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I realize that I very well might get a lot of people angry by saying this, but I really wish that the congressional meetings on sports-related issues would just stop. 

 I know, I know.  The Mitchell Report probably would've never been commissioned without the push from our federal government riding Bud Selig like a mechanical bull.  We might all still be keeping our green and gold heads in the sand about Mark McGwire if they didn't drag his butt in there (OK, not really, but I'm sure some A's fans wanted to give McGwire the benefit of the doubt).

 But we've now got Sen. Arlen Specter from Pennsylvania climbing all over the New England Patriots about their tendency to play sex, lies and videotape on opposition teams' practices, games and showers.  Yeah, that last part is made up, but hell, would that really shock you all that much?

 I know that these leagues are so very powerful in our culture.  They do affect our youth greatly.  Sports are still the great escape for a huge percentage of Americans.  Yes, there are other distractions now like American Idol, video games and You Tube.  But kids do still look up to these sports idols.  So yes, it is of grave importance that they get cleaned up and not set an image of acceptable cheating.

 Maybe wanting the media coverage to just die makes me as guilty as the guy who decides to shoot up steroids so he can win more than 300 games or as guilty as the guy who orders the video taping of opponents' signals.  But I guess my problem comes because to me the image of these sports are already seriously hurt.  I honestly used to be willing to give the benefit of the doubt to almost anyone.  But I'm at the point now where it really wouldn't surprise me to hear that anyone in baseball is using roids or HGH.  I also believe, as Bill Parcells and Jimmy Johnson have both publicly stated, that video taping opposition is common practice in the NFL.  These are guys who should know as they've had the experience.  So many former baseball players now talk about all the guys in baseball who juice.

 I know this is all so cynical to say.  And it doesn't necessarily feel like me.  But maybe it's because I want to just enjoy the game in blissful ignorance.  The A's reported to camp yesterday.   I want to look forward to reading stories about how Rich Harden is finally going to give the A's hope and that Carlos Gonzalez is going to be a monster.  I'm so very tired of seeing Roger Clemens and Brian McNamee and Harry Waxman.  

The thing is, so many of us turn to sports to escape our every day lives.  We want to get away from the problems and scrutiny that is pervasive in every other media.  War, terrorism, a sinking economy.  All of those things are everywhere.  I retreat to sports to get away from talking about the serious issues and perhaps that's why I'm so very fatigued on this stuff.  

I just want people to get back to talking about the game.  But apparently that isn't interesting enough for the ESPN properties.   Am I alone in that?  Should we continue to care enough that our government officials hold these leagues accountable because really, who else will?

I've attached a poll so you can give your opinion. 

  

Poll
Are you tired of Congress investigating pro sports?
Yes, they have more pressing issues to worry about.
480 votes
No, who else is going to go against entities like MLB and NFL?
208 votes
I'm ambivalent.
60 votes

748 votes | Poll has closed

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I'm honestly not sure how this isn't a clear CGV violation, Blez

(Not that I haven't been guilty of the same.)

Even if they're clever, they become stupid with repetition. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Feb 14, 2008 9:00 AM PST reply actions  

AN 3.0 has no community guidelines

political discussions, steroid use, insider trading, dumping toxic waste, it's all allowed!

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Feb 14, 2008 9:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Uh-oh

When devo gets in here, the NSFW pix are going up, aren't they?

Even if they're clever, they become stupid with repetition. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Feb 14, 2008 10:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Wait, what did I do?

"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback

by devo on Feb 14, 2008 1:52 PM PST up reply actions  

nothing ... yet

Even if they're clever, they become stupid with repetition. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Feb 14, 2008 2:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Give me a few hours to un-sober up ...

"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback

by devo on Feb 14, 2008 9:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Ditto

Asking what Congress should be doing is an inherently political issue. If you don't like the views of the people in power, having them waste their time in office on trivia is a GOOD thing.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Feb 14, 2008 9:33 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I didn't mean for it to go in

that direction. I wasn't expressing a political view, really. I just honestly think our government has more important things to worry about than our professional leagues.

I apologize in advance for any political stance people took out of this. It's mostly just about me being tired of hearing about Roger Clemens, spygate and all the other stuff.

by Tyler Bleszinski on Feb 14, 2008 11:23 AM PST up reply actions  

but that *is* a political view

Just because it's non-partisan doesn't make it non-political.

Even if they're clever, they become stupid with repetition. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Feb 14, 2008 11:36 AM PST up reply actions  

that may be true

But I still know where Blez is coming from.

Kind of funny because in a way we're (speaking from AN's CG perspective) asking Blez to keep his political views out of baseball, when, in this case, that is precisely what he is asking of politicians to do, to keep their views out of baseball.

Or maybe it's like what he said and he, like me, is tired of hearing about Clemens. Shouldn't he and Barry be hawking memorabilia on the Home Shopping Network by now?

"Oakland has now increased its payroll to the point that it now ranks third in the Bay Area among all McDonald's franchises.”

-Sandy Alderson, former A’s general manager.

by 67MARQUEZ on Feb 14, 2008 12:06 PM PST up reply actions  

I know -- and agree with -- where he's coming from

And I think the bulk of his commentary is unobjectionable.

But the title and the framing of the issue in the first three paragraphs seem to me to be swinging the doors wide open for a political discussion -- one that I think is necessary and relevant to A's fans and sports fans in general, but one that pretty clearly can't fit within the AN Community Guidelines.

Even if they're clever, they become stupid with repetition. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Feb 14, 2008 12:22 PM PST up reply actions  

no argument there

and I am pretty sure AN can do without any politiical discussions for a while.

"Oakland has now increased its payroll to the point that it now ranks third in the Bay Area among all McDonald's franchises.”

-Sandy Alderson, former A’s general manager.

by 67MARQUEZ on Feb 14, 2008 12:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Apparently the hearing went on

partisan lines with the Ds on Mac's side, and the R's on Clemens's side, which strikes me as very strange. Maybe they just feel like they have to disagree?

The A's colors are green and gold.

by mikeA on Feb 14, 2008 12:27 PM PST up reply actions  

It's a post that contains some political stuff

but that political stuff pertains to our sport. That wouldn't be a CGV, Monkeyman.
As for being sick of it all ...I am and yet...we need some reforms in our sport in regards to PEDS and MLB was not doing a good job of policing themselves. I don't like this either but seeing MLB pressured into better testing procedures and penalties is worth some of the intrusion IMO.

by IM4Oakgal on Feb 14, 2008 8:42 PM PST up reply actions  

tired of seeing Harry Waxman

harry waxman: cinematographer, the wicker man
henry waxman: congressman no one could get tired of seeing

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Feb 14, 2008 9:20 AM PST reply actions  

I've honestly never seen a man

who looked more like a pig. Seriously. The snub, upturned snout, near-bald head, big ears... the guy should be nicknamed "Pork Chop."

And I say this as a registered Democrat.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Feb 14, 2008 9:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Great shot of Congressman Nostrilitis

"Evidently, a large number of people said, 'We really need more vermin at the ballpark, Artie.'" - Nick, 10/7/07

by doctorK on Feb 14, 2008 9:48 AM PST up reply actions  

every shot of him displays his nostrils!

ugliest guy there.

A's all the way in 08 . . . oh never mind!

by micdog2001 on Feb 14, 2008 11:05 AM PST up reply actions  

If you look closely

or even from afar, you can see his brain!

by somebodyelse on Feb 14, 2008 6:39 PM PST up reply actions  

schnoz

I don't understand why he wouldn't get that fixed. He could always use the standard deviated septum excuse.

"Didja ever look at a dollar bill, man? There's some spooky shit goin' on there. And it's green too." -Slater

by OrlandoAsFan on Feb 14, 2008 8:08 PM PST up reply actions  

about those tapes

don't ya just love that arlen spector is working harder over tapes the patriots probably illegally used that were destroyed by the nfl than he is over tapes the cia destroyed of detainees being interrogated.
(shaking my head)
btw, on steroid stuff, i think rocker's comments are pretty damning. of course, everyone's focusing on how nutty john rocker is and is losing the point of his statements - that selig and MLB ownership deserve a lot of blame for the whole steroid era.

"welcome to ME, motherf*^*er!" - tim hudson

by guy incognito on Feb 14, 2008 9:28 AM PST reply actions  

The funny part is

there's no reason to NOT destroy those tapes. Everybody knows what's on it, the Patriots were caught and punished (some don't like the severity of the punishment, but something was done), and now that part of the story is over. What does Spector want? Say Goodell said "Ok, we're going to put the entire tape on ESPN so the world can see it." Would us seeing the end zone shot of the Jets sideline really change anybody's opinion of the situation? Would it make the Patriots look worse?

The story - the part about the Patriots taping the Jets sideline in week 1 - is over. Spector is just trying to get his ugly mug on TV. Gooddell destroyed the tape because there was nothing left to do with them. This isn't the judicial system. Evidence of wrongdoing doesn't have to be preserved for eternity.

by thejd44 on Feb 14, 2008 9:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Rocker

A basic law of life is reinforced again: Cutting a bum like rocker any slack will only come back to haunt the cutter - hoping someone like that idiot will learn his lesson, shut up, and go away - wow! Not gonna happen! The point the rocker kerfluffle really raises is that the proprietors & denizens of every mlb clubhouse outside of ny and the bay area have got to be praying that this train doesn't make any more stops. I spent the peak steroid years in atlanta and i can quickly think of two players who came back for spring training looking like they had bicep implants - i'm sure that was a common experience throughout organized sports in the pre-testing era.

by Hot Cup Joe on Feb 14, 2008 5:20 PM PST up reply actions  

agree, blez

I was always the one to turn from the daily news to sports for some relief. Now it's equally depressing. Maybe it was better before we knew the personal lives of our athletes. Enough already.

Naive way of thinking perhaps.

"Oakland has now increased its payroll to the point that it now ranks third in the Bay Area among all McDonald's franchises.”

-Sandy Alderson, former A’s general manager.

by 67MARQUEZ on Feb 14, 2008 9:31 AM PST reply actions  

Congress

As much as I love sports for the reasons you gave, I still believe that Congress is doing what it needs to.

Granted there are many profitable reasons they are appearing on these issues it still comes down to a lack of oversight on professional sports.

I don't trust the Players Union one bit and wouldn't consider the oweners to be too concerned either about steriods. The public's only source of recourse to fight back against things like tainted records *cough* Bonds *cough* is through Congressional hearings and oversight.

So they are acting on behalf of the people and fans that care about this issue.

In a final point there is a social issue of student athletes using steriods to get an edge and in the end ruining their lives and health. These congressional hearings are a method by which kids will see that their favorite players (who used roids) can be flushed out and reprimanded in a very public manner.

I'm all for getting back to the green grass of the colesium but lets understand that there is an epidemic that needs to be fixed before we, as fans, can feel free to enjoy the game and all it's players.

It's just more exciting with Billy Beane running the team.

by ru155 on Feb 14, 2008 9:31 AM PST reply actions  

They shouldn't forget the Owners

I agree with you. But my problem is Congress focusing on the players in these hearing while ignoring the Owners, Selig and the players union who all benefited financially much more than the players and will not have to suffer all the health consequences. They are the ones who created the culture of "cheating" while ignoring health consequences to build winning teams that have influenced our youth. The players are the victums here.

Congress is the only place to do this necessary work. But they are as guilty as the others if they stop at the player level.

Leave the players alone if that is as far as they intend to go. Some kids would do anything to be a "Rocket". That will not change until the "Rockets" are not allowed to play anymore. The owners and the union is the only place to send that message.

Thomas Walker

by Thomas Walker on Feb 14, 2008 9:47 AM PST up reply actions  

You're right. Let's ban somewhere between 45% and 85% of major leaguers.

That'll do wonders for MLB.

Even if they're clever, they become stupid with repetition. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Feb 14, 2008 10:06 AM PST up reply actions  

I do not understand.

I want to players to get immunity. I want the investigation to focus on the owners (and the union leadership). I suspect the owners with the biggest blindfolds on were the most sucessful financially. They should not get a free ride in this investigation.

Thomas Walker

by Thomas Walker on Feb 14, 2008 1:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Think of it this way

The Rockets are "not allowed to play anymore" at some point every year. About the first week of May, in fact.

[rimshot]

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Feb 14, 2008 2:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Thanks

I understand now. I meant to say that I expect that with complete testing only continuing "Rockets" would not be able to play and that would disuade younger players from making the same decision the "Rockets" apparently had to.

We cannot fix the past. But the future should be fixed now even if it means a number of players stop playing until they get clean.

Your right I have not considered the overall impact on the financial viability of the leagues. I just was happy the owners would finally have to pay a price.

Thomas Walker

by Thomas Walker on Feb 14, 2008 6:25 PM PST up reply actions  

OK. Gotcha.

I should have realized that my interpretation of that didn't really fit with the rest of your argument.

Even if they're clever, they become stupid with repetition. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Feb 14, 2008 10:55 PM PST up reply actions  

You make it sound

as if the players were forced into taking steroids and other drugs. They took it because they would benefit in lucrative contracts, if anyone was to blame it was them and the Union who clearly stated that no drug testing would be allowed or they would strike, it was a deal breaker in the '95 agreement. Since every strike was blamed on the owners, the owners were helpless to challenge on the issue so in that case some fault rests with them. On the other hand in every previous strike, fans and sportswriters had castigated the "rich, bloated, slave owners, and held the players blameless. Union guys just trying to make a decent living and get respect. You are accurate in that the players will ultimately suffer significant health issues, but they knew that when they started getting shots.

by Laoren on Feb 14, 2008 10:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Of course they made wrong choices

But if the Owners allow the competive environment, and pay the highest contracts, to players who sought "help" to get stronger and recover faster and be able to play longer in a career who can blame these guys. It is not like they can say no and then go become doctors. This is all these guys have. This is their life. If the "rules" say this is what you have to do to become successful at your profession (and most of your competition are doing it--or at least a significant percentage) what choice do you really have.

The message finally came to me when talking to players (primarily football) who have long since retired. They almost unanimously have told me they would have done it to extend their careers if it was available and allowed.

The union was a big part of the problem. But the owners encouraged and allowed the union to take a "hard" position on testing in my opinion. And the contracts were only given by owners. They could have stopped it right there if they wanted to.

Do you really believe they did not know?

Thomas Walker

by Thomas Walker on Feb 14, 2008 1:25 PM PST up reply actions  

The idea that they "have better things to do"

only comes from people who don't understand how the government works.

Quite simply, they DON'T have better things to do. Subcommittees like this one exist all over the place and they deal with minor issues. Do people really think that the 435 voting members of the House should sit in one giant room together and only debate the important issues like the war in Iraq, health care, and education? They do sometimes get together in this fashion, but without dividing into the committees and subcommittees only the biggest issues would ever get attention.

The US Government has bent over backwards for baseball for a very long time. I have no problem with a handful of Congressmen trying to figure out if they're being taken advantage of. But, really, can somebody kick that dope Dan Burton out of office? He embarassed himself yesterday. I'm sure he's one of the idiots to asked Clemens to sign a ball for him.

by thejd44 on Feb 14, 2008 9:32 AM PST reply actions  

this is utter bullshit

Enlighten us, please, on how government "works."

Even if they're clever, they become stupid with repetition. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Feb 14, 2008 1:23 PM PST up reply actions  

If you think they're already doing everything they can ...

for Iraq, health care and education ... lets throw the economy, immigration and torture in there too ...

perhaps they could spend some time on mental health care, substance abuse treatment, the foster care system, the decimation of jobs in rural and semi-rural America, water rights and conservation in the south west, the over breeding of domesticated animals, the wastefulness that is the penny, and a thousand other things that are much more germane to what we empower and pay Congress to do.

If you understand how Congress works, you'd know that one of the many serious problems facing it is the fact that its membership is, if not actually overworked, spread far too thin. Members consistently are asked to vote on bills they haven't had time to read, attend overlapping committee meetings and be in their districts at least three days a week.

"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback

by devo on Feb 14, 2008 2:04 PM PST up reply actions  

"The wastefulness that is the penny"

Hey, without four of them, I'd be forced to use a nickel every time I wanted a freakin' paper.

Thanks for continuing your list of greatest players. I was wondering if it had been sucked into oblivion. And, yes, I'm waiting with baited (sp?) breath to find out who player #21 was.

It's Rhodes Scholar Night at the Coliseum tonight.

by Scottbass on Feb 14, 2008 2:52 PM PST up reply actions  

over breeding of domesticated animals

So, you're saying you want Congress to go after Nico?

Even if they're clever, they become stupid with repetition. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Feb 14, 2008 2:53 PM PST up reply actions  

That's "of," not "with."

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Feb 14, 2008 2:56 PM PST up reply actions  

People who claim to know

"how government works" such as yourself have usually studied or are studying Political Science 101. Presidents and house members interpret the constitution as they wish and act accordingly. I agree with you on some points, but frivolity is frivolity. What was accomplished on Feb 13th? Nothing. A waste of time and money. A waste of their time and OUR money.

Sickening.

by somebodyelse on Feb 14, 2008 7:48 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm definitely sick of it

but if MLB would make a real effort to keep its own house, none of it would be necessary. They've consistently demonstrated that their goal is not to address the issue, but to create the impression that they're addressing the issue--which is a very significant difference.

So it goes.

by jeepers on Feb 14, 2008 9:32 AM PST reply actions  

i agree with jeepers on this one

The government should not have to interfere with sports related issues. MLB needs to sack up and learn to police themselves effectively.

by OrlandoAsFan on Feb 14, 2008 9:44 AM PST reply actions  

and when they have repeatedly shown

that they won't do so?

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Feb 14, 2008 9:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Then take away the anti-trust exemption

Even the threat of this will get their attention and (possibly) force changes. And if MLB does not respond, and Congress removes the exemption, then we'll get to see the San Jose Athletics of San Jose.

"Evidently, a large number of people said, 'We really need more vermin at the ballpark, Artie.'" - Nick, 10/7/07

by doctorK on Feb 14, 2008 9:53 AM PST up reply actions  

What's Congress's *real* public-good interest in doing so?

When Clemens starts throwing shattered bats at innocent bystanders (and isn't punished), that's when Congress needs to act.

Otherwise, who the fuck cares what a bunch of millionaires do to their own bodies?

As for the illegal procuring of the PEDs, there are laws on the books about that. Howzabout they try simply enforcing those? How will more laws (or, more likely, simply MORE INDIGNATION and facetime on C-SPAN) address the situation? Aside from, y'knoiw, making us all MORE INDIGNANT?

Even if they're clever, they become stupid with repetition. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Feb 14, 2008 10:04 AM PST up reply actions  

This is like your Peyton Manning comment, Blez

Reading your complaint, it sounds like you don't actually object to the substance of what Congress is doing, you're just tired of it dominating all your news. If the hearings were going on but it were all private with no information released to the press or public, would you still care?

I don't have a problem with whatever Congress is doing because I don't see it. I enjoy sports by following the games when they're playing, and going to sites like this one where they actually talk about sports. If I turn on ESPN and they're talking about something else, I say "phlbthlth" and change the channel.

I wonder if I'm more like a normal fan than you are, Blez. Your job puts you in a position where you have to listen to whatever the media puts out. Most of us don't.

formerly known as mdl

by iglew on Feb 14, 2008 10:06 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Yeah

that's a good point. I have my TV tuned to ESPNEWS all day so that's all I've seen which is, what feels like, a year or more.

So perhaps I'm not the typical fan in giving my feelings on this. I've just got mega fatigue from it.

by Tyler Bleszinski on Feb 14, 2008 11:21 AM PST up reply actions  

it's a good point

but I still do watch ESPN and click on their site from time to time and Clemens' mug dominates both. It's tiring.

"Oakland has now increased its payroll to the point that it now ranks third in the Bay Area among all McDonald's franchises.”

-Sandy Alderson, former A’s general manager.

by 67MARQUEZ on Feb 14, 2008 12:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Right, but

your objection isn't the Congressional hearings; your objection is seeing too much Roger Clemens.

formerly known as mdl

by iglew on Feb 14, 2008 3:34 PM PST up reply actions  

my objection

is seeing too much clemens in a non-baseball setting

"Oakland has now increased its payroll to the point that it now ranks third in the Bay Area among all McDonald's franchises.”

-Sandy Alderson, former A’s general manager.

by 67MARQUEZ on Feb 14, 2008 5:30 PM PST up reply actions  

+1

You just hit it out of the park.

Holy Toledo!

It's Rhodes Scholar Night at the Coliseum tonight.

by Scottbass on Feb 14, 2008 3:51 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm tired of Steriods talk

I'm glad it is being "cleaned up" but I would rather be blissfully ignorant about everything.

I think congress/mlb should focus on testing, prevention, and campaigning to protect young athletes fro PEDs.

A's all the way in 08 . . . oh never mind!

by micdog2001 on Feb 14, 2008 11:10 AM PST reply actions  

Agree with Blez

It's showboating, pure and simple. And yes, there are far more important things for the folks in Congress to be doing --- particularly the Democrats, who could be investigating seven years of gross malfeasance and impeachable offenses on the part of the current Administration, in my opinion. For Republican Senators, who'd rather the Bush Administration just disappeared into the woodwork, focusing on athletes in a bipartisan manner makes perfect sense.

As a Democrat, I'm once again disgusted by how these cowards in the Democratic Party refuse to examine what's really going on in favor of essentially a Republican agenda of avoidance.

by richwol1 on Feb 14, 2008 12:23 PM PST reply actions  

This is exactly the point I was making above

It's impossible to examine the behavior of Congress without taking some kind of stand on their political goals.

Richwol's comment is clearly a CGV by the letter of the law. Obviously, I don't think he should be reprimanded for it, because it's a natural response to the thread topic.

If we can declare this thread a "free speech zone" or something, a temporary waiver on political CGVs for this thread, that would be one thing. But right now I feel like half the people reading this will end up leaving their responses sitting on their keyboards. And I would include myself in that half.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Feb 14, 2008 12:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah..

That's pretty much what I said in a post below. As for getting reprimanded for making a political comment in a political thread --- well, at this point in my life, I'll take my chances. Obviously it sucks that someone like PaulThomas, whom I respect and who has an entirely diffrerent perspective than mine, does not feel comfortable with setting out his own opinions here.

by richwol1 on Feb 14, 2008 1:16 PM PST up reply actions  

In this particular case

I think my entirely different perspective would lead to more or less the same conclusion as yours. I'm very frustrated that "real" issues take years to get dealt with while apparently something like the Mitchell report (and the attendant publicity) can turn Congress into the latter-day Minutemen.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Feb 14, 2008 1:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Here is my opinion:

this whole thing is bs. So I agree with Blez.

The A's colors are green and gold.

by mikeA on Feb 14, 2008 12:32 PM PST reply actions  

Political Issue

Blez, this is a political issue. I understand your need to vent, but once you get beyond the simple fact of Roger Clemens or Mark McGwire testifying before a congressional committee, then you have to look at the rationales behind said testimony --- and that's often all political.

Of course, it's also the only way a minor congressman from Podunk, of whatever party, to make it on the national Evening News.

by richwol1 on Feb 14, 2008 12:36 PM PST reply actions  

I honestly didn't mean it

as a political issue. I probably could've framed it better and complained more about the media coverage than anything. But then again, the media coverage probably wouldn't be so extremely if political folks weren't grandstanding around it.

by Tyler Bleszinski on Feb 14, 2008 1:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Two reactions

1. This is enormous news: two guys sitting side by side, offering totally incompatible versions of the truth. One guy's a superstar, one of the best pitchers ever. The other's being compelled to tell the truth by the feds to avoid prosecution. This confrontation is the biggest sporto-juris-politic story since OJ, and you can't blame the media for covering it nor the people for following it.

2. Congressional hearings on active criminal matters are idiotic. No just sports, all such matters. Congress endangers prosecutions and put witnesses in horrible no-win situations...either take the Fifth and have the world assume you're guilty, or go ahead and convict yourself with your own words, or perjure yourself. Know your rights...all three of em! There's a reason why prosecutors don't publicly depose witnesses on live TV...other than grabbing themselves some "I'm tough on steroids" face-time, such Congressional spectacles rarely help solve a problem, and often exacerbate it.

There is an A in Whimsy.

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Feb 14, 2008 1:38 PM PST reply actions  

Agreed on both counts. Big news, bigger circle-jerk.

The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on Feb 14, 2008 4:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Bingo!

My, you are quite the cynic! I think you've broken this down as succinctly as possible. The whole issued distilled to its essence in two paragraphs. Very nice.

"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on Feb 15, 2008 2:13 AM PST up reply actions  

If you don't like it, don't follow it.

There is an "off" button on your tv. You choose to watch.

I could really care less. I do feel sorta bad for the kids that did roids because they felt they had no choice. But all the talk about the hallowed records that have fallen as a result of twenty years of muscle-bound jocks? What a crock of shit. What about greenies? I mean, we're talking essentially about speed being an acceptable part of baseball for who-knows-how-long.

Gee whiz, I thought they all drank milk.

And seriously, politicians calling out athletes for lying? Talk about the pot and the fucking kettle.

It's Rhodes Scholar Night at the Coliseum tonight.

by Scottbass on Feb 14, 2008 3:15 PM PST reply actions  

Speed is right

Ever since I found out about the fishbowls of speed in the locker rooms, all the hoopla about steroids has seemed almost like an exercise in avoidance. Don't look there at the drugs the owners provided, look there at the drugs the players had to buy themselves. But then, the gov't's whole drug policy is a giant exercise in hypocrisy. They're happy to give airforce pilots speed to keep them alert.

As for too much Clemens or govt oversight...I've read about 2 articles in the paper about the whole shebang and ignored the rest. I don't watch TV except for the games themselves. And I try - I try - to filter out all the Paris Hilton and Britney crapola as well. The media are largely panderers. If they really focused on what was important, people would either get too disturbed or turn them off entirely.

by SF4As on Feb 15, 2008 10:04 AM PST up reply actions  

I Kinda Wish

they would just establish rules of what you can do and can't do from here on out...

I also find it funny that they can have on ESPN all this news about steroids and pointing fingers... then have "after Sports Center" World's strongest man competition re-runs... like those guys are clean.

by buddahead9 on Feb 14, 2008 4:41 PM PST reply actions  

Sports as a microcosm

I've often felt that sports have much more to offer than just a distraction. Not that there's anything wrong with viewing them as such, but to deny the importance or significance of what can be learned about society by watching the business of sports and all that entails is to bury one's head in the sand.

Again, I empathize with the feeling of just enjoying sports purely for what they are. At the same time, there is a media revolution in all areas of society, from many more angles than we have even considered. We're being forced to look at many things with much tighter scrutiny than we used to, for better or worse. It is uncomfortable at times, but such is change.

The clean up ain't pretty nor will it be perfect (with financial and fame stakes as high as they are, there will always be those willing to risk cheating) , but when the players start jerking with the integrity of an entity it has to be dealt with with the highest level of scrutiny lest we lose the very basics of what we watch it for: fair competition and the possibility that greatness can happen at any moment. Otherwise it's a slippery slope toward mainstream sports equaling WWE.

by princemilo on Feb 14, 2008 6:16 PM PST reply actions  

I totally agree

what a waste of time..... C'mon lets get real we everybody knew steroids are prevelant in all professional sports. Shawn Merriman was suspended for steroids last year and was suspended served his punishment and came back to have a great year. But no one really even brings that up anymore but when the government gets involved and idiots have there own agendas it gets blown out of proportion. Quite frankly its a baseball problem but politicians can see that they can get there name in the papers so they think they have to stick there nose where it doesnt belong. We are at war with another nation but some of our government officials are busy worried about steroid use in the entertainment industry.... something is wrong with this picture.

by slash03434 on Feb 15, 2008 6:09 AM PST reply actions  

OT, but...

Am I the only one who wishes the sigs and IDs at the bottom of posts were the same size as the posts? On my monitor they are so small as to approach unreadable. Same with the avatars, though I approve of moving the avatars to the right side of posts.

To me, easily identifying a poster is equally as important as what they say.

by SF4As on Feb 15, 2008 8:51 AM PST reply actions  

another good perspective on Clemens and Congress

Here.

One thing that I think has been overlooked -- both by Josh Green in this article, and here -- is that Clemens' lousy performance under pressure really does reflect his long history of snapping/choking/quitting under pressure (viz., getting himself kicked out of the playoff start vs. Stew, trying out for the Olympic javelin squad vs. the Mets).

His lawyers did him a grave disservice by allowing/encouraging/requesting his session before the subcommittee, especially because they seem to have overlooked Clemens propensity to perform poorly in such situations.

Even if they're clever, they become stupid with repetition. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Feb 15, 2008 9:31 AM PST reply actions  

Anyone in the Big Leagues

...is performing under more pressure than most folks on any given day. The idea of a relationship between Clemens folding in front of a congressional committee vs. giving up an extra couple of base hits in a World Series is ridiculous.

by richwol1 on Feb 15, 2008 10:07 AM PST up reply actions  

WTF are you talking about?

1. I'm not talking about "giving up an extra couple of base hits in a World Series"; I'm talking about him losing his shit entirely such that he takes himself out of a position to even perform at all

2. Yes, certainly, Dan Johnson on any given day between April and October is facing more pressure "than most folks on any given day." But you seem to think that most folks on any given day testify before an extremely hostile and media-hungry Congressional subcommittee. I mean, I know I do, and I recall your cool-as-ice performance on C-SPAN quite well, but I'd guess that a smidge more than 50% of AN's readership has not testified in front of Congress.

Even if they're clever, they become stupid with repetition. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Feb 15, 2008 10:18 AM PST up reply actions  

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