
Apocryphal, but "famous."
Even if they're clever, they become stupid with repetition. @('.')@
Apocryphal
Bill Richardson
formerly known as mdl
by iglew on Feb 15, 2008 1:28 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
+1
well played, artist formerly known as mdl.
"I still say put Jack Cust on some roller skates, arm him with a squeeze tube of epoxy, and let him loose in CF...righteous!" -MRod
by notsellingjeans on Feb 15, 2008 1:47 PM PST up reply actions
ditto that
I knew I was forgetting someone, but I had a brain-freeze on BR.
Even if they're clever, they become stupid with repetition. @('.')@
He did pitch in Cape Cod League
but evidently that doesn't count as "minor league".
formerly known as mdl
Hey, man
He won two more World Series than A-Rod has.
Clearly he was a better player than that choking loser.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Feb 15, 2008 12:38 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Drew Henson
another Yankees bust (and not the kind they have out in Yankee Stadium).
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
Former Batavia Muckdog Ricky Williams
Baseball was not the sport where a team would've traded their entire year's supply of draft picks for the right to draft Ricky.
To reach here
gliding into old age
the decades gone
without ever meeting one person
truly evil
without ever meeting one person
truly exceptional
without ever meeting one person
truly good
gliding into old age
the decades gone
the mornings are the worst.
by Cutthemullet on Feb 18, 2008 2:24 AM PST up reply actions
Danny Ainge
Baseball star,,,er,,,basketball star
"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane
by athleticsBB4life on Feb 15, 2008 11:50 AM PST reply actions
brown went out with a bang
2 for 4 with two doubles in the last game of the 2006 season.
his five games in the bigs (obviously) ranks very high on the list of least amount of contests for someone who spent his "entire" career with the A's (Oakland).
there will be more on that coming soon to a fan post near you.
"Oakland has now increased its payroll to the point that it now ranks third in the Bay Area among all McDonald's franchises.”
-Sandy Alderson, former A’s general manager.
scored the winning run in the 10th
on an error; his only major league run scored.
(A's beat the Halos 11-10)
"Oakland has now increased its payroll to the point that it now ranks third in the Bay Area among all McDonald's franchises.”
-Sandy Alderson, former A’s general manager.
funny fanpost bug/discrepancy
So, when fanposts get "promoted" via recommendations, they disappear from the ordinary chronological fanpost list on the front page sidebar.
However, when fanposts get promoted via an admin bumping it up to the front page, they still remain (as this one does) in the list on the front page sidebar.
Even if they're clever, they become stupid with repetition. @('.')@
the whole rec system is funny to me
I think we're too free with our recommendations. Most DLD's (not that all DLD's are "unworthy") make their way to the rec list. Blez's "Welcome to the New AN" is there, even though there is nothing particularly profound or poignant about it. He just poked his head in; all of AN was going to read it whether it was recommended material or not.
"Oakland has now increased its payroll to the point that it now ranks third in the Bay Area among all McDonald's franchises.”
-Sandy Alderson, former A’s general manager.
I think the rec formula needs tweaking.
something to do with number of recs and time since the diary was published. It's a bit silly a majority of the things up there are 3 days old.
"The hard... is what makes it great."
subject is required
there should be a limit too....no need to have 9 FanPosts there as "most recommended".....maybe the top 5, or the ones that are within the past day or two, but to have 9 of them.....too many.....
There's no crying in baseball!
by gigglingone on Feb 15, 2008 12:37 PM PST up reply actions
bring back unrequired subjects!
Apricot's DLD just went up... and nothing came down.
I'd also like to see Recommended at the top (under the current series box, which is completely misplaced), and have the new stories... elsewhere. I mean, I've seen them before, on the front page... but maybe that's just me.
"The hard... is what makes it great."
and I could be wrong
but it seems like it's more noticeable now, with our usual front page writers not providing fresh material.
nico? bbg? where are you guys?
but yeah the rec. posts seem to be staying longer. not sure if it's for lack of posts, or rec. posts.
"Oakland has now increased its payroll to the point that it now ranks third in the Bay Area among all McDonald's franchises.”
-Sandy Alderson, former A’s general manager.
This is a bug
that was present on AN 2.0 as well. Although I think it was inverse. Posts that got "promoted" stayed in the recommended diaries section but disappeared from the recent diaries section.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
Poor guy
If it is family-related, I hope it gets worked out soon. Maybe he'll be able to come back someday. The way catchers in the bigs are hitting these days, he can swing the stick. Relatively speaking.
Front page
Blez and Co. are absolutely swamped right now. Front-page content is going to be touch and go for a little while, but will soon get back to normal.
As for the length that a diary remains recommended, I actually like that they stay up there for several days now. Many, many ANers (and lurkers especially) have stretches where they don't visit AN for a day or two - I think it's nice that they can still QUICKLY find the content that has been most popular here of late.
It's worth the mild annoyance that it poses to the regulars, IMO.
"I still say put Jack Cust on some roller skates, arm him with a squeeze tube of epoxy, and let him loose in CF...righteous!" -MRod
by notsellingjeans on Feb 15, 2008 1:52 PM PST reply actions
good point, regarding length of posts
and yeah, I guess Blez and crew are running around with their heads cut off. fortunately we have enough talent here to pick up the slack.
"Oakland has now increased its payroll to the point that it now ranks third in the Bay Area among all McDonald's franchises.”
-Sandy Alderson, former A’s general manager.
Sort of agree, but
It'd be better to have a set amount, say 5 (or optional setting), and leave them there until something new/bigger/better shows up to replace them. So if nothing big shows up, it has to potential to spend a week or more on there, etc.
The thing that I find a little annoying is that the order isn't in post time order so the DLD from thursday shows up below the DLD from Tuesday, etc. This wouldn't be a problem if they remained in the regular section as well, but if you're following a post and it suddenly gets recommended, then it becomes harder to track just where it is since it disappears. It'd be better to keep it there while providing the recommended diary even more visibility (i.e like this diary that now is consider so good or important that it can now be found in 2 different locations so it's harder to miss).
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ESPN link
was personal issues
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3248032
Let's have our Piazza and eat the Cust too - SPWC
also weird
and it may just be me, but it doesn't even let you copy the text/link so you can't manually cut and paste it.
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sf gate
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/02/15/sports/s123026S46.DTL
The A's will leave open the opportunity for the 28-year-old Brown to come back to the organization if that's something he decides he wants down the road."It's a shame. The kid could really hit. We certainly understand his family's more important at this point," Beane said. "It caught us a little by surprise. Things like this, personal issues, come up. ... It's absolutely an open door."
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
no, i made it into a link
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
In a related story, Joe Morgan claimed he'd never heard of Jeremy Brown ...
... but he did know Brown would never make it.
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
Jeremy Brown never existed
He was a character in that novel by Billy Beane.
Even if they're clever, they become stupid with repetition. @('.')@
Joe knows Billy didn't write it
It was a computer that was programmed by Billy that wrote it.
Or maybe Billy is the computer, and he was programmed by someone-I can never keep it straight.
Glad to See Beane's Comment
As someone who has met and interviewed Michael Lewis, I get the impression he's someone who aims for strict accuracy. I also got the impression, talking with Lewis, that Beane & Company did not waste energy keeping information from him, or hiding their true purposes in the draft.
I'm looking forward to Lewis's sequel to Moneyball, not merely to discover what happened to the individuals involved, including Jeremy Brown, but hopefully to read analyses of the successes and failures of the 2002 draft, and how the A's have worked to rectify them.
Lewis also said he believes Moneyball, in the long run, to be a losing proposition because eventually all hidden values get discovered.
That last sentence...
is a really oversimplified assessment. I'm not sure if the oversimplification is due to Lewis' actual assertion, your summarization of it, or both, but...regardless, that's basically saying that baseball evaluation will attain a state of perfection, attaching the perfect value to every player, prospect...hell, every member of the organization, to the point where finances would completely dictate the success of a given franchise. That's ridiculous. The playing field has leveled a bit, the task is more challenging, but team management will never be perfect/equal/perfectly equal/equally perfect.
god, these preview and cancel buttons are enormous compared to the font size as it appears while typing...
and I never thought of posting to be such an accomplishment to merit an exclamation point...that feature should disappear after a certain period of time on the site, once people become accustomed to seeing their words out in the open. Or maybe there should be two buttons, one for the entusiastic and one for the blase..."POST!" and "Post."...then the button you selected could show up in your profile, too, so that everyone can decide how much posting on AN matters to you. It's not that cut-and-dry, though...you'd have to derive some formula that weighs volume of posts with the button used...if, say, I'm posting long posts frequently, but opting for the "Post." button, there's obviously some latent enthusiasm there that would suggest usage of "POST!". Or, you could arrive at the opposite conclusion, thinking that by this point in his posting career the person has simply taken the site for granted. Then we could conduct front-page polls about individual users' enthusiasm levels as determined by the various subjective methods people employ--and those votes' appearances in people's profiles would perpetuate the process--extra piece of evidence for enthusiasm or lack thereof. Eventually these enthusiasm quotients would be quantified by Sal on some special Staturday, and we'd all have numbers attached to us, which would help to fill the void created by the departure of the user IDs. The variable of time spent on site would have to be offset by other variables, like the totality of things one could be doing otherwise. If you're a really frequent visitor, contributor, and, most importantly, user of the "POST!" button, but then it's revealed you're an invalid or a shut-in, with limited Internet access thanks to restrictions placed by the caretaker, well, this is more a product of circumstances, and the enthusiasm quotient should therefore be adjusted downward. But if you're, say, Jeremy Brown, and you've opted to give up on [cult hero-type] fame and [modest] fortune in order to be able spend more time not with family, but AN family, as he clearly has with his retirement here, well, that sort of sacrifice, even if offset by a high "Post." to "POST!" ratio, would demand a high enthusiasm quotient.
This of course was all meant to tie in to the original point about the oversimplification by Lewis as told by richwol (this wording is intentional--Lewis is meant to be portrayed here as a prophetic figure, richwol an evangelist whose account of Lewis' words may sometimes be inconsistent with the accounts provided by fellow evangelists, whose writings will likely emerge sometime in the following decades until the CGV committee decides which interpretations get to comprise AN's sacred text, which was already being compiled throughout the ages, in the manifestos of 1.0 and 2.0, for example)...as of now, the difficulty of perfecting the Enthusiasm Quotients illustrates the limitations of statistical applications. But although I doubt now, I have a premonition that sometime while on the road to Fremont, around 2012 or so, I will be temporarily blinded by the lights of an oncoming BART train, and the parking lot with a mayor will become the unlikely site of a conversion to Lewism, a polytheistic belief system with Lewis as the father, Lew Wolff as the son, and a perfectly valued future A, perhaps Lew Ford, as the spirit. I will from that point forward propagate the unfailing wisdom of Lewism, posting new additions to the Sacred Text with a zeal that would require the presence of an untold number of exclamation points on the POST button, which by this point would attain some sort of mystical significance within the realm of Lewism. AN would be divided--most would reject Lewism, run him out of the Bay Area altogether--but a select few would witness his rising in Vegas in the third year, with a closed door feast in a Bellagio dining room, with Lew exposing the scars left by the upper deck tarp in which his body had been wrapped (he had been presumed dead by the Alameda and Clark county coroners alike). In Las Vegas, Lewism is well-received by the power brokers, as the comped suites and entertainment are merely panem et circenses for the underlying triumph of cold probability...which of course is in accordance with Lewist teachings. What the A's have been doing in the past decade is perhaps employing some sort of card counting scheme--but the league has been increasing the number of cards in the shoe and refining automatic shuffling mechanisms for some time now. Now the MIT blackjack team of the MLB is merely another basic strategy player betting $25 a hand with the same odds as anyone else. The Yankees and Red Sox, however, have found a table with a smaller minimum bet (counterintuitive, I know), and their minimized losses will leave them as the only teams to stay afloat. Higher payrolls and lower bets against the house will be the sole determining factors of long-term success, as short-lived, innovative schemes will eventually either be employed by all or dry up altogether--it's a dry heat in the Nevada desert. Lewism knows this phenomenon will eventually happen.
As I have not yet actually taken the road to Fremont, this is still a "Post."
To reach here
gliding into old age
the decades gone
without ever meeting one person
truly evil
without ever meeting one person
truly exceptional
without ever meeting one person
truly good
gliding into old age
the decades gone
the mornings are the worst.
by Cutthemullet on Feb 18, 2008 4:45 AM PST up reply actions
For those of us who lurk more than post,
and often worry that our post is a waste of time, could we have a button that says "Post?"
The Moneyball chapter is quickly ending
this offseason.
With Swisher traded, Brown retiring, and Blanton very likely to be on the way out, much of the focus of Moneyball is no longer a part of the organization.
I think the only player other than Blanton from that first-round 7 is Ben Fritz, and he's absolutely a bust.
by thejd44 on Feb 15, 2008 6:13 PM PST reply actions
Fritz is out too
He was picked in the minor league rule-5 draft. Obenchain and McCurdy are out of baseball. Brown now is, as well. Teahen and Swisher have been traded, and Blanton may soon be.
Sic transit...
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
Harden qualifies as Fritz
First name Onda.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
I stand corrected.
I just assumed that Fritz was still with the organization. Why on earth would anybody want him?
So Blanton's the only one left. I'm not sure how I feel about that. I guess it's all kind of irrelevant, aside from the fact that almost half of them are out of baseball. That's the real bad sign.
by thejd44 on Feb 16, 2008 8:42 PM PST up reply actions
Shrug
Most college players from that draft will either be in the bigs or out of baseball by now. A few, like Fritz, will still be kicking around the minors.
The A's got three big-leaguers out of those seven picks, which is actually doing rather well.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
Ugh, shoot me in the head!
I'm tired of people all talking about Jeremy Brown as some rarely known fat guy at some college in the south that could kinda hit well.
This is the part of Moneyball (one of my favorite books) that really irks me: the fact that Michael Lewis downplayed Brown as some unknown.
JEREMY BROWN WON THE JOHNNY BENCH AWARD!
Obviously a lot of people heard of him, a lot of people liked him, and a lot of people knew he could play baseball really well.
I'm so tired of hearing the underdog story of Jeremy Brown. He wasn't an underdog; he won the Heismann Trophy of catchers.
Juan Pierre: 44 Million Dollars, Juan Pierre's 3.2 WARP3: Priceless
by Travis Buck Nuckin on Feb 15, 2008 11:38 PM PST reply actions
He was a good college player.
But he wasn't considered much of a pro prospect. Were it not for DePo's computer, he would have fallen until at least the 5th round and probably further.
"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback
Um
JJ Redick won the John Wooden award.
So did Ed O'Bannon.
Troy Smith won the Heisman, and I don't even know which NFL team he's the third-string backup on.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
ravens
President of the Joey Devine fan club as of 1/15/08. Accepting applications for other positions. "He has no equivalent." -Paul DePodesta on Jeremy Brown
The Nets took O'Bannon ninth overall in the '95 Draft
I was almost positive he went in the top ten; I looked it up to make sure. Yeah, he was a bust in the NBA, but the fact that he was thought of as a top-tier pro prospect (if I remember his draft position correctly) muddles your point...well, assuming your point is about college accomplishments not necessarily translating to perception of potential as a professional athlete. If your point is actually to look back and say, well, this accomplished collegiate athlete didn't do anything in the pros, well, that's not much of a point. That's hindsight. The expectations were there for O'Bannon; thus, he certainly wasn't considered an underdog entering the NBA, unlike Redick, whom most people knew would be overmatched by the pro game, and Smith, who wishes he could be like Charlie Ward and go play in the NBA on the heels of winning the Heisman Trophy. Some athlete that guy was, and he's kind of been forgotten at this point.
Gino Torretta and Ty Detmer...
To reach here
gliding into old age
the decades gone
without ever meeting one person
truly evil
without ever meeting one person
truly exceptional
without ever meeting one person
truly good
gliding into old age
the decades gone
the mornings are the worst.
by Cutthemullet on Feb 18, 2008 3:03 AM PST up reply actions
...
...yes, I did remember his draft position correctly...
To reach here
gliding into old age
the decades gone
without ever meeting one person
truly evil
without ever meeting one person
truly exceptional
without ever meeting one person
truly good
gliding into old age
the decades gone
the mornings are the worst.
by Cutthemullet on Feb 18, 2008 3:03 AM PST up reply actions
Tommie Frazier...
being another guy who belongs with Torretta and Detmer as Heisman winners who pro scouts had no interest in whatsoever. At least Detmer did hang around long enough to throw seven INTs in a game a few years ago
To reach here
gliding into old age
the decades gone
without ever meeting one person
truly evil
without ever meeting one person
truly exceptional
without ever meeting one person
truly good
gliding into old age
the decades gone
the mornings are the worst.
by Cutthemullet on Feb 18, 2008 3:06 AM PST up reply actions

























